Thanks for watching this episode. I do want to point out problems with my delivery in this video so I decided to make a summary and some clarification. 1. What Hoederer is not good at and good at - Hoederer is NOT good at dealing with mobs, just like how you wouldn't want Fortress to lanehold by blocking the enemies. S1 and S2 attempt to give him that ability but they are not optimal. I tried to convey this in the video but I realize it ended up being somewhat an oversell of his weaknesses without my proper explanation. - Hoederer SHOULD BE used for dueling elites and bosses, which I admit I didn't put up enough footage for. For stun-lockable enemies go S2, and most of the time just go S3. 2. Synergy with Hoederer - The point I was trying to make was: There is no operator like Suzuran to Qiubai that can give FULL COVERAGE stun/bind to Hoederer. The closest to that IS Aak with module LV3. Though there are ones that should be mentioned so I'm gonna go over them here and their pros and cons. - Mumu S3: (+)Stable bind for 15s; (-)Clones can switch target and not always bind the same enemy, as well as 35s downtime - Ethan S2: (+)Relatively reliable bind rate for 30s, can bind multiple targets; (-)If you use him purely to support Hoederer, you loses out a big part of his attack range; If you don't, Hoederer may not be able to reach enemies bound beyond his range - Dorothy S2: (+)Flexible with timing and relatively high coverage; (-)If this target in front of Hoederer doesn't die long term, she won't be able to supplement bind due to trap placement restriction - Qiubai S3: (+)Damage supplement while providing bind with a good chance; (-)If mostly for supporting Hoederer, her bind and coverage is actually worse than Ethan S2 Sorry for the problems in delivery in this video. I did take a bit of a rush making this video, and I will look to improve in future content.

When U-official in squad: Hoerder gains 500% attack bonus and starts sayin *Glory for the queen*

Many don't know this but a Hoederer is anyone who herds, breeds, or otherwise domesticates Hodors. It used to make me sad, thinking about all those unwanted Hodors wandering around all by themselves, but kind hearted Hoederers exist to give these lost souls at least a new daddy.

One important thing about his giant HP pool is that it synergizes very well with healing based on MAX HP, notably Warfarin's S1, it stabilizes him very fast, helps in scenarios where the elite mobs he's supposed to deal with are surrounded by trash mobs, kinda like in ch13, or just making him an actual laneholder. ...Still not worth the hassle, having the meta game in mind.

It's convenient that Vendela, the new medic in the same banner, focuses on working with high HP operators which Hoederer just so has. Not really worth it but just something I find amusing

good overview but you forgot to mention the fact that he's really handsome in his strengths category

Another great analysis video, don't know anyone else who is putting this kind of in depth knowledge out there

Time to watch this and be reminded how poor my decisions are.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK BRO !!! ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉

I’ve seen him stunlock mudrock and big bob with s2, which means he would trivialize that cc map with both of them and golems if he existed back then, which is pretty funny.

The only thing bigger than his HP is his massive, humongous, gigantic... Sword.

I know this won’t matter for most people but Quercus S2 seems perfect for this guy’s skill cycling

Your modules guides have been really useful to me, been planning all year to get this free sanity from drops and will updrade to L3 all 6* ops that have 2+ modules. Thanks to you sir 😊

You are easily my favourite AK CC for detailed analysis of the content. I look forward to your content every time there is a new event/patch release!

I love your pull priority and ratings timeline graphic! Appreciate your guides!

Always appreciate the these analyses, please keep it up!

Another greatly done episode Dragon, thank you for all the effort you put in explaining everything about the ops

This video has such high production quality, from the analysis to the motion graphics amd editing. Love your work as usual!

love your content and clean presentation. thanks bro

Thank you for your hard work Mr GJY

I hope you continue making content for Arknights. Your analyses are really helpful! ❤

Great analysis as always

This is the first entry of this series who is about a character I'm not planning to pull for, but I still watched because you make a lovely job explaining what they can offer and what they are weak against. Thank you a ton.

As for current drawback situation. He might be got ASPD module such as "increasing ASPD during block 10-20 point" and improve his sanctuary effect over 30% at stage 3. Moreover, W need father, don't skip him.

Thx à lot for this new operator review

I'm just gonna say it right now...if there was ever a support unit that increased damage based on an ally's max HP, Hoederer would be one of the best units with them. He is basically HSR's Blade, but in Arknights.

I wonder a showcase of him using max S1 with ch'en and stainless sp device it would be fun

they need to give eben 3 mod to make him good. i will be waiting for hoederer

I got Hoederer for free on an is4 run yesterday, promoted him and only deployed him twice during the whole run, once during mudrock golem stage floor 5 and another in Instinct Contamination, man just gets decimated by running casters and running champions whenever I can't texas+eyja to save his ass. A shame since he has such a cool E2 art too.

I would say you cooked, but you never seem to stop cooking to begin witg🔥🔥

It's a small thing, but you can time the on and off of his S2M3 to get extra damage that takes advantage of his extra damage on stun that I believe makes it just barely higher dps than S1M3.

Thanks for the video! Saving this for future if I get him off rate later.

You mention qiubai and in the same breath then says he has no support to do bind while she does bind reliably as a part of her s1. Qiubai even has a talent that gives her a 20% chance to bind on every hit(its not reliable without using her s3 but still applies it) Hoederer increase on range from his s3 matches her range to help attacking targets at her max range

What modules would you consider giving Hoederer (or crushers overall)? My first idea was Sanctuary as a base effect, but with Hoederer’s base talent I guess DR overall like Guardian modules could work better. Not really sure how to improve his first talent beyond just more damage, but the second one would be nice with a Healing Received increase as well. He’s got pretty plain talents yet a lot of issues so it’s hard to think about what would be a great fix. Shame he took 158 pulls to come home though… my pull plans are in shambles…

You are the goat, mister D!

thank you so much for the video

Thanks!

The explanation of his skills is definitely appreciated as i was going to pull him anyways (coping for him since DM), thanks for the breakdown! I already have most meta ops to clear the game so I’m having a lot of fun exploiting the odd parts of the kits like making him hit Stainless’ s3 turrets to have them fire for the full s3 duration. Is it optimal? lol He’s definitely not a character for newer players or people who are interested in pushing endgame like cc high risk or high ascs in IS but he’s definitely satisfying to use as big stick hits hard

Thanks for the vid, Dragon! Know he's not the greatest, but I'd love to pull for Hoederer. Cool character and great art... but dang, global has the Arturia banner in two weeks. Gotta save for that instead 💀

My man you are single handedly carrying ak youtube content for me. Keep it up 👍

Thank you sensei

This might sound really silly, but as a casual endgame player I actually feel like healing him will be a fun minigame. I wasn't going to pull for him, but I got him in 20 pulls looking for Vendela so I guess I'll play around

poor guts even struggles in arknights

I know this is trying to look at Hoederer in a vacuum, but based on my testing throughout all chap 13 and anhelation stages, simply paring him with Ines behind him and a Ptilopsis is an insanely strong combo (obv it would be for most guards as well). Ines with s2 m3 pairs very well to keeping his lane holding abilities up to snuff. Plus the biggest reason is big sword go boom and hes cool.

Technically penance has more hp because of her barrier

I still... Don't regret pulling for him, if he's still open for synergies then I wanna play him more with Stainless, and wanqing who's soon to come, my only hope is to get enough pulls for shu

Since the six star I pulled was not Hoederer, I will definitely wait until he gets a good module since it's always all about the numbers (also🕯manifesting🕯Lord modules for CN anniversary).

You Said the true damage dot is fixed at 200, does that include having the crown in IS mode or would that effect boost it? (Not that it would really be relevant anyway just curious)

i have mylnar and gavial the invincible (both are maxed E2). i may think hoederer is good, so i level him up to E1 now, should i continue or stop there?

off topic but I feel like ascalon should have a higher advanced impact rating. She would enable some insane but extremely rng clears with her accuracy debuff lol not to mention her cc is great

I haven't really looked into degen but to be listed as no.1 game changing operators has me now rethinking my pull plans what makes her so game changing as i know very little on her apart from she is has a similar s3 attack range as to irenes and chens

I spent 3 tickets rolling for him and i regret those 3 pulls. That's how good he is.

One question has been bugging me: Why did Crushers get their own 6* relatively quickly, while Arts Protector never got their own 6* to this day?

he seems to have a really decent synergy with perfumer, and definitely ethan's bindlock helps him

Ive always wanted to ask whether the title "hindsight" makes sense? Like doesn't hindsight mean "a look back"? So with the videos looking at new operators ive always thought that it doesnt make much sense. Anyway, solid video as always

I wonder if making a good healer that heals based on HP% (with a cap to account for stuff like Surtr) would make Crushers better as you can then actually effectively use them to tank arts and trie damage as they receive more healing Also, do Crushers really have low DPS? I believe if you ignore skills then Wind Chimes and Quartz have one of the higher DPS against medium defense enemies

Ines and Warfarin seem to be his best friends.

hey i really like the video and appreciate the recommendations, however im kinda noob and i dont know operators by their picture alone (especially unreleased ones), could someone please tell me the names of operators at 15:13 form left to right?

24 pulls 1 blemishine and 2 kafka, this guy just had bad timing after his event is the anniversary and the following operator are either meta or limited

I know I shouldn’t pull for him but I love Sarkaz

Does Sanctuary stack? If yes, Quercus & co. will have found a buddy.

Question how would W word with Hoederer? Because don't her skills stun?

I cam back to the game after 2 months only to get him because of Ines. Will be back for Virtuosa

Hope his Module in the future can save Crusher archetype

since Ash will have rerun and might no return ever. I would advise to consider her if ppl havent gotten her.

Im gonna do Hoederer and Pallas lane combo aside Ines 3:52

Kinda regret for pulling him but i had to complete the gang. Oh well, it's fine, im fine :")

hmmm I wonder why the -100hp/sec penalty on S3. Design wise it feels quite redundant, as redundant as a self-stun from the ulti of a certain saint from a certain 8 years long gacha game (though the devs patched it up a few years back) Hope there's a module that patch away the hp drain or simply change the stun to 100% with the hp drain.

Booogie Woogie!

sigh. yeah he either needs a substantial attack speed buff or SP regen for s1 to be 'useful' its not too bad. and s3 looks like a skill you drop and then activate 10 seconds later not waiting for it to end you pull him and redeploy him elsewhere if needed. he is most certainly not a lane holder.

Saying low dps is a bit misleading, since with the crushers sky high attack and how defense works being a flat reduction, they tend to have pretty comparable or even higher dps than 6* guards of different classes. A good example is blaze, as a centurion guard, who has 825 attack at max level 100% trust no module, and an attack interval of 1.2. Her dps is about 688, while Hoederer's 1656 attack with the same circumstance at a 2.5 attack interval has 662 dps, only about 26 lower than blaze. Against an enemy with around 500 defense, blaze's dps drops to 390, while hoederer stays at 462 A more accurate way of portraying the difference is that since his attack interval is so high but his attack speed so slow, he has a tendency to overkill weaker mobs, wasting a lot of his dps compared to faster attacking operators, meaning he can easily be overwhelmed by more enemies as compared to tankier ones, which is pretty much the opposite of centurions. You showed this well in the video when you displayed his s1 getting overwhelmed by a basic trash mob horde, and when you mentioned this in the hindsight review how easy it is to leak mobs between his attacks. Also, you showed it in the video but i think you should have mentioned that using aak skill 3 on hoederer during his s3 will chunk out like 60% of his hp, or almost one shot him outside of it, so be careful of that Outside of that, I think the video highlights his strengths well and his downsides pretty well, particularly that he's very weak against fast hitting or large amounts of enemies, but very strong against slow attacking and high defense enemies, especially ones that deal arts damage like the big sarkaz chain casters, sword dudes or grudgebearers , as well as how difficult it is to heal him with his 7k+ hp pool.

No ratings for Ash? Is it because she's an old unit? Hope you'd include her in the next video cause a bunch of players doesn't have her

Excellent video that offers an unbiased perspective on a new operator. Thank you.

Disclaimer: This comment is my personal opinion and enjoyment, not advice for beginners or a counter to the video. Dragon's analysis is very good and hits the strengths/weaknesses of Hoederer on the head. You want the most optimal advice? Listen to the video. His S1 is quite strong. 4k+ dph every 3 attacks and heals 1500+ hp on that hit. Using Ch'en battery with it is even more fun. Heh. (Or I dare say the forbidden words, spinach, spaghetti, +sp/s for attack recovery skills) I used it for the entirety of Ch13 with the exception of Sanguinarch where I used his S3. Both skills were still lvl 7 only at the time. I did notice that Hoederer struggles to survive still in some situations with s1l7, but killing enemies was a non-issue tbh. He basically killed anything extremely comfortably since his powerstrike does such absurd damage even without masteries. A little bit of healing support is not a bad idea for sure. That being said, S1M3 is good for increasing heal and reducing the SP cost by 1. Huge HPS and DPS boost. There is no point in stopping at M1 or M2, this is a skill that wants you to go full throttle or leave it at lvl 7.

I really want to always say this for people who might hear "older characters replaced by newer ones". If this is your only gacha and the idea of that pisses you off, just know that it's way worse in a lot of other games and in fact, you can still use old characters very effectively :P.

his s3 is so long, till amiya done being demon lord hoederer skill still has more than half duration.

his second talent really need to do more instead of just giving him small sactuary effect

Waiting-for-buff tier. Unless a healer comes out that focuses on giving +def much more than shining's module y, hoederer is gonna be pretty meh

seeing Aak decimate Hoe with S3 gave me a fright

As time goes on and on I still feel like Ray should be ranked higher, especially with her performance in CCB2. She's like right next to Degen if you're good at micro and timing. Granted, Degen needs close to none of that lol

his skill 3 is so long, till amiya done being demon lord and his skill still half duration.

crushers actually have more dps than most characters especially if you take into account that there's almost no enemies with 0 def

If they add hp lose/sec on s3 ( maybe the sword too big and it hurts his arms ) they should add manually deactivate skill for s3 that would be nice When it comes to this kind of banner (mid-low priority) i just do pulls until i got the firts 6 star around 60 pulls and stop. Thanks for the video

.... well, he's great with Ines and W in the base!

Nice to see Vigil has company in the basement, he was getting lonely. This guy will never see action.

he is so hot

I'll bet HG will fumble the crusher module all over again.

Hoederer is a good operator with massive but(t).

Why are you telling that Crushers have low DPS? It is simply not true. Before any skills or talents: Hoederer 630 DPS Gavial 638 dps Blaze 637 dps NTR Knight 709 dps Skadi 676 dps Considering ASPD (Centurions have the fastest and Crushers have lowest), Crushers have better dps than Centurions and lower than Dreadnoughts. And as enemy DEF rises Crushers would eventually outdps Dreadnoughts too. VS 500 DEF enemies: Hoederer 430, Gavial 221, Blaze 220, NTR Knight 376, Skadi 343. With strongest DPS skill, talents included: Hoederer 2141 DPS (1725 vs Stun immunes) Gavial 3584 dps (but has +100 ASPD, so suffers from DEF a lot) Blaze 1400 dps (Stance) NTR Knight 1702 dps (True damage) Skadi 1929 dps So, only Gavial has significantly better DPS than Hoederer. Everyone else is either similar, or lower DPS. P.S. I forgot to add Trust and module bonuses to ATK and too lazy to redo this, sorry.

Hoederer nerfed himself by using a sword as a weapon. If he sits on them he would've one shotted every thing on sight.

I fell you didn't do good job of actually understanding (or at least explaining) what the unit is intended for and where are its strenghts. It makes no sense commenting on crusher being bad tank for fast physical ASPD. That is like complaining that most tank archetypes do bad damage. The same with DPS - the point of Crushers is to carry physical hits past high defence stats, not to fast-shred trash. Everyone is looking on Warfarin S1 for his healing - certainly warranted. But her S2 makes him do over 3000 dmg in one swing OUTSIDE of skills. And Im not saying, that Hoedered is great unit for general use.

i've had this feeling for a long time. he is Yii successor.

I'm 2:30 minutes into the video and I want to mention something for anyone thinking he has low DPS. This is false, completely and utterly. Hoederer's attack stat is extremely high and the bonus damage gained through his skill 3 amps it up even further. The moment you put him in front of any enemies that actually have defense he will out perform lots of traditional dps units, despite having low attack speed. When you you're dealing 1700 damage in a single hit against a unit with 1000 defense you're still hitting for 700 damage. Your average "dps" unit that has high attack speed and a somewhat good damage stat will either deal little or no damage against these units without excess buffs or debuffs. Hoederer is not a swarm killer, he is made to challenge high priority enemies. So once again, this is not a low DPS unit. If you're interested in a proper analysis and breakdown of Crushers DPS go and check out BloopAK's "An Honest Discussion on Crushers" video.

I'm a bit disappointed by this review. You say multiple times how he is not good against hordes of small enemies and then mostly show him fighting hordes of small enemies. That's like showing Mizuki fight against an army of drones. And then you emphasize how his 0 defense is a huge drawback, which it is. But you never mention how enemies also have defense. When you compare a crusher's DPS against enemies with high defense no centurion or Dreadnought stands a chance in terms of DPS (aside from maybe Nearl Alter) simply because the Attack value is so large. You do show once how he only needs 3 attacks against a shield guard, but don't talk about it at all. You do say he should only be used against Elites and Bosses, which I completely agree with, but you don't go into how enemy defense is the main factor as to why. Crushers are meant to crush high defense enemies and they do that extremely well. They aren't lane holders but you treat them like they were for most of the review. I'm not disappointed by the accuracy of the review but the focus on the character's weakness instead of their strengths making it look like they have almost no strengths at all, which is at best disingenuous.

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Nobody gives a fuck for laneholding.

you should post more videos a day

i'm a simple man, i saw him stun lock 3 golems, i pull :3

i already have his role filled in by gavial alter.. and well, she literally has a talent that makes her easier to heal too so..

True damage for a whole minute is insane