The King of Military Simulation is BACK! (but still needs work)

The King of Military Simulation is BACK! (but still needs work) - Arma Reforger

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@AndroSpud Ай бұрын

"I gave Bohemia a reasonable amount of time to fix things..." Laughs in Dayz Standalone

@blackjacket_ Ай бұрын

Im still so salty on how they handled the development of that 😂 i cant return to that game just because of these fake promises

@Tinylittledansonman Ай бұрын

Arma 3 alpha lol? It was an utter mess. Reforgers on point now though. For a "tech demo" its already better than most full fledged tac shooters on the market. Once you get into it you wont be able to go back to babyish handholding BF clones like Squad or HLL.

@bruhism173 Ай бұрын

@@Tinylittledansonmanthere's still stuff that has me sending bohemia feedback with the title for the feedback popup being "your tweakin bruh"

@mammasgullunge Ай бұрын

@@Tinylittledansonman squad and hll is just as fun as arma reforger. even smoother gameplay tbh

@arconium2571 21 күн бұрын

Tbh a lot of Bohemia games started that way and ended up being great a few years later.

@bilack7007 Ай бұрын

That Cobra quite forgot what kind of cobra it actually was.

@stevemc6010 Ай бұрын

...or is it a Viper 🤔

@OperatorDrewski Ай бұрын

@@stevemc6010 Nah that's a MI-24 hind

@FruitfulFactoid Ай бұрын

Lol@@OperatorDrewski

@aguleoparda2 Ай бұрын

@@stevemc6010 its a viper😉

@nmspy Ай бұрын

@@OperatorDrewskinah that’s a me-262

@itsnotfun3788 Ай бұрын

You see im a simple man, i see AN-94 on the thumbnail, I click

@OperatorDrewski Ай бұрын

A man of sophistication, I see.

@gsgswineflu2842 Ай бұрын

Fav gun to use on Ru, that hyper burst is so good

@OperatorJackYT Ай бұрын

Same broski

@zeroblade117 Ай бұрын

Amen brother! ☝️

@sharkk127 Ай бұрын

Use to use it on bf4, fucking loved the gun

@g0rdonfreeman1 Ай бұрын

the lighting in reforger is insane, it looks like real life sometimes

@User-gd5un Ай бұрын

sun rise and sun set looks really good in this game

@rickfastly2671 Ай бұрын

Where did you get your of from

@user-by6fp4ov3k Ай бұрын

The trees look great when fully rendered. But on a crappy LOD, far away, it looks horrible. And overall, the game still looks plasticy/pastelly sometimes

@ngonzales3781 Ай бұрын

Until you go inside a building

@clalam5241 Ай бұрын

@@user-by6fp4ov3kwoah the game looks worse on crappier settings ? Interesting

@TheDAWinz Ай бұрын

What I like about the modded equipment (uniforms ect) is that they don't stick out like a sore thumb in game, unlike in ARMA 3 where non vanilla assets were pretty noticeably off putting.

@weeboftheleft5113 Ай бұрын

I'm not sure what modded assets you were playing with in ARMA 3, but most the stuff I used was less sore thumb than the vanilla assets. I can't stand that vanilla neon green digi-cam shit.

@ayespenzo358 Ай бұрын

Lol idk what mods you had but there is definitely gear that doesn't stick out.

@HH-bi8dt Ай бұрын

@@weeboftheleft5113 To be fair, RHS packs being some of the most popular mods, the clipping issues are there for sure, and they definitely all stick out like a sore thumb

@ngonzales3781 Ай бұрын

I feel the complete opposite. The reforger mods are pretty noticeable

@kris7822 Ай бұрын

You should be off pudding!

@TheBritSniper Ай бұрын

4:34 Great choice of music Drewski, All Ghilled Up COD 4

@philipbm3980 Ай бұрын

i swear i love it when he uses this kind of music. it brings me back to cod4 and goos times so much

@internetcatfish Ай бұрын

So that's where I've heard it before. For some reason I was thinking Skyrim but I was also like "it can't be".

@aselwyn1 Ай бұрын

COD 4 has such a iconic soundtrack i love it

@kurbstomp4482 Ай бұрын

Klean’s new Realism server runs incredibly well. I played about 4 hrs last night and only DC’d once and was auto reconnected in my truck with no problems. Server never dipped below 30 fps, and I maintained over 60fps with my old computer. I am addicted to this game.

@AaronsRebuilds Ай бұрын

Have you got a link on how to get this server?

@namyx_71 Ай бұрын

What specs are your PC if I may ask? I got 1050ti and not sure if it's enough

@lyndonesping2315 Ай бұрын

What’s the server name?

@kurbstomp4482 Ай бұрын

@@AaronsRebuilds search w.c.s

@domsantiago5444 5 күн бұрын

@@namyx_711050ti is kinda ancient and weak for current gaming it’s time to upgrade if you want to play newer demanding games like this one my man. IF it runs it’ll definitely be a struggle and at lowest settings to keep 30fps.

@golevka Ай бұрын

I love the Cold War setting, wish it was more popular but it seems nobody is happy unless they have NVG, IR laser, magnified optic and backup red dot. Just like every single other shooter

@momopirou3107 Ай бұрын

i'm with you. every other shooter is modern, let this one be cold war :)

@integritygaminggroup Ай бұрын

That is why our community's Reforger servers have not added more modern content to our main servers. Some people have come around to realizing it makes for some engaging firefights!

@fennoman9241 23 күн бұрын

I am glad PBS server is usually full of players with vanilla conflict.

@ethanvallance4989 7 күн бұрын

Theres was a pretty active cold war server I played yesterday. There's also a Vietnam one but I haven't downloaded the mods yet.

@ethanvallance4989 7 күн бұрын

There's a private fallout server and I hear halo is being worked on

@blchfnby Ай бұрын

A key thing to remember, is this "game" is a tech demo, Its not a full release arma title, its a tech demo on the new engine. Bohemia is working on arma 4, and using this as a testbed for modders so when A4 comes out, The modders are already well versed in the mod tools and communities dont have to wait for their modders to learn the new engine before they can transfer over.

@elkien3 Ай бұрын

But seems weird that they wouldnt fix more bugs for reforger, since they will want them fixed in ArmA 4 as well. Especially since it getting so popular

@donaldskunk8579 Ай бұрын

@@elkien3I guess we can hope that they focus their main work on Arma 4 and update the netcoding and co for Reforger when they have the time for that…. I know that’s a lot of copium but it’s it’s kinda what I’m telling myself at the moment 😂

@blchfnby Ай бұрын

@@elkien3 Like I said, Its a test bed, They do work on it as evidenced by them working with communities in the game to sus out the connectivity and stability issues. Majority of the feedback ends up going towards Arma 4 though instead, where as key things such as connection stability, server stability, etc will be worked on in Reforger because those are key to Arma 4 having a clean launch.

@brianlogan4740 Ай бұрын

They charged $40 for this thing though and I can't even play it. I'd understand if it was not feature full but it wasn't usable for the first 6 months. Granted I have to try it again but by the time it's stable they'll release Arma 4 sigh..

@blchfnby Ай бұрын

@@brianlogan4740 arma4 is still several years away brother

@mortalisares1893 Ай бұрын

Hey Drewski thank you for yet another Reforger Video and for coming out on that private operation with us! DarkGru appreciates all the content your pushing out and we’re so fortunate to have yourself, Shroud, Klean and Moidawg to name a few coming out and playing with us! We are making some improvements soon to the server and also BI is working with us now to help improve stability! They’re having us test some of there improvement changes on the servers!

@patrickhenry8425 Ай бұрын

Fix it and they will come!

@Wolfhound223 Ай бұрын

@@patrickhenry8425 ............'crawls back into the shadows...........his watch continues'

@TomatoTownFilms Ай бұрын

@@patrickhenry8425man the player base don’t want them coming, all his fans ruined the server

@marcusholland6349 Ай бұрын

@@TomatoTownFilms they’ll just make more servers hopefully lol chill

@Tobiu Ай бұрын

I hope that the whole Community is benefitting from this.

@mikepanda117 Ай бұрын

Forgive us of our teamkills as we forgive them for tking us. Lead us not into temptation, but onto the objective of gaven

@razamataze0800 Ай бұрын

The cobra hitting the ground and not Michael Bay'ing into a fireball is surprisingly refreshing. A little ground deformation and visible damage to the helicopter would make it look so crisp.

@F34R- Ай бұрын

dont push it this is BI we are talking about

@the_darkgameryt Ай бұрын

yeah

@AJ--212 25 күн бұрын

a point to recognize aswell is that cobra was made by modders

@AJ--212 25 күн бұрын

@@F34R- no it isnt, the cobra is a modded vehicle, and if you expect much from this game, dont, it was never meant to be a full game in the first place and they never intended to be putting lots of work into this

@TheDevildogGamer Ай бұрын

Im here!

@TommyB2000 Ай бұрын

Hey Devildog, long time fan! Your awesome

@OperatorDrewski Ай бұрын

Debradoggamer

@rocketjumper5419 Ай бұрын

Thought you hated reforger?

@Dhjdhebdaish Ай бұрын

I saw you on Vietnam 67 a couple days ago, are you going to make a video?

@TheDevildogGamer Ай бұрын

@@Dhjdhebdaish whenever i get around to it i def will

@Jomchen Ай бұрын

god the gunfire in this game just sounds so incredible, especially when a firefight erupts indoors, just breathtaking.

@eck0warrior Ай бұрын

that's the SR sound mod, the vanilla sound is way more quiet

@PrinceMauriceTV Ай бұрын

"I have information that could lead to the arrest of Hilary Clint...." and then he dies lmaoooo .... funniest thing ever!!!

@Wyatt_B 11 күн бұрын

Timestamp?

@OPRingMaster Ай бұрын

Arma Reforger has definitely improved in the past 2 years and while there are still MANY issues that need to be addressed as the video clearly points out in the intro, the game brings a lot to the table and I'm not only talking about the graphics but in all aspects. The animation looks a lot smoother, gun-play and movement feel amazing compared to other Arma installments, including Arma 3 WITH mods. The game master function is incredibly user friendly and simple, so simple a person can learn how to run an operation by simply experimenting by yourself for an hour, allowing anyone to host a game, privately or in public lobbies. This game has a greater potential than any other installments and once they flesh out the finer details and continue to support the modding platform, that is when this game will truly take off like never before.

@VunderFiz Ай бұрын

sorry to burst the bubble but it's not going to truly take off. Reforger is a test bed for bug fixing/modders for Arma 4 and that's all it's ever been. the minute Bohemia get what they want out of it it's getting dropped like a sack of potatoes... not that it's a BAD THING, because when Arma 4 comes out WHO DOGGY that game is going to be PEAK with all the info they've been getting with reforger, this is more a reminder that the game isn't a "game" but a test that will eventually drop support.

@OPRingMaster Ай бұрын

@@VunderFiz No bubbles bursted mate. Despite this game being a test bed, if this is what the next installment has to offer, the next game is gonna be amazing. Hopefully they continue pushing in the right direction and keep expanding on this platform in the meantime. Even if when they do decide to drop all support for reforger, it is something to keep us entertained until the next installment and I for one am happy too see this game pick up great traction.

@FRANK45CASTLE Ай бұрын

That optic at 22:29 is really awesome. I love these videos man, great work.

@FRANK45CASTLE Ай бұрын

@ZenCharlie Well, that doesn't give you real PTSD. I fought in Iraq for 15 months, videos and the real thing are drastically different, trust me. Stop watching war footage.

@wraithwyvern528 Ай бұрын

It's a Nightforce 1-8x ATACR, a very nice LPVO but runs about $2800 in real life so it's nice at least having it in video game form.

@AJ--212 25 күн бұрын

@@FRANK45CASTLE sounds like bud needs to learn the difference between trauma and PTSD, i think its good sometimes that people watch war footage, i watch it myself, mostly just because i have interest in joining and want to know what combat is like without having to go the extra mile to find out, obviously watching and being there are two different things but its a real eye opener to see what a mess war can be

@FRANK45CASTLE 25 күн бұрын

@@AJ--212 PTSD is very weird. When I got home I just felt off. I never was the same after the war. It's normalized now because I've lived with it for 20 years. But I will still never feel like I did before the war. I'll never get solid sleep again or be able to be in a crowded area without checking for threats constantly. It's not even on purpose it's like a second nature and makes me anxious. War was a crazy experience and I wouldn't trade it for anything. Just never knew what PTSD was going to be like and it's more than some guys can handle. Especially the ones who never get help.

@AJ--212 25 күн бұрын

@@FRANK45CASTLE you can never guess how PTSD will effect someone, Its a bit of a roll of the dice since it can completely change how your brain as a whole functions, I'm glad you're still kicking and I hope you continue to do so, guys like you are an inspiration to us all and I hope you push that message about getting help, we don't hear it from the right people enough. thank you for your service.

@cristiangeraldo9606 Ай бұрын

In just the last day today, I’ve seen over 5 different small channels do their own ARMA Reforger videos and some even with mods in halo and other games as such, the player base is VERY VERY hungry! 😂❤

@KillShot227 Ай бұрын

Sounds like paid videos to me.

@riotmaker650 Ай бұрын

Been doing content on this game before it became big in the last few weeks. It's just we finally get noticed because big creators are doing it finally

@Camazoft Ай бұрын

@@KillShot227 No, the game has too much potential and if it is the next step to a saga that lacks a technical facelift, I recommend that you play it, each server is a different experience, something that MP in Arma 3 was missing, years ago.

@nuztuz903 Ай бұрын

@@KillShot227 why would they pay people to promote a tech demo

@TeyWalker Ай бұрын

That Quan sequence was hilarious lmaooooo

@MetaVizions Ай бұрын

16:45 “I HAVE INFORMATION THAT COULD LEAD TO THE ARREST OF HILLARY CLINT-“ *DIES*😂😂😂😂

@totrik4505 Ай бұрын

i love the reforger vids. havent watched to much of you lately but the arma reforger vids are rly good. and the cod4 music fits so well

@vitormd1138 Ай бұрын

It's so realistic we even got errie stories of hallucinations to tell, this time it's the Invisible Skinwalker (at 45:00)

@osidiusemphatic3505 Ай бұрын

Man, these videos are amazing. Great to see Tomographic doing so well too. I was one of his first 700 subs (on my old account), and getting your start because of a viral creator like Aculite must be both a blessing and a curse. Awesome to see him at 811K now.

@EtherEcho-kr6ep 18 күн бұрын

Does restoring authentic actions constitute copying? Are these actions original to EFT?

@Simple.903 Ай бұрын

Ive been watching you for years and I Absolutely Love the Content You make, keep it up man!

@TaskForceGamingMilsim Ай бұрын

Great vid man see some clips from the op we did was awesome meeting you. Love Reforger Arma 4 gonna be amazing.

@chugachuga9242 Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot Drewski I haven’t been able to get on any DarkGru servers for the past month! Keep giving Reforger the love it needs.

@OperatorJackYT Ай бұрын

The Twitch stream was awesome Drewski! :D

@wolfyspy8034 Ай бұрын

I found your channel at MOST two months ago, and I have since watched around two years of Arma content.

@coffeegrim9051 Ай бұрын

I loved the Quan story arc

@ovidiuskinas4011 Ай бұрын

Amazing video

@antoniocorreia2747 Ай бұрын

Love this content! Thank you!

@basvh666 Ай бұрын

vietnam server has 8 hour long fights sometimes, without being kicked out once. the lag is also doable after 8 hours.

@fathead8933 7 күн бұрын

I’ve been playing the Vietnam server lately. It’s pretty awesome.

@tkkt.6480 Ай бұрын

5:33 "Dana White joined the fight" LMAO

@RyanDob Ай бұрын

The sounds, the lighting! Just wow. Looks so good. Also love that AN-94 so much!

@camerontyrrell1176 Ай бұрын

Great Vid, Been loving the content Lately, even more so than usual. Youre crushing it. This vid however does show the one thing I am struggling to enjoy in this game, most people are crutching under barrel grenade launchers, I have died more to grenade launchers than bullets the last few days and its sad because every shot you took in this video was amazing, it felt awesome watching them drop one by one.

@DahKaraiMoe Ай бұрын

YO drewski was playing with tomographic lets go!! you guys should play together more often i love both of your content❤

@PothWaza Ай бұрын

Lmao I glitched in that truck and went invisible, it was cool meeting you drew!

@BigMickOs Ай бұрын

Really liking these videos bro

@boywithapple741 Ай бұрын

29:52 is like the hospital scene from The Exorcist where the spirit appears with shears

@CYAN25 Ай бұрын

love the reforger vids

@NIGHTCRAWL3 Ай бұрын

The sounds in this game are crazyyy

@sxrrry Ай бұрын

thats my mod, lol)

@762x39.. Ай бұрын

@@sxrrry WAIT YOU MADE IT

@TheDAWinz Ай бұрын

@@sxrrry Just some feedback, needs some mixing corrections imo the gunshots inside are way too loud when you're very far away from them

@sxrrry Ай бұрын

@@762x39.. yep

@sxrrry Ай бұрын

@@TheDAWinz sound engine, current echo loudness is realistic, but i cant affect what you hear outside - i understand it too, just technical limitations(

@Killerbnizz Ай бұрын

On military rotation right now, me and my boys have started to plan out some missions to make when we get back to see how it is now I’m excited

@hxcbarnacleboi99 Ай бұрын

love your videos drewski!! keep killin it, that AN-94 tickles my brain.

@xroosterrttv4048 Ай бұрын

I NEED TO BACK IN MY VOD AND SEE THAT RUS MELEE ME AGAIN!! IM GLAD THAT ASSUALT MADE IT INTO THE VIDEO!

@iitzwolfy Ай бұрын

As someone who is CPR certified for my job, I can confirm that is proper CPR 😂

@100GTAGUY Ай бұрын

Instead of doing compressions to the tune of "Stayin' Alive" just do the whole dance on their chest lol

@aceontop8038 Ай бұрын

Loving these Arma reforger videos

@calmdownref Ай бұрын

Dude soo many nasty shots. That hyper burst is nuts

@TuriGamer Ай бұрын

Arma refunder isnt going anywhere buddy 😂😂😂

@deadzedrossie Ай бұрын

Bought the game way back when you said too and I’m glad to see it coming alive! Will be on this weekend

@SpartAnd117 Ай бұрын

You may be pushing your Gaming Rig for our Viewing pleasure and we are Blowing out our ears with your videos trying to hear all that is happening. Keep up the good work Brother in Name.

@Lodethebig Ай бұрын

I love the call of duty mission music in this. It adds that perfect amount of tension and also nostalgia

@thegamingbrennan2609 20 күн бұрын

@operatordrewski and the most recent dBrief from the devs they announce that they will be adding a queuing system to the game as well as there will be a complete rework of reverb and we will finally get flares. ran into you and game the other day. Thanks for being chill and keep up the great work.

@mastershipstreamarchives4159 Ай бұрын

Was this the stream from last night? Wow you work fast. I’ve picked up Reforger again now that it’s playable because of you drewski. Thanks for the vid!

@blarpnarp Ай бұрын

when i was a kid i lived next to a base thatd have c130s flying over our house every day and let me tell you those things were LOUD and theyd sometimes vibrate something off a shelf

@blackwidow4real Ай бұрын

I was a young kid playing Delta force, and the millsims stuck with me for along time throughout arma 2 and its million mods until FrankZ made a video on Arma 3 and I was hooked on that. At some point I fell off milsims, and I feel like this is the perfect time to come back

@Hironidin Ай бұрын

43:02 That boy Drewski is a cold operator

@christhegamer7082 Ай бұрын

Drewski has quite literally the best videos to watch for a fucking hour as it's 12 am on a saturday morning but I count it as my friday night time, good shit drewski.

@Mjr_Annoyance Ай бұрын

the hyperburst on that brings back memories of mg42 sound pack in moh allied assault

@devingroover7328 Ай бұрын

Loved playing with you drew! Awesome to finally meet you after I had watched you for so long, Groovyman18

@Transmissional Ай бұрын

Thanks for the video, it's always nice getting some of this action in. I dont play the game but I liked to watch the game and the community involved in it. Would be nice to participate myself one day but if your suffering on a top end PC then my low end PC from 2012 would not be able to work at all lmfao.

@Wildcats17 Күн бұрын

Love the cod 4 music in the background

@sjeppertje5462 Ай бұрын

Drew you should do some Arma flying videos! Always love watching them but its been a while since the last heli or a10 video. They always feel so cinematic.

@Onyx413 Ай бұрын

Just got reforger for my birthday, holy shit it’s good! Got into a Vietnam roleplay GM on the small island I can’t remember the name of and had an absolute blast!

@stevenhilton6502 Ай бұрын

People forget how long it took Arma 2 and/or 3 to finally become a SOLID game. But when it finally was… it was BEYOND worth the wait, how old is Arma 3? Guessing 10ish years ago and it’s STILL i personally believe it’s the best all around milsim game out there, YES it takes a bit to remember all the controls and movement techniques but it’s still amazing

@l.3626 Ай бұрын

that barn had to be hell for them

@HauptstadtLiebe Ай бұрын

6:26 that one branch sure is a happy boy

@truestcapprez3030 Ай бұрын

Man’s is running the rifle I gave him, Block II with the LPVO goes hard. Keep rockin this shit 🤙🏽

@Gaming_Greyson Ай бұрын

I loved when you posted them

@Acidmonk603 Ай бұрын

Entertaining as always, boys!

@artarezaei8720 16 күн бұрын

4:37 Man anytime I hear that The hair on my body just salutes automatically

@iplaygames8090 Ай бұрын

That section with the wounded guy in the warehouse was straight up war movie material

@GamesforCykits Ай бұрын

Yoooo crazy been a good min since ive last seen this game and its drewski lets goooooooooooo

@Neeepuuuu Ай бұрын

Holy I jump when you started taking suppressed shots in those woods

@xreconmanx4545 Ай бұрын

I love Reforger so much! I feel the pain on spamming left mouse and esc lol

@thathalflatino Ай бұрын

9:17 this man with the lmg took way too long to start shooting

@BattleWrench Ай бұрын

Reforger is fleshing out man getting excited for the next thing this will be used to build on but it's jank as hell. Also just fun.

@Dethmeister Ай бұрын

41:59 Those binocs were kinda scary looking.

@masterchiff2402 Ай бұрын

really hitting me in the feels with that old cod 4 soundtrack. damn that game was good. reforger is looking good!

@L0ATHESTV Ай бұрын

I’m so happy I’m not the only one dealing with crashes and terrible FPS in some cases. But I keep going back for more

@londonmiew Ай бұрын

Awesome video you’re my favourite gamer KZfaq

@thaninjaaaa8970 Ай бұрын

That guy at 30:38 peeking the corner got hyperbursted in the oblivion 😂😂😂

@maestroreaper3975 Ай бұрын

Bruh we need more of this , i just keep waiting for you and task force to post a vid about reforger warfare fights

@briangore1990 Ай бұрын

I love how during the interrogation of the soldier who surrendered. One guy just starts furiously dancing in front of him. I lost it 😂

@wookie7017 Ай бұрын

The command truck defense close to the end was epic, Drewski-wick

@peepoJaiden Ай бұрын

The prayer at the start of the video is why I love gaming.

@IVIi147 Ай бұрын

Was looking forward to this one,hate that i missed thr stream but hey,school does that to ya.

@Merc-FPS Ай бұрын

getting it soon! cant wait!

@vitecpiwopersonal Ай бұрын

hey drewski, a bit off topic of the video, but i would love to see some stalker GAMMA one-night-in-the-zone-style video, where you're mostly just talking while going into different places (basically i just want to see the same video but done in a different place like Yantar, maybe Limansk or Agroprom, but specifically at night so it would have the same "vibe" as that video)

@oddn6158 Ай бұрын

15:00 that one survivor is getting absolutely bombarded

@akatsukilevi Ай бұрын

16:50 Dude dead and the other breaking down with sick moves Yep, that's ARMA

@Astrosk1er Ай бұрын

Been binging these recently and the an-94 is just a bonus

@BayouFoxx Ай бұрын

Arma Reforger is definitely taking most of my time, really fun experience, the people are great 😂

@RAMZAVFX Ай бұрын

Lol, you and Frankie are the reason I started playing Dayz and A3. (Then tomo and Karma later on)

@SiSiChi44 16 күн бұрын

43:40 I have a theory why those birds keep getting disturbed.. Maybe they're down with the sickness OOOWA A A A! 😂

@losr98 Ай бұрын

I remember playing this at launch and I just thought I didn't know wtf I was doing. Come to find out it was just broken. Just picked it up again earlier this week and was honestly blown away by the performance. I never drop below 140 frames and usually sit at 160ish. Haven't really had any crashes or game breaking bugs and I've been having a great time. It actually got me off Hell Divers. Hopefully they ramp up the support for this one and it turns into something crazy or it at least makes a good stepping stone for A4