Granted, these infinities are the same size (Aleph_0).

It's not about bigger, it is about faster.

Once they wrap their mind around that one, you can introduce them to the idea of multiple sets of infinity.

@@Llanowar_Kitten no they certainly don't share cardinality. They are just both countable. one is still aa0 and the next bigger aa1, at least in this context. You gotta keep in mind that most set theory notation is context sensitive. And since we are only comparing countable infinities, you still use aleph notation to compare the two sets and possibly do arithmetic on them or whatever. Transfinite set theory gives me a headache though.

@@seleenshadowpaw3012 Yup, pretty solid Mathematical proof ,, infinity " is gibberish and only used for theoreticals and complex math equations that exist only to impress your physics teachers.

Infinite combos are part of the game, so if they can incorporate this concept into arena, I’m all for it. However I hate the inception of Alchemy into arena.

Yep, especially since the deck is truly infinite with two Primal Commands to shuffle everything together. It would be another story if they weren't in the deck, though. The Midnight clocks exile themself

@@BrewersKitchen exactly what I think, if you can have infinite turns without ever decking yourself, you are able to do infinite damage. If that wasn´t the case I would ask the opponent if he wants the win and scoop if theyy say yes

While technically true, in tournament the match would almost certainly go to time and be declared a tie. The infinite loop from Phil’s list is non-determinate so it cannot be declared as infinite but he is advancing the board state so he could keep going without a dq. Without an approach, it all comes down to if the opponent is willing to give up the game in the face of a theoretical win or just hold out for the tie.

@@CenJohan not rlly since things like the second sun let the deck win just by cycling out cards with infinite turns

Yeah it's a weird situation anyhow, since currently the opponent if we go by they have infinite squirrels, and have 3 times infinity health, and 2 times infinity plus 1 damage . Where as the other deck, which just stole the two soul wardens would have 2 times infinity health. But that's just numbers that don't really exist, so it's weird and finite numbers would make a lot more sense.

"Another one!"

Very strange comment.

@@Alpha_Troll Strange that this got two likes

Does Anakin smirk menacingly in that meme? I don't recall him 'smirking menacingly'.

I don’t feel particularly guilty for killing some one with Gin Gitaxes playing this deck by playing a raider’s wake, then attacking them enough to put them at 2, making them die on the discard trigger on their key to the archive

I started reading this like "Ridin Dirty" but realized that's not where it was going.

@@FlawlessRythym just did the same

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@@FlawlessRythym LOL same. That song was so overplayed that it's burned into the back of my brain now lol

Phil isn't only upgrading the editing, he also makes the best content on goldfish! I feel like he eventually might have surpassed the goldfishchannel's views, had he stayed by himself. Nonetheless, I love his videos :)

@@keep7smiling I honestly don't watch any other content on this channel but Brewer's Kitchen.

@@keep7smiling Stability is more important!

@@Orvieta you're missing out, against the odds is so fun.

@@person3176 Presentation and voice acting are irritating to me, something I don't have with Brewer's Kitchen, liked him from his first videos before he went with Goldfish.

Don't forget people trying to use Binding on Ashaya, Soul of the Wild.

@@AaronRotenberg ashaya has gotten me multiple times when i've tried to play banishing light effects on it

Why doesn't it work?

@@lt422vorinclex says that if opponents would put counters on a permanent they control, they get half that many counters rounded down. this means that enemy-controlled sagas like binding the old gods don’t get lore counters and never trigger their abilities. ashaya makes all nontoken creatures on its side of the board forests in addition to creatures, including itself, so none of them can be targeted by “target nonland permanent” effects like banishing light.

once I played Elspeth Conquers Death in my Yorion deck hoping to exile an enemy Vorinclex. Damn, I got beat up so hard i can still feel the damage

Praetor is the new Phyrexian :)

Thank you! And welcome back to Magic :)

Thank you! Game one was probably the hardest game to edit in any of my videos. There was just so much going on xD

@@BrewersKitchen Even my wife as a MTG newbie was in awe when you went berserk in Game 2. I had to explain a few steps and moves, but it all made sense to her, and I thank you and her for that.

@@Orvieta Oh wow this is great to hear! I always worry that I'm going a bit too fast with my editing xD

I declare nine septillion. Non exponential effects should not be able to compare with infinite loops.

That's very similar to the Halting Problem in computer science. The main difference here is that we're not trying to predict for all possible inputs but for a set of inputs limited by the state of the game and all possible actions in the game, limited by the cards in the decks. Still, this is very nontrivial. Maybe there could be a way to bundle actions into a set and let the user input the number of times the set of actions be repeated... Still, I think it's much more complicated than it sounds unless for very trivial two-card combos

@Zach, Bro How so? Do players not have to manually work through each step of the combo an arbitrary number of times, limited by timing out?

@@daktastik they do

​@@daktastik It might not be trivial, but it should hardly be impossible either. As a general rule, if a set of game rules can run on human brains, it should be able to run on computers. If humans can recognize an infinite loop, a computer should too. There also variations in the space of "infinite combos". Some are easier to implement than others. The Jin-Gitaxias combo shown here for example, might be a lot more difficult to implement for computers because of the variations of going infinite: it's not a simple cycle because you have some random variation on drawing the necessary Time Walk-like cards. That's not to say humans can comprehend this any better. If my opponent at a tournament explained the Jin combo, I'd still probably ask them to play through it because it isn't obvious that their infinite loop is guaranteed. So a computer not declaring infinite loop victory here is not any worse than a human. However, it should be relatively easy to recognize the life-gain squirrel infinite combo. You can just have a trigger to look for a cycle of similar inputs followed by a proportional change in board state that doesn't use up any finite resources. When this is detected, give the player a pop-up menu to ask how many iterations of the cycle they'd like to play. Now we come to the actual game-rules limitation here. If I remember correctly, in actual Magic rules, you can't have actually infinite life. Instead, you can declare any arbitrarily large (finite) number. Which is not gonna be possible with computers. You'll probably need to make sure "infinite" combos still work as expected when you simply declare enough cycles to give players the max number of whatever they want. Considering value overflows and all that stuff.

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Danke sehr! :)

Thank you!

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Sounds interesting! Tamiyo seems great in the sb, good call! Thank you :)

@@BrewersKitchen Yeah also +1 to dig if needed for a piece. Works well. This deck is a ton of fun. I was hating historic until this. It was all control, thoughtseize kroxa decks or cat/oven decks. This might be the Combo-Control deck Historic needed. Some version of it anyways. The play patterns are just very satisfying. It's a lot like your Junk Winder deck. Figuring out the sequencing and getting the pieces assembled is just very enjoyable.

@@savagesnadgaming7252 Thank you! Yeah the Junk Winder deck is still one of the most fun decks I've built in a while, it just feels so right when it all comes together xD