Optimism vs Caution Debate: Who's Right?

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23 күн бұрын

In this thought-provoking debate, Conor advocates for relentless optimism while Joe argues in favor of proceeding with caution. Join them as they explore the benefits and drawbacks of the Red Bull deal, encouraging viewers to consider their own approach to it. Who will make the more compelling case? Tune in to find out!
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@missizaskun
@missizaskun 22 күн бұрын
Hi there Joe and I know the videos are about football but they are also about the City of Leeds and yesterday we lost a great sportsman and human being. My sincere condolences to his incredible family and friends. Rest in Peace Rob Burrow and may your memory be a blessing! Best wishes from the Basque Country, Henry
@HeyButWhy
@HeyButWhy 22 күн бұрын
Well said... God Bless the little BIG MAN 🫡
@gregorymorris704
@gregorymorris704 22 күн бұрын
Honestly lads you two are so entertaining when you do counterpoint together..really bring out the best in each other 😎💪🏻
@jacksimmons530
@jacksimmons530 22 күн бұрын
I don't think you can say firpo is a clear example of farke improving players. First off firpo dropped from the prem to the championship so his job is nowhere near as difficult and second he actually had a run of games that he hasn't before. I don't think you can say farke is responsible for keeping firpo fit.
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW 22 күн бұрын
I think you can
@robertpickering641
@robertpickering641 22 күн бұрын
He definitely improved
@JamieLowe-xp1le
@JamieLowe-xp1le 22 күн бұрын
Most players looked better in the championship then the prem because exactly as you said it’s a level below you don’t get punished in the championship like you do in the prem from the wide players.. Firpo had has a really good season for us for sure n id happily keep him in the team at championship level
@jacksimmons530
@jacksimmons530 22 күн бұрын
​@@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW well if you think that then you can say he's improved firpos fitness which is quite a wild claim as he did fix struik, bamford or byrams injury difficulties.But it's still a fact that firpo is playing against much weaker opponents in a run of games he hasn't managed before so if he's your only example of farke improving players then I think you're in trouble.
@jacksimmons530
@jacksimmons530 22 күн бұрын
​@@robertpickering641ok, good point. I'm convinced.
@HeyButWhy
@HeyButWhy 22 күн бұрын
RIP Sir Rob Burrow... 🫡
@NFFC1979
@NFFC1979 22 күн бұрын
Commercial revenue very different to capital investment. Sure the former will be good for PSR. Capital investment won’t help in the transfer market. 49ers are not short of capital. It’s the revenue they need to comply with FFP/PSR. Two very different things. Got a lot of respect for you Joe. Avid follower. Keep up the good work nice having you on with Conor talking about football. PS: You actually think Forest are big as you know about the history of most clubs. Which is nice to know you acknowledge others and have a sound footballing education when it comes to grandeur of clubs.
@goldstoneghost2861
@goldstoneghost2861 22 күн бұрын
The only clubs that bang on about ‘history & big club’ are clubs that aren’t big anymore.
@zabairqureshi2591
@zabairqureshi2591 22 күн бұрын
Brilliant Counterpoint 👌👍 Fantastic topics discussion 👍👌
@paradisi12
@paradisi12 22 күн бұрын
Why would there be a problem with an energy drinks shirt sponsor having their logo on a shirt or even having adverts round the ground. Better than anything to do with Arab autocracies and betting countries companies.
@Hoodiewitdaboogie
@Hoodiewitdaboogie 22 күн бұрын
True and they do cool stunts imagine a plane doing a flip over elland road
@HM-lp2pn
@HM-lp2pn 21 күн бұрын
Those aren’t the only other options though?
@bejam1
@bejam1 21 күн бұрын
It's not just about an energy drink sponsor on the shirt. It's about partial ownership by a company with a track record of deleting clubs history and heritage. I couldn't care less about their logo on the shirt, I'm just worried about what the future could hold.
@paradisi12
@paradisi12 21 күн бұрын
@@bejam1 Fully aware of what's happened before but that's not the deal here is it...
@bejam1
@bejam1 21 күн бұрын
@@paradisi12 Not in the immediate future. But it is a foot in the door, and one they've wanted for a decade. I only hope that by the time the 49ers are ready to sell, the clubs value is too high for RB to afford. That still wouldn't rule out incremental purchases which could cause a long term issue.
@Gilly9244
@Gilly9244 22 күн бұрын
6:41 I don’t get why Conor doesn’t think something could happen like that in future. Of course it could, you can’t just bat it off
@ryannewby447
@ryannewby447 22 күн бұрын
Love the counter point. Cheers lads. Massive season ahead.
@Trains022
@Trains022 22 күн бұрын
Thanks for all the work over the season, enjoy the break and looking forward to all the transfer news.
@thekashman4566
@thekashman4566 21 күн бұрын
It should be called The Master point,the two Leeds You Tube masters making their points 🤙🏾
@Leedsunitedforlife87
@Leedsunitedforlife87 22 күн бұрын
You two need to start a Leeds United podcast together 😁🤞
@kevwoods6827
@kevwoods6827 21 күн бұрын
Great banter guys look forward to this every week 👍
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW 21 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@debigilligan7440
@debigilligan7440 21 күн бұрын
Great show 👏👏👏👏
@harryburns8767
@harryburns8767 22 күн бұрын
Think it’s Oscar that gives out the news to you guys right or wrong? Hahaha. Great video guys
@leeevans9654
@leeevans9654 21 күн бұрын
Isn't the so called £60m for sponsorship, not what RB has paid for shares.
@leeedsonetwo
@leeedsonetwo 22 күн бұрын
Joe had red mug that proves RB are paying him and in fact it is a ploy by RB to ruin our club ffs.
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW 21 күн бұрын
You got me 😂
@nigelmitchell5618
@nigelmitchell5618 22 күн бұрын
Great chat lads, really enjoyed it 😁
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW 21 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@MK-rj4jn
@MK-rj4jn 22 күн бұрын
With regards to Struijk prior to this season he’s only missed 6 games for us through injury in 21/22 wouldn’t exactly say thats enough to say he’s injury prone now after a 2 freak injuries this season.
@bazmitch2530
@bazmitch2530 22 күн бұрын
Also think we rushed him back this year that ended up causing him more problems.
@jodylufc4481
@jodylufc4481 22 күн бұрын
I don't think we'd make a loss on Piroe. Get him gone. Take a loss on Bamford dont care just get rid. Joseph has potential, but is still unproven because Farke has no idea how to make subs. If we can bag Smodcks or Awonyi we'd smash the league. Josh sergent is bobins.
@HM-lp2pn
@HM-lp2pn 21 күн бұрын
Cheers for the debate lads. I’m not convinced by the argument we’re the only big club RB have been interested in. They wanted Düsseldorf/St Pauli/1860 Munich before settling on what became RB Leipzig, and they would have forced a rebrand on those clubs as reported in German media at the time. I don’t think it’s “paranoid” to see a very clear pattern and urge some caution about it. Conor’s statement about having to relocate to a soulless new stadium felt overconfident too given that the 49ers just want to redevelop. We *should* want to keep the best parts of our atmosphere and heritage, that isn’t just silly emotionalism.
@ricgillingham8056
@ricgillingham8056 22 күн бұрын
Great news with RB more money more opportunities with no fall back the haters need a reality check and enjoy the moment year 1 starts this coming session we win the league with in 5 years we will be a comfortable Prem team fighting for Europe and trophys this is a once in a generation moment lets enjoy it ......MOT
@HM-lp2pn
@HM-lp2pn 21 күн бұрын
I think maybe you need a reality check if you believe the top rung of English football is that easy to conquer lol
@adamcraig1468
@adamcraig1468 22 күн бұрын
If RB wanted to have their own english team they would buy a smaller one they could manipulate. I think theyve chosen Leeds because they have no intention of having a franchise in England, maybe thats to do with Heritage rules etc
@fotisalatas3698
@fotisalatas3698 22 күн бұрын
You are so wrong. Getting up the levels in English football is really difficult look at Salford. It is much easier to get am established team with a large fanbase.
@adamcraig1468
@adamcraig1468 22 күн бұрын
@@fotisalatas3698 RB did it with other teams in Europe. Plus look at Wrexham. It would be much better value to buy a L1 or L2 team and invest
@fotisalatas3698
@fotisalatas3698 22 күн бұрын
@@adamcraig1468 maybe but they dont have the global footprint of Leeds. Till last year it was us and Newcastle. The Saudis took over the Toons after us the largest availablw club is maybe Sunderland? Wednesday? Sheff Utd? And they are nothing like Leeds. So getting a team like us is guaranteed success in terms of marketing and establisment in the global football matket. You have the appeal now of Premier League and Bundesliga this is amazing for a prospective player. Salford with Peter Lims backing is fighting to go to L1 lets see how Wrexham is gonna go. MK Dons tried it as well and did nothing. I believe that RB will take over in couple of years but due to legislation they wont be able to change our name. This is my gut feeling.
@darrenbee80085
@darrenbee80085 22 күн бұрын
Do you think Sheffield United would swap piroe for archer? It's worth a shout. 😊
@lorrainearmitage4331
@lorrainearmitage4331 21 күн бұрын
😊 piroe 4 Ben bereton diaz😆😆😆😆 winner winner chicken dinner
@davemills8511
@davemills8511 19 күн бұрын
Joe’s comment at 1:12:00 🙏
@user-lo5mi4tb9x
@user-lo5mi4tb9x 22 күн бұрын
To be fair I am down for the stadium being in Wakefield less of a commute for me 😂
@lorrainearmitage4331
@lorrainearmitage4331 21 күн бұрын
😂 closer to huddersfield aswell 4 me
@johnrawes4908
@johnrawes4908 22 күн бұрын
Manager talks about the team is young and has no experience and we’re being linked with Gilchrist and Jebbison That would make no sense
@paulh7269
@paulh7269 21 күн бұрын
There’s always a pathway. The pathway is a pile of cash. 49ers are business men. If they’re gonna make a big profit relatively quickly, why wouldn’t they take it…?
@MarchingOnPod
@MarchingOnPod 22 күн бұрын
It’s very hard not to lean into negative rhetoric and suspicion when you consider how the club has been treated by its custodians in the past. It doesn’t need to be the end of the Leeds United world as we know it. If RB is our top sponsor for the next several years that will benefit Leeds financially, the reality is it is a better offer than any sponsorship offer we’ve had recently. Several times over. Any use of the RB network for scouting and player development can’t be a bad thing as they are involved with top sports science and sports coaching programmes globally. There is no way that RB can force the 49ers out at all, as the 49ers control the majority of shares and many minority investors are contained within the 49ers investment group, not as genuine minority shareholders. Even if RB got all minority shareholders to agree to push out the 49ers it would not work as they would be outvoted by the 49ers shareholders. The kit is what it is, nobody wants to see red on it if possible but it’s really not a big deal if it’s two red bulls, it’s quite obvious what they represent to everyone world wide. The reality is this boys, and Conor, Joe, I urge you to drive this home to your followers and subscribers: Any other team in the Championship or the bottom half of the Premier League would KILL for this level of investment. It is a game changer. - Only Leeds fans could complain about it, and that’s a result of us having our pants took down previously by dodgy owners and deals. Maaaaasssssiiivvveee summer incoming! ALAW 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@bowiedoctor9156
@bowiedoctor9156 22 күн бұрын
Good business by the 49ers; I don't understand the RB naysayers.
@Pollllz
@Pollllz 21 күн бұрын
I’m excited about the possibilities the RB investment gives us.
@antonyware9887
@antonyware9887 22 күн бұрын
Agree with Connor about the Blades. Expecting nothing next season. We are in big trouble. Have no faith in Wilder. Apparently American consortium buying the club. We’ll see.
@kelvingoodger5602
@kelvingoodger5602 22 күн бұрын
Got to be tougher,and less petulance against teams that kick to death
@rhymingoz
@rhymingoz 21 күн бұрын
Bamford is done. Time and again when needed he is injured. With age that isnt going to improve
@Windkin1983
@Windkin1983 22 күн бұрын
Even if red bull get a majority share in the future it's not certain they'll oush for changing the name of the club. They haven't done that on all of the clubs they own. RB Leipzig being one that don't have redbull in their name. That do however have bulls on their logo.
@WoldsWhite
@WoldsWhite 22 күн бұрын
Will the Red Bull deal not have to be reported in companies house and also have to show in the end of year accounts?
@HeyButWhy
@HeyButWhy 22 күн бұрын
I almost bought a Red Bull yesterday, but settled for a water and a saving of £1.50...
@Unbelievable-Hard
@Unbelievable-Hard 21 күн бұрын
If we allow for another close contest the efl and sponsors are sure to do everything they can once more to see us remain in the League. As we’ve learned h2h results don’t count for much, got to crush the league for 100 points
@paradisi12
@paradisi12 22 күн бұрын
Breaking financial rules basically means you play ineligible players every game. Mancheter City have done it for a decade or more.
@lorrainearmitage4331
@lorrainearmitage4331 21 күн бұрын
😊 Wainwright and gilligan class show 2 leeds greats
@AndrewTerry-pl1np
@AndrewTerry-pl1np 22 күн бұрын
Archie and Gilchrist playing at the back on the right side
@mancubofthenorth4554
@mancubofthenorth4554 22 күн бұрын
I'd rather not sign rodon after the names mentiond in video, I feel there is better value from Europe.
@bazmitch2530
@bazmitch2530 22 күн бұрын
Ben Johnson is out of contract at West Ham. I think that would be a good signing. He needs to play games hopefully convince him to drop down a division.
@itocastro5438
@itocastro5438 22 күн бұрын
If i go to Elland Road i will be a tourist who has followed since 74
@John-em6wk
@John-em6wk 22 күн бұрын
Depends who Leeds bring in
@John-em6wk
@John-em6wk 22 күн бұрын
How can u say top two don't know what players we have yet
@jodylufc4481
@jodylufc4481 22 күн бұрын
Not saying it could happen, but if you were offered a stadium like Spurs' in the same or similar location and it was called the RedBull stadium. You'd have to be mad not to take it?
@jbmb194
@jbmb194 21 күн бұрын
Cant fill it with tourists though can we and i did not like wembley sun
@martinr6298
@martinr6298 22 күн бұрын
the sponsorship deal and investment will be kept secret for now during transfer window .... If selling clubs know we have say £60 million to spend they'll put the price up
@gerryenglish3122
@gerryenglish3122 22 күн бұрын
Enjoy your hols Joe!
@jamesgibson3838
@jamesgibson3838 21 күн бұрын
Surely we have to bin darlow as his wage from what I saw recently is huge so would be better off the books than sitting there doing nowt
@AvergeJoehere
@AvergeJoehere 22 күн бұрын
I don’t think it was spence with the deadpool mask aha
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW
@JUSTJOEFOOTBALLSHOW 21 күн бұрын
It was
@paradisi12
@paradisi12 22 күн бұрын
Archie seen off Ayljng and Shack as well
@bielsaball7823
@bielsaball7823 21 күн бұрын
Cantwell? Didn’t Farke fck him off?
@scotthowells7638
@scotthowells7638 22 күн бұрын
Be bamford up front first game you know it will happen
@jbmb194
@jbmb194 21 күн бұрын
Noooooo surely no more mind he prob play a blinder score then g missing when we needs him most
@ricgillingham8056
@ricgillingham8056 22 күн бұрын
Agreed Farke is a good man a good coach but he needs to learn to be more adaptable have more in his bag than Plan A learn how to use subs trust players and his genral staff and chill a little lol i believe come start of season the team will be ready and i like Joe expect to piss the league no excuses.......MOT
@scotthowells7638
@scotthowells7638 22 күн бұрын
We won’t get a 9 we have piroe bamford and Joseph. We need a cb as we have only Ampadu and struijk. We need ampadu in midfield get rid of kamara. And get a natural rb fed up of square pegs
@chronicles8324
@chronicles8324 22 күн бұрын
I like Connor and agree with most of what he says but on this for me is typical of his age, hes been brought up in Man Citeh world and Chelsea, spending billions. The older fans have a different perspective. I dont think he has a clue what will happen with the club in 5 years and the fans are right to be concerned about the future. Its been done now so theres no point going on about it
@stevenhicks3732
@stevenhicks3732 22 күн бұрын
We are Leeds. If there's going to be any brand name changes it will be them, White Bull coming! 😂
@Windkin1983
@Windkin1983 22 күн бұрын
RB Leipzig is NOT Redbull Leipzig. The RB stands for RasenBallsport.
@martinr6298
@martinr6298 22 күн бұрын
If RB wanted ownership, they would be buying now .... In 5 years time we will be established in premiership (hopefully in Europe!) and the cost would be £600 million or more
@goldstoneghost2861
@goldstoneghost2861 22 күн бұрын
Do you a crystal ball? Last season was the optimum time to get promoted and Leeds didn’t. Aren’t too many clubs go back up in season 2, SUFC did a couple of years ago but before that? Expecting big investment in the squad is naive, didn’t happen last season when the parachute was far bigger. Didn’t piss the league and lasted 3 seasons last time.
@paulleeds2754
@paulleeds2754 22 күн бұрын
Im with joe the evidence is there for all to see the money paid is over the top just for a shirt deal. Their foot is in the door.they have a slice of the club.
@ricgillingham8056
@ricgillingham8056 22 күн бұрын
End of the day if success means giving a littoe like RB on the badge then so be it if we want to join the elite we have to change LUFC will all waysxbe LUFC what ever logo the print on our shirt lol i say lets embrace it ......MOT
@allbramleyarentwe3539
@allbramleyarentwe3539 21 күн бұрын
Has anyone looked into Jesse's financial links/mucky videos with red bull? I mean, something made them hire him 🤔 2025, Red Bull Leeds, In Jessevision! 😁 I'll get me coat
@Bopperbopper1
@Bopperbopper1 22 күн бұрын
Conor bamford knee Lol
@LUFC123
@LUFC123 22 күн бұрын
Everyone on the live stream was sending condolences and best wishes to Rob Burrow and his family and both Joe and Connor completely ignored it, it was a total lack of respect for a giant of a Yorkshire man and rugby league legend. Very disappointed you've both showed no class
@ricgillingham8056
@ricgillingham8056 22 күн бұрын
Connor you are a legend....please smash LIKE and SUBSCRIBE for the best LUFC content on KZfaq thank you 😊....MOT
@toniclayton3161
@toniclayton3161 22 күн бұрын
See Paul Robinson is talking his normal uninformed nonsense why do these ex players seem to think they have the ear of the guys in the know more scare mongering .from a has been please talk the club and players up not down with this negativity crap
@christhorpejunction8982
@christhorpejunction8982 22 күн бұрын
Conor being reluctant to utter the word Angus 🤣😜
@sepiarain
@sepiarain 21 күн бұрын
Love you Joe, but Conor's moaning on together brand of fair-weather support and unrelenting negativity towards the game and club absolutely boils my piss to be honest. Genuinely triggered how he jumps on every bit of Leeds misfortune with a smug self-serving "told you so!" bit of clickbait content.
@GargantuanD
@GargantuanD 21 күн бұрын
It's not negativity. Nothing wrong with having high standards for a big club, and holding the club to account when they bottle promotion like we did last season.
@sepiarain
@sepiarain 21 күн бұрын
@@GargantuanD We had a fantastic season. Amazing football throughout. I really fell back in love with the game. My only complaint is the second something doesn't go our way, there's these pockets of the fanbase that go utterly toxic and are way too reactionary and just start randomly attributing blame. The way I see it, we win some, we lose some, I love the team all the same - I do believe in and support the philosophy of our club and game. Farke mentions often that this club is very emotional, but what I think he means is it has extremely low emotional intelligence... so many supporters can't see the problem with being ready to either build a statue with one hand or throw rotten vegetables with the other with absolutely no other reaction in between... and it's always based purely on the outcome of individual games which they view in a vacuum. We've been guilty of it for years, thinking side before self doesn't apply to us as the twelfth man. We're walking contradictions - takes far less than the world stopping going round is all I'm saying and it's off putting and shows small character.
@StephyManduke
@StephyManduke 20 күн бұрын
The irony when Conor has been positive about this whole RB saga is hilarious reg. this comment. The whole fan scene is reactionary, everyone does it - it’s based on results, naturally you’ll be upset - you’ll then be happy. Don’t get why thats so difficult to understand. Conor is very consistent with his opinions imo, you’ll naturally go with the ‘told you so’ every now and again because he’ll get shit for his opinion originally, so fuck it - should your shit. right or wrong. Think it’s clear with your thoughts that you just want an echo chamber of positivity, which is fine. I tune in to every Leeds channel for an eclectic mix. Because I don’t get butt hurt by an opinion different to mine.
@sepiarain
@sepiarain 20 күн бұрын
@@StephyManduke Conor is a contrarian - he goes against the grain so on the occasions he's right he can gloat. But I don't think any of us should gloat over Leeds' misfortune just because we predicted it - I run on an 'expect the worst' code just for my own sanity, but I don't externalise that. I try and be more nuanced and skilful in my speech around the things I cherish. It doesn't mean I pretend everything is fine all the time. When I say "toxic" I mean if a player messes something up, we have "fans" who turn up at their home and write them death threats. That's not okay. I challenge that. That's not being in a positivity echo chamber. Conor coming alive for clicks as soon as the club has some misfortune, I'm not about that either. Joe isn't relentlessly positive either, he's just consistent.
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