Gaming mouse trap? HELL YEAH

something I noticed yesterday when I was at the Dollar Store: Companies nowadays are labelling the mice as " gaming mice ", but in the end I think the term " gaming mouse " is just to mention the mouse has some RGB lightings

1:44 Good to see the superlight also does well in this test, this one to me is much more important than click latency as it effects not just every frame but even within the frame how consistently your movements are registered and how quickly you can make readjustments.

As always, you videos are really awesome. I would like you to know that a lot of us enthusiasts look at you as one of the few truly reputable sources for latency testing. I hope your testing continues. More power to you, your content and your channel. Cheers Man!

The most overlooked difference? Maximum acceleration. An office mouse, for example, simply isn't designed for low sensitivity or DPI scenarios where movement of the mouse would have to be tracked fast. This results in you moving your mouse in, let's say, an FPS game and your character struggling and lagging behind due to the mouse sensor not being able to catch up. Then there is also sensor precision itself, DPI adjustment and latency (especially if wireless). I am assuming that these budge mice are more akin to office mice than gaming mice.

I can't really grasp how entertaining this video was. Even though I'm not looking for a mouse to buy anymore as I bought my Razer Deathadder V2 a month ago, this is some juicy content. Thanks Ali!

Would love to see how the mid-priced Pulsar Xlite Wireless stacks up against the GPX or VU in sensor/click latency. Looks like a great EC2 alternative if it performs well. Hard to blindly trust the wireless on these smaller companies for me.

With this testing setup you have and the LDAT, I'd love to see what kind of an effect that running high performance mice through a USB hub can have. If any.

Please do *Budget Amazon Gaming Keyboard Trap* next :)

So Delux M800 actually does have a noticeable click latency. I felt myself completely fucking braindead when I was missing flick shots I was 100% sure I aimed for both in Kovaak's and with Wingman in Apex, but when I switched to Viper Ultimate, most of them actually disappeared and I was very surprised. Thank you, Ali.

your mouse testing so great. Honestly wish there was a list like yours for every new mouse.

That honeycomb on at the beginning, from Ziyou Lang, I had a very similar one. It was wired though and looked a little different. But the sensor was just as bad and it was also very scratchy. I think that brand is just one of those brands that sell products that work ok before people realize that it’s terrible stuff and it’s too late to return it. My sensor didn’t only stop. The entire mouse disconnected after too fast of movement. The lights turned off, Windows made the disconnect sound, and it stopped working. Every time I had to press the USB a bit back in. Then I tried to exchange it to get a new one, they responded and said they’d get back to me, and never did lol. It’s the problem with these random brands you’ve never heard of. They are sometimes so sketchy. Also the lighting on it was trash. It was just a bulb and some mesh was under the honeycomb shell, to cover the insides. So the bulb was covered and the lighting looked disgusting. It was this flashing RGB, that just flashed. No smooth transition or anything. Jeez the thing was bad. It even costed $45 CAD. That’s quite a bit of money for a piece of trash like that. Those tiny blue Logitech office mice from the dollar store work better. Ended getting the Steelseries rival 600, which now feels like heaven

I got my Razer Viper Mini for $17.99 brand new on Amazon during a sale. Best mouse I've ever used.

The sensors matter to me, especially for tracking and movement for productivity. Clicking, selecting and highlighting text is super accurate when using my G305

I'd LOVE to see your high quality latency testing but running through various peripherals such as large USB 3 / USB-C hubs and "daisy chains" of monitor -> hub -> PC. It's always been something I've been concerned about, especially with LOTS of USB devices running through two USB hubs into a single USB-C port. Can the port really handle 1000hz polling properly with all that noise? So a kind of best case USB hub and worst case scenario where you're trying to saturate the port, does it make a difference at all or is it identical to plugging directly into the mobo. Love your content, thank you!

i was once one of those people that didnt know anything about mice but then i started watching youtubers like you that teach other people that not all mice are the same and i bought my g305 after i gave it to my friend because he was in need and bought a basilisk v3. Nice content!

i must say, with the 2nd mouse not tracking flicks, i had a similar mouse, it obviously isnt good, but when my main mouse broke, i had some rly bad office mouse that did the same, but it actually made me a better player, it made me calm down my aim and use a smoother style of aim instead of just hard flicking onto enemies It was good practice but not a good experience, i actually peaked in rank on some £5 microsoft mouse.

4:00 i love how his bullets always go to the head like a magnet, magic of first world servers....

This is one of the most fun and great videos even I watched. Thx Optimun

3:50 wow a $3 office mouse can outdo that shit. The only reason it has such high rating and number of reviews is they might have given cashback coupons for 5 star ratings with the mouse.

There are just a lot of casuals who play with absurdly high dpi and sensitivities that won't even notice any of those issues. They barely move their mouse and are at best aiming in the general direction of the enemy. I've argued with these people and they still think it makes them faster and all the pros are doing it like this.

This man is dunking on people with a mouse that works 50% of the time

honestly, I really appreciate this video I've been looking for a mouse that could take my gameplay down a level and I think I finally found it thanks to you I can get frustrated and blame my mouse for all the times I miss my shots now. Thank you I really appreciate the video keep up the good work.

Awesome video bro! Enjoyed the humor as well!

One of the best cinematography and thorough content creators on KZfaq covering peripherals? I am SOLD! New keyboard video when

Nice video! I think an entertaining video would be to check out very old mice from the 2000-2010 (like the MX518) to check out how they hold up and compare to modern standards

Great video. Love it. Please, PLEASE do a throw back and include FinalMouse!

I can personally vouch for the VersionTech Gaming mouse, You should buy the mouse if: 1. you want one of the cheapest mice with extra side buttons 2. loud and clicky main switches 3. a comfortable feeling while holding it (I use palm grip, but it was good for claw, okay for fingertip grips) 4. some very bright RGB to boost your confidence in gaming I've had it for a year and it works fine, I do play occasional games with it and it performs ok (im no pro gamer but I did get a 30 kill streak with this mouse) im a high sensitivity player so I didnt notice the wire pulling but i do use it on my desk without a mouse pad and it is very smooth. just make sure you clean your glides and desk where you use it once in a while or the glides do get scratchy.

would love to see you compare these mice to standard office (wired/wireless)

I wasn't prepared to that kind of results 🤣 Thanks for that comparison! Would be cool teardown of cheap abd expensive gaming mouse!

"The weight of this mouse is over 90 grams." Me who still uses the 121g G503: "Wow that sounds super heavy compared to the Superlight."

i remember to buy the version tech mouse, for $1, just used 5 min and noticed the same that you said, went back to my regular mouse, and after 2-3 years when my (12 y/o) mouse died, tried to use it meanwhile a new one comes, but all the primary switches were faulty, double click or releases without releasing the switch and so, even when 2-3 years ago were ok and had no use at all. Never seen that before. Never buy an unknown mouse.

During the first half of mice, I thought this video was just going to be a roller coaster of Ali's outrage that only went up! But it kinda tapered out at the end, but the last mouse was still pretty sucky lol. Good work as always, Ali.

I currently use my Viper 8K, but I got my Viper Mini at Best Buy for $19. It is an INSANE MOUSE! At that price, even people who are just casual PC users would find it to be a cool mouse. For gaming, I think it is the best or the second best. If they release an 8K Hz version with the Focus+ sensor, I will probably switch to that. When it goes on sale for only $19 again, I think I'll buy it for my mom's office PC too, lol.

The best cheap mice I have tried are the Projects S001 for $25, the Delux M700 for $32(It needed new feet and a paracord), the Matar MT-X24 for $30, and the Delux M800DB 3335 version for $30-45. If the LTC Moshpit wasn't so heavy it would be ok, same with the Ajazz i303pro. And as far as fit and finish the Jellycomb knockoff of the GPW was ok, the sensor is trash though. It had the best placement for side buttons I have used with a fingertip grip, has a round button that's really easy to press in that grip style, a lot more so than other mice.

3:35 My mouse came with my pc (lenovo default office mouse (not office pc)) and it does the same, at least it doesnt have sensor issues other than tracking when it mooves to fast.

I'm really happy with delux m800 wireless, coming of of steelseries sensei.

Love the charts and standard deviation

hey Optimum Tech, I was looking for a budget gaming mouse and I found the viper mini and the Logitech g203 light sync. can u give me some points on where these mice lack and exceed and can u tell me which one is better or if one is good? I have watched a lot of reviews and they say that both mice are excellent but because of ur graphical and data knowledge of mice I would like to receive feedback from you

I have the deluxe m700 and besides the kind of weird (not bad just different) feeling side buttons and scroll wheel that became super squeaky its actually a really good mouse.

I find sensor lift detection is one of the biggest flaws with the cheap ones. Nothing more annoying than lifting the mouse to re-position it and having your sights move around.

I am probably just too old and set in my ways but my last two mice have had a system for weight adjustment (corsair m65 rgb and logitech g500) and I have always used them with the maximum amount of weight because I feel it makes it somewhat easier to control. So I really don't get the idea of mice needing to be as light as possible. But then again I rarely play anything more action packed than Warframe and definitely nothing competitive. I have considered going wireless. But that is it for me I guess. Reasonably heavy and hand sized for me, thanks... 🙂

I've upgraded my G305 with Kalih 4.0 (red) switches and silent one for scroll button. It feels sooooo good to use it right now.

I personally love super heavy mice as when I lift the mouse, if its too light I often get lost of misinput or lean the mouse too far left or right, causing weird skidding on the side

thank you so much for making this video, now I'm proud of myself making choice to buy g pro wireless when I really suck at valorant and mostly plays google docs and zoom.

Thanks for making me feel not so bad about my old Mad Catz wireless mouse!

Your mice reviews are great! More please.

3:34 I do have that exact one but it’s in black, would not recommend I’m having my gaming experience multiplied tenfold using my old office mouse

love your vids so much, the amount of effort you put into your content is really respectable, keep at it man! :)

the deluxe m800 uses kailh 4.0s top of the line, just implemented poorly. also the sensitivity issues you were feeling was DPI variation. the 3335 sensor is notorious for it. other than that its a very solid $40 mouse.

One of the few mouse review videos where the reviewer actually plays games and is quite good at them. Subscribed. Just got myself a viper mini as an upgrade thanks to this channel.

The versionTech mouse was designed carting to internet cafes which charges 30 to 50 cents/ hour in Asia. Ppl usually do not play any shooter games in those cafes but windowed online mmo rpgs. For that usages, they fulfil their roles.

The versiontech sounded like you were chopping a tree down when moving it around.

I already have a g pro x superlight but I still watch every mouse video just because of how good and entertaining they are. Keep it up man

6:02 Just for the protocol: Paracord should *not* be used for rock climbing! Even a very thick one would kill you faster then you can send those amazon mices back. ;)

I used the mouse at 5:36 for several years and didn't know how bad it was until I got my hands on some good gaming mice. Now I use the hyperx pulsefire haste and prefer it over g pro and others.

there are two versions of the Delux M800. One with an 3325, the other with an 3335. The 3335 comes with Kailh 4.0 and is over all a solid mouse imo (if you get it for 40 bucks or less). There are even some Corepad skates ( I wouldn't use this mouse with stock skates :D) and grip tape for this mouse :D

Just out of curiosity, could you do these latency tests with different kinds of keyboards?

I got a Razer DeathAdder V2 Mini for $10 used and it's one of the best mice I've ever used (coming from a DeathAdder 2013 and then DeathAdder Elite lol). I love how lightweight it is, and the sensor/switches seem more than good enough.

This video is definity one hell of a comedy. I can't stop laughing at times. Damn.

Me: *”mom can we get a gaming mouse”* Mom: *”no we have gaming mouse at home”* Gaming mouse at home:

Sometimes it's the mouse mat combo with the mouse that creates those issues, once you hit the right mat they don't do those weird issues, just so you possible buyers know, I would use a better brand mouse but you know... just some info.

I feel so good w the deathadder elite, it feels so smooth on valorant and stuff

6:22 and the fact that this mouse is a copy of bloody a70 (to ppl who dont know bloody mice have extremely fast switches)

If you want a good budget mouse, I highly recommend the Logitech G305, fantastic wireless mouse at around £30.

“You could even go rock climbing with this and probably be safe” I subbed

I have Razer Deathadder V2 now , only thing i hate about it is its Right click is really soft for my palm aiming style .

You should bring back the reaction to your subscribers setups...

Delux m800 (3335 sensor with the good clicks) and corepads skates is one of the best investments I've made for 60 usd total. Although, the side buttons are really bad. If they ever make a V2, I hope they would make it better. 3325 version comes with omron switches. 3335 version comes with kaihl 4.0 left, right, scroll switches.

lol I use the second last one as given to me by a friend since I had office keyboard and mice and didn’t feel like buying a new set it took a bit to get used to it, trust me, but eventually it did end up usable high sens will get rid of the sensor problems, and it seems to be better w/o the use of a mousepad but I do wonder if my absurdly old office mouse would perform better

I noticed mouse acceleration on the M800 sensor, otherwise its really good for the price. Bought it to try it out against my RVM, UL2, Hati-S, & GPX.

Can you do a video about whether or not you need a mousepad nowadays? I think using your new mouse testing contraption you can do a pretty scientific test to check if there is any difference in latency on different surfaces like glass, wood, vinyl etc. Thanks!

"The only way to get a kill with this mouse is if the enemy just somehow walks into your crosshair" Hey, that's basically me with any mouse

Can you take a look at some Newmen gear some time? They're a budget gear brand that's on the same vein of Dareu that's really popular in South East Asia apparently. They're one of the budget gaming brands that have mice with a good thumb groove. I've been using their mice (particularly the g7 and g8) for years now, and reviews for them are rarer than a good graphics card these days.

2:10 I have a Razer Deathadder and that looks almost exactly like the body of the mouse, with the Razer not having the honeycomb. It's wack how companies can get away with getting so close to official designs.

Wow, I thought the Delux M800 was really a good mouse, too bad it isn't because it's cheap, its micro switches are Kaihl GM4.0 if I switch to GM2.0 would the click delay solve it?

Since I'm poor and can't afford really good product like super light I really liked this video.

What light bars are you using? They're in most of your videos and I'm obsessed I need a couple.

try some redragon peripherals, they are pretty infamous as a budget gaming peripheral brand and it'd be interesting to see how they stack up against the name brands

Office mice next please! I’m really curious to see how office name brand mice compare to gaming mice. You should start with the Logitech MX Master.

Can’t believe these pieces of crap are “gaming mice” definitely not for gaming

You can actually adjust the debounce in the driver software of the delux m800

In the US i can find the G305 for $40 USD at stores like Best Buy pretty regularly. Great mouse for the sale price and even at MSRP.

"Heavy AF... with total weight of 105 grams." Looking at my 115 gram G502 Lightspeed: "It's okay little buddy, it's what on the inside that counts."

2:20 fake model o i see

about the 2nd mouse, i was going to buy 1 but the owner said they will give me a better one if i give them a positive review which explained the rating despite the crappy quality, furthermore almost every shop with that mouse asked me to do the same thing

hell yeah someone who digs deep is finally covering the m800

LOL AT 5:39 is the mouse I got for Christmas before i got my laptop. It costed 500 rupees according to the price tag and when I got to use it, it started double clicking, parts were loosening, the scroll wheel was getting harder to scroll etc. All in under 5 months ( it was an older model tho and didn't have side buttons)

Sad to see the Delux M800 like that, just bought the Viper Mini and the first thing I missed is that I wish it was wireless.

Awesome video bro but i have a question...So i want to get a wireless mouse and i currently have a Razer Viper Mini and i wane know if it would be an upgrade if i got like a Model O wireless or Model D wireless.....What would u recommend?

did you make sure pointer precision was off for the m800db? when i downloaded the software it was on by default for some reason

Any shot you could give the Pulsar XLITE wireless a review / test with the new testing methodology? Been wanting to try one but prefer to hear your perspective first if you can get a free review model?

I have to admit I'm watching your videos mainly because your thumbnails are so clean!

That versiontech was my first mouse, prior to that I only ever used my laptop touchpad (which wasn't great either). Over here it's sold under a different name, and trust me when I say there are some even worse than it being sold in stores. Edit : I forgot to mention, basically the only reason why I got that mouse was because it was cheap, nothing else. Even office mice from hp cost more than that thing, and we couldn't justify the price difference

Been having the Razer Viper with charging dock for about 2 years, still performing as new.

Hi! Any hope to see a review of the new Be Quiet Dark Rock TF2? It seems a beast for ITX build!

You should test the whitshark Galahad it's extremely cheap but it has software and actual pretty decent rgb lighting on it its been holding up great, would just love to see you test the latency for it tho

I never really got the expensive gaming mouse and keyboard trend, Ive had friend that dumped hundreds on a keyboard and a mouse, and I have a $60 full setup, one of my friends bragged to me that their stuff was better, but when I asked how it was better thr inly thing they could come up with was color, every other difference between the both were very hard to notice, I dont see myself in the future spending more than 5x the price of a normal mouse just for color that I wont be able to see unless I blackout my room or stay up at night.

Weird, the M800 with PMW3335 has Kailh GM 4.0's out of the box, didn't expect such a huge click latency

ive been using a mouse with the sensor glitch problem for a while now and the only way around it is to up your sense a lot to the point the sensor doesnt have time to freak out or you can slow your aim speed