It was crazy! I've played so many games with the troll and that is the best it's ever done

Hahaha good joke man but clearly the orcs are the better army this was over at list building

Oh my.

@@nathanpeterson8011 Nah not at all, the cirith ungol list has won heaps of tournaments. The game ended at the troll charge. You can bring the worst list in the game and still do quite well if you're competant enough

There is a great player base! A tournament in the UK recently had 150 players and we have one coming up in Australia that has 50 people signed up

@@ConquestCreations glad to hear it! I'll have to keep an eye out for any local events

It's actually seen a decent resurgence globally it seems

Glad you like them!

Glad you enjoyed it!

The first time I've seen one in action (apart from the battle report where it just got throwing speared to death 😂) that was ridiculous!

Hahaha that was the best the troll has ever done! I've had so many games where he stomps one or two enemies then gets taken down

I mean, even if you drop it back to just it's regular Strength 7, it's still killing anything below Defense 6 on 3s, and only needs 4s for most everything else. In general, I'm not a big fan of those kinds of 'hit and keep moving' attacks period, just feels a bit too difficult to balance, but either way, Azog's Legion as a whole is probably somewhat overpowered for their points, there is a ton of killing power there. Even without the troll's nasty first charge, the Gundabad orcs were cutting right through their Cirith Ungol counterparts, no trouble; that's what made the real difference.

@@ryangale3757 yeah and Shelob couldn't get amongst it. I've been out of the hobby for a long while but been picking it back up and I just can't believe Azog and Bolgs' stat lines for orc captains essentially. I mean sure Gothmog is pretty good as well but Azog's legion just seems to have an incredibly good selection of characters and units from what I've seen of it. Azog is a surprise to me (I know they've gone movie Azog) since a 30ish year old Dain Ironfoot killed him a 100+ years before the Hobbit.

@@ryangale3757 The Troll Brute is really well balanced by its low fight value and low defence. Its really easy for a few heroes to flash kill it and when it goes down it leaves a massive hole in the battle line. If it were hitting with anything less than strength 10 it would be under powered. I have gotten in quite a lot of games with it now and ultimately I don't think its an optimal competitive choice. I think Azog's legion is very balanced as a faction overall. I haven't seen it on the top of any big tournaments yet. You are correct about the orcs being the real difference. Strength 4 defence 6 going up against strength 3 defence 5 is a big difference. It also really helped that I had a banner and spear supports giving me a lot more attacks

Thanks! Will do!

Thanks again!

It's the best the Troll has ever preformed!

Hopefully it wont be 84 before the next one

That would definetly have been a mistake on my behalf when writing the graphic. The first warband should have one less warrior with spear and shield

In this game there is 'true line of sight' This means that you look from the models eye view and use this to determine if there is anything in the way

These trolls just charge normally so they don't have to go in a straight line. It makes them a whole lot more powerful

Great question, this is one that I got wrong when I first started. All the models in a fight use the highest fight value. However if there are any heroes with might they need to be rolled separately because they can only use might on their own dice rolls

@@ConquestCreations ok so it was what I thought. I just forgot about the last part with using might to modify.

kzk miniatures

Shelob only gets a second attack against Men, Elves, and Dwarves I think. Because "She Hungers for Sweeter Meats"

@@seanowens5423 you're right ! My bad

Good spot. According to Blood and Glory he should have

You can use battle scribe and there are a few other spreadsheets out there but for me nothing beats pencil and paper

They had more shooting, and shelob is faster than the brute, with rerolls to wound. Shagrat + shelob into the brute is likely game over.