Forcing rehab doesn't work since you will only get clean if you want to. It doesn't matter how long you force someone to stay clean since they'll relapse the second they're left on their own.

@@bigman94755 I get your point, but maybe we can just start with just actually having rehab that's accessible and affordable. and don't say there's no money for it because our military gets more than enough money every year

They start using the second their out lol

@@bigman94755 Well that's why you should get them clean and stop their addiction as just the first step. You should focus on building up their lives and giving them the environment and motivation to not relapse.

@@MrNote-lz7lh So then legalise drugs so they CAN have a chance to build their lives without worrying about going to prison, or ODing because some scumbag spiked their dose with fentanyl.

True, we need full legalization. Decriminalization does little

@@chadperry7996 Certainly it does little in comparison to the harm which would result from full legalization...

@@hlysnan6418 not true. Caffeine was almost made illegal in 1914, but the South wanted cocaine banned instead. If that would've happened, people now would be smoking it, snorting it and injecting it. Meth was legal until 1970. It was called the truckers drug. Look up articles from that era.. Meth wasn't really a problem until it was made illegal. Do some research with an open mind and I think that you will reconsider your position

You know I've been a life long Republican. We are so analytical on every topic except when it comes to drugs

The only thing the war on drugs has achieved is to increase violence and promote illegal drug trafficking.

Just because it works in another country dosent mean it would work here

@@keyboardcommando7000Yes it can. Human behavior doesn’t change by the border.

@@republicrebellion4521 Yes it does, Portugal and the US are vastly different in terms of culture and drug issues. In Indonesia its 4-12 Years in prison for drug possession, and death penalty for drug distribution, and they don't have much of a drug problem. If it works there than it must work here right? Behavior doesn't change by the border.

@@keyboardcommando7000 Wait but, you just proved my point. You want drug laws to be stricter, and point to Indonesia. We can do the same that Portugal does in America. The problem is that Oregon didn’t do enough to focus on rehabilitation. They should honestly consider making it mandatory.

@@republicrebellion4521 Pretty sure you missed my point. I was being sarcastic about Indonesia. No one should be locked up for 4-12 years for possession, just as drugs shouldn't be decriminalized. Punishments too harsh wouldn't work here in the US, just as relaxed drugs laws wouldn't work.

Matthew Perry went to "rehabilitation" 16 times. Others multiple times. Why is this your answer?

@@florencemclaughlin3606 You may need permanent restricted living conditions in some cases

@@florencemclaughlin3606 Three strikes(possession charges) and you’re out(escalating prison sentences). Problem solved.

Why do you want to force them to stop doing what they like?

Would it make sense to force you into an education program?

the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.

The drug cartels you are thinking of are Johnson & Johnson, Endo, Teva, and Allergan. The world keeps going after the small time criminals while the real ones get away laughing, while your love ones die from this poison. Waste of time and money, and nothing changes. Everyone pretends to care, but the real killers never get caught just paid lawsuits and fines.

the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.

the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.

Portugal

The plandemic was definitely a part of it

I suppose that’s true, if by that you mean, the politicians took bribes from the pharmaceutical drug company heads in order to find people who use drugs that lost their patent ability due to their age, or to their nature. Yes, more of the same thing our corrupt government has been doing, working for bribe money, and not for the American people.

Nah...these people made the decision to put drugs first. The best way to help, is to do nothing for them...tough love works best

That’s already been addressed - we already have free education, job programs, etc to help people get on the right path. Hence why 95% of people aren’t addicted to drugs. Don’t act like we already haven’t done anything

I watched a guy who has tried to help addicts get off the streets for over 20 years. He said the reality most people dont want to accept is that a lot of thesee people are "broken lightbulbs". The dopamine receptors have been so ruined by drugs they will litterally NEVER be happy living off drugs.

In the year 1700 there was a massive tsunami that ravaged the Oregon coast. This is bad but not as bad as that.

Along with lowering standards in public schools.

@@obscuremusictabs5927 Oregon didn't exist as a state in the year 1700

@@safeandeffectivelol And yet it, in a way, it did.

​@safeandeffec😂😂😂😂😂😂tivelol

Yes only going half way instead of fully legal definitely isn't progress.

@@BobSacamano666 Have you seen canada? Everything in vancouver got legalized and the result is still the same...

@@vinumsabbathi5288 yup, overdose deaths, disease, and locking people up for drugs has all gone down which has saved tons of money for the tax layers of Vancouver.

​@@BobSacamano666Like Offering a Safe Supply. Yes Canada is proposing to be the only drug dealer in town

@@arnowisp6244 good, then they can tax those drugs and use the money to get people into treatment.

I’ve lived through the whole change in Portugal . Their centres are not that advanced but are good . All in all they are still behind the quality of care in the rest of Europe, I have friends that worked in them as well as friends who are addicts which one social worker in drugs moving to Canada as the Portuguese system was very lacking.. The main difference is a cultural one which is why it succeeds in Portugal. Family and societal structure is very strong with a small population and high moral values. American culture is not similar to this at all . There is an entire social welfare system throughout Europe that supports homeless people as well social financing and free health care. If you lose your job in the US and have no where to live life is a lot harder . There is also no fentanyl in Europe and no desire by cartels to sell it. The Portuguese success has been great for Portugal but it’s not succeeded anywhere else for varying reasons which in my perception are societal. They are talking about introducing it into Scotland and it would be a disaster due to societal pressures that addicts their face.

Bingo…..there’s also never really a desire to demonstrate progressive policies work. So it’s a half-assed effort only to go back to spending 50 years doing things conservatives want that we know do not work. 🤷‍♂️

What does Portugal do to people who don't want treatment? Do those not seeking/refusing treatment, just hide their drug use until they're caught & forced to quit?

Of course not, they don't want to pay. They expect the addict, who sometimes has no job or financial resources, to pay for the treatment.

I've noticed some Rehabilitation programs trapping people who are trying to recover into debt slavery.@@lucycan6363

You're absolutely right. The fake "law and order" crowd is now literally State-Forcing drug addicts so-called "pregnancies." More people need to stand up to this insanity. It's NOT "life"! Hell no!

Theft is condemned by God as evil, but using the drugs that God created for us to use is not called, “crime,” by God, or by honest, loving people like myself. You have no right to tell me what drugs I can, and can’t use because of your fear or because of your false beliefs about them. The government is doing something exceedingly evil, they are taking bribes from liars who are headed towards the lake of fire, in order to knock out Big Pharma’s competition. If you don’t appreciate these drugs, I feel sorry for you. Have you never considered how magnificent the coca leaf is? How it treats, altitude sickness better than anything humans have, and so it was made illegal through bribery by people who sold patented altitude, sickness, drugs and painkillers? Have you ever tried heroin? I feel sorry for you if you haven’t. The vast majority of people who use it, don’t get addicted to it, they go on like me, living successful and satisfying, lives as healthy and intelligent people. These drugs don’t get sold by the billions because they’re toxic and evil, they get sold by the tens of billions because they’re awesome and useful. You can’t look at the very worst aspects of drug use, and pretend that this is the normative, that’s a stupid and harmful thing to do.

Everything is backwards in Portland and Seattle. Thats all you need to know.

The liberal way!

Sounds like your saying that we should solve homlessnes and drug addiction by throwing people in jail.

I know a lot of homeless people and none of them live in their own excrement and given the choice they would rather stay on the street then be in jail. Sounds like that would be your choice for them and not theirs. Jail isnt a solution. It actually facilitates more overdoses than it prevents. Research it and youll find im correct.

Not for me NoLoling… don’t take my freedom But u can 🧐

​@@petereasy1973 We need to reopen asylums. They got tons of mental illnesses

And so now you deal with dope fiends somewhere else.

Don't expect them to dig that deep.. it's AMAZING that the figures of homeless deaths are finally out (from 2022 when they started tracking those).. Do you know why the "homeless crisis" is not getting addressed but after the leaves fall and the wind and rain pick up? MANUFACTURED SOLUTIONS FOR MANUFACTURED PROBLEMS.. The mafia we have passing for a government is making $ hand over fist, and it matters little how many tax slaves they pulverize in the process.

I imagine it's similar to California, where alot of homeless are bussed there by Florida and Texas.

I grew up in NY/NJ area and caught a glimpse of Kensington. Glad made it out.

We spend 74 billion in taxes locking people up for drugs every year, so paying these fines is just a drop in the bucket compared to that.

@@BobSacamano666 yes it is a drop. However those drops become gallons very quickly when it happens hundreds of not .more time a month. Every month.

@@jamesmartin4857 doesn't come close to comparing with incarceration.

Fentanyl, heroin, and meth should be stigmatized

Pfizer and the others have immunity. And the patents

Supply and demand, there will just be another king pin in charge. King pins only make enough money to make it worth while for them because drugs are illegal and they can charge that much.

Exactly

It's gaslighting by the "trickle down" mafia mount Everest of Corruption (that owns the media) that has a special interest in Prohibition at all costs to line their pockets. The whole fake "law enforcement" apparatus is a multi billion $$$ industry that thrives on Prohibition and mass incarceration. They don't want to see the US have a successful exit strategy from the total failure of "war on drugs" that they profit from including outright on the drugs themselves. "Law enforcement" in many cases is in bed with the cartels one way or another. The gaslighting "news" owned by "trickle down" mafia has vested interest in portraying this in worst and most simplistic light possible and without any real context like 2020 year enacted was the fn PANDEMIC drug use went up in every city town across the U.S. and the rehabilitation is not yet built out. The "law enforcement" multi billion $$$ industry hates rehabilitation because it does NOT want any competition for tax dollars.

The whole fentanyl epidemic is just payback to the west for Chinas opium wars.

They have and it dont work, its in effect in seattle and the city is falling apart. Go look at down town, AMAZON a seattle business is pulling out of Seattle lol. Not stores the big office building they just built in the last 3 years with a homeless shelter attached. They are moving to cities on the outskirts of seattle that have better enforcment on open drug use and petit crimes.

It doesn't work

Seattle reverse it for them

Because they don't want homeless drug addicts, needles, and foil littering their cities? It's funny that people see the city falling apart and come to the conclusion that every city should be like Portland or San Francisco

How do you legalize fentanyl pills that are made in china?

@Ryan-rp1es you legalize ones made in the US then hopefully that would reduce demand for the ones made in China

Someone should have told you about ibogaine.

the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.

the war on drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars, with drug use being at an all time high. As history shows prohibition does not work and allows criminal organizations to create thriving markets. The land of the free has the worlds largest prison, 2.3 billion dollars. Bigger than communist China's. Half of all inmates are in for non violent drug offenses. It costs tax payers roughly $65,000 per inmate per year to incarcerate them. Do the math on that. And after inmates get out they are felons who can't get a normal job ever again and often have to resort to crime for a living. Speaking of crime, have you ever seen thugs selling alcohol and tobacco on a street corner? Ever hear of a cartel smuggling alcohol or tobacco over the border? Absolutely not. Criminals cannot compete with a legal market. If drugs were legal, and regulated cartels and gangs wouldn't exist. Mexico would no longer be run by them, so they could rebuild their country and immigration would go down. Crime would also go down in the US since drugs are the main source of income for gangs. We could also tax legal drugs and use that money to get people into treatment. Colorado's made tons of weed to help build schools and roads. Also law enforcement would be much safer not needing to focus on the dangerous drug war. That allow them to focus on much more important issues. But keeping drugs illegal obviously hasn't worked and is not working. The US currently consumes over half of the world's illegal drugs. Something need to be rethought here. Legal drugs would also mean they would be much safer since they would be regulated which would save thousands of Americans lives. They would also be much cheaper and easier for an addict to obtain so they don't resort to crime in order to support their habit.

Yes. And many have also moved here because of how liberal Oregon is with tax payer dollars for 'assistance". I've spoken to many have come here from Red states due to getting "more assistance" as they like to call it. Welfare is what it really. Some have even claimed to have been given bus tickets by their local cities as homeless to Porltand. Makes sense.

The prison industry, some of it private, makes 74 billion a year off tax payers for incarcerating drug users. We only spend about 10 billion on rehabilitation.

Not true plenty of people turn their lives around from jail

If a city was plagued with rapists.......... common sense says imprison the rapists.....problem solved If a city was plagued with hard druggies........ common sense says imprison the drug dealers, force the drug users to do community service.... if they decline = prison

Justin beiber poops in the am. Sometimes in the pm as well😮

Plus now he's a felon and can't get a regular job.

Sounds like your friend is shooting up poison Not smart...

People not becoming a felon and then not being able to get a regular job and lives a steady life resorting to crime for a living is a plus.

@@BobSacamano666 Fentanyl users aren't able to maintain regular jobs and resort to life of crime to support their addiction. Most drug charges are misdemeanors and when felonies majority are expunged on completion of rehab programs and probation. Addiction programs need rewards and consequences, as oregon and California are proving with their horribly misguided programs.

not all bald black people look the same.