Origins of Mantis Kung Fu p2 - Emergence of Styles

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Origins of Mantis Kung Fu p2 - Emergence of Styles

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In part 2, we look at the formulation of the various styles in Mantis Kung Fu, focusing on Taiji-Meihua, Seven Star and Hao Family, set against the backdrop of a waning Qing Dynasty and the encroachment of colonial powers on China's coastline. We look at the key figures of Jiang Hua Long, Li Dan Bai, Song Zi De, Hao Lian Ru and Wang Yun Sheng, and how each of these individuals contributed to the development of the styles of Mantis Fist we see today.
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@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

I have decided to take this channel full time, and have several trips to Southeast Asia to film new series coming up. To achieve this, I’d really appreciate your help, by joining www.buymeacoffee.com/monkeysp or purchasing a tshirt from the store tab, or the Shuai Lu tutorial from vimeo.com/ondemand/mantisshuailu . Thanks so much guys, Monkey Steals Peach is only possible coz of all of you!

@jamescobrien 2 жыл бұрын

What is your opinion of southern mantis? Do think it is good to learn along with Northern Tang Lang Quan? Does southern focus on Chin Na like Northern does or is it completely based on like the mantis shrimp? Great videos btw.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

Its a completely different and unrelated style, where the body movement and strategy are totally opposite to northern mantis. I think the two arts would contradict each other and be difficult to practice together

@SanjayGupta-go2yr Жыл бұрын

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@lhh627 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting story, considering that I am a 72 year old man who started in 1964 to practice Tai Chi Praying Mantis as one of the last disciples of Si Phu Chu Chuk Kai (1900- 1994) in Vietnam. During breaks, he told me a pretty different story about the origins of the Praying Mantis style (and the 5 offshoots) which came to be about 20 years after the burning of the Shaolin Temple following the Qin Emperor's orders. But then again, what do I know since my skills are among the worst.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, and original discipline of Master Chu Chuk Kai, salute to you sir!

@lhh627 2 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach Thks. Besides Master Kai's subsequent disciples in Hong Kong, the only 4 from Vietnam left are : my elder Yen Hoa Lee (Grand Rapids Michigan) in his late 80s, my peer Yan (whereabouts unknown) in his mid 70s, my junior brother Xanh (L.A. CA) in his late 60s and myself (Pasadena CA). Regrettably, the Art is dying due to too many charlatans and impersonators.

@lifeishealingdrisom 2 жыл бұрын

This video answered my question on how the 7 Star Mantis System tied into all the cross pollination and various styles of mantis. Thanks!

@MuShinMartialCulture 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff!

@CJ-uf6xl 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely invaluable information, thank you so much, and again good luck with all of your endeavours! Kung Fu for life!

@DAIXINYI 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent work as always, look forward to future installments.

@JimmyPong 2 жыл бұрын

Really impressed with your depth of research! Looking forward to the next part! 👍

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton!

@StimParavane 2 жыл бұрын

Great content and presentation. Keep it coming, I really appreciate what your doing.

@88KUNGFUMAN Жыл бұрын

I am an 8 step mantis stylist and I believe the Plum Blossom style is the oldest sub family of named mantis, with 7 star being the next oldest as Liang Xue Xiang is the oldest verifiable figure after Wang Lang and what Liang taught his students later became known as Plum Flower mantis. Plus the sets in 7 star known as the white ape series were developed later and are not present in Mei Hua.

@prayingmantiskungfuacademy1873 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing! As usual, great content.

@blazink50 2 жыл бұрын

This is great

@theprofessional8966 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@Luca_Montanari79 2 жыл бұрын

As a former student of modern wushu I remember Yu Hai master who is recently passed away. He brought tang lang style inside modern wushu and standardised it according to the need of spreading the style among China and abroad. But I would like to know from which "family" modern mantis took inspiration. Thanks.😊

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

Yu Hai was a Seven Star practitioner, but in his Wushu Mantis form he incorporated aspects of all styles

@Luca_Montanari79 2 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach Thank you 🙂

@jamescobrien 2 жыл бұрын

Why do you think modern wushu was created? I studied original wushu under GM Yang Shuton (Tony Yang) from Taiwan. Ig., our horse stance is completely different than the modern horse stance. Instead of staying in a super wide stance, we squat and hold like sitting on an imaginary stool. The feet are placed about outer shoulder width and are knees are mostly forward but slightly outward facing in original horse stance. As you know in modern horse stance, the knees are facing way off to the sides and thighs really separated. I'm just wondering why you think it was developed into modern style. My guess, it was probably created to incorporate high flying maneuvers that original wushu wasn't capable of. I believe that Monkey Steals Peach players also utilizes the narrow stances.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, modern wushu was created purely for aesthetic

@peterwang5660 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamescobrien You'll find that the cultures and nations of people of color were and are still scrambling to build up nationalism, and after persecuting traditional martial arts the communist party thought "...wait, I kind of want it back" so they took as much of what they could find, handed it over to opera troupes and they created very cool looking forms for us Chinese to be proud of.

@mitch_605 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for documenting this aspect of Chinese history!

@lineyking 2 жыл бұрын

Nice info and videos, can’t wait for the next episode

@darthwolfX2 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for preserving the info

@fredfloyd34 10 ай бұрын

Excellent rendition...fluid....and no ego...will go far...

@jamesdevine6452 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome thanks you as always will 🙏

@ahwai7623 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video series on the origins of mantis kung fu. Please can you do a video on Jiang Hua Long and the creation/history of 8 step praying mantis.

@ruiseartalcorn 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff! Many thanks :)

@thekungfuintellect 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome work! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👊🏽😤

@michaelburnell2803 2 жыл бұрын

Loving it 💗

@SkipinlLA 2 жыл бұрын

Great historical background here in orlando we have a wah lum northern Mantua system which was combined with tan tui .

@WildBillCox13 9 ай бұрын

Liked and shared.

@renounhinged 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting

@KingoftheJiangl 6 ай бұрын

I don't know if you'd made a video summarizing the origins of each style. You can link back to each playlist, might be worth considering. In any case, I'm going to rewatch the xingyi series again, in particular the part about escort racket

@MonkeyStealsPeach 6 ай бұрын

That’s a cool idea, but I do like to dig beyond the typical myths. So would be a huge project

@KingoftheJiangl 6 ай бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach but so little time XD

@simonnaylor7983 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Will, I've been a subscriber for around a month now. I really enjoy your videos. I practise Pak Mei Kung Fu in the Norfolk area. I've also done 4 years of Traditional Wing Chun prior to moving no Norfolk and I've been here for a year now and enjoy Pak Mei more than Wing Chun. I enjoy learning about other Kung Fu Styles such as Taiji Mantis on your channel. Does anyone currently teach Taiji Mantis in UK that you know of?

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

Hey mate. Bak Mei is great, my friend here in Sydney does it and always kicks my ass. Regarding Mantis, I know there is a big Seven Star Association, but don’t know of any Taiji Mantis… it’s unlikely coz we are a pretty small group.

@lelionnoir4523 2 жыл бұрын

There is always the possibility to learn directly from Will, through tutorial videos and personalized feedback. I know a few people are doing it and seem to make great progress.

@Tunks1 2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

@martinmendez789 Жыл бұрын

Nice video!!! Who is the performer in 6:12?? Thanks for share?

@MonkeyStealsPeach Жыл бұрын

Brendan Tunks, a seven star mantis teacher in Canberra, Australia

@VincentCho Жыл бұрын

Wondering if Southern Mantis has different origins, since it doesn't look like these?

@MonkeyStealsPeach Жыл бұрын

Yea totally unrelated. Just coincidental they are both named after an insect

@blackmantis6443 2 жыл бұрын

Great video bruh I am watching lol

@peterwang5660 2 жыл бұрын

there are soooooo many styles that get name dropped that I've NEVER heard of, do they just go extinct or are styles just constantly in a process of merging?

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

A bit of both

@olderjiang7070 2 ай бұрын

你来过莱阳吗

@kylemacarthur9863 Жыл бұрын

Wasn't that karate nerd? He is also on a journey to origins

@azmathahmed2476 2 жыл бұрын

What is the difference between taji mantis and seven star mantis

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

Check out my recent discussion on that topic on the Mushin Martial Culture channel

@SpreadGuts 2 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach Could you give a timestamp? It's a ~2hr long discussion after all

@fujitafunk 2 жыл бұрын

Love the series even though I don’t practice the mantis style or any of it’s branches. I did want to ask though, does any of this series cover Liu He Tang Long or where that emerged from? I know it’s pretty different (but not as different as Southern Mantis). It’s just interesting to see things similarly named but different in execution and practice. Is there any connection at all?

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

I’ll probably do a seperate interview with someone at some point… coz I don’t have any direct experience with it myself I didn’t want to explain it wrongly

@lelionnoir4523 2 жыл бұрын

Byron knows Han Yanwu who learned it with Liu Jingru. Maybe you can start there ?

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

@@lelionnoir4523 there is a guy in Melbourne from Beijing who teaches it, Ive been meaning to go visit him at some point

@lelionnoir4523 2 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach That ought to be easier. I was just secretly craving some more Han Yanwu stuff.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

@@lelionnoir4523 haha, China is staying firmly closed unfortunately

@thunderflower7998 2 жыл бұрын

The daoists there practice any martial arts in the temple?like in Wudang?

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

I've met taoists who practice different styles, just stuff they learnt outside that they like to practice. There is no martial arts practice as part of a curriculum of study in the temples

@thunderflower7998 2 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach thank you ..i have been trying to trace the fact or myth of the origins of some martial arts supposedly heritage of the Daoists....Then I couldn't find out. Whether some monasteries have tai chi zhuan as part of their Daoists studies ...or some monasteries have different Daoists martial arts ..that is in wanted and practiced by them...since the Chen style is supposed to be the first in linage.. before it was copied by Lu Yang...etc...we westerners may be imagining more ...these things... By the way .have you had personal experience of this bioenergy .electrifying you or running as a current and pushing you to the direction of mind intention of the practitioner?upwards .backwards .downwards etc? I enjoy your presentations and look forward to new delving discoveries and analysis!

@MonkeyStealsPeach 2 жыл бұрын

@@thunderflower7998 It's more myth/folklore than actual real origin, so seems unlikely. Most taoists have certain meditative practices that also include movements, similar to Qigong/Neigong

@SpreadGuts 2 жыл бұрын

@@thunderflower7998 Check out the historical roots of Meihuaquan (not to be confused with Meihua Tanglangquan), it has a lot to do with taoist secret societies that later led to the Boxer Uprising.

@thunderflower7998 2 жыл бұрын

@@SpreadGuts any links you can share or provide me i d love to read them.