Why your low end sounds amateur (maybe)

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Underdog Electronic Music School

Underdog Electronic Music School

Күн бұрын

Let's talk about the deep low end, the sub frequencies. Do your subs groove? Are you overengineering your mixdown? Are you stressing the heck out and you are overcomplicating your life?
Chill! Let's play a game & learn how to listen to bass frequencies, and what to listen for to make sure yours sound groovy. In Ableton Live, I'll teach you how to use shelving filters to balance your frequencies, but you can follow along in any DAW.
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Content:
0:00 Let's play a game...
1:03 The cloakroom check
2:15 What bass was best?
4:55 The tools to shape your low end
8:21 What's a polymeter?

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@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 2 жыл бұрын
Find Oscar's video courses here: courses.underdog.brussels 🖤🖤🖤 Join the Underdog Discord channel: discord.gg/z5N9CTA 👾👾👾 Follow Face the Sun here: soundcloud.com/face-the-sun-be 🌻🌻🌻 Pledge to the Patreon: ​ www.patreon.com/underdogmusicschool 🌱🌱🌱
@thedarknight5714
@thedarknight5714 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, Oskar. I have recently gotten into music production. I'm very confused about sidechaining multiple tracks from one track. Is there a way to put one sidechained compressor on one track but then have that one compressor work on multiple tracks? Have you already made a video about this that I could maybe watch? By the way, you're my favorite producer/teacher on KZfaq and your videos have already helped me immensely. Thank you, from Portugal :)
@qracle
@qracle 2 жыл бұрын
@@thedarknight5714 I'm curious to hear Oscar's answer as well, but what I have done is use a separate, silent, very transient track to act as a trigger for multiple elements to be side-chained, to keep them all in sync. You can also route all tracks you want to be effected by one common side-chained compressor to a separate bus, before routing them the master. 💪🎶
@michaelleenen2634
@michaelleenen2634 2 жыл бұрын
@@thedarknight5714 I hope I understand your question correctly.. but I suppose you want one compressor ducking (sidechain compress) multiple tracks. If you make a group channel and put a sidechain compressor on it, you can route all the channels you like throught that compressor. grtz
@thedarknight5714
@thedarknight5714 2 жыл бұрын
@@qracle TBH I have no idea what a bus is or what it does (or how to route to a master XD) I've heard people mention it on many occasions but I've never seen anyone explain it. That's mia culpa, though. Thank you for the tip, man. :)
@thedarknight5714
@thedarknight5714 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelleenen2634 Oh I actually already do that. Probably not how it's meant to be done though ha ha. I think that the other commenter's idea involving a bus is worth looking into, however. Thanks for the advice, bro. :)
@Chadderbox
@Chadderbox 2 жыл бұрын
iPhone users are watching this video and wondering where the music is
@thewedge8823
@thewedge8823 2 жыл бұрын
it drives me nuts how some producers can get their bass so HUGE, yet it sounds clear and clean, and it doesn't disrupt any other sounds in the mix. how the hell
@deepshite8229
@deepshite8229 Жыл бұрын
Tell me about it
@Flux_One
@Flux_One Жыл бұрын
It's probably all in the mastering
@020halo
@020halo Жыл бұрын
@@Flux_One mixing
@Flux_One
@Flux_One Жыл бұрын
@@020halo both
@FredTRZ
@FredTRZ Жыл бұрын
@@Flux_One It all starts at production stage. Sound design choices , frequency balance, mix. Mastering is just to polish stuff that is already good
@lionheartglass
@lionheartglass 2 жыл бұрын
You inspire me so much. I have been wondering in the dark without realizing it. You make difficult concepts so clear and simple. I can't thank you enough. I hope you have a wonderful day.
@joshuarogers8466
@joshuarogers8466 2 жыл бұрын
Well said 👍
@AlexFarleyMusic
@AlexFarleyMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Wondering or wandering?
@lionheartglass
@lionheartglass 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexFarleyMusic Both:)! Loll 😁👍😎
@thegoodgeneral
@thegoodgeneral 2 жыл бұрын
My instincts were wrong about this even though my perception was accurate. I felt 1) was natural sounding and clean, 2) had a “pumping” effect that I personally find nauseating, and 3) had a flat, inoffensive bed of bass that never prodded you or jostled you around. But your explanation and elaboration on why 2) is indeed the most desirable option for a club setting-something I’m not familiar with admittedly -were both so clear and well-organized, I was convinced. You are an excellent communicator. Subscribed.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying that! However, I’m only putting forward one argument for why 2 is best, it’s totally a judgement call and tastes differ, I think it’s just cool to be able to put words on it so you can make decisions that suit your taste!
@Drewbyy
@Drewbyy 2 жыл бұрын
The thing is though being an art it’s totally subjective and you can make what you want. Though if you had been shown the examples on a bigger system you may come to the same conclusion on 2 being the better more balanced mix. Still music is about making what you like and sometimes break the ‘rules’ is a way of coming up with something original and unique. I personally love reverb heavy mixes that break the rules on having the wet just there. Then I go can shape and side chain bits of the wet signal to make it work and not muddy up the mix. Breaking the rules then coming up with my own way of making work a d sort be back in the rules again. Trust your instincts I’d say and experiment. Sometimes though it’s worth checking and really analysing the mixes of who you aspire to and see what your missing.
@itstobitan
@itstobitan 2 жыл бұрын
Oscar, not the first time I'm impressed by your videos. It's not the content of your lessons, it is your perspective on music production and the way you approach solutions to all the issues. Really worth following and I recommend your channel as often I can.
@yohann44
@yohann44 2 жыл бұрын
maybe best video ever for this channel
@GS-cl8eg
@GS-cl8eg 2 жыл бұрын
it's not even my genre, but this has been so helpful. really great content especially compared to other vids! that last shelf tip was pure gold. also nice that you gave a actual reference when it comes to the kick and bass instead of "just use your ears"
@VivanteMixes
@VivanteMixes 2 жыл бұрын
i watched this quick video and loaded up an old project of mine to help balance the low end and it helped a lot. the best part of the video was how he shows 3 different low ends, PLAYS IT and talks about it AS it is playing so as to show ppl what to listen for. That one thing really trains your ear a lot more than someone just talking about it. After checking my own low end, it sounded much more balanced, great channel
@soifpls
@soifpls 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the 2nd one best, there's like something "elastic" to it while the kick stays powerful. I find the same appeal as in tracks like Pablo Bozzi - Hotswitch.
@Decoy303
@Decoy303 2 жыл бұрын
yeah I immediately was like #2 is butter.
@simonkendrick762
@simonkendrick762 2 жыл бұрын
Your tuition videos are so good and clear to understand . Thank you for all your help 🙏
@artvandelay2731
@artvandelay2731 2 жыл бұрын
Best tip I ever got from KZfaq by far. Gives a great starting point for fitting kick and bass, sometimes nothing else is needed. Thanks!
@m1ndfox
@m1ndfox 2 жыл бұрын
Oscar, the quality of these videos are just headed through the roof. Great work man, very very inspiring. Thanks!
@LuCrow528
@LuCrow528 2 жыл бұрын
The content here is always right to the point. No frills. Thank you.🙏
@busliferecords5815
@busliferecords5815 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Oscar. That is still a valuable refresher to an advanced producer. Yes, its true id forgotten this basic mindset and been using 'clever' techniques rather than doing the groundwork properly. Much appreciated as are many of your videos. Thanks Lee
@KieranThompsonMusic
@KieranThompsonMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, just wanted to say I've learnt so much from your videos. They are incredible and make such complex topics simple. Thank you for everything, you've brought me to a new level producing wise.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Kieran :)
@whenuleastexpectit
@whenuleastexpectit 2 жыл бұрын
This is something I found helped a lot while mixing a full length album for the first time. Hip-hop stuff with lots of samples and unseparated drum loops so the EQ was my best friend when trying to balance layers on a track, especially in the low end. Well done video and super helpful tip I wish I learned sooner. Take his advice!!
@marlon_fm
@marlon_fm Жыл бұрын
OMG!!! My musical production journey is pretty recent (2-3 years) and I can't believe this is the first time I see this trick. So powerful! Thanks a lot Oscar.
@lukeautosymbol2668
@lukeautosymbol2668 2 жыл бұрын
I knew when I heard the correct example that it was the "best" sounding one, but on headphones the loudest one is the most fun. Sounds that break rules are very enjoyable to make and listen to on smaller setups--but if done to the extreme, they can end up damaging sound equipment. That's the problem with production and mixing...you're playing with raw energy.
@TheValueOfN
@TheValueOfN 2 жыл бұрын
@AD Shyn Would releasing various different mixes for various different situations be a practically-legitimate way of covering all of the bases? The pun was not intended. Surely, it's incredibly difficult to create one mix to rule them all. Could the time and effort spent in creating a "Phone Mix", "Club/Mono Mix", "Car Mix", "Closed-Back Headphone Mix", "Open-Back Headphone Mix", "Spotify Mix", "Audiophile Mix", etc. be viable?
@ncshuriken
@ncshuriken 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheValueOfN Really you want to just aim to mix your tracks to sound transparent & consistent on whatever they're played on, from little casual in ear buds to decent headphones, from "average" to good speakers; mix so it sounds as good with a subwoofer as it does without (if you don't low cut the "unwanted, often inaudible subs" in all the channels that contain them (EQ with spectrum shows us they're everywhere), it will totally mess up your balance and "frequency range", and a subwoofer (unlike average speakers, or in ear buds) will bring any "actually audible unwanted subs" right in your face (even though the same track "seems" to sound "fine" on systems with less low end range). An EQ with an analyzer (EG Fabfilter Pro-Q) will "visually show you" a lot of simple mix errors which will allow you more time to focus on things you need to "mix by ear". Throw an EQ on your master channel, look at the spectrum. Is it relatively flat, solid and loud? Or are peaks moving around like crazy with a lot of dynamic range? Is it showing way more low end than mids/highs (downward slope) even though it "doesn't sound overly bassy & muddy"? If so, you're gonna hear that on a system with more range, even if you can't hear it at home. As you mute/solo different channels, you constantly see how each one directly affects the master mix EQ readout (this way you can easily find that 1 element causing problems). I find (usually atleast) that if the spectrum on your master EQ "looks good", it will often sound good (purely EQ & levels wise) when you take it to other speakers. Even without "often essential" stuff like compression, just some careful EQ'ing and levelling can go a huge way. I like to put an EQ on more or less everything just to "probe/test" (put an EQ on 30 channels, and 28 of them WILL have unwanted subs, even sounds with zero audible low end, EG hi-hats, or singing birds); if I can't "hear" if it needs EQ'ing, I can "see" it. I think if we rely only on "visual mixing" we could lose the ability to "mix by ear", but if you use both together, mixing INO becomes so much easier!
@trippdaly8262
@trippdaly8262 2 жыл бұрын
This tip is a game changer for me at the moment. Super focused on how I can improve low end lately. Cheers!
@Pharmacymusic1
@Pharmacymusic1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this is the most clear and easy to follow tutorial on low end I've seen!
@TehDawg
@TehDawg 2 жыл бұрын
For over a decade I have constantly over-complicated this subject. I knew it had to be so much simpler than how I was imagining. This is absolutely perfect and has broke down and confirmed all the things I knew I should/shouldn’t have been doing!!! Wicked video and I instantly subscribed. Easy to follow and to the point. Thanks mate!!!
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 2 жыл бұрын
🥰
@TeddBamBolero
@TeddBamBolero 2 жыл бұрын
MANNN TY SO MUCH FOR THE TUTORIAL✌ BIG BIG RESPECT 🖤 I CANNOT BELIVE THAT SO SIMPLE TECHNIQUE COULD BE SO POWERFUL
@NicoEfstratiou
@NicoEfstratiou 2 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite video of yours to date. Awesome editing, engaging and great analysis. Great stuff
@TheNanologue
@TheNanologue Жыл бұрын
Thanks man. Really helpful videos. I’ve been working way my through a few recently. It’s funny how you spend years chasing your tail and then someone gives you a method which just makes complete sense. Subscribed. 👍🏻
@AnthonyHuttley
@AnthonyHuttley 2 жыл бұрын
This is unbelievable. Thanks for the tips. So simple, yet, such a game changer. I'll be using this for sure.
@MrMatthewKerr
@MrMatthewKerr 2 жыл бұрын
I used to side chain the bejesus out of all kicks. Then i went down to Multi band, and even lighter multi band. This video is really great to give me the confidence to worry even less with certain masking (it can jsut be a nice blend). TRULY, thanks again Mate. I really hope one day i see you pottering around Berlin, so i can say thanks in person. Your channel has strengthened so many concepts i thought i knew well, and taught me many new things.
@ohshowbeats
@ohshowbeats Жыл бұрын
I like this thought. I've watched million of tutorials over the years and no one has ever given such a simple option with kick and bass. I'm gonna try it today. Thanks!
@macks_dm
@macks_dm 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff as usual! TYWM Oscar. Just to add : this is the first time I saw you dancing than actually just grooving! No matter what ... You Rock!!!!
@Hyst44
@Hyst44 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man. Great tips, explained in a way that my ADD doesn't get triggered. 🤘
@Death_Rave
@Death_Rave 2 жыл бұрын
Wow man, I love how with the shelf filter part you really explained it at every level and demonstrated it making sure even a person barely paying attention could still understand
@patrickrowe6745
@patrickrowe6745 Ай бұрын
Where exactly are the 2 shelves filters placed? Is it on the bass, on the kick or on the master?
@WNxExectechWarriorNation
@WNxExectechWarriorNation 2 жыл бұрын
This is an incredibly simple and straight forward explanation of balancing frequency clashing of the kick(bass) drum and bass.
@ignaciojimenez4786
@ignaciojimenez4786 2 жыл бұрын
Thank youuu this is one more little piece to achieve full and satisfying compositions
@jpmayeur
@jpmayeur 2 жыл бұрын
gracias Dog , always good tips for all kind of levels
@gotborgmusic
@gotborgmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Best advice EVER ! My low end sound so professional right now ! Thank you so much man !
@burn_after_reading
@burn_after_reading 2 жыл бұрын
Really good vid! Loving what you said about some masking being good and the effortlessness of not over complicating the mix translates in the feeling of the track :)
@DimMorock
@DimMorock 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Great thanks you! A years of practice archived in one suggestion. Really clear and simple.
@elcemuziq8514
@elcemuziq8514 5 ай бұрын
FINALLY! The right explanation along with demonstrating the process. Thanks for this information. Subbed
@SoulsticeHiphopbeats
@SoulsticeHiphopbeats 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much man this was so helpful ive been having a hard time mixing my low end for the longest time. that shelf and cloakroom check technique is goated.
@donniedorko3336
@donniedorko3336 2 жыл бұрын
Needed to hear this. Thank you!
@Timotejovic
@Timotejovic 2 жыл бұрын
this video is gamechanging for me. Helps me a lot with this case. Thank you so much. God bless you ;)
@iamm3109
@iamm3109 2 жыл бұрын
Literally never thought it would be that simple, thank you so much!!
@sramirez1906
@sramirez1906 2 жыл бұрын
Great material, Oscar. Very clear and concise. Thanks!
@monu-zg6ql
@monu-zg6ql 2 жыл бұрын
i can't tell you how useful is this! thanks.
@konnelius
@konnelius Жыл бұрын
i love you for doing these... thank you.
@kentonmusic
@kentonmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Using these shelfs filters in tandem with a cloak room check really has made my low end sound good! Thank you Oscar!
@secondnatureful
@secondnatureful 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video yet again. Thanks Oscar, Don't stop; this is incredible content!
@jeronimocliff2972
@jeronimocliff2972 2 жыл бұрын
Videos getting better and better, respect
@MiracleDee
@MiracleDee Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos ! Thanks .
@Rhekluse
@Rhekluse 2 жыл бұрын
Clean editing, visuals & production. I like your overall energy & content too. Great video, Oscar!
@prodigy_xd
@prodigy_xd 7 ай бұрын
Good idea. I will try that today. Thank you
@neoromatik
@neoromatik 7 ай бұрын
As usual, great Oscar! Useful tips, good explanation, clear demonstration in Ableton. Thanks!
@Milan-de9fp
@Milan-de9fp 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is still so underated! Thanks for this awesome content
@dreamlandsociety5842
@dreamlandsociety5842 2 жыл бұрын
This new style of making your videos is so much better. It really takes this channel to another level. Congratz for that. I think that despite the very useful information of your previeous videos the visual design lowered the precieved quality. You re on the right way I think.
@alphastar5626
@alphastar5626 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the adivce!! Settings the gain of each clip right makes the whole mixing easier after!! I use a lot the Multiband Dynamics of Ableton while mixing for compression AND expansion, but I never thought about using it as a 3 shelf filter Low/Mid/High! It will certainly make my mixing easier and better ! Awesome video again thanks
@ginxbeatz8591
@ginxbeatz8591 2 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best low end video I ever did see in my entire music production career
@delioIRL
@delioIRL 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! So much help and you're amazing at explaining things!
@nards1341
@nards1341 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos so much dude, you are an absolute legend mate
@martinzokov
@martinzokov 2 жыл бұрын
So many people talk a bout mixing your low-end properly but that was the best explanation I've seen.
@Livingwithdirt
@Livingwithdirt 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your videos dude!!!!
@nlpascal
@nlpascal 2 жыл бұрын
Cool, I've been working on this problem the last few days. This was helpful. I end up side chaining a filter with the kick signal. Really makes the kick pop while having insane bass at the same time.
@thestever
@thestever 2 жыл бұрын
the filter that youre sidechaining to the kick--is it a low pass filter or a high pass thats being engaged when the kick hits?
@wadehathawaymusic
@wadehathawaymusic 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, keep it simple. I put alot of energy and time into the sound design and capture and don't want to get bogged down in mixing. I like your approach focusing on straightforward but highly effective processing.
@DouglasWidick
@DouglasWidick 2 жыл бұрын
I liked this clip! I usually prioritize using a side chain but I love the idea of shelving to carve. thanks for the clip!
@krasi9492
@krasi9492 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the amazing video! Great help
@michaelandrewgarcia96
@michaelandrewgarcia96 2 жыл бұрын
A brilliantly down-to-earth tip. Thank you!
@kurdonoid
@kurdonoid 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Oscar, very valuable tutorial here. Simple, effective and stress-free!
@BlakeRubelle
@BlakeRubelle Жыл бұрын
LOW END #2 was my favorite. Oscar you have such a clear and to the point method of explaining things that I didn't know I found confusing. Thank you. Hearing and simply remembering that low end always needs to exhibit a clear priority between the kick and the bass but they must still work together and compliment each other by grooving as a whole and "Masking is not your enemy"... Plus the 'CloakRoom Check'! Such a good tool, so helpful, thanks again for the knowledge.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog Жыл бұрын
Cheers Blake 😁
@dmitrys6889
@dmitrys6889 2 жыл бұрын
Damn! That's a golden! I will start using this tip.... much love ! Thank you!
@vincentizghra6144
@vincentizghra6144 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't learned so many things so quickly in a long time. Your approach is phenomenal. I get everything you say and hear it, but it wasn't in my mixing perception. Thanks for the lesson
@gm-heaven
@gm-heaven 2 жыл бұрын
Monday is now best day of the week, thanks Oscar for your Monday videos 👏
@lukasgruber1280
@lukasgruber1280 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for offering simple solutions
@SlowBookings
@SlowBookings 2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t learned that quick since Andre Salata’s classes! Love from Brazil! 💜
@ozziereaker
@ozziereaker 5 ай бұрын
so happy to find Your channel ! GOLD
@joao4333
@joao4333 2 жыл бұрын
i apprecciate your editing so much :)
@Themosaicsound
@Themosaicsound 2 жыл бұрын
Hi people, here's a gem for you. When making dance records destined for the club, keep your kicks short as possible. Think of it as a transient more than a long boom sound. Clubs aren't treated like our studios. The shorter the kick the less flabby it will sound in a club environment.
@eljardindelos
@eljardindelos Жыл бұрын
i have found pure gold.. amazing content, thank u so much
@jeffrey.a.hanson
@jeffrey.a.hanson 2 жыл бұрын
The filter idea is stupidly simple but genius. While I play and write in a Mayer style pop blues or in country, there’s a lot to take from the groove and separation in the low end found in electronic music that keeps people moving on the dance floor.
@willievaughn6474
@willievaughn6474 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir, you're a blessing
@ASWJ11
@ASWJ11 2 жыл бұрын
" In You We Trust " Thanks so much for sharing this.
@l2a2
@l2a2 Жыл бұрын
Excellent points and bass frequencies demistified,so well explained, nice one Oscar!!
@nathanspark4876
@nathanspark4876 2 жыл бұрын
...man, I love Techno, and I love U! THANX for your amazing work!!! Wish u a happy Techno life :)
@MvnStn
@MvnStn 2 жыл бұрын
This was great! And, as stated by others, this rings true across many genres! Thanks!
@i.syntaxerror
@i.syntaxerror 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful and clearly explained topic. Key words are really helpful and makes whole video pleasant.
@seekohn3022
@seekohn3022 2 жыл бұрын
Great technique there. Thanks. And great video quality.
@MartyMcFlyTop1
@MartyMcFlyTop1 2 жыл бұрын
Ultra cool and the most thing - just simple!! Thank you)
@rudothorne1
@rudothorne1 2 жыл бұрын
Your contents are clear and very comprehensive, thank you
@dreamyfoxboy4859
@dreamyfoxboy4859 Жыл бұрын
very nice use for the shelf, never seen this done before!
@grigorescupetru563
@grigorescupetru563 2 жыл бұрын
This tutorial was so great, I always struggled with bass when producing
@robinplur
@robinplur 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@lordlucan7348
@lordlucan7348 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff mate. Many thanks
@thomasschwartz5059
@thomasschwartz5059 Жыл бұрын
Smart 'n simple tips man, the best approach for an awesome tutor
@amedbeats
@amedbeats 2 жыл бұрын
Your explanations are so clear man props
@xradical89x
@xradical89x 2 жыл бұрын
so simple and so useful. thank you!
@minimalmayhem
@minimalmayhem 2 жыл бұрын
Super simple and demystifying. Thanks Oscar!
@ValenteVillanuevaMusic
@ValenteVillanuevaMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial! Thank you!
@dbdbdb12345
@dbdbdb12345 2 жыл бұрын
thank you !!!!! love your videos !
@nealehanvey4825
@nealehanvey4825 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video yet again.
@DoctorBeees
@DoctorBeees 2 жыл бұрын
Incredibly clear and well presented thoughts
@MrKeitfoster
@MrKeitfoster 2 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial! Simple things work! Thank you for reminding!
@redpeople2192
@redpeople2192 2 жыл бұрын
Another piece of gold - i love the idea of the cloakroom filter. Something i will definitely use
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