I can totally agree with the Iron Man part. So many good songs fell into that catagory of being overplayed, just like Metallica's Enter sandman and Lynyrd Skynyrds Free Bird. I use to like them but after hearing them a million times I feel like I can pass on them for the rest of my life and still hear them in my head

The literal, very first song that popped into my head was "Rock N Roll Doctor."

Good discussion about some of the Never Say Die album. Ozzy's singing is absolutely astonishing on that album - I think.

Listening to two Sabbath lovers discuss Sabbath is magical. All I was missing was a beer. Ok, no I wasn't.

1. God is Dead 2. Changes 3. Paranoid 4. Rock and Roll Doctor 5. Over to You My Favorites with Oz 1. Wheels of Confusion 2. Solitude 3. National Acrobat 4. the Writ 5. Backstreet Kids

1. End of the Beginning 2. God is Dead? (I do like 13, but not those 2 tracks) 3. Paranoid (overheard and not great to begin with) 4. Iron Man (great track but burnt out) 5. Psycho Man/ Selling my Soul (don't really care for them). Frankly the rest is just outstanding. And to be fair, I think that the 8 bonus tracks off 13 would have made a much better album than the actual 13, not such a rehash of their first 4 albums. Cheers.

Simple. Pick any five off of 13.

In Changes i like the contrast between the mellotron and bass

My bottom 5(this was tough) 5. Selling My Soul 4. Rock n roll Doctor 3. Take Me home 2. Am I Going Insane 1. Scary Dreams (there's a reason it didn't get formally released).

1. Changes 2. Rock and Roll Doctor 3. Never Say Die 4. Hard Road 5. It's Alright

5. She's Gone 4. Rock & Roll Doctor 3. Planet Caravan 2. Am I Going Insane? (Radio) 1. Changes

I love Changes.

I agree with John about Bill and if he were on 13. It would have been a very different album and most likely for the better with Bill's input and I also agree that Damaged Soul is the best cut on the record.

i still can't believe am i goin insane was put on we sold our souls

Whiskey, I ruined myself o that in high school, haven't been able to drink it since. I like Methandemic, and pretty much most of the 8 tracks that didn't make up the core 8 songs from 13. I seem to like 13 more than many Sabbath purists. I'm still thinking about my 5. I love any Sabbath discussion, even picking on negatives.

Who Are You is a Trippy Pink Floyd type song. I always thought of the song as Electric Funeral part 2 with Synthesizer instead of guitar. It was the last Psyche Rock song from Black Sabbath.

Planet Caravan is a great Black Sabbath slab of acidrock. I think a lot of younger fans cannot comprehend that Black Sabbath was an acidrock band playing some of the heaviest tunes ever recorded. They jumped the shark in 1976 with that crappy pop metal Technical Ecstacy. What a steaming pile of crap that was. Their live shows were still good but the band was on its last legs. Saw them in Dec. 1976 in Niagara Falls N.Y. with Ted Nugent as the opener, good show you can see on KZfaq. Saw them again with Ozzy in Toronto in 1999.

yea they do play RR Doctor often on Sirius,

Super video, guys. A pleasure to watch and learn. My intro to Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die was that weird compilation called Rock Legends. Strangely it was only a compilation of those two albums. But it is probably the reason those two records are still my top two Sabbath releases. Heard/know of that compilation? Not sure what year it was released.

1. Evil woman 2. It's Alright 3. FX 4. She's gone 5. Changes

I get what you're saying about Zeitgeist. But I view it as a sequel to Planet Caravan, and I think it's ok.

I do like Live Forever, as well as the four tunes on The End. Not only that, i hear a lot of people saying those four tunes should have been on the main record. I'm surprised you felt that negatively about those four.

" Like shining a light on my eyeball" lol

Rock 'N' Roll Doctor over Who Are You? That's crazy, haha.

Interesting comments there. I like the 13 album and bonus tracks and it’s a great contrast to the devil you know style which I also like. Technical ecstasy has only 3 faster songs, if you don’t listen to rock n roll doctor the album will be a slow tougher listen.

I hate changes and planet caravan .I don’t need to hear paranoid again .I have no idea if 13 sucks because I just don’t listen to it even though I bought it the first day it was out .

Goatsnakes cover of who are you is excellent - put in the riffs that shouldve been in the original - the mash up with good the bad the ugly footage on youtube is awesome

Great show guys. By the way I have an updated theory on the delayed release of other Ozzy box sets if they do in fact plan to release them. The new Ozzy album? Might be waiting for that. Just a thought. Ps. It’s just a shame Bill wasn’t apart of 13. Sabbaths legacy is just too big for that.

All my choices must be from 13 ,the worst Black Sabbath album.

Great topic guys, I have to exclude "13" from the list, as all 5 would be from that album. 1.) She's gone.... The strings are overkill. But the demo version on the box set, where you can hear the drums is not on the list 2.) Changes... The bright G major key & arpeggiating does not go well with the blues lyrics. 3.) Hard Road... The shuffle upbeat feel, scat style with heavy lyrics just does not go well together. 4.) St. Vitus dance... The 1st riff too country, the verse & bridge riff is real good, but they lyrics are cringe. relationship advice is not why I got into sabbath. 5.) Planet Caravan... It's good, it's just not a go to sabbath song. I haven't sought out to hear it in decades The worst sabbath songs are still better than countless other bands best songs.

Here goes: 1. Breakout (EASILY the worst) 2. Changes (barf) 3-5. Swingin' the Chain, Over to You, Shockwave (Not terrible, just very "meh") Edit: forgot “Am I Going Insane” …thanks for the reminder lol. Great show guys!

Here's my least favorite from each Ozzy-led album (some of these I really like): Wicked World Rat Salad Solitude Under The Sun (FX was too easy) Fluff Am I Going Insane (Radio) She's Gone (I have to say I think Technical Ecstasy is vastly underrated and nearly flawless) Shockwave Zeitgeist (absolutely right on this one)

I agree 100% about your assessment of ‘13’. I was so disappointed when it came out because it’s like they forgot everything they had created, and why. It’s like they did it just to do it. The REAL final Sabbath for me is ‘The Devil You Know’. We’re talking about THE Black Sabbath. They’re better than that… and they deserved better than Rick Rubin. They needed Bill, and they needed someone like Andy Sneap. I’m still not over it. That is not how you end a legendary career. They likely knew exactly what Bill Ward was going to think. It’s beneath them, like you said. At least ‘Forbidden’ was original. That’s saying a lot.

Mine would be 1. Changes 2. Hard Road 3. FX (pointless) 4. Evil Woman (Don’t Play Your Games With Me) a cover but a filler song 5. Its Alright

Hard Road is Black Sabbath doing It's a Small World After All

5. Never Say Die 4. Am I Going Insane 3. Back Street Kids 2. Rock 'N' Roll Doctor 1. FX

Meehan really did Sabotage Sabbath by putting "Am I Going Insane" on "We Sold Our Souls For Rock N Roll" didn't he?

I 100% doubt that Bill not being there has anything to do with creativity. That was money/contractual.

Changes Solitude She's Gone Am I Going Insane FX

Hard Road is my favorite Sabbath song. Lol.

I'm going to pull a Rich Catino here......lol.....and pick EVERY SONG off of Never Say Die album except the title track which I like......sorry I just don't like the the album to me it's boring and lifeless and its just the band going through the motions actually to put it in context for me it sounds like a Black Sabbath solo album (if that makes sense) with special guest vocalist Ozzy Osbourne

It's the drums on methademic just straight driving the open hats and snare the entire song.

Without including instrumentals or Bill Singing (Swinging the Chain) but including 13 era 5 Selling my Soul 4 St. Vitus Dance 3 Pariah 2 Dear Father 1 Peace of Mind Original Band only during the classic era in the 70s (not a cover: Evil Woman)(much more difficult to choose) 5 Rock and Roll Doctor 4 Who are You? 3 Gypsy 2 Changes 1 St. Vitus Dance

would be interesting to do this again but only the first 6 albums and no instrumentals or soft songs For me that be in no order wicked world, paranoid, after forever, who are you and looking for today

All of the ‘13’ album…

Not a big fan of Zeitgeist either, but it's not horrible, def not offended by it.

Yeah what's up with Never Say Die? Thank God they dropped the background vocals crap. Like you mentioned Hard Road, Swinging the Chain, Shock Wave all have the cringe worthy background vocals. What a strange one off never before never again happening in their catalog.

Anyone out there in cyber space that considers I3 their favorite Black Sabbath album ?

did ozzy actually play piano on changes?

For me it’s definitely Embryo. God, it’s like he’s not even singing.

I think Rubin had them listen to the first album not the first 3.And anything negative on 13 I blame on him and his brainless ideas.

All my least favorite Ozzy era songs are on 13

Who are you?, am I going insane?, it’s alright, air dance, swinging the chain (was this one even a demo, sounds like jamming with no production at all haha, atrocious).

Planet caravan / into the void /never say die / changes / solitude

If Air Dance made your list you would need some serious help

never liked changes. easily their worst song ever. planet caravan was so mellow. not one of my favorites either

Am I Going Insane blows.

Agree on Changes. Hard Road is boring. Swinging The Chain is one of the worst songs recorded ever by any band.

What a metal elitist not liking synthesizer on who are you

13 is easily the worst Sabbath album in my ranking... So, from the original run: 1. Rock 'N' Roll Doctor 2. Hard Road 3. Changes 4. Who Are You? 5. She's Gone Having said that, I would be happy to never have to sit through N.I.B. again for the rest of my life.

These are the only Ozzy era songs I don't dig God is Dead? = Boring, Boring, Boring End of the Beginning = see above Hard Road = never cared for this one Psycho Man = Lame Zeitgeist = Shame shame shame Dishonorable mention Selling My Soul = Like Psycho Man not worthy of the Sabbath name when its just Tony and Ozzy

5 Least Favorite Black Sabbath Songs:* 1. Paranoid 2. Paranoid 3. Paranoid 4. Paranoid 5. Paranoid *Not including everything on 13 which are the worst songs in the Sabbath catalog by a mile.

All of 13 is worst, the whole album is just crappy rewrites of good songs. That and Rock n Roll Doctor, Sabbath doing a boogie song disgusts me.

The Worst Of Black Ozzy Sabbath: A Compilation for The Masses Vol 1 1. St Vitus Dance 2 cornucopia 3 Shockwave 4 Ironman 5 Psycho Man 6 Selling My Soul 7 The End Of The Beginning 8 Dear Father 9 Pariah 10. Mathemademic Bonus Track : Johnny Blade Album Produced by Cocaine and Rick Rubin.

Aside from a few tracks the last 2 Sabbath records are pretty much garbage.

Pretty simple most of side two Never Say Die. There’s nothing before that I can think of that I truly don’t like. Evil Woman is pretty weak I guess. Whatever album they did about 10 years ago without Ward never bothered with. that doesn’t even register as a real album to me.

rock no roll doctor sucks! technical ecstasy is the worst old school album--- but i won't even listen to 13 anymore.