Henry, have a virtual cookie Your comment was Gold

Good crap can grow produce large, terrible crap can clutter your shelves,but it's your crap and you love it anyway,why else would you buy the crap in the first place,lol

Speak softly but carry a big stick has been a winning strategy throughout human history. Make it more worthwhile to trade with you than attack you.

If it's like the Ozarks putting on a pot of coffee isn't good either

* Capitalist Societies in a nutshell

God that movie was so awful. Every single scene was broken.

@@GoblinKnightLeo What movie?

@@eXpriest Ben Lyons comment was a joke about one of the stupidest scenes in _The Last Jedi._ The writing in that movie is indefensibly stupid, and the dialogue is no better.

@@GoblinKnightLeo out of context, the line is fine. In context... You don't want to hear it in context.

"War! You crazy? You don't go to war with humans! Or anyone who has that industrial capabilities really."

You should consider expanding this story and posting it to hfy subreddit you might get it read by our beloved narrator

Seconded

@@persivle9 I third this notion.

I adore this. After all, it's a great way to kill a star about to super nova.

What can be bigger that destroying mass? DESTROYING ENERGY OBVIOUSLY!

:)

notice me, Daddy!

yup

Really captures the pioneer spirit that all humans seem to have deep down

I'm not even joking that I would absolutely do that in a heartbeat? Things not going to well? Fuck it I have nothing keeping me here, I'mma go plop my house on a rock and dig all day for ores.

I would do this with many of my friends. "Give us what we pay for, and leave us alone." Edit spelling

@@calsifer666 Its one hell of a way to get away from the In Laws, or that crazy ex!!

@@calsifer666 that sounds like Minecraft but IRL. as it appears, the kids do yearn for the mines...

indeed

It wasn't a war it was humans with their shopping carts picking up deposit bottles so they could go buy some hooch.

"The only good news I can offer you is that we are not at war." (This is the best quote from the entire story IMO.)

Maybe we _would_ have noticed if they hadn't disguised their ships as tasty morsels of raw materials. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Military and economy. What they have in common? NUMBERS RULE DARN IT!

If numbers don't rule your clearly not using big enough numbers!

Not "they can" they already have, on three occasions. LOL

CAPITALISM, is quite contagious

Resources more than money.

Humanity: Shut up and take our money. Aliens: We are not even. Humanity: We don't care. Aliens: Ok. Welcome to Galaxy Mart.

@@gmradio2436 I need 52 billion left handed 15MM widgets and one hyperdrive. What aisles do I find them on?

@@kennethhummel4409 Alien 1: aisle 1238, sir. Human: Alright. [Walks that way.] Alien 2: Boss, there is no aisle 1238, or those left hand do-hickies. Alien 1: There will be by the time he gets there.

@@gmradio2436 well it took me 2 days to walk to this aisle! I slept in your tube hotel on aisle 876 and ate a complimentary bowl of people chow. Can you help me load these widgets into my cart?

@@kennethhummel4409 Certainly, although there is a mandatory %15 gratuity which will be paid to the stocking staff if you didn't bring your own help.

lol

And yet, these numbers are realistic.

Woah woah woah that sounds like some HERESY! Our glorious imperium has a genuine non-hyperbolic Million worlds, that a 1 followed by nine zeroes. Most of which have a population size in the tens of billions. That's not even counting AdMech, or (emperor preserve us) worlds like Cadia that aren't around anymore.

To be fair the imperium of man goes through a few million every minute so

Terra has like serval 100 billion people.

lol

Well we won the war. See all the tribute they paid us!

I mean. That is KINDA the plot behind "The mouse that roared"

​@@feldamar2 I loved that book.

is his name a combination of names of Isaac Asimov and Arthur Clarke? and the numbers are little bit off, but it's still good story imo ;) edit:spelling

@@BgStalker Ask his mother. She named him. Isaac is not a fictional character. He's a science communicator and futurist.

@@BgStalker If this is your kind of story, you might love Isaac's channel. Here you go kzfaq.info/love/ZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g IMO that's one of the best Sci Fi world building & concept sources out there for HARD sci fi.

Yep I was about to comment ahh Isaac Arthur's view of the solar system in the year 7021.

And Issac Asimov shriek

Holy shit that is far away…

and with our population growth potential i do believe we can colonize it, but doing it pre ftl? no

@@matthewbenton4767 I mean, physically we can, but even assuming we develop VASMIR into something practical you'd still be looking at travel times of 10 years or longer.

@@GoblinKnightLeo that’s assuming you’re trying to travel from here to there, instead of basically just continually expanding the populated area until you just reach there. With what was described in this story, there are no gaps to jump across, as habits would fill those spaces. Basically, we wouldn’t travel to the Oort Cloud, we’d breed our way to it.

@@GoblinKnightLeo , If each generation spreads out three months of travel time at 2% of light speed, how many generations until they reach the Oort cloud?

Kind of like the USA... "I quit as a soldier because I witnessed how much money politicians make off of War, so I am running for congress"

Tall is just wide but tilted 90 degrees.

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 lmfao, for real.

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 With you name, and race of Necronthyr it makes it only better xD

Let’s be honest, the Necrontyr were both wide and tall during the War In Heaven. But so were the Old Ones.

Void Dwellers origin players:

More like an accidental fart.

"I keep annihilating invaders with the clap of my buttcheeks because I'm so DUMMY THICC"

Stellaris, after acquiring 10k naval capacity worth of fleets:

@@ceilyurie856 sir, im trying to invade the sol system, but the human presence there is dummy thicc and the clap of their industrial ass cheeks keeps disintegrating my forces accidentally!

Not even that... it would be the waving of the tip of a hair on a leg of the mosquito that landed on said butt cheek...

More like a petawatt laser annihilating a bacterium lol

More like a Jupiter sized planet full of elephants sitting on you. :) Best move, be very polite and friendly.

No it would be like the sun itself stepping on an ant

The increasingly extreme responses here may convey the scale, but not the psychological feel of the event. In that way, it's more like a person spraying disinfectant on a counter top.

More like an elephant accidentally stepping on a grape.

👍

Somewhat reminiscent of How Europeans looked at North America in the 1500's..

That is exactly why some people are trying to ensure that we never do.

I want off this planet. And yes, we either get our species off this planet or die with it.

hey! it may be a rock, but it's our rock.

I doubt we will, but I hope we do.

@@davidtucker9498 most aero physicist said breaking mach was impossible, now mach 12 is doable

damn right

Hive cities are gonna be the future lol gotta build up, not out

I would argue this is much more colossal than anything in Warhammer 40k. An imperial hive world has 100 billion people in a hive, x20 hives on the typical high end said the wiki. That's only 2 trillion people. You grab like 3 small bodies from this story and you've already matched them.

@@Zedstein To be fair I think thats an average system. I would imagine that the Imperiums HOME system is far more densely populated, or at least was at some point. (A certain massive WAAAGH!!! may be responsible for that no longer being the case)

Indeed

And it happily permits me to be a hick farmer on a small asteroid, taking potshots at passing xenos with my laser-shotgun.

And probably one of the more accurate!😂

One thing I've noticed about our God myths is that as we've developed (humanity), we've attained more and more of the powers traditionally reserved for "the gods".

@@louishermann7676 I have always held. If god/gods made man in its image. Then man is a god too. One of science, and one of hope. If not. Then we have already made our selves into those old gods. with those same things. science and hope.

@@lornbaker1083 Science is merely an attempt at understanding. It is so basic that all magic, miracles, powers, everything that could possibly exist falls under its purview. Anything capable of scientific discovery with any will to do so would inevitably become a god or die trying. There is simply no other option available.

One thing about science that a lot of people don’t seem to get is our universe is not infinite but very freaking close and in that situation almost anything will happen not can happen will happen another way to look at it is this if you have a room full of air particles the air particles are going to tend to be fairly evenly spaced but they move there is the possibility for every single particle of air to Pat into as tight of a space as they can possibly get completely on their own as you leave it long enough eventually it will happen mathematical it is 100% chance if you give it enough time that’s the same principle universe works on which is fucking terrifying

@@kylejohns2288 Actually it very well could be infinite, it just wouldn't mean a thing if we aren't.

Alternatively... >aliens: attack with their combined military power >humans: "Oohh, skittles! NOM NOM NOM"

As is in major cities stores need stock every day- perhaps they are distributed so that one needs supplied every few days or just a few hours

You'd need a similar business model like Amazon. No real physical shop for customers to come in and buy things, you wouldn't be able to stock the shelves quick enough. A website linked to hundreds, thousands, of warehouses manned by machines, items constantly coming in and going out. With billions of customers per second, you couldn't be richer by printing money.

With numbers like this, you would arrange a shipment, and before it departed for system, the whole shipment would be sold out, and stock backordered for 5 years if even a fraction of a percentage of people were interested in the product lol.

Um, with the numbers I see here, the humans can drain the ENTIRE resource base of multi-stellar empires simply by buying them... ALL. Oh, you mean you still have ships? Would they make good mining ships? We need 5 million. Thank you.

​@leechowning8728 so we would Ferengi our way into control of the universe?

Scrooge might notice that last one.

@@gmradio2436 but he wouldn't complain

@@henrypaleveda7760 True.

What are you talking about? He will most definitely complain. That's a whole nickel!

@@dinrael4781 he will be happy. If it was phrased "A nickel FROM Scrooge's money bin" then it would be anger.

I mean, we do have to play to our strengths...🤣

Counter measures would have had to have been developed to deal with such things. A simple natural cold would kill millions of people in those asteroid cities.

Presumably, their medical technology is such that our current-day diseases are no longer a threat. Maybe they've exterminated most diseases through genetic engineering or nanite shots. Nothing like this exists today, of course, but in purely theoretical terms, it could exist in the future.

Actually, we're in the early stages of research into nullifying many types of sickness genetically. We honestly just need enough economic incentive to ensure someone bothers to pick it up and mass produce it. I could foresee plenty of business organizations putting a stop to that due to how lucrative medical bills are though.

@@talinpeacy7222 And billionaires who think the earth is overpopulated.

The problem with developing a bioweapon is humanity's adaptability, and seeing as they have no test subjects... They're more likely to just straight up fail.

yarp

"Take a journey with me... through the unfathomable." -Solar Sands

FOR THE HORDE! :)

I mean... humans ARE space orcs

On a planetary scale we already are...

@@sentientbackpack8191 no-no no-no no-no... Humans are space-space SKAVEN.

Bringing DOOOOOOOOOOOOM! Wherever we-we bring our-our armies... Or-or our moneys. Lots-lots of moneys.

In the andromeda galaxy: DEAR GOD THERE IN THE WALLS

This seems to be a no-FTL setting, so there wouldn't be humans in other galaxies yet, simply because of the travel times involved. They likely have the tech, but there has not been enough time to physically reach another galaxy yet. Probably ships on the way there, though.

indeed

"Effectively bottomless consumer market." The ratio of the human population in this story to the current one is approximately equal to the ratio of the current human population to you. Squared. It would be physically impossible to ever manufacture enough goods to satisfy the market. You wouldn't even care about bootlegs and piracy, since they wouldn't have any effect on your sales.

@@ClokworkGremlin if you make it, it will sell, then be marked up and sold again

From the OP on the reddit thread, regarding SFIA: "Heck yeah. Everybody ought to listen to Isaac Arthur, he's awesome. As a sci-fi geek and space fan, he doesn't surprise me very often, but he does good discussions of things, and every so often something I absolutely hadn't heard of or considered. Most of my ideas of a 'fully inhabited' solar system and what it would mean were mine from way back, but Isaac's description of the 'stellaser,' as well as several other technologies I could have used here but didn't, was the first time I'd heard of it."

And this, the birth of the mining navies comes to pass.

You'd live on your own out in the Oort Cloud somewhere, you'd be fine.

The Oort Cloud does sound quite nice. I also enjoy Pedawatt lasers and the idea of just drifting out into the endless void.

Fission reactors? I mean all that industry is gonna require a lot of power.

@@somuchfacepalm9733 Fusion would likely be required to have a society like the one described in the story.

@@somuchfacepalm9733 no... Fission is plenty easy. Fusion, we have a giant fusion reacter called Sol. Earths orbit is over 148.5 Milion km long. Even if we build 3,600,000 O'Neil Cylinders, they can have over 20km of space between them and have no one blocking their Fusion Solar power. As long as we aren't leaving, energy is not a problem.

@@Jeff55369 That's certainly what I assumed was powering the gigantic radiator array on Orcus.

They've probably mastered atomic alcehemy at this point.

"A reaction drive's efficiency as a weapon is in direct proportion to its efficiency as a drive."

Well, when you look at it closely, EVERY weapon out there is merely a tool that concentrates energy. Either in area, time, or both. Even something as primitive as a sword or rock. For instance, a sword concentrates energy is area and time. It takes a significant fraction of a second to accelerate a sword using one's muscles and all of that energy is then released upon contact in a few milliseconds, hence the concentration in time. And all of that energy is concentrated over the area of the sharp edge, hence the concentration in area. A laser also concentrates energy. So does a bomb. An example of the difference energy concentration makes, look at a rifle or pistol. Due to Newton's laws, the energy imparted upon the shooter of a firearm matches the energy imported to the bullet being fired. And in fact, the energy imparted to the shooter is actually GREATER than the energy imported to the target of the shooter. Yet, the shooter is quite unlikely to be injured, while the target is likely to be fatally injured. Why? Well, the mass of the pistol or rifle is rather large. Additionally, the area supported by the shooter is also large. This means that the energy is imparted to the shooter over a relatively large area, and over a relatively large amount of time. Whereas the target hit by the bullet has that energy released over a short time and small area.

Actually could have been still warhammer if a zeno is deemed useful the imperium will tolerate them

@@SuperGamefreak18 could also be Warhammer before any xenos managed to harm humanity in Sol... I mean so far nothing has attempted to provoke us and succeeded in attracting our attention... Humanity due to our bloody past will attempt to be friendly until such a time as something tries to threaten us and gets noticed. Hell of the things attempting to attack us are as non threatening a group as this group was were to announce themselves to all of humanity we may notice their attack but not take them seriously, especially if they were a small fluffy race like say sentient Chipmunks. Our collective reaction to something like them would be "Aww!! They're so cute! Thinking they're galaxy conquering empire with such a small fleet and such adorable bodies! I want to cuddle them!"

Actually, everything went very well for the aliens. Not being noticed was the best possible outcome.

Either that, or we just haven't noticed it yet. Hard to observe extraterrestrials when we're essentially looking at billions of years in the past.

Everything we currently see is millions upon millions of years old, by the time we get a civilizations radio transmissions they're probably extinct.

Yes and no, the milky way is 170k - 200k in diameter. So an entire civilization could have develop space travel, colonized other solar systems and died out since the first appereance of the homo sapiens and we would just get to see the first pictures.

Humanities radio wave bubble is a 100 Light Year bubble. But even that is misleading, the radio wave bubble that MIGHT be detectable Light Years away is at most 70 Light Years. If a civilisation 200 Light Years away started broadcasting 150 years ago we would not detect them for AT LEAST 50 years. That is assuming the initial parts of the bubble have not attenuated to a point we cannot feasibly pick them up from the background radiation. The Fermi Paradox is nonsensical because it does not take into account size and time. The reason why we have not detected sentient, technological life out in the Galaxy boils down to a very simple answer. They are not CLOSE ENOUGH to detect....

Me too 😊

way WAY 2DEEP bruh....

Well we might be able to do so in this story but sure to the sheer quantity of data being sent to and from everywhere it might be impossible to connect every inhabited place to every other inhabited place at quantum speeds and in that case why bother? Because if you can't do that even limiting it to local government communications only wouldn't be all that helpful... In which case listed communications would be the only real way to communicate. I'm assuming quantum, subspace, hyperspace and I'm undirected lightspeed communications all share the issue of bandwidth/overlapping signals causing interference once you hit that level of density in a given system.

@@donanthebarbarian5177 Quantum entanglement shouldn't suffer any interference issues as the entangled quanta are only entangled as a pair. Bandwidth could be iffy, depends on how a change is created and detected and whether it's worth the effort/resources to parallel "channels" for byte depth. I don't think you can entangle at a distance though, so you better hope your comm gear has backup pairs and never gets damaged. Lose a pair and it's gone forever.

If you want to be reasonable about science fiction, you'd have to come to terms that our civilization would never reach the point of being space faring. Human societies fracture far too easily, and then devolve into bloodshed. We'll likely never survive to the point we have a self-sustainable colony on another body.

@@mfree80286 once you observe an entangled particles, they aren’t entangled anymore. That phenomenon wouldn’t be useful for FTL. Short of finding some form of subspace to use, or somehow managing to harness Hubble expansion, it is so unlikely that FTL anything exists within the laws of physics that we’re just as likely to discover that the magic of the Harry Potter series is real as we are to making functional FTL drives. The speed of light isn’t just light speed, it’s the speed of causality itself. It’s the speed of information, of cause and effect. The only things moving “FTL” are galaxy’s outside the observable universe and they aren’t moving FTL themselves, they are just so far away that Hubble expansion means new space will appear between us and them faster than the light from them could cross to give us any information about them. We won’t be able to travel or communicate FTL by any conventional means because all of them are so energy intensive that even if you could get TOO light speed(anything with mass can’t) that the energy cost of slowing down would make it to where you’d need infinite energy x2. The only hope I, and most Astrophysicists have for FTL anything is bypassing light speed, not “moving” faster than it. How that would be possible is still a mystery but since quantum entanglement does exist, we know something is weird about things at that small of scale that might make things like a “jump” through the quantum foam possible, or more likely, since conventional macro scale physics go fuck themselves at a quantum level, so I’m more inclined towards dark energy/matter and Hubble expansion being our ticket to FTL. Dark energy and matter, if we can contain and use it, probably won’t be a great fuel source since it would be like fueling an engine with a shadow, in the case of dark energy, or something so volatile that any connection with matter is a suicide pact and using that as fuel is just dumb. However, there is so much we don’t know about them that they very well could have properties we could exploit that may allow us to find a loophole in conventional matter based movement. It’s theorized that dark energy and/or matter are what’s causing Hubble expansion, which is what’s making space to just appear out of “nowhere” and causing the universe to expand. We don’t know how this works or where the space comes from, or how we might be able to harness the energy of space itself, but those are mysteries I can’t solve and they leave the possibility of a sci fi future with FTL just a little below being flat out impossible. Though i wouldn’t trust the idea of using the energy of the fabric of space time bc that’s how we end up with false vacuum decay and hit end Task on the universe

Nah, WH40K is small compared to this story.

@@theuncalledfor a sentence I’ve never thought I’d read and agree with. This is the scale 40k tries to achieve but fails bc no one in GW seems to understand numbers scaling past the trillions.

This would be the Sol System during the Dark Age of Technology from 40k.

I always think of 40k numbers on this scale. I do not care that GW is ran by corporate neckbeards that can’t scale numbers for shit, I add 1-3 0s to the figures of everything they reference

The imperium has 500 to 600 Trillion people in their military.

Ikkit claw agrees.

An old earth saying. Don't play in traffic. You might get vaporized by a stellaser sending a cruise ship full of fat consumers across the star system

glad you enjoyed , For the algorithm

Did you not notice the part where they constantly machine-gun massive colony ships into the void?

I did a little calculating: Orcus, the asteroid described in detail, has a diameter of 1200 km, which gives it a volume of about 7.23 BILLION km^3 The city only "occupies" the outer 250km, so lets substract a globe of 950km diameter (about 3.59 billion km^3) Volume of city: 3.64 billion km^3, which leads to a population density of about 5 people per km^3. I'm pretty sure those 17 billion people have plenty of space there :) That is, if I didn't miscalculate on the way, of course. Edit: Just realized I used diameter instead of radius, so my numbers are a bit off and the total volume is 0.9 billion km^3, the inner globe is 0.45 billion km^3, the volume of the city is 0.455 billion km^3 and the population density thus about 35 people per km^3 - still plenty of space :)

@@EllenbergW That's the magic of science and realizing the true scale of things, the solar system and the things contained within are big.

yeah no the scale is more a less accurate you'd have ample amounts of space in that city

When the over-exaggeration turns out to very plausable when considering the space of it all.

That’s the thing about space, it truly is much vaster than our minds can generally comprehend. The sizes are absolutely absurd lol