With the toxic positivity that we practiced, always wanting people to think we are doing good, we often didn't even feel safe to ask for help with serious problems. Then when wee finally asked for help, we often got no help and often get only condemnation.

When we heard Brother Branham said, our critical thinking turmed off. That is one reason we didn't realize he was lying and contradicting himself constantly.

Thank you John & James for this discussion. I was not in the message but the Lord has brought me out of NAR, it has been fascinating to learn the early histories of pentacostalism, and early healing revivals. Thank you so much for your hard work. The Lord bless you.

Thank you, James, for your wonderful testimony. You didn't hide behind branham quotes to justify the message. Once you realize this message was false, you didn't want to stay under that spell anymore. You are honest like reverend CHARLES PAISLEY

I agree, the amount of time John spends on this research and helping people is mind boggling and very admirable!! I appreciate you both so much.

Thanks John and James. You have helped alot of people including myself. Thanks again.

At 28 minutes James does a great job of commending John for his work! Thanks James and John!

So glad you invited James to be on your podcast, John, another one who has been so helpful in my deconstructing from TM, thanks again for all you do to get the facts out there!!

Your story shows how important communication is.

I love your KZfaq channel, James. I'm so glad you are on John's channel.

Thanks for another great interview, John and James. I'm so glad, james, that you are on your now!

I met someone not long ago and they invited me to the message church, she's really nice and very down to earth. I attented a few sermons and realized i might be in a cult, been watching videos here on KZfaq and she's really convinced that the message is thee way. I tried to tell her about my findings but she keeps on saying all those are lies and how much the internet can manipulate information and what not. I want to know what's the right way to approach her about all these

I'm an introvert and need a lot of time alone. In the last church i was in, it felt so suffocating, people were constantly socializing with each other and it was really hard. And there's feeling that if you just want to stay home and don't want to fellowship, there's something wrong with you spiritualy. You already have to conform in so many ways, and then you conform in that way too.

In branham cult ministers are king, they silenced the congregation, and you are scared to ask question . For example, if there's a scandal, gossip is flying around, and the minister won't say anything, he said it's none of our business end of the story.

Anytime there is a Moses model type of structure in a church, there is high risk of abuse. Pastors who start with good intentions often end up with sinful outcomes because of fear of loss. Fear of loss of their reputation so things get hidden. Fear of loss of position and power. It would be embarrassing for those under you and around you to see your failure (so they lie to themselves and others, denying their failure). Also fear of loss of money and funds. They have so much to lose, that often the weaker people below they get harmed. Personally, through scriptures, I dont believe the Moses model is how churches are to set up. God is all knowing. He knows it's a breeding ground for abuses.

What is tragic is that you come healthy in and come out mentaly ill

It's not possible to tell people the truth about what is going on and help them in the way they need to be helped and stay consistent with what WMB taught. Im not surprised they shut your counseling dowm. It's a real threat to the teachings of this group and they care about that a lot more than they care about what the people are going through.

What if you are wrong on the message all along j

For I’ll say this god have mercy on you for you spreading lies about a prophet of god like this I don’t know what your purpose is in doing this but it’s wrong be careful what you say this is a warning

What a tragedy, Satan have deceived you, nobody says believing the message & abide will be on bed of roses, I have watched some of your videos, we over here have pass through a lot in the message & we are still in the message, just like Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 vs 12 .