You hear: top ten saltiest cards. I hear: decklist.

I so want to play against that guy who randomly reshuffles his deck after casting an Approach of the Second Sun. That guy sounds awesome!

Opponent plays Show and Tell against my Dragon deck. He drops an Omniscience. I drop an Omniscience. He realizes he screwed up majorly. Third guy at the table puts down a 2 mana vampire and accepts his fate. Dragons rain from the sky on my turn.

A card that is cheap, gets around Notion Thief and Hullbreacher or any draw trigger for that matter is Abundance. Great cheap side option for stopping wheels from screwing you over since you get to decide which replacement trigger replaces the draw and even gives you the option of what you want to get more. Land or non land. It even gets around Narset since the first draw is replaced in your draw step so you technically never actually draw a card.

Spore Frog in a Muldrotha deck is always infuriating. Always Guaranteed to be a 2 hour game minimum even if its just a 1v1

I thoroughly enjoy your show gentlemen, my group is at it’s infancy and your takes on EDH is probably a glimpse into our future. Oh and i think you’re quite funny.

I started with Yugioh and switched over to MTG, so I can’t really relate to the tutor hate. When every deck has 5 different searchers, 15 cards they have access to every game, and a 40-card deck with mostly 3-ofs you really learn to appreciate the more subtle differences between each game.

Man, now I wanna run Divine Intervention to troll my playgroup but 2-300 bucks seems like a lot for a meme

Concentrated Sphinx is always a pleasure to have on the field when your opponents have Rhystic Study “Will you pay the one” “You know dang well I won’t”

Joe’s rant at the end... chef’s kiss!

NN: Black makes me salty White: I can tutor too hold me beer *pays 4 mana for a tutor to get a 1 cmc spell, smirks*

As someone who plays mainly mono green ... Hall of gemstones is always received well by my play group.

Y'all deserve ALOT more recognition. I've been watching your stuff for a about a month now, and I'm really enjoying the content ( the shorts are great, and i really enjoy the longer format videos you guys do)

Great video. You should do a follow-up video on where your cards fall on the salty ratings. And talk about cards with high salty ratings that don't bother you.

I once played a game against a deck built around divine intervention. He would control the game to make sure no one could interfere and then drop divine intervention to end it. Up until that moment, we thought it was a serious game. Then he laid down his game-ending finisher, and we all bust out laughing. He of course had other, serious decks to play with too. Divine intervention really only works like that once; then the surprise is gone, and it's terribly dreary.

So i'm mostly playing mono red edh , and yes magus and bloodmoon is in some of my decks to stop those flashy 5c decks from outvaluing me ..... Best moment so far: I'm in a 4 people game and slam magus of the moon, 2/3 opponets start complaining, the third with his selesnya budget deck shouts : Ha jokes on you! I'm poor and shows of his 6 basiclands in play :D

Beezy hit the nail on the head; Dockside Extortionist is absolutely a "Complete Nonsense Card." That is actually the exact wording I would use to describe it

The "first turn sol ring usually loses" comes from an episode of the Command Zone where Josh and Jimmy went through Game Knights footage and pulled stats from their games specifically. They found that in the however many couple dozen games they've recorded, first turn sol ring lost far more often than it won.

The only thing that makes me salty is when people don’t stop killing your commander. I play brawl on mtga a lot, and that is really annoying. Love your videos! Keep the good work!

Ive started cutting tutors from my deck just to have a little more variance. I dont mind ones like Enlightened Tutor or Mystical (since theyre limited at least to 2 different things) but Vampiric and Demonic no longer make it into my lists. Ill just play more interesting win cons, draw power or interaction instead

Wow I might needa hop on that discord. Love this list, agree with every card mentioned.

So I respect the fact you guys have specific feelings towards cards/archetypes..just wondered what deck you all play in contrast

Gaea's Cradle + Xyris, Writhing Storm is amazing. Love playing this card in that deck. My playgroup is pretty chill about it just because it has such high synergy with the commander.

Great content as always!

After thid video, I started to build up my MBC EDH, thx for your information.

My playgroup's rule on sol ring, if you have it in your opening you reveal it, take the win and go to game 2. Except everyone else keeps their 7, and you get a new hand. *edit* but we leave them in to keep up of we play with randos

Nice content! Hope someday you guys starting posting EDH gameplays! Cheers

You guys have the best commander channel! Keep up the great work!

I'm only at Blood Moon/Contamination and realize all my decks are Dead Sea salty.

Confusion in the Ranks is the card I dislike coming up against the most! Also the rules committee should make fetches only usable for in your commanders colours for both options.

i find salty cards are self regulated within most groups becuase if you flex at the table you draw attention to yourself in current and future games and that makes you an early target. Imho house rules will often address any imbalance. some i have played that get the salty glare are Sensei's diving Top, Laboratory Maniac and Oko.

Love you guys. Keep on rockin!

In short, make Zur the Enchanter as your commander if you don't want to have friends.

The divine intervention rant was perfect. Really laughed my ass off.

It BURNS!!!! As always, keep up the great work. You'll get to that number 23 slot soon ;)

Great list, loved the point on Cradle and Coffers. Wanted to know, what are your guys thoughts on Serra's Sanctum? I personally think if Cradle goes, then it should go too so there are no more effects like it in the format. Its definitely not as common since its harder to get a critical mass of enchantments. But in the enchantment decks that can take advantage of it, it still feels completely busted to me.

I super agree with Sol Ring. It's totally (mostly) fine on turn 3 or 4, but the huge mana advantage on turn 1 is not fun. So much so that I've cut it from all my decks save one. That one had a trinket mage package, so it feels like I actually have a reason to play it instead of just randomly having it sometimes

100% agree on sol ring and crypt, please spread the word. Tutors as well

I swapped out Consecrated Sphinx for Sire of Stagnation in the decks, where color restrictions allow it. It's also a degenerate card, but you don't get guaranteed draw, if your opponents decide not to play a land until they can get rid of it. This play pattern is much more appreciated in my playgroup. The sphinx always made them salty, but the Sire causes more interesting decisions for the table.

I was going to say sol ring as a joke and then reality just smashed my expectations, almost as hard as i smashed that like button

The tutor issue is more about how many tutors. It's like how many counterspells, it indicates how powerfull your deck is.

I've been chomping at the bit for Cabal Coffers for my Golgari graveyard deck. I like using it with Tomb of Yawgmoth so I can play a bunch of reanimated spells in a turn to grab the best creatures for the problems on the board. In mono lack it is hella boring though

I don't know how much I can agree with this list when it comes to tutors. Tutors? What is a cultivate but a tutor for 2 basic lands? What is a farseek but a search for any land type except for a forest, and even then it can fetch a forest if it's on a dual or triome. And fetch lands? Is teramorphic expanse and evolving wilds not fetching basics? What about fabled passage? Are those not giving you fixes to make a better board state for you, much like a tutor? Yeah a tutor could grab more than lands, I get that, but part of the game is making it stable for you to play so you can make a threat to win. If green gets ramp, should black with it's tutors just not try to win with the cards it has? Or are your decks not supposed to try to win somehow. I'm confused on why you wouldn't use a tutor but say ramping and getting all your lands quickly is fine.

You guys should do something along the lines of "top ten things to consider when building your deck"

When you guys were talking about all playing Jank and someone comes in with a nasty deck happened to me when I first started playing and almost made me wanna quit playing with random people, he was playing an urza stacks deck....🤣

This is about a different video, but I got thinking, why do you rate Song of the Dryads and Oblivion Ring so differently? The potential for a second ETB trigger?

I’ve adopted a lot of your philosophies on certain cards. there’s definitely been a shift in edh with cards that are good now vs cards that used to be good ie grave titan. A lot of these cards no one in my play group has and the few that I own I keep in the binder for conversation pieces. Tergrid is just a more broken grave betrayal and I have an aversion to that card from back in the day if it hits and isn’t destroyed you just know a boardwipe is coming. This list seems legit but it’s also a bunch of counter this or lose cards.

I just won a EDH game at FNM with omniscience xD.. I was playing Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer, and did the Brine Elemental combo with Vesuvan Shapeshifter. That made them salty..

There are very, very few cards that actually annoy me to sit across the table from. I get bored a lot from seeing non-ramp "staples," but usually I'm OK with anything people play. The only examples are cards that grind games to a halt for no reason whatsoever. Warp World is by far my #1 most hated card. Armageddon, Obliterate, etc without any reason to abuse them. If you're going to blow up the board including lands, at least have a way to win with a few turns.

It's like a bittersweet argument on the tutor effects. I think every deck needs some level of tutoring or every game is going to be more varied than it already is. But many colors have efficient tutoring and many cards in those colors. When players run many of them then that's where the game becomes less about building a commander deck and more along the lines of how many times can I search out exactly what I need. I run maybe...4 tutor effects in my deck outside of fetches and I think that's a fine number.

I've found that the only times I really get salty in a game are those times when I misplay heavily or play badly in general. I get angry with myself for having made mistakes. Also it's a bit sad when my deck doesn't get to "do its thing". But if I play well and my deck "does its thing", it doesn't really matter really who wins and how, there is no card or play that makes me salty.

It’s my understanding that the owner of a commander decides where the commander goes when exiled, never the person controlling their turn. Pretty sure the rule book is written that way, but correct me if I’m wrong.

I also hate dumb lands so I run a strip mine on default and run a couple other similar effects sometimes.

The problem with expropriate even at lower level tables is simple Say you cast time warp, it's essentially a spell that takes a full other turn to resolve. Expropriate takes that to the Nth° by adding at minimum 1 extra turn to resolve on top of board advantage, up to 4 extra turns worth of time, alot like chaos cards that shuffle everything up and divides it back up

Emrakul’s taking your turn really depends on your deck and situation. For instance, if you’re playing a deck with a carrion feeder and your commander is out you’re doomed. If you have nothing by card draw and non-commander creatures, you might just have some creatures die. But having your commander gone for good is just a scoop worthy feeling. even if you win, it doesn’t feel as fun.

Watch the stats episode from the command zone. From the research they found people lose more often when playing sol ring

Approach makes me laugh because it's my friends only win-con in his Group Hug deck, lmao.

Alright question. What if you put divine intervention in an atraxa deck purely as a deterrent to remove atraxa because you agree to never let it trigger with atraxa's proliferates!? Is it less irritating when the motivation is to keep atraxa on the field and not to let divine intervention go off? XD I haven't done this but my mind went there and it feels spicy.

Hollow knight is so fun! Just beat it like a month ago and didn't realize I skipped basically a whole 1/3 of the game cus I didn't have a specific ability lmao. Top tier game. Also amazing list 👍

Isn't someone who plays a combo piece doing the same thing as playing Approach of the Second Sun?

Consecrated Sphinx counters Notion Thief though :D

People seem to get really salty every time I drop Song of the Dryads/Imprisoned in the Moon/Darksteel Mutation on their commander. I try to only do it if that commander is relatively OP for the rest of the board, or specifically degrades my own game plan, but they usually don’t like my explanation. I don’t understand why they don’t build for enchantment removal or an alternate wincon.

Hahahaha, oh man. I play SO MANY of these cards. Usually when I play some of those I'll get a few chuckles, and we all move on...but sometimes I get some real salt. Also, i was really surprised Yawgmoth wasnt named along with Korvold and other value engines.

Hey Beezy & Joe 🍒. How do you guys feel about og Vorinclex?

my worst experience with a "take control of your turn card" is when I was playing Orah, sky clave hierophant, I had a massive board of clerics and sac outlets and every part of it could bring other parts back, thanks to the commander, I had stripped all of my opponents hands and boards of threats with removal clerics and discard clerics and I was likely to win in the next few turns. One card on my board was taborax , which you can use to ping yourself to draw a card whenever a cleric dies, and I was at 7 life. When my opponent top decked worst fears I didn't remember to sac and bring back a discard cleric to get rid of it in the draw step, which I totally should have done cause it would have stoped my opponents only out. I then had to sac pretty much my entire board so that there was no way they could kill me with my own taborax, knowing that if I had a little bit of foresight I could have saved myself. I technically saved myself from completely dying that turn and I managed to drag the game out a little longer so it wasn't technically as bad as dying to your own necropotence but it was far more demoralizing the way it played out.

Salty stuff. Thanks for the vid fellas.

I don't see the difference between cabal coffers and mana rocks, or green ramp, a lot of "sameness" i wish there was more variety in those things, i don't see how cabal coffers is more "same" then other decks that run staples

You guys should put graphics up of the cards you briefly mention(when comparing) cuz im newish and I don't know what card you're talking about lol. Love you guys though! Get that top 10 milestone!

I play almost all of the mentioned cards in one deck or another :-D A lot of them in my sen triplets, although expropriate is warranted there because its a stealy deck. On the bright side I deconstructed Zacama because it was too repetitive and boring and will remove cards/combos when I see that the deck grew too powerful and unfun.

See, for me, I like Armageddon in my White Weenie deck because with my curve being so low and my ceiling not being as good as my opponents, it allows me to build a big board state during my most active turns, then clear the board to keep the opponents from reaching the point that they outclass me. I can beat stick them and when they are about to get enough mana to board wipe the mono white deck and make them irrelevant, I clear the board and buy myself more turns

Saltiest reaction I ever got from my playgroup was when I played spreading plague right after I played tainted aether the turn before.

it would be awesome if you guys did a game knights with command zone. hopefully you guys see this and take note.

I play Expropriate in my "I'm gonna steal your best permanents". Its pretty epic lol

What do you nerds think about Gold Bordered Cards? Like Wasteland from World Championship Decks

I personally wouldn't ban Mana Crypt or Sol Ring because ramping is like my favorite thing to do in MTG, I think the number of games they ruin is a very low percentage, and it just feels good to play Sol Ring/Mana Crypt, however I do think the format will eventually get to a point, maybe in a few years, where it's so fast that I would want ban Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Jeweled Lotus, and probably some other cards just to slow down the format a little bit

I rly want to hear the thought process behind a card like divine intervention being printed. Ive never heard of that before and... what is the goal behind? Just thinking about that existing upsets me even more than juju bubble

Great Channel guys :) uhhh I dislike Koma cosmos serpent and Overwhelming Splendor eeee!

So in other words a list of cards to use against my soon to be former friends, lol, thanks guys!

I'd like to see a video about commander design, and which ones you feel are poor design in this way

Cyclonic Rift is often a life saver of the table when someone is going off.

I won with tergrid the turn after I dropped. I played a mass board sac and blacks version of a wheel. Untapped, blow out damage hit.

I hear you guys talk a lot about games being samey but I have to be honest: I really really like when I have a deck that I know is gonna play roughly the same every time. It makes threat assessment a lot easier and it gives you a lot of flexibility in terms of how you use your other cards besides the important cards you're gonna use to end the game.

Divine Intervention is actually a counterspell. It counters the game itself. "I wanna play Commander!" "Nope!" I understand the hate, but this is the blue player's dream! Not just countering spells, but the game itself does not resolve. It just goes away. It's actually brilliant. The only flaw is that it's white instead of blue, or at least Azorius.

I have gray in my zombie tribal deck but it’s not my win con it’s just a card if it resolves it resolves.

Lol I use a lot of these cards 😅 though I play against a few people who play high power control decks so I feel like I have to make mean fast winning decks to even try to compete. My Emiel the blessed deck has like 10 tutors in it so I can pull out my win cons as fast as I can. I get a mana dork to tap for 6 mana and a tutor I win unless you have counter spells.

more cardss on the screen!! bladewing hippogryff? can't find that shit anywhere

I think command zone did the research and made an episode about turn 1 Sol Ring causing you to lose more

Great video guys keep staying Pawzitive 👍

Only deck that have the promise end in is my mono green as the 5 part finisher with her ability to take someon extra turn. Janky but taking control of someone else's turn to mill them by normal game mechanics is funny for a game or two

Overwhelming Splendor is one of my saltiest cards. I think it ranks right up with Omniscience.

If you ask my friend, it's any card I play that interacts with his board or that wins me the game

Guy who reshuffles his deck after casting an Approach here, I love the mind games this brings to the table

I run gray merchant of asphodel in my tinybones deck. He's not really a win con, but he almost won me a game once (I tapped out to cast him and his etb would've won me the game, but someone cast a burn spell that took me out instead)

AHEM, a word about Expropriate lol. I totally understand the sentiment Beezy laid out, and 99% of the time he's correct about it but I actually do have a deck that runs it for a specific reason besides just being good stuff. Its in my Ezuri, C!aw of Progress deck specifically for an extra combat step. I know this deck has many ways to win as it is and doesn't necessarily need the help of expropriate to be good, but it is in there for a reason other than just being a god tier card. Great list though guys, I pretty much agree with all of the takes here. I don't necessarily have a most salty card by means other than the usual suspects, but rather play styles that make me salty. I very much dislike st a slow the game down kind of decks as well as decks that are loaded with obnoxious amounts of removal/board wipes. I love creature/ aggro stuff or I guess permanent stuff I'm general, big board state plays. And I'd rather see someone invest mana into their own growing board state rather than just undoing what everyone's been putting time/mana into to see their cool thing do its thing. Don't get me wrong, people should play removal, it's needed. However I personally don't think any deck needs 15-20 removal pieces ever. And if it somehow revolves around your commander to play that many then I probably just hate the deck in general lol. Good stuff as always guys thanks for your effort to your content and community!

i can see why these cards are annoying but i haven't played against them or the people that do use them us them thematically and doesn't bother me(ex: dockside extortionist only in goblins or pirate decks). nice vid guys

Aw whaaaat. So you’re telling me, kicking a Rite of Replication targeting Consecrated Sphinx, with Kami of the Crescent Moon and Well of Ideas is frowned upon? My playgroup might agree with you but I say NAY good sirs.

Once got kinda bored of a game of commander and since we were on a time constraint on how many games we could play, I tried to murder suicide via aetherflux revisor. My play group just didn’t let me and we finished the game.

End of opponents' turn Cyclonic Rift Own turn Tezzeret into Winter Orb and stay several turns until activating his ultimate ability has won me countless games and brought nightmare to my friends XD Got to have the guts to embrace all the hate. That was fun back to the old dates.

In the defense of land destruction, at least Fall of the Thran is somewhat fair. Unless you're running it in Ghen. Then all you do is bring back Bojuka Bog during step 2.

I'm building Go-Shintai shrine/enchantress at the moment and I was irritated that cabal offers and gaea's are in this list but not serra's sanctum. Why? :D