I did NOT see that coming. Your wonderful analysis and strong critical thinking skills are greatly appreciated. Caveat to all of this of course you really have to get that 30% off MSRP :)
@OurJourneyInMyles7 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks for watching! The real corker is since this video was produced, we spent another FORTUNE on things that needed to be taken care of. I think if you work with your dealer, expecting 26% to 30% is doable depending on the position of the moon on any given day. Even more that ever now, if I could go back in time, we would have bought NEW, we would have bought for NIRVC and we would have bought the Campers Edge Extended Warranty that NIRVC sells. Trust me,.....I am a lot smarter now than when I first started out. Oh, by the way: We have been in repair at NIRVC-Atlanta since Oct 8th 2023. It is 01--04-2024 today.
@donthatethegame427 ай бұрын
Thanks for the reply! Have you done a video on RV "Show Price?" I'd love to hear your insight there. @@OurJourneyInMyles
@gman77gas Жыл бұрын
I am too old and done buying anything used motorized. I am not buying anyones headaches. I have finally learned. Life is short...
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Those are golden words to live by at this point in both our lives.
@deanh7190 Жыл бұрын
Bought our Tiffin Allegro Bus used 2 years ago. 2015 with less then 15K on the ODO and less than 100 hours on the 10KW Gen. Drove it 1,500 miles back to our base camp and went through absolutely everything. Everything looked fine except the engine air filter which by the vacuum gauge and mileage was fine but it had aged out. Paper ages and they should be replaced every 2-3 years and this one was the original. Don't want to suck paper into the turbo! $$$$ Low mileage is awesome but some things will need replacement due to age as well as miles. After going through everything, it was as good as new. Did we save buying used? Absolutely! Especially since I do my own work. Tires ~ According to Michelin you can safely use their tires for up to 10 years WITH annual inspections. Most RVers use the 5 year rule. Ours are now at year 9 and will be replaced very soon even though they pass inspection. (bus was kept in an interior storage environment and that limited the UV exposure). Monitor your tire pressures with a TPMS set-up. Pricing ~ More typical is 20-25% off MSRP depending on demand. During the covid demand, folks were not getting these discounts but they are now back with the current economic conditions. Batteries ~ Previous owner just replaced all the house batts with good AGMs. I replaced the 2 starting batts with AGMs since they handle vibration better than wet cells and are maintenance free. Myles = 'Magic Carpet' / Our rig =' Seasonal Time Traveler '...as we escape winter and chase 70 🙂 Looking forward to your stainless trim install video 👍
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Hey Dean! Great comment. We are excited about visiting Summit Products, and hope we can film the shop, production, measuring and install process. We will see what happens.
@bowntown190920 күн бұрын
Being a do it yourselfer is a great way to go. It’s not rocket science, but a guy does need a few tools. Now with all the KZfaq do- it- yourself videos on maintenance, it’s especially easy to do most of the work yourself. Even the new ones are gonna require maintenance at some point.
@susane.delaine2711 Жыл бұрын
Thanks you for settling my argument with Hubby. NEW has the better way to go. I so appreciate your honesty on your experiences and can't wait to meet you guys on the road!!!!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful Susane!! ......it's even more convincing in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.
@dhillman7522 Жыл бұрын
Excellent research. We bought a new 5th wheel and Duramax diesel truck. We lived in it 2 1/2 years when we bought a property now we just take 2-3 month trips. One suggestion. We did buy a 7 year extended warranty. The dealer wanted about $3300. All I did was call the warranty company they used directly and purchased the next level up for just over $1700, 7 years $100 deductible. If you live in California you will need an out of state address.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Excellent advice D! Thanks,.....
@jimmartinson4280 Жыл бұрын
Mark, you out did yourself on this video. A truly thorough analysis covering all costs of ownership that goes way beyond just the cost of a new vs. the cost of a used rig. This was a Brett Davis-esque analysis of new vs. used. He would approve of your analysis. In the end, knowing you and Sue, as two people who know what they are talking about, one can go to the bank on this information.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful James......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes. Comparing this to a Brett Davis analysis made me feel light headed. Mine is like a kindergarteners. His is would be awesome, and like a college thesis paper. I would LOVE to get a full length expose from Brett on this subject. I would pin it as the first comment in this video, like yours is now, until of course we knock it out with Bretts writeup!
@johnstanczak50759 ай бұрын
I watched this episode again, I totally agree with you on your reasoning. Like you and Sue we were newbies as well but we didn't know how selling our home would be a good idea for us. Hind sight is wonderful, and in 2016 we bought a used 2013.... We flew to Dallas from Milwaukee to look at a used Winnebago that seemed fine by pictures and asked the lady if it was really clean or my wife would go nuts, so we passed, I don't need to describe the unclean parts we found...I found a really clean 2005 Win Journey and my wife choked on the cost but it was immaculate, 1 owner always stored indoor, guy was a fire chief and worked part time at an RV dealer. So waiting in Dallas for a flight back I found our RV in East Troy on line. I kept looking at NewMars that were 1 year old that would have been the ticket for us but a stretch for us. In retrospect I wish we would have gone that route but like you talked about back then would we really like it. So our gas Vista does the basic job . I think your analysis in right on....
@Adam_Gray Жыл бұрын
The information contained in this video should get a lot of traffic and many thanks 👍🏼because you've done the homework for those in the buyers market. On my 2023 Sprinter 3500XD AWD, I paid for the extended complete five year, 100K miles warranty @ $10, 340. The total cost of just the van was $99K with another $67K for the conversion, including the 600w of solar + 270ah lithium battery. Motorhome, Travel Trailer or Van, the total cost of ownership is staggering, with the only hope being the residual asset sale somewhere down the road is equivalent to enjoyment it gave making the bottom line priceless.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
The residual asset sale down the road times the enjoyment it gave you along the way = priceless memories > Watching TV! Love it Adam
@joebudde3302 Жыл бұрын
One of your very best episodes.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful Joe......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.
@brucebjornson9135 Жыл бұрын
Thank you I appreciate you alot I looking and what you said I will buy a new one. Thank you again 😊😊😊😊😊😊
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Tell NIRVC I sent you and you will get FREE POPCORN in the customer lounge!
@SevenBears1 Жыл бұрын
Great information.... My pro tips..Buy new one model year old. Buy at the end of the quarter. Buy out the door price. Offer multiple dealers the same deal.. I bought a 2018 KZRV 315rkd 5th in March 2019. The list was 72k on sale 62k offered 50k OTD final negotiation ended at 45k OTD... Did not buy extended warranty. Thanks OJM
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
It's good to have a plan, and know your pricing up front. This literally was the first, and only, and maybe last RV we will ever have!
@SevenBears1 Жыл бұрын
@@OurJourneyInMyles Hi . I planned two years ahead. I made sure my first RV is my last. Plan included buying the truck well before buying trailer so I wouldn't have two payments.. Thanks for these behind the scenes videos.. OJM
@richardcampbell9225 Жыл бұрын
FYI with regard to the extended warranty. I too purchased my first RV used a 2017 Newmar Canyon Star in 2019. The original extended warranty expired in June 2022. I purchased a new exclusionary policy for two additional years. I was shocked the warranty provider did not inspect the unit which at the time had 96,000 miles on it and the new policy was approximately $6,000. Since then I have had approximately $17,000 worth of repairs covered. So you can purchase high quality extended warranties on used coaches.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
You sir made a genius move securing that warranty contract. Bavo for you!
@charliecindycookston8833 Жыл бұрын
We bought a quality 12 year old Class A for $220.000 less than a comparable new rig. After spending another $30,000 at Freightliner and other reputable shops, we have a unit that is perfect for us. All running gears are new or inspected. Tires and brakes are new. Awnings are new. Best of all we dont need DEF. With the left-over savings, we were able to 'tick it out' with 2,000 watts of solar, 900-amp hours of Lithium and converted refrigerator to residential. Now we optionally camp off grid and save more money. At this price we didn't have to borrow, and we had less than half the taxes. Now three years later, I have no regrets and would never buy new. Let someone else eat the depreciation. I'll admit the repairs were higher than expected. but we are still at half the price of our best price for a new comparable rig.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
If it is working perfect for you than you have rung the bell my friend! Bravo!
@richardcampbell9225 Жыл бұрын
I would also say you keep great records. I too keep records in great detail, e.g., each invoice line item has an entry in my software with part numbers. As I mentioned in my other comment, I have an extended warranty. Even with an exclusionary warranty not everything will be covered. I too use NIRVC exclusively, but I find the hours the warranty allows for diagnostics is often less than the hours required in addition the amount the warranty will cover is sometimes less than the actual cost. Thus, I think the new rig analysis should have some cost for repairs which in my mind based on what you have shared would made buying new versus used about the same. One other thought about assuming the original owner has worked out all the bugs. I think that is often not the case and not tending to one issue could cause a different issue down the road so buyer beware. I guess I'm kind of talking out of both sides of my mouth with these two comments since one would see to support used and the other support buying new. Oh also, in the four years I have had the Canyon Star repairs, excluding consumables and maintenance, e.g., this cost does not include tires, windshields (I'm on number six) or maintenance was just over $55,000.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
LOVE your comment Richard, and agree with it all!
@AINTEROL Жыл бұрын
That is good detailed info. Eye-opening.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@brentmcmahon8188 Жыл бұрын
Top your oil off with Marvel mistre oil Ron for about 10. -15 min to get engine hot it will keep the oil sensor Kleenex so it won’t start and shut every time but this fixed mine.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
We used to use that at work.
@petitchenil Жыл бұрын
Worth the new coach smell!!! Honesty you're right on.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Yes,.........in my next lifetime. Then again, I did just but a Mega Millions Lotto ticket today (08-07-2023) !
@stevecuthbert8856 Жыл бұрын
I'm now looking to buying a 2014 Tiffin Alleged RED 33 AA. The rig has been meticulously maintained. The price is attractive. I get a feeling now I should get a certified inspector look at it. Now you have given me a lot to think about buying used.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Hey Steve. That is a really old rig in RV Years,........but a great one and a great brand. Protect yourself and spend the dough to get a professional inspection. nrvia.org/locate/
@lindac93479 ай бұрын
wonderful video, I’m glad I saw it! It confirmed our decision to buy a brand new Tiffin, we take delivery next week. Happy travels.🤗
@OurJourneyInMyles9 ай бұрын
Wonderful! Enjoy the excitement of the NEW RV SMELL and feel. Get the extended warranty & relax! If you didn't get one, consider the CampersEdge one that NIRVC sells. Now that they are a Tiffin Network Dealer, that's about as much peace of mind as you can get,...... Right now we are at NIRVC Atlanta with my gray tank leak repair. Yikes!
@brendanwalsh1675 Жыл бұрын
Wow! This is the only video to come to this conclusion! But the Chan-Man's detailed thinking and accounting proves it. I'm not sure if we would have changed our minds on our purchase, but we certainly would have thought more about it. A big howdy from Alpine, Wyoming this month as we explore Grand Teton & Yellowstone NP. Happy, safe, & healthy travels! Brendan & Lena
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Hey guys,..........it's even more convincing in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.
@domenickruttura5412 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting you do a great job thanks
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Domenick!
@RichardDeAgazio Жыл бұрын
Mark, A perfect comparison. I was surprised at the outcome. But it makes sense. Thank you for all your work. Richard and Virginia.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Richard!
@jeffsnodgrass9747 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video as usual. My wife and I are about to embark on our fulltime "Journey" next month. I have experienced replacing many of the items that you mentioned in this video. First thing on our new (to us) '13 Thor Palazzo was rear tires. The front tires had been replaced and were just a year old. The rear tires had a date code of 2012!! That made them 9 years old when we bought the coach. Next was replacing coach batteries with Lithium as the existing batteries were very tired and did not perform well. Our rig had 39k miles on it when we bought it, and after driving 50 miles up the road from where we bought it (individual) it threw a serpentine belt due to a defective idler pulley. Pretty scary to have your rig towed to a repair shop right out of the box. We took advantage of having it in for the repair and had the shop go ahead and perform all of the service items on the engine. The generator had 400+ hours on it when we bought the rig, and I am ashamed to say we didn't get it serviced until over 800 hours, but it never gave us a problem and the oil and coolant that came out of it looked close to new. We leave for Appleton, WI in a couple of days to have the full length slide on the drivers side upgraded to a Vroom system since the Schwintech system failed on us coming back from Alabama in April. Looking forward to hitting the road soon and hope we cross paths with you somewhere down the line!!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT decision to switch to Vroom! Didn't know you could get that done anywhere but Arizona & Red Bay Alabama!
@peterdekeles. Жыл бұрын
Thanks for confirming my future purchase
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure Peter!
@FrenchEros Жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I couldn't agree more with your final thoughts. Great amazing work in this video.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Hindsight is 20/20!
@nevilleabraham431825 күн бұрын
Your analysis was very insightful and detailed. I’m glad I viewed this video, it really put things into perspective. While used isn’t off of the table, new is looking like the way to go. Especially since there are deals to be had. 30% potential discount is an eye opener. Thank you
@OurJourneyInMyles25 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! I have since spent another ton more on things. If you can swing it, buy new, have a better RVing experience, overall during your years of use and when it's time to sell, you will end up with "nominally" the same out of pocket. There is no such thing as a free lunch on the RV World.
@rolltide91737 ай бұрын
Have always enjoyed your channel. Thanks
@OurJourneyInMyles7 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you! We love, and need to get the encouragement to forge onward!
@curtisgarr265 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Once my wife and I ready to buy, I'll reference this video and other's you and Sue have. I want you to know I'm glad you bought used. The amount of information your channel has given your followers is priceless. Buying new may have been economically better for you, but buying used made us richer!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it has worked out for you guys! I readily admit, my data point is just that. ONE DATA POINT experience, in our unique situation. You can always rely on us reporting in the facts,.....
@horizon42q Жыл бұрын
Excellent review Mark! Every diesel Class A Rver should watch this one. I don’t even want to calculate my costs. I don’t want to know. But my 43,000 miles since 2020 can’t be valued. We did everything and went everywhere, still going. Starting a 6 week fall trip Sept. 4th. Already paid for out 2024 winter trip to Florida, 130 days Jan- Mid April.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Our EXACT sentiment as well. That is why we always tell folks we are not complaining, we are just reporting the facts. We are making memories for the rocking chair days now,......
@4LowRocks Жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis, Mark. Prior to watching your video, I had contemplated, but never got around to, doing a comparison such as this. An important cost that would be equal to a new or used rig is the value in the experiences you've had vs. not having a rig at all and attempting the same - the differences would be astronomical So many people advise against buying new and even buying a relative antique pre-DEF unit, that it is hard to put aside the noise from those camps. But yeah, someday when it comes time to pack back into a sticks and bricks is the forgotten part of the equation: will a new or used rig better set you up to go back to that lifestyle? GREAT WORK! BRAVO to the OJIM channel - I don't think I've seen this comparison on any other channel!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful guys......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.
@rtoadontheroad Жыл бұрын
Excellent break down video! Thx
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@ralphballtrip2214 Жыл бұрын
I like to thank you for all the videos I was in the Air Force 1966 to1973 station Travis Air Force Base, California had orders go to Alaska purchase open Road 1 ton truck, and here we go got almost to white horse Canadian mounted police pulled us over and told us that our orders got canceled so we decided to go back to Travis Air Force Base so take a lot of videos for me my wife died four years ago. We had good memories in our open road. Backs and a lot of gravel roads and a lot of damage RVs coming back to the US big trucks got too close to them. Thank you again I wish both of you well Kentucky,
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ralph. We will have the cameras on for sure. Hope the roads are better!
@user-if4ri5pv7o Жыл бұрын
A lot of information thanks. It helps a lot
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Your welcome,....
@williambynkoski5633 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I don't own an RV - Yet, but I watch a lot of RV videos. This one is very educational and "eye opening" in regards to actual pricing. I have been tossing around the idea of used or new and this is very helpfull. Regards to you and Sue on your travels.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful William!
@bryanseverino3674 Жыл бұрын
Great info to know for folks who have yet to purchase a rig (like me). Lot of details you shared to help the next person. Thanks for sharing...........
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful Bryan......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.
@williamsneedjr4129 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience with the rv information
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
You are welcome William.
@kenmeinke2753 Жыл бұрын
Mark, Great analysis . I have heard Brett say the same thing, but your breakdown was very good. Say hi ti Sue and we are looking forward to catching up with y'all in a few months
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly Ken! I was surprised,...........sort of! I have been living through all the repairs, and I could tell I was finally paying the price for the savings I had in the used pricing when I bought it. Live and Learn,.....
@TScottWoll Жыл бұрын
Mark and Sue, your best video ever. Thanks for your honesty and wisdom. Wishing you health, happiness and prosperity in your future travels.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott!
@lisareynolds59736 ай бұрын
❤❤i cried watching your mom’s reaction to your pregnancy, and Trent’s family as well. Congratulations! m I’m a grandma in salt lake and in Washington DC! We watch your shows every week and look forward to seeing your family and home grow.
@OurJourneyInMyles6 ай бұрын
You must have been watching Trent and Allie!
@tjshaw4441 Жыл бұрын
Marc this was a very good analysis. For someone like me that has your dream as well. I have been trying to analyze which would be better new or used.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful. When you are actually ready to go, if your still on the fence, contact Angie Morell, Director of Sales, at amorell@nirvc.com and set up a call with her to explain the pluses and minuses!
@kevinmcguire1049 Жыл бұрын
As always detailed and thoughtful. Thank you for passing on your experience.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
That is our mission,........thanks for watching.
@billtorrence8102 Жыл бұрын
that was a lot of detailed work....thanks so much
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@larryoczkowski3493 Жыл бұрын
Once again, kudos to a most informative session. Your attention to detail and just plain down home manner of presenting the info is appreciated. Until your next video...be well.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for the kind comment.
@user-oy5ht4ui1j Жыл бұрын
Great job on the video. It was amazing that your final list of what you would do again matched exactly what we did just a couple of years ago except the 4369. We ended up going smaller since we were newbies with a 4081. Again great job on all of your video's. We really enjoy watching them.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for such a kind comment guys!
@robertege4486 Жыл бұрын
Mark, great video and cost analysis.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@Clay-Sport11 ай бұрын
I want to thank you for the informative and thoughtful comparison of New vs Used. As we prepare to enter the lifestyle it has been helpful. There is one other consideration that warrants discussion. In looking at the financial aspects of beginning you have to consider the big “what if?”. What if we buy a new coach then don’t like the lifestyle or can’t continue for some other reason after a short period of time, you will sustain a huge loss if buy new. For you, you can compare retrospectively because you have been doing it now for 5+ years. But what if……? I think we are going to look for 1 to 2 year old coach when the time comes.
@OurJourneyInMyles11 ай бұрын
That is a great compromise,........but cover yourself with getting the longest exclusionary extended warranty you can get on the rig being that new. As of today, 09-09-2023 we are looking at having to replace our gray tank,........since you have to remove the fresh water tank to do it, I am going to replace them all. They are 10 year old plastic. This is going to be super expensive,... Episode to follow in late October.
@1953kenny Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark for going through your analysis. You’ve confirmed to me what I’d been tossing back and forth about purchasing our retirement rig. I’d pretty much landed on getting a new one with warranty, but you’re analysis helped greatly. Thank you so much and love the videos you and Sue put out.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful Kenny......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.
@jeffsteele1295 Жыл бұрын
Great Video thanks so much. I always look forward to seeing each of your videos.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff.
@harterbob Жыл бұрын
Myles has been a great coach for you two. He’s safely transported and housed you comfortably for thousands of miles and several years. That’s worth something. We bought a new 2018 Tiffin Allegro RED in 2017 because we couldn’t find a used one. Many of the used Tiffins on the market back then were purchased sight unseen by cash buyers. We were newbie’s back then, and hesitant to purchase sight unseen, so we ordered a new coach. We had an Air Force 1 supplemental braking system installed along with a Blue Ox baseplate and lighting kit in our 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee. There were many issues addressed under warranty during our first year of ownership, including one serious problem with one of our large hydraulic slides. Before our warranty expired we purchased an extended exclusionary warranty, good for three more years. When we bought, we were not yet retired, and used the coach only on weekends or vacations we took a few times a year. We stored our motorhome in an RV storage facility near our home. We were not full timers, as are you and Sue. We have since retired, sold our home in Tampa and built a lakefront home in Mount Olive Shores North, with an RV garage to house our Tiffin. We are not full timers and enjoy having a home base to return to after a few months (three to five) traveling. Regardless whether you buy used or new, these rigs depreciate. It’s an expensive lifestyle, as you well know, but worth every penny to us.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
You guys are doing it 101% right! Congrats on buying into MOSN. Absolutely 1st class.
@edwardmcgowan5044 Жыл бұрын
Another great and informative video. Thank you!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful Edward!
@AllisonReece Жыл бұрын
I have been binge watching your videos. After years of watching RV KZfaqrs, your channel just popped up in my RV search. What great content and I really enjoy the voice-over parts that explain things in such detail. Why your channel does have not hundreds of thousands or even a million subscribers... I have no clue. Each video does provide great value in content and entertaining to watch. I appreciate the hard work and time put into your channel. 👍
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! We need exactly 60,100 more subscribers just like you! I DREAM of retiring with a Silver KZfaq Play button on the wall,.....
@mohsinsyed14410 ай бұрын
8:10 we swapped out our 4 year old AGMs with Bluetooth BMS equipped Lithium phosphate batteries and its a world of difference., and the price if you shop sales is not that much more than high end AGMs, definitely worth the increased price over time
@OurJourneyInMyles10 ай бұрын
That is great to hear,............we may be heading towards making a lithium video!
@walltonmcmillan2989 Жыл бұрын
Awesome job Mark! Some very good advice was shared. It's funny every one of your bullets is the same that I share as well. Thanks for helping us figure all this out. I will be well informed when it is time to buy. A good topic I think would be good to discuss would be extended warranties, the good and bad, and what to look out for when looking for extended Plans! Again great job! Enjoy your time off. Walt
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
We would talk more about extended warranties if we had one, and had experience with one. We DO KNOW, buying new or used, if I could do it over, I WOULD GET ONE, even though I have no first hand knowledge. Its just what I hear from folks. And it has to be an EXCLUSIONARY POLICY, not an INCLUSIONARY one.
@martysmith-BonneyLake Жыл бұрын
What brand of tire covers do you have? Do you have a solid shade for the outside of the windshield? My rig will be in PHX this winter and I’m think it will Be a good purchase. BTW- trip to AK you will love!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
We have the BLACK tire covers we use in the "Tire Safety Equipment" section on our Amazon Store. We LOVE the metal hoop spring mounting scheme, they go on super easy. www.amazon.com/shop/ourjourneyinmyles We also have Magna Shades on ALL the front windows. Those are a game changer. You can order them, have them shipped to you, and take them to a NIRVC and they will install them.
@jimdinwiddie4837 Жыл бұрын
One of if not the best video I've seen on the trip wizard. Looking at yours and several others I haven't found one that explains how to import the trip into my GPS. I noticed you have the same Garmin we have any info would be greatly appreciated. Safe travels to you!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
We plan our rest stops in real time with Google Maps along the way. When traveling in the rig, Sue has Garmin, Trip Wizard, Google Maps and some RV Truckers App going at the same time. I follow what she says. I ONLY CONCENTRATE ON DRIVING, and do not have any more bandwidth in my brain to help navigate. We are a team. I never hear anyone importing the Trip Wizard route into any other device. Trip Wizard is its own "GPS router" and you must use it on a separate GPS enabled device. If this is incorrect, someone, please advise! Remember, this is Mark , but Sue is the Navigator.
@jimdinwiddie4837 Жыл бұрын
@@OurJourneyInMyles thanks Mark, I have seen and read where you can download the trip out of Trip Wizard on to a SD card and then import it into a Garmin. Just haven't had any luck doing it. Thanks again and keep up the good videos.
@user-is2bb6bo9x5 ай бұрын
Great video! I've been using the app for about a year and after watching your video I have a much better understanding. Now to work planning a cross country trip!
@OurJourneyInMyles5 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! If others want to learn how to use RV Trip Wizard, check out our "Step by Step" training tutorial at: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q82Anayf2r6XgX0.htmlsi=3DUJclN27V6WnXyJ
@grayfox9911 Жыл бұрын
Very informative.Thanks!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
You are welcome.
@allenscott504511 ай бұрын
Great video! Lots of great info
@OurJourneyInMyles11 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful Allen!
@emberg66 Жыл бұрын
Thanks much Mark. I've been back and forth on the new used thing. Lots to consider in the video. I hope to get something done this fall - so the video was very timely!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful Erik......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.
@curtisnikel6427 Жыл бұрын
Great video explaining your experience and thoughts from today. Thank you for taking the time to compile the data. My only comment from all your data is it is very tough to get 30% off MSRP and new RV prices jumped far to quickly, driven by greed.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! You know, I tend to agree with you Curtis,.......but,..... I have had a number of folks say they have done better than that! Some guy reported in at 33% on a New Aire. RV prices are crazy now. For me, with a used rig, I hope the new prices continue to skyrocket! PS: I forgot to include $5000 in the used column in year #4 when I replaced the Tag and Drive axle tires! Yikes.
@mr.t3186 Жыл бұрын
I hear the roads to Alaska are much better and folks say it's a great trip. I look at it as one long out and back which I'm not a fan of. Looking forward to seeing the updates when you go.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
If we do video along the way, they would have to be unedited, without music, or anything fancy. Folks might not like this, and they would look amateurish. We simply won't have the time to work on them because we will be traveling with other folks. Not sure what we are going to do. We may have to go for every other week for a while again. (Each video takes 40 hours work now, believe it or not.)
@johnstanczak5075 Жыл бұрын
I agree with Jim Martinson below here. You really nailed all the points, and you bought at the right time. You could sell your coach for close to what you paid for it...The point about how we go into a new phase of life not knowing if it going to be agreeable to us, does the romance of this life meet up to the reality? All things considered is the coaches are extremely expensive compared to the "golden years" , even with a30% discount ( these days on a Billy Bobs Motor Coach) and Newmar isn't that deep yet....You have taken care of your coach so well that it will be one of your strongest selling points...I always like what you said in the beginning, we will do this until circumstances dictate otherwise. And you started out young enough on that life curve... We really appreciate all that you do, keep up the good work...Alaska is cool but I would be nervous too, good thing you are not going in a 2024 DutchStar....
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great comment John. I wish I would have started RVing with the family 20 years earlier. Better late than ever. My youngest son bought his second 5th wheel a few months ago! He is 38! I am 71!
@johnstanczak5075 Жыл бұрын
Mark, you did such a great job (Sue too...) on this one. It is a serious discussion that couples need to make. Monday morning quarterbacking is so easy, you have to make a decision and go with it. I camped for years but the last 5 to 8 years it has to be self contained, age 73 now, wife 71, 72 next jan. Having to get up and whizz a couple times is not cutting in a tent or tent camper any more, not to mention sleeping on the ground.... Now that prices are to the point that the new price point to acquire new makes it impossible for a lot of working folks.The Thor and Winnebago take overs leave one wondering.... I hope we run into you guys at Barbierres on on the road somewhere one of these days.
@sherriweber7105 Жыл бұрын
Thank you mark so much for this advice and analysis. Great video mark! Glad you did this video! It helped me out. I’m glad you are good doing the math! I wouldn’t be good at doing that part of rving! Lol! Hope you have a great night and week and see you next week!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@jhen6690 Жыл бұрын
thank you for this!! you answered many of my questions that i have been thinking about. Great video and wishing you guys all the best.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@schultzlb7 ай бұрын
Hi! This Lourdes, It was such a nice surprise to run into you at the meet and greet today at the RV show. I'm the full-time RVer that is solo now. Love your channel❤
@OurJourneyInMyles7 ай бұрын
Thank you for stopping to say hi! Hope your love of travel will flourish as a solo in the new, and as yet unfamiliar, different way. Things will continue to brighten with your great attitude!
@hockeynutt9434 Жыл бұрын
Excellent Vlog!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@danbingen4708 Жыл бұрын
As always, very informative.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan.
@hughgonzalez8958 Жыл бұрын
Mark, would you please do a video on how you use the engine brake on your coach. Thanks
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion! In three videos, I actually talk about it a little while I am actually driving down the steep grades. Check out episodes #191, #238 & #245. If you only watch one of them, #238 might be the best.
@randyshay7280 Жыл бұрын
😅 wow, I thought for a minute there that you and Sue were giving it up and going into an assisted living home!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Well that WILL be an episode someday,..........hoping that happens after we get a KZfaq Silver Play button! Need 100k subscribers! Everyone,.....please subscribe!
@brentmcmahon8188 Жыл бұрын
Get you some Battleborn price is a little high but I have mine for 3 yrs and the are so light they weight like 37 pounds and if you watch them only charge up to 80-90 percent and don’t discharge no les than 20 percent and they will be that last batteries you ever buy. Hope that helps nice looking rig .
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Battleborn is high on our list.
@ShaneBurleson Жыл бұрын
What a great analysis Mark between buying new or used. Great insight! Enjoy the rest of the time in WI and hope to see ya on the road in 2024!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks Shane,.....
@steveborchello4744 Жыл бұрын
Great information!!! We appreciate all the time and effort you put in to make this comparison. We have been back and forth with new and used on a Ventana 4369 - I appreciate this information. Thank you again and safe travels!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Hey Steve. Since I made this video I have a SECOND water leak I am dealing with while in Wisconsin. In two unrelated areas.If you can swing it, buy new with a 7 year extended warranty and live your life stress free compared to me. I RV 75% and get my RV fixed the other 25%.
@mikepatsadventures Жыл бұрын
Hello Mark and Sue, we own a 2019 Ventana 4369 purchased new. I think you are right on with your costs and evaluation. It's not really a loss it's no different than when you were young and had to rent an apartment or house. That's why I have always said we are just renting this Condo on wheels. It's not a financial investment but an investment in retirement and life.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Mike! You are so correct. Without the RV and the shared vision we both have to "get out there before it is too late", we wouldn't have had 2% of the life we have had the last 6 months, much less the past 6 years.
@keithbartenhagen6306 Жыл бұрын
Well done Mark. I really thought this was going to go a totally different direction. Me and my wife are in a similar situation where I plan to retire in a year or so and we plan to get a Diesel pusher and travel all over the place but not full time. I was figuring used was a way better option but when you figure in repairs and tires and then the value after 5 or 6 years it makes sense. Now I can do quite a bit on my own as far as maintenance but sometimes things happen on the road and you don't have that option. You can also put some value in having the new safety features and conveniences plus if you maintain it like a NASA engineer and keep records it may add value at the end. Thanks for making the effort and the video.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
I just wanted to lay out how it worked out for us. Everything is always subject to change. The new ones now are CRAZY expensive. But labor rates for repairs are now up to $200/hour! My tires are $1000/each. It is a tough call to know which way to go.
@WILDEBILL308 Жыл бұрын
Have you been talking to Brett? I have found start battery's at the Freightliner store that were a good deal. Original equipment AGM start batteries for $89.00 each.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
I had a conversation with Brett a few years ago about which was the best way to buy an RV. He essentially predicted exactly how it turned out. It just took me 6 years to learn it the hard way. Both ways of buying have their place, for different reasons. A person needs to decide what lane they will take down the same road, while having a much different experience.
@ericverpeten8503 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thank you Eric!
@b-sanddog4149 Жыл бұрын
Great job with regards to VO. Have owned 2 A’s and now Super C, and all used. I would never ever buy new. Twice the rig for 70% of the cost. He helps that I do my own work. 😅😅😅😅
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Yes,.....if you can fix your own rig, AND you have somewhere to do it, AND you have the time to do it, AND the physical flexibility to do it, AND your not on the road in the middle of nowhere, that is a huge difference! Wish that was me!
@DLTJR1959 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I don't over analyze our purchase that much. We got a well maintained older unit that had a lot of money spent on upgrades and maintenance with a warranty that we used to repair some things. Nothing major but still good money. We are happy and that's all that matters. You are happy and that's all that matters. Congrats on your adventures and l look forward to future videos.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
I should have talked about the reality for us was that we had no experience RVing, so if we had went "ALL IN" on a new rig, I might have had an aneurysm!
@PineRidgeRez Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the analysis of your situation, very detailed. Wont be long till its time to ride to the beach!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
You bet! Sounds like the Gulf water will be 95 degrees by the time we arrive.
@TrekkingwithMikeandDeb Жыл бұрын
Don't worry about Alaska. We did it and are so glad we did. The roads are good and we drove through the Yukon in April. Very informative video.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the encouragement Mike. Did you do the Top of the World Highway between Dawson City and Chicken?
@TrekkingwithMikeandDeb Жыл бұрын
@OurJourneyInMyles No, there is so much to see. We took the Alaska ferry to Haines and drove back after 5 months. We worked 3 days a week and were exploring the other 4. We also spent everything we made. Kayaker in Glacier Bay was my highlight.
@garyslavonic1241 Жыл бұрын
As always, great video and I appreciate your perspective on things. We just got back from a 3 month trip to Alaska, you will hear a lot of different opinions on the roads and the journey. For us, it was a great trip, the roads, while challenging were manageable. The only thing I would of done differently would be to allocate more time to the trip, we were in Alaska itself for 3 weeks, could of easily of been 2 months to see & experience everything that is out there. Thanks again for the great content, safe travels.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary. I will pass this info on to our trip planner,......
@FotoMatt Жыл бұрын
Super analysis. Quite helpful as usual. Can’t wait to see more about your trip to Alaska.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
If we do video along the way, they would have to be unedited, without music, or anything fancy. Folks might not like this, and they would look amateurish. We simply won't have the time to work on them because we will be traveling with other folks. Not sure what we are going to do. We may have to go for every other week for a while again. (Each video takes 40 hours work now, believe it or not.)
@RD27600 Жыл бұрын
What a great analyis! I'm very analytical so enjoyed it immensely. I guess where i do still struggle here is the emotional "what if." What if we are wrong and dont like it fulltime. What if we buy wrong. In my mind, it seems as if the less expensive buy protects against that? Definitely gives me more to think about !
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
We just wanted to report in on how our Journey has landed us 6 years down the road, to give our viewers some perspective to make decisions with more facts than we had!
@RD27600 Жыл бұрын
@@OurJourneyInMyles And I GREATLY appreciate it !!!
@ronaldsova2380 Жыл бұрын
We also are looking to Buy used. I don't think our budget is going to be quite as much as yours was Which kind of eliminates buying new but my question to you is, I also like the idea of having a tag axle Which I know probably limit some of the parks and places you can go in , Knowing what you know now would you still have bought a tag axle. I believe I would like the stability of the rig the weight capacity that can be carried Not mentioning the extra room. We want you to know we always enjoy your videos that are very informative and are really helping us getting ready for the life changing process of going full-time. ( thanks!!! )
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Tag eliminates porpoising, and getting blown around. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. If you are buying Newmar, get 2008 or newer so you have Comfort Drive. 2016 or newer to have the fire door. (Make sure 2016 front axle was upgraded.) Don't worry about too big,.....worry about too small when going Full-Time.
@bobkatc936811 ай бұрын
You could spend thousands on a new unit to fix it as well. Warranty only covers so much.
@OurJourneyInMyles11 ай бұрын
Yes, you are correct,......... Right now, Sept 4th 2023 I am now dealing with a grey tank leak. It is cracked in the thinned down area where the frame rails pass thru. I'm thinking I am going to have to replace them all,.....water, black and gray. God only knows at this point what it is going to cost!
@thomastheys6681 Жыл бұрын
That is wonderful the number is that you have displayed with what would be cheaper or watt would be better. I am so happy that I still have a 2007 Monaco 400 horse Cohens 3000 hours in and superior build. Thomyt
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
I am trying to get my rig in shape to be a classic as well!
@michaeldavis5189 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mark and Sue, Great video and production on comparing New vs. Used! You bring up some very good points on making the comparison between the two. Just wondering if you are comparing apples to apples here. Did you factor in the upgrades you have done over the years that a stock brand new Dutch star may not normally have on it? Those retrobands you have installed are not normally on a new unit as well fire protection systems. Adding those improvements to the cost of a new unit may bring the bottom line costs for each much closer together and possibly make it swing the other way to the used unit. Just throwing this out there for consideration. Thanks for doing these videos for the RV community. Safe journeys to both of you and enjoy the cool weather in Wisconsin!
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Hey Michael. Rettrobands and Proteng Fire Suppression System were not included. We did not include the interior furniture changes either, but quite honestly we could of bought closer to what we would have wanted by buying NEW, so it would have been additional savings for the NEW column. But here is the real corker. I FORGOT TO ADD THE $5K for tires of the tag & drive axles a few years ago! The new analysis would look even better.
@davidmeeks9305 Жыл бұрын
WOW...never saw it broken down so clearly. Thx
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful David......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.
@rjahn3000 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget an RV inspector will not check anything on the Chassis besides tires, and many inspectors have little knowledge of Diesels or the chassis.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
That is a really important point, that I never really thought about! What do others do? What have others done.
@rjahn3000 Жыл бұрын
At the minimum put a code reader on the engine to see if anything shows up. Best idea would be to have a Diesel Mechanic take a look for sure.@@OurJourneyInMyles
@Rob0319 Жыл бұрын
Great video Mark. The one thing I hadn't thought about when debating new vs used was the sale value at the end. The higher sale value offsets some of the higher depreciation that occurs in the first couple of years. This is making me rethink our purchase strategy.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
I totally agree! But don't make the decision from what I have said here. I think if a person wants the straight talk on if they should buy new or used, for their own situation, you should work with someone who has ALL the answers. This is a BIG decision, and is a LOT of money. I would suggest starting at the TOP with Angie Morell, the Director of Sales at NIRVC at amorell@nirvc.com. Pour your heart out in a letter on what you are looking for, and all the concerns you have. She WILL follow up. And she WILL hook you up with the best person in the corporation to help make your RV Dream a reality without it becoming a nightmare! Tell them Mark & Sue sent you and you will get free popcorn in the customer lounge!
@randyshay7280 Жыл бұрын
Y’all don’t lack much to the 100000 subscribers mark.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
If all 40,000 subscribers got (1.2500125) friends to subscribe, we would realize the elusive KZfaqrs dream,...... getting the coveted "Silver KZfaq Play Button" with 100,001 subscribers!!!!! Pass the word on!
@kathyjoslin1361 Жыл бұрын
We bought new in 2019. 2019 NewAre. Lost a ton when we sold in 2022. Bought a used 2022 MountainAire in 2022 and saved us $125,000.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Wow! Sounds like you are even Steven now! Awsome.
@allanwarmflash4440 Жыл бұрын
great info
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Thanks AGAIN Allan!
@bryanspayde5681Ай бұрын
I buy my Riggs 20 years old .. drive it for 3. . Then upgrade.
@OurJourneyInMylesАй бұрын
If I was younger when I was agile and handy, I would probably drive an older rig too. But then again, mine is already 10 years old!
@JerseyRV Жыл бұрын
Mark, are you going to offer a copy of your spreadsheet so that we may make an educated decision of a new or used class A?
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
Yes,.......send an email to ourjourneyinmyles@gmail.com
@myk55501 Жыл бұрын
Hey, you right buying new and keeping it 3 years or less and flipping it is the way to go. But I will add in you should stick with class a rig under 36ft the state patk thing and resale value. But the ford 7.3 engines are having issues so diesel is better. If you want big rig look at American Coach they have all features of Newmar but not the price. Extented warraties are a must alone with watching the OJIM channel. ❤
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
I will get a NEW one as soon as I win the Lotto,....
@TexasSteele67 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic data, we're 10 years from retirement but want to buy an entry level class A to have for trade at retirement (and to help us learn the ropes)
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
I do wish we had started our RVing life as early as you guys are. Bravo to you,....
@markekberg83715 ай бұрын
Bought a 18 year old Winnie. Only 31k on it. I will have about 3k worth of maint doing it myself. Bought the rig for 65k. We are 400k ahead of new.
@OurJourneyInMyles5 ай бұрын
You really can save a lot when you are handy!
@markekberg83715 ай бұрын
@OurJourneyInMyles . You had to jinxs me. Just noticed a coolant leak when I was buttoning up from all my filter and fluid changes. Can't see nothing. Not sure if I will be tackling this one.
@babyboy6179 Жыл бұрын
My only consent about everything after 2012 is the DEF system in the new diesel engines
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't let that stop anyone. Get a DEF Head simulator and carry it in case you get unlucky and have a DEF Head failure! Then,..just plug it in, and get back on your way!
@mattgreven7615 Жыл бұрын
Interesting--but I still think it's hypothetical. I may have missed it--but did you calculate your out-of-warranty maintenance costs on the 2018? I think you'd still have some significant costs on the 3-year newer rig.
@OurJourneyInMyles Жыл бұрын
That is why I included the $9500 high quality 7 year extended warranty in the 2018 column of the chart. Best I could do. I didn't want to make stuff up. Most folks I have met that had a name brand, expensive, high quality, EXCLUSIONARY warranty did pretty well with them paying if they let the system work, which is slow and takes time.