Drongo, I want to really congratulate you for putting out this tournament. This was very enjoyable and made my nights a very good routine of drinking some wine and watching the games after a stressful day. I hope you are getting recognition from Microsoft an the other stakeholders involved for making the game so much more popular and interesting. I'll see you on the next one.

This was such a great series, cant wait for outback octagon 3

Just so everyone is aware, Wam wasn't make a lewd image with the towers/walls, if you look at the minimap it says OO2, as in Outback Octagon 2.

Great competition. Top notch casting. Marred by puppy and wam clearly working together in the finals. Puppy moving completely across the map to attack beasty after beasty attacked wam in game 3 made it very obvious.

noticed when wam spotted beastyqt at 02:00 he texted: awesome, lmao? also: 16:45 take a look on the minimap and see how unnatural pappypaw goes with his troops first to the west and goes directly to the king. (ref has to check if he activated treason, otherwise its a clear evidence of cheating because he doesnt have that map information) regardless of the very obvious teaming in the beginning, its another proof that wam and puppypaw wanted to exterminate beasty before he could become a threat. (just a theory, but in context could make sense) But regardless: thanks drongo for the great hosting, and the good evenings

that was a freaking great tournament! watched every game here on YT from first to last second, thank you so much drongo and your whole team. and huge props to all the players, they are all amazing. thanks every single person making this event happen.

I think the next octagon should be anonymous as possible. Thats the only way to keep people from targeting someone else just based on scared of their skill level

35:54 look at the chat xD xD xD

TL:DR: There should be a way to ensure players are not communicating other than via in-game chat; maybe a Discord call where all microphones must not be muted. This series is amazing, I am absolutely looking forward to Season 3, that is, as long as Wam and Puppy play it honestly. You may call all that ganging on Beasty strategy to take down the strongest opponent, but I haven't seen Wam or Puppy gang up against one another even when one of them was clearly the biggest threat.

35:55 Drongo small PP!!!!! hahahha

I was really enjoying this tournament until watching these last two games. Puppy and Wam were clearly playing together and only attacking each other when they were forced to like building a wonder. Players need to be anonymous, with as many rules in place to prevent teaming. Very sad to see it end this way after 25 games. Great job Aussie though with your commentary.

Don't play AoE4, just watch Drongo a lot. These last 2-3 games sure looked and felt like there were teams. I had to talk myself into watching the last 90 minutes of this one. Everyone knew the brothers had won.

The chat at 1:20:16 Puppy: If wam wins I win ML: ik. as you want Puppy: Am I allowed to not attack? ML: dunno Puppy: It feels a bit dirty Wam0: I won’t win just attack me Puppy: if I attack them you will ML: ahah ML: I think he’s holding Puppy: not if I attack him ML: Ye. I think you will kill su Wam0: yeah but it’s 500 dollars worth chat malding. Idk.

Fitting that the last game had so many wonders. Had a laugh at Marinelord for not doing the basic duty of putting a wall around his wonder and Don malding in disbelief at that.

Well, Wam's timing on that surround was on point, some might say weird.

@40:48 lol. Same shit in this match. Beasty gets sandwiched by wam and puppy (although don got the kill, it was literally outside his base). Then Don gets sandwiched by brothers and gets eliminated. Then brothers goes for Anotand while sharing resources. (The only reason why puppy got back to kill Wam's vills is probably because whole world was watching them?, and drongo himself even said at @42:20 “reluctantly killing the villagers of his brother”). How obvious do you wanna be of teaming? Twin brothers: Yes. Anotand even gave up on attacking puppy because Wam won’t let it happen lol. I was a fan of Puppy but honestly the brothers killed the fun out of this series in finals. To top it off, they probably were playing from the same room as well. For instance, look at rest of the players, they were continuously battling against every other player while twin brothers were almost attacking same person at any time in this game. To be fair, they did have small battles with each other, but personally I did not see any intent of killing each other. I disagree with drongo’s comment at the end, yes the games were entertaining until game 3 of finals.

Beasty went full on Octagon 2: this time it's personal.

I think puppypaw’s transport ship loss may have been the single largest loss of resources in the tournament so far (excluding wonders).

The only way to stop this "sibling teaming" is before the season starts Puppy and Wam play a best of 3 1v1 whoever wins is entered into the tournament. Then during the tournament everyone's names are hidden. Might sound unfair but after this season there clearly is a conflict of interest having 2 brothers playing together

Just an idea for season 3 - give double points for killing the current point-leader during the finals (i know that might lead to bullying in a sense but what happened to beasty just because they are scared of him isn't better either). And make the last game give double points, all the 0 points players didn't have a intensive to play anymore, getting a 16 point game is almost impossible especially on Megarandom. In the end I think this would create more drama and make the finals less akward. Also since I haven't watched live, players need to see the scoreboard before every finals Match.

I wonder if a system where you have a random target (bonus points if they die before you) and/or a random ally could mix things up in an interesting way. But i guess itd be complex from a specating perspective (since everyone has different targets and stuff).

What a blast this season was. I don't really enjoy the meta-strategy aspect of it though. An idea for next season: disable in-game chat, and make the players anonymous (but include some sort of overlay so the spectators do know who the players are).

Honestly, Drongo, I love the tournament but at the end it was marred by Puppypaw and Wam teaming up. It's just clear that they colluded with each other, intentionally or not.

In the previous game, Wam01 and 1puppypaw decided not to attack each other and excuses on how attacking neighbors is detrimental were made. This game Wam01 directly attacks Beasty? This feels like teaming, or at the very least, colluding.

I think it's lame, how often people avoid fighting their neighbours.. unless it's beasty and they team rush him in each game

I love the energy, the organization, and the sheer passion behind Outback Octagon, but i'm on the verge of losing any faith in OO3 if the Puppy/Wam team isn't brought to justice.

You know, thinking about how to prevent some of the runaways that happened this Octagon for the next one, a simple rule adjustment might be to award +1 point if you kill a player with more kills than you. Would encourage people to jump on players who get kills, making going for early kills or trying to runaway very risky.

Loved the tourney, liked the maps from the first one a little more with the island maps but with the king and the starting scout that complicates it so I see why you used some pre-made maps this time. Seems like the new rule set fixed a ton of problems from the first tourney but the 2 main problems I see and am yet to think of a solution to are Wam and Puppypaw basically always passively teaming and the potential that people are in a voice call together. I guess the only solution is to have all participants have a forward facing camera recording their face and audio.

Puppy sends his horse army to pick off Beasty's king, but he never spent the 400g to use the king's vision ability... more fishy business.

Just finished watching this after discovering you a few weeks again! I cant wait already for Outback Octagon 3 with all the newer civs!

two brothers, odd behavior, beast gets short stick... feelsWeirdMan

Thanks Drongo and all participating players for entertaining the AoE4 community with this great series, appreciate the time and efforts And we’ll be waiting for S3 ;)

Great series drongo! Outback octagon is by far my favorite series so far. The chaos,, the drama, youre casting, its all perfect! Thank you and microsoft for this, i hope there is more to come. I do hope that puppy and wham didnt betray the other players to much. It would be a shame if players would team up before the games. It clearly works, if trust is broken its hard to connect. Good luck on youre next series! Looking forward to it. Also good luck on all the accusation stuff, i can imagine for you this is not a fun position to be in

Epic series, well done dude! I haven't paid any attention to AoE ever, just happened to click on a video of yours that popped up and shit, 25 videos later.. You made this Drongo, thanks for the entertainment!

It is strange. Generally when there is a threesome in a base. The 2 outsiders generally contest each other for the kill. This gives the base player (3rd guy, the guy getting attacked) a bit of a breathing room. However blood is thicker than water. However the main thing is there isn't really a solution for it that would keep everyone happy.

20:35 : After puppy kills Donartie, Maw asks in chat "Why did you go out?" "I was killing his units" "And you moved outta the tc" Puppy responded "Pretty sure I get it either way" Is this not pretty evident of them teaming? It's been pretty clear that hey have been teaming most of this series. Really should be a retroactive punishment here

Working on a more strict and explicit ruleset on teaming for Octagon 3 would be appreciated. Non-aggression isn't defined well by the current ruleset but it's incredibly impactful when neighbors can just safely boom and then collectively curbstomp a player across the map.

1. @aussie_drongo you should absolutely make a video replaying the winners of best moments..... that would be awesome 2. This brother thing is mighty lame. Lots of weird things going on and others are getting short changed because of it. I get they're both really good but they absolutely benefit from each others presence. If I'm beasty, I'm not participating anymore until its sorted out because he was the clear loser in multiple games because of those 2.

i watched all the games that where posted here in yt. Wam and Puppy where teaming a lot of games. The next one has to be with anonimacy of the names. And some control over the streams.

You know you've done a good job when people like me (who doesn't play AOE) watching outback octagon. you've done a great job at hosting Drongo, and to the players who put on a wonderfull show. 👏

40:30 OH COME ON, THIS IS JUST BLATANT TEAMING!!!

I play this game casually, single player campaign and skirmish only but this is a real joy to watch. I learn some things and your commentary is amazing

Thanks for this series Drongo. Been loving it. Keep up the austism!

Gooday Drongo This is an absolute action movie. Felt like I was watching a historical empires clash movie with so talented players. Can’t wait for outback octagon 3 (hope there is an announcement for it). I must say that puppypaw got lucky few times for his sneaky king kills. As for beastyqt, unlucky. One thing to mention, Drongo you are the GOAT commentator for AOE -despite you missing in few kings kills-😅 Anyway I had great time.

has wam and puppy ever goes against each other in the beginning in the whole series ? sus

Now you have to make playlists for each of the outback octagons

We are seeing double salt and honey trade networks coming out from our Ottoman players today... A change in the meta indeed...

I'm not saying there was teaming but... clearly preference.

That was amazing tournament Drongo. Cant wait for 3rd instalment! But man, i feel sorry for Beasty. The ammount of gangbangs he experienced is inmeasurable. Also brothers playstyle is kinda sticky for me.

I have to wonder if this being Nomad really brings anything to tournament besides a slower start to the action and unfair spawns. I know all the talk is about teaming right now, and rightfully so, but if players spawned equidistant with more balanced starting resources I can't help but think it would be more fun to watch. Anyways still enjoyed OO2 overall and looking forward to the next one. It's getting better each time!

How was that not teaming against beasty?? 3 vs 1 and they all attack at the same time like come on Drongo?

I thought the rules early on had a pretty good impact on the teaming issue but unfortunately the finals with puppy and wam brought them all back. The amount of times they avoided fighting eachother and sometimes even targeted the same players at the same time.. sometimes crossing the map to do so.. hard not to see it any other way. The problem is that i dont know how to avoid this without excluding one of them from the tournament which i dont want either. I just want so see fair competion but dont know how we get there. I mean, what, make a rule that they have to be in separate rooms, no contact between eachother with anonymous names? Lol that cant be enforced. Congrats to puppy in any case, hopefully someone smarter than me can figure out some more ways to avoid the quiet teaming for OO3

Well done making this a great OO! Designing rules to make a game fun to watch is no mean feat, and this was a great success!

Great game again. Thanks for the mild distraction & background noise during work and or shores around the house for the last few weeks! See you in Outback Octagon 3

the octagon been amazing and i love every second of it, everyone is so amazing and it's just very epic to watch them play

Wam and Puppy brotherhood is a problem to the competition.

Thank you Drongo, and everyone else involved. Great games!

Hey DRONGO, very new fan of the whole casting thing. My first video I watched you cast was viper winning some tournament and I was fuck that guy is good. And you helped me be a one stop viewer to now a kick back and cheer beasty and zalami on cause the viper don’t ply much aoe4. Anyways thanks man you dumb this game down a lot for beginners and it’s super fun to hear and see the enthusiam you have within you of the competitive scene in aoe4. ✌️ As a rookie viewer I accidentally watched outback octagon 2 before 1 and I loved 2 a lot more with the king etc. it was so fun to have you share casting with Lidacore and the others they are great. Can we have a 2v3 the viper and beasty vs 3 up and comer players. (The kid) and OURK and someone else. It was be really interesting to see how beasty and viper go at a disadvantage..

Looking forward to the next tournament now, teamgames would be awesome though!

What a OO2 season. This was very entertaining💜 Thanks for casting drongo! Amazing work

been a pleasure watching every single game, keep the good work up.

I think at a certain point having an "unfortunate spawn" is inexcusable. I get the whole point of random and for casual pvp it works just fine. But a tournament of this caliber should level things a bit more because as someone else mentioned, we saw some players consistently get bad spawns. In addition, making players anonymous only fixes half the problem. Players can still make a truce with communication outside the chat. It would only help protect those on the hit list like Beasty. I really think there needs to be a solution to that. At a minimum, anonymous players and evenly spaced out spawns to start.

loved this ! cant wait for the octagon 3!!!

cant wait for the next series love this show! btw don was malding hard :D

Wonderful game and cast yet again!

7:07 the fact that Drongo paused and did not say "that's what she said", made me laugh even more

Loved the series!!! Thanks Drongo!

The puppy and wam thing could be pretty historically accurate for feudal empires! Brothers that inherited different holdings by marriage could end up finding themselves on the opposite sides of a conflict between their respective counts or dukes. They would still fight each other, but never fully commit. Or each waits for the other to trip up and then backstabs them.

this format of ffa is great. thanks for great games and casting

Don Artie had a crazy spot first TC spot resourse-wise

After binge watching the entirety of OO1 and OO2 I can say this is easily the most entertaining AOE4 tournament there is. Awesome job! I can't wait for OO3! However, it definitely needs some small tweaks. Points should be 4 for a win and 1 for each eliminated player. Simple. Having 4 for a win plus 1 for each person remaining at the time of the start of the win condition plus an additional point if you kill said person during the win condition is confusing and inflates points. This allowed PP to win with that awful 13 point game when ML won 2 games and generally played better imo. Teaming needs to be addressed. It was obvious PP and Wam were working together. The king is WAY better than landmarks. Transport ships and king running is fine. If you are attempting a king kill and not accounting for them to run via land or water that is on you. With a simple strat, you can catch the king easily. Amazing tournament, congrats to PP for securing the bag even though he cheesed OO1 with the way too high kill points and teamed in the second. Thanks for coming to my OO ted talk.

F for beasty. Had a blast to fan for you haha

Wam and puppy being brothers seems like a conflict of interest to the competition and shows in this game and the last 2…

What a comeback from beasty last game

I'm not the biggest Beasty fan, but i think the finals games were really biased to him, each game Puppypaw or Wam attacked him without attacking each other. They are brothers it's alright, but it feels slighty like teaming for me, i mean look at 20:10, clearly they refuse to attack each other. Anyway can't wait for Outback Octagon 3 !!

The final was over in minute 20:00. And Ourk baking out after Puppy's wonder made zero sense somehow... But overall, they handed the win to PP

Thank you and this had a much better point system than in Octogon 1, therefore better games.

Such a great series!!

The wild and misfortunate tale 🅁🄴🄻🄰🅃🄸🄽🄶 Beasty, Don and 🅃🅁🄸🄰🄽🄶🄻🄴🅂 Game 23: Three players, Beasty, Wam0, and Don, spawn together in a close quarters 🅃🅁🄸🄰🄽🄶🄻🄴 with ML a full map distance away. Beasty begins the first fight with his neighbor Wam0 [10 min]. After fighting Wam0 for a the next 10 minutes, Wam0 is essentially done. In the last 2 minutes of this fight however, ML sends a small group of cavalry not to his neighbor, but all the way across the map (it takes 2 full minutes to get there) and snipes first blood and dips. A few seconds later, a group of horsemen from Puppy is sent on a 4 minute journey across the map towards sacred and a weakened Don and Beasty. By the time they arrive, Beasty is in yet another conflict, now with Don, and is sniped by Puppy's horsemen. The horsemen dip, following, and eventually sniping Dons fleeing king shortly after. Puppy wins big in the most uncontested ending in OO history. Game 24: Three players, Wam0, puppy, and ML spawn together in a close quarters 🅃🅁🄸🄰🄽🄶🄻🄴 and now Beasty is a quarter of the map away. Beasty and his neighbor again start the first fight [15 min]. Meanwhile, a new 🅃🅁🄸🄰🄽🄶🄻🄴 spawn variant forms, one that is 🄸🄽🅃🄴🄶🅁🄰🄻 to the fate of the entire game. The ever powerful, coveted and controversial 𝕋𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖓𝖌𝖑𝖊 𝖔𝖋 𝕃𝖔𝖛𝖊 emerges. Wam0, Puppy, and ML don't attack each other until 𝟜𝟘 𝕄𝕀ℕ𝕌𝕋𝔼𝕊 of villagers gathering next to each other in each others base, even while Puppys army, who is once again, half way across the map in beasty's base, trying to take advantage or snipe a weakened Beasty, who has been in yet another >10 fight with his neighbor that he's just about to close out - and again misses another first blood. The state of the game is 🄰🄻🄴🅁🅃🄸🄽🄶 to even Drongo and the audience alike, but the controversy is apparently dismissed or justified on the terms of its members being in a very legendarily unique situation -- the never before seen (by judges apparently) 'close quarters 🅃🅁🄸🄰🄽🄶🄻🄴 spawn'. Game 25: Three players, Beasty, Wam0, and Don, are now back to game 23's situation - spawned together again in guess what? That's right! A close quarters 🅃🅁🄸🄰🄽🄶🄻🄴! Now Puppy is a quarter of a map away. Will Beasty, Wam0 and Don imitate the last game and create their own controversial 𝖙𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖓𝖌𝖑𝖊 𝖔𝖋 𝖑𝖔𝖛𝖊 together? Will they get to farm in each others farms, chop trees together, maybe have the villagers pat each other on their 𝖇𝖚𝖓𝖙𝖎 𝖇𝖔𝖙𝖙𝖔𝖒𝖘 as they walk past each other for 40 mins? No. Beasty and his neighbor start yet another first fight [off camera ~10:09]. But they aren't alone. Beasty finds himself in the 🄶🄽🄰🅁🄻🄸🄴🅂🅃 3 v 1 within 5 minutes, involving two of the previous game’s ℂ𝖔𝖚𝖓𝖈𝖎𝖑 𝖔𝖋 𝕃𝖔𝖛𝖊 members, wam0 and puppypaw (who's again sending horsemen to snipe Beasty who is again, already in a conflict) and Beasty gets killed at 17:02. As in game 23, Dons king is killed by members of this 𝕃𝖔𝖛𝖊 ℝ𝖊𝖕𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖎𝖈 shortly after [20:02]... again. Members of the council don't seriously attack each other for the next 25 minutes [44:32] and even agrees to share gold with one another at 40:11, even as PuppyPaw strolls 5 great bombards, 2 mangonels and an army through firing range of ~45 of defenseless and isolated wam0 villagers 40:23 (one mangonel eventually is pulled, takes makes a single shot at the villager, and the rest are chased out by horsemen and archers. ~1/4 of the villagers are lost). The council then later holds a quick 𝔻𝖊𝖑𝖊𝖌𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝔸𝖕𝖕𝖆𝖗𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖑𝖞 𝕁𝖚𝖘𝖙𝖎𝖋𝖎𝖊𝖉 𝕃𝖔𝖛𝖊 in the chat [1:20:15], looking for clarification on if PuppyPaw really has to fight another member or if he can just let another member win. At this moment, by a twist of fate or odd superstition, the original council of love from the previous game have form their magnum opus -- a perfect, sturdy, full map 𝕃𝖔𝖛𝖊 𝕋𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖓𝖌𝖑𝖊. Three players -- nay -- three beasty-less vertexes equilateral to each other once again.... Coincidence? Natural order? Or perhaps, a calculated arrangement to display domination? Maybe a cultic reference to the back of US Dollar bills? Or a worship practice of the ancient Egyptian Ra, in an attempt to grant favor for more DLC from Relic? I'll let you decide. Now I'm not really sus believer at all, I don't think there is any collusion or bad faith plays personally. BUT. Coincidence/bad luck or crazy collusion, as an observer, this is WILD. More 🄰🄻🄴🅁🅃🄸🄽🄶 to me, is what is the moral here? Is local first blood cursed? Is eco booming in your other two neighbors bases the new strat? Is sending horsemen into outer space to snipe a weakened Beasty and then follow up with a weakened Don the new meta? Are 🅃🅁🄸🄰🄽🄶🄻🄴🅂 OP? Do they justify open and obvious 🅃🅁🄴🄰🅃🄸🅂?

kinda loved when then chat section got "hijacked" around 36 mins. kinda heartwarming too honestly.

Beasty turning into John Wick for Outback Octagon 3, or the next 1v1 Tournament for sure

Not gonna lie, that timing on the surround from Puppy and Wam01 on Beasty kinda sus, especially on Don, they both attacked practically at the same time. Weird.

Look at the chat, they where 100% teaming, wam protest against his brother, for sniping his kill, in a suspicious way.

That was really awesome thank you.

i enjoyed watching this and you do a great job commentating, but watching the way puppy and wam played the last 3 games is infuriating and this can NEVER happen again.

Szalami getting more cash rewards then the champion Puppy 😂

That last meme with 80 bunti just destroyed me 😂😂😂😂

THANK YOU DRONGO

hhahaha that random drongo small pee pee in the chat

victory anthem for ML at the end was perfect xD

35:50 Very interesting message for Drongo in the chat there god I love these players lololol

I think this tournament needs the anonymous name mod. Also, ngl, the king got old real fast. More often than not, the person who won the fight usually didn't get the kill on the king due to it running towards some other players base who had boomed all game, and they'd get the easiest lucky snipe of their lives. If I was a player, losing those points like that to someone who did none of the work would piss me off majorly. At least with static win conditions, you have to go out of your way to earn the snipe kill.

Just watch minute 17, puppy knew the direction of beasty, hes knight was going to that direction!!!! without any scout or info he knew!!! should ban one brother even without name they can tell each other the direction

1:16 lolz my money gotta be on Ourk from those spawns! If he's not scouted out he's boomin!

what song do you play at the end

1. Make the players anonymous as to where only casters know who is whom. 2. Monitor each player so it is clear that “twins” aren’t talking off the game chat irl. Outback Octagon 3, waiting 👍

I didn't knew this game is like 2 weeks ago

I've said this on like the last three videos so sorry for the spam but maybe if you're awesome enough and available enough to make another brilliant series, Drongo, the scoring could be: If you kill a player, gain 2 points. If that player has killed another player, gain 1 point extra per kill they have. It would massively incentivize killing strong players.

Also thanks for a brilliant series! ❤❤❤ 🎉🎉🎉

THANK YOU FOR THIS! All of youuuu