I really didn't want to get a Tesla, but ultimately the supercharger network was one of the main reasons I did.

It’s really a shame. I honestly thought manufacturers would take the charging network more seriously by now. Tesla clearly still leads the way in such a critical aspect of ev usage.

@@PumpUptheJam81 What's sad is the CCS consortium has been discussing (and I assume refining the protocol for) ISO 15118 (CCS3?.... Plug and charge) since 2010, that'll (probably) be about the same time Tesla started on the Superchargers. The "Start-up" devised a system, built the prototypes and built an impressive network within 8 years.

Just bought my first full electric and can confirm that functionality is hit or miss.

Electrify America by VW

Those ioniq guys looked like they were driving in a sauna.

@37:40 confimed at @52:15

arriving with nothing left is the way to go, get them big watt charging speeds!

Tesla's (mine at least) doesn't charge too fast below about 8%. The Porsche does. So the tactic is slightly different.

@Jonathan Loeppky Battery cells have a minimum voltage, below which they can be permanently damaged. When an electric car is at an indicated 0% charge, the cells are all still above that minimum threshold. Damage is only done if you drive till 0% and then leave it unparked for a long time (days at least but it varies) without plugging it back in, such that it drains to below the minimum voltage level. Leaving an EV parked and plugged in at 1%, 0%, 20%, 10%, is all fine. In fact those low states of charge is where degradation happens the slowest. Manufacturers advise against going below 20% only to avoid accidental bricking of battery packs should you do something unusual like drive down to 5% then leave on vacation for 3 months without plugging the car in, and ruining it.

Very mem er of this Race would have been perfectly Fine. Not Kyle. He is the King of EV Road Trips . Perhaps only Björn (from Norway) could match him. This would be a true Race.

@@cordkretzschmar5693 I want to see this race. Come on Bjorn!

Seems like Kyle doesent care about Battery life.There is alot of reasons why Chargers and software in Tesla are designed/made that way bcs they are more of a proach of battery longevity in mind/oriented (constidering battery packs being expensive as hell to change/replace) while it seems otehr companies arent so much keen on that aproach.

@@goranstojanov1160 That is what a sore loser would say. Everything better than Tesla must be bad for batteries, for sure...and only their 4680 has low resistance for fast charging, nobody else. 🙈

much has to be improved, saturation is one thing but the efficiency and usability have some way to go.

These chargers are way easier to build and place than gas stations and will quickly overwhelm the number of gas up spots available.

Our family owns 4 EV’s, one of which is a Tesla and is, by far, the easiest to charge.

@@Merakis100 still, it takes time, we will just have to be patient. I can foresee gas stations will slowly replace these gas refuel kiosks into electric charger kiosks.

@@Merakis100 WRONG!!!!! Tesla litetraly had BUNCH of problems and in some towns,counties,states WERE LITTERALY BANNED/RESTRICTED TO EVEN BUILD SUPPERCHARGERS!!!!!!! Tere were litteraly places where Tesla litetraly had to wait for hal;f ayear to several years JUTS TO INSTAL 1 SUPPERCHARGER. Then there were places/owners who demanded big unreasonable rates/cuts from charging station instalment.There is a BUNHC of reasosnt that HURTS EV supercharging networs epsecialy Tesla supercharging network from legislators to politicians to stuborn people demanding extremely higher cust/tips/money for instalmet of supercharger on their property. The reason why SOME of the chargers aare much quicker nad faster to insatl is due to being GOVERMENTAL body that does it or BEING UNDER GOVERMENTAL HAND so to say.

Well. I think the anxiety comes from the persistent planing and actions that ENSURE that the cars don't run out of charge. The anxiety is in the background.

I have a Kia EV6 and as far as I know I can't see the battery temp anywhere.

@@toiletpaper4 18 and paycheck to paycheck is the type of person that CANNOT afford an EV.

@@suserman7775 I have to use a phone app to see battery temperature off an OBD2 adapter. We REALLY need a battery temp gauge. It would be super useful.

I am super surprised given how hard some of them pushed the range.

We should start an EV owner groundswell and get large conspicuous stickers to do ourselves

EA should charge more per kWh for the 350 cabinets

To make it easier for a slow charging EV to find it and take it up, thinking it will charge faster?

it does seem they are numbered left to right, so if you look at the app before you arrive you'll know which #2 are 350.

Cars slower than 152 kW should pay a penalty if they take up a 350 station if a 150 is available.

Love hearing this, Jack! That's part of what we love about EV road trips is meeting other EV owners at charging stations along the way! 💙

@@Livshaka you guys were awesome!

@@brich2929 aww thanks brich!! 💙⚡

They weren't going for the win from the get go. They went for confort. Think Mach-E could've done okay or better had they pushed range, etc. Same for MOdel X.

Yeah, in my country EVs are a common thing now and charging is basically flawless. I kinda miss the days when EVs were exciting and chargers were few and far between. You know, the kind of adventures you get now. And the chats with strangers who were curious and often puzzled by EVs or geeking out with other EV owners at the charger. Good times, enjoy them!

Oddly, most of the charging issues were due to 'Plug & Charge', vs just using the app.

I wonder how many people actually need any of those. If there is an EV with none of those, but less than $10k, I would get that and just rent an ICE for the few times I need to go on a trip, which is almost never.

The Ioniq 5 comes with 2 years of free Electrify America charging... so prob nothing for them.

yeah the Taycan might be the best performer machine but all of them seemed like good commuters, I would've loved if they could've appointed some old Model S in the fleet for comparison

I also got the feeling that the ioniq 5 guys turned off all climate control. Why were they so sweaty.

I’m like 99% sure the model 3 wasn’t last lol. If you watch the end of the video you can see the model 3 come in and then the Mach-e finishes like 30ish minutes after them

nice thing about tesla chargers for me is no need to use an app, just stuff the cable in. has always worked so far! apps can eat a dick.

Yeah, but if you can afford it, most people would take the Taycan over the other cars because it's really superior in every way except cargo space... I've test-driven lots of different BEVs in the last 2-3 years, and nothing comes close to the Taycan in terms of fun and enjoyment behind the wheel...

I always watch longer videos at 1.25x speed...makes it look like they're driving too fast though lol

... and essential for widespread BEV adoption... automakers need to grasp this fact NOW (they can't rely on unaffiliated charging companies alone; they need to be intimately involved in charging stations)...

I expected the Ioniq to be right with the Taycan, honestly. As Kyle mentioned they screwed themselves on the first charge. If Kyle was driving the Ioniq, it would have won over the Taycan.

@@BDogg314 Once the Ioniq gets preconditioning, it's pretty much game over as long as the chargers are functioning...

The X (and 3) drivers had no idea what they were doing (vs Kyle who knew everything). The Tesla Map shows the charging speed for all stations -- not utilized even once during the trip. Little or no reason to stop at 150KW stations. Also, to match Kyle's planning -- the X / 3 should have hand-picked each station instead of just going when the car suggested. Kyle would have won in the X, 3, Ionic or Tycan (maybe even the Mach E). Video highlighted a few to me: 1) driver matters; 2) non-Tesla charging stations are still difficult (bad screens, connection problem, slow to start, sometimes broken, have to worry about them being in use b/c there's only a few at each stop). 3) All cars did well on this route and capable of a road trip... and this will get better as more chargers roll out. I just hope all chargers get to the point where they're as easy as Tesla superchargers (plug-in... no screen to read, no buttons to push, no phone / app, etc.).

@@KenPaulsen13 I guess... this is a good representation of 'needing to know what you're doing' to roadtrip an EV optimally - even if you're driving a Tesla. Compared to an ICE vehicle where you don't need to know or do anything beforehand.

The nice thing about a gas vehicle is you just fill it to full and not have to sit there and do the math of how far to next charging station to how much range you need. That trip I maybe would have had to stop twice for gas but may have just been once. Never done that route so not sure how the climbs would affect my range. I will stick with gas engine for trips like this.

A Bolt?

I was dying for it to come out hehe

And use the heating/air. They need to pack a lunch. I felt sorry for her to have to eat something she didn't like

@@rosmarin2438 I was hoping for a Bolt as well.

More to come!

@@OutofSpecMotoring Now do cannonball with everyone.

I think it should be called Cannon ball charge, no t more than 5mph over speed limit from NY to CA

Try an ev6 next time

Except in this case, what should happen is either everyone is "educated" regarding the "expert tips" (example, don't select a charger as a destination, to avoid premature preheat) or, drive as an "EV Newbie" would, to highlight deficiencies and give information to the providers to improve the system. ..... 85% of users won't be familiar, or necessarily care about changing from range mode to performance to "game" the battery temp.... Defeats the object of the exercise?

Ikr 😆🥰😎

Seems like that kind of relationship where the guy does whatever he wants and the girl is secretly sick of him and annoyed

Well these days their relationship is purely professional, they broke up. Perhaps unsurprisingly given what you note here.

It is a grain of sand on a beach. I think Kyle knowledgeable enough to figure that out

Kyle also seemed annoyed with Alyssa in part 1, when she bought a whole case of water saying that could lower the efficiency of the Taycan, never mind that Alyssa is probably lighter than all of the other drivers/riders in the race...

Yeah he should totally consider buying that.

It’s a blank canvas for something unique. An EV road-trip destination. I might just build a hotel next to it. With J1772 for every room.

Yeah sadly I have to agree. This race was still really exciting but there were lots of factors imo that slowed the other cars down, especially the Tesla’s. The 3 had a swap and both the x and the 3 hit really slow charging almost the whole route.

@@Jaxamuss I’ve driven up and down CA and have hit numerous slow superchargers. OR, a long wait as they can get pretty busy.

Explain away all you want, it is not a coincidence that the 2 winners are the cars with 800 volt architecture. The fact is that Tesla has an outdated architecture that hurts them on charge speed. I am sure we will see Tesla switch over soon.

@@vmanrn2906 Actualy ist NOT OUTDATED!!! ITS DUE TO 1)SUPERCHARGERS 2) IST BCS TESLAS ARE MADE BY DESIGN TO SAVE BATTERY LIFE!!!!!!!! SINCE ITS INCEPTIO THE SOFTWARE THAT IS BASCISALY ATATCHED TO ABTTERIES/CONNECTED TO IS AMDE TO THINK ABOUT BATTERY LONGEVETY!!!!!!!! TAHST TEH REASON WHY THERE ARE LIMITERS!!!! TESLA IS MAKING CHARGERS AND DOING INCRIMENTAL UPDATES WITH THE MIND OF BATTERY LONGEVITY IN MIND WHILE OTEHRS DONT FOLLOW THAT PRACTICE.

@@goranstojanov1160 It is clearly outdated and it has nothing to do with battery life. All EV companies have software that trottles the charging speed. Of course some are more agressive than others, but Tesla is actually being more agressive with their batteries than the competition.

It is. And the cheaper cars road trip great too like the Ioniq 5, model 3, ev6, and even Niro and Kona. Older cars are slower at charging like the Leaf and Bolt. But spending $22000 on a cheap bolt is a great deal if you don't mind a cheap car.

Absolutely. If you have kids, charging speeds are not a concern at all. Up until the beginning of the pandemic, we were road tripping from the Bay Area to Disneyland about 6 times a year since getting our early 2013 Model S. It charges at 90kW max and we never had to wait for the car to charge. And there were far fewer chargers a decade ago. Sometimes our stops would be 1.5 to 2 hours long because the baby was fussy and refused to get back into the car seat. Sometimes, we would have to pull over to the side of the road for an hour because a kid threw up and another was hungry. Charging the car added zero time to the trip.

@@ken830 Glad to hear you're still rocking a classic Tesla. I still love my 2015 Model S and have no plans to sell it!

@@ken830 that describes exactly why I don’t ever want kids

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EV1 getoverit biscotti

@@rp9674 Coal Rolled Cold Brew

also that's more comparable to what regular people would do

Well yeah the real comparison would be the model Y LR which it’s much more similar in price to. Honestly the Model Y would do even better than the Model X here with better efficiency and same charging rates. You definitely start to get diminishing returns on EVs once you get over 60-65k IMO

@@philorgneopolotin8762 Nope. The new X gets similar efficiency to the Y and the X has a larger battery.

I'm guessing most EV drivers keep SOC between 20%-80%, not 5%-55% like Kyle did in this race. Taycan's charging peaks at 250kw between 5%-25% (vs Ioniq 5's 235kw 10%-45%) It's also fairly apparent that Kyle has driven in this particular route and was familiar with charging situation at various charging stations while others weren't. I feel that this race was somewhat pointless in that it tested Kyle's knowledge of this particular route and Taycan, not the charging speed/battery range of all EV's in the race.

@@tooltalk Taycan can still charge at 269 kW at 46 %.

Definitely

If you are not in a hurry the road trip is better.

Yea, it looked like the Mach E occupants had the best time, even though they came in last, Fast thru life isn't always best.

I totally agree. And with more and more charging locations they have more and more options that can match any style. So like to drive as far as possible then do a stop, others like me like more frequent but shorter stops. My normal trips I like to stop about every 150-200 miles for about 15 minutes.

​@@techyjames1945 Back when I had my first EV - Nissan Leaf 24kWh - I did a few longer trips that inevitably required quite a few charging stops. This seemed tedious on one hand with such a short-range car (100-140km) but I found that at the destination, I felt a lot more rested and my body wasn't as stiff had I gone in single leg. Say what you will but we should embrace stopping, taking a short walk much more often and stop focusing on the destination so much.

Thanks Mr. Novak! She's so sweet and she's made such a lovely establishment!

What is the max charge rate you get with ccs? Thx

@@suresh_elonbro around 180kW, ccs at non tesla chargers is limited to 500A.

At the Supercharger you can get 250kw. At an Ionity charger which is Europe‘s Electrify America you can get 180-190 max with a Tesla and also at other Fast Charging Stations. The ionity Stations also have 350kw max but this is only achievable with an 800v based car like the Taycan.

Same story with Australia. We get the euro spec Tesla with CCS.

well the road/rout was planned by Kyle and was planned to be won by Kyle.Atleast i commend him for admitting to it stating that Tesla chargers on that rout arent all V3 charegrs (and even if it was Tesla V3 chargers and still its software is designed for battery longevity so even if there was 500kw charger the Software itself would limit the charging speed due to being designed to maintain longevity of th battery lifespam)

💙

Someone that gets it.

Wearing

Next time maybe Kyle should do this race in a Subaru solterra or Toyota bz4x….

@@Wasabi9111 That’s just silly.

The Taycan and Mach E groups should switch on the way back to show how much closer they would be with a driver who knows all the tricks.

@@Cornelius87 yes!

@@Wasabi9111 they'd still be on the road. lol

haha he could call it the Pink River

@@Livshaka I want to buy that coffee shop and just hang out all day with EV drivers.

@@loriallen67 that would be so fun. And have EV themed drinks and food ⚡😃

@@Livshaka oooooh. High voltage black coffee, thermal management iced coffee, pack preconditioning espresso shots, EVSE iced tea…….

According to ABRP, the difference would have been about 2-3 hours, not 5-10 hours. The Bolt gets better efficiency than most of the cars in this race, which partially compensates for its slower charging speeds. But, if the 6 year-old tech means buying a $22k used vehicle, rather than a $50-150k new vehicle, the Bolt driver still gets the last laugh. If the Bolt driver really wants to spend money to save time, they can just fly on an airplane.

That would interesting

Mach E charges at decent speeds up until the point that it doesn’t and jumps down to L2 speeds. While the PS2 has a more linear charge curve that starts falling off in the low 40’s and takes a nosedive at 80 and 90%. It really would have had to be a FWD with heat pump to have a fighting chance.

Same. At first I planned on watching this over a couple of days but wound up just watching both parts right behind each other.

Or you could just use plug n charge. ☺️

@@abraxastulammo9940 That takes just as long.

@@abraxastulammo9940 that's gonna be quite a race

@@abraxastulammo9940 I remember in a previous video, Kyle said that the downside to plug and charge, is that it doesn't use membership pricing, so it always locked him into the higher 43 cent/kwh rate.

Taycan has PnC but Kyle never makes an OEM pay for his miles.

Ioniq 5 now also comes with the larger ~77 kWh as the EV6 so it's not a massive difference now compared to the "old" ~72kWh Ioniq.

@@_TrueDesire_ U.S. spec has always been 77 kWh.

@@psnbrry we got the short stick 😂

😄😆😅🤣

You pay about 5-15k premium (if you count the EV tax credits) for a BEV over the same gas model. You'll typically make up the cost difference in around 5 years with fuel savings. 800v/300Watt charging is the main way forward for BEV. charging is barely longer than a gas fill up.

@@AndrewDomman Every point made in your statement is totally false. The premium you mention is close, but the rest of what said is a big NO!!! I can buy at least ten years worth of gasoline for the price difference so even if I got all my electricity for free I couldn't make up the difference in ten years, much less three.

It's one reason why I won't jump onto a BEV yet. I have a 2009 Prius which gives me 550 miles in winter and 600 miles a tank in the summer. I do a 78 mile commute to work and back so anything under 300 miles would mean I'd need to quite regularly charge up. It takes me 3 minutes to fill up on petrol as we call it here in the UK . I may or may not hit 80-90 mph regularly on my commute but speed limits do change from 30 to 50 to 70 to 50 and then 40/30 until I'm home.