I would have liked to see the car scanner display what the real SoC at 0% was.

2k more gets you an awd 4680 equipped 50+more miles of range and much better at everything tesla model y. 👍🏻

@@4literv6 The Y is not better at everything lol… the ID4 is much more comfortable and better built.. the base model is also more than $8k less than the very base Model Y.

​@@4literv6 Exactly. I wanted the ID.4, but they are over priced. Ended up with a BOLT EUV for 12K less compared to 82kwh ID.4

@@4literv6 Model Y rides like shit and loud as heck. There is more to a car than just a big range number & 0-60 times.

@@nothere572 this spec id.4 as tested is without awd, very slow charging for a 2023 ev and shorter range by 50+miles yet is only 2k cheaper. Try to keep up will ya. 47k for an awd superior in every way model y with 270 miles of range, just 15mins for 150miles back charging. No wonder it's the most popular ev ever made and the world's first ever best selling ev. 😎👍🏻

Yeah he keeps churning out videos.

It’s amazing to watch Kyle really progress

Fr fr. Binge watch this guy lmaoo

Why?

I think he said that previously in the beginning of vid. 00:10 it was already clear it was 62 kWh battery pack from beginning

I'm in Buffalo area, which means very cold winters. 39K for a car that will give me 125-140 miles in cold? If chargers were reliable, then it would be OK. Better get the BOLT EUV for 10K less. Base Equinox will be at 30K with 250 miles. Way over priced, but a beautiful design.

Charger isn’t magically going to be available exactly at the place where you need it. And you can’t charge the car to 100% regularly. Then discount range some more for cold weather. Discount some more for eventual battery pack degradation after 2-3 years. Once you do all of this, you will quickly realize you need the larger battery pack if you want to road trip the car (if all you want to do is commute to work, then smaller pack is just fine).

@@kodekabuki 1) that's a charging problem, not a range problem. 2) don't need to charge to 100%. I never have. 3) cold weather range drop is usually pretty exaggerated. The range killer is towing. 4) same with degradation: mostly exaggerated unless you're a Leaf owner. This very channel has a video on degradation at 100K miles in a Model 3 showing how little range has been lost. 5) if I can road trip in a Bolt on the original battery pack (which has the worst charging performance next to the AWD bz4X) the small pack ID.4 can fair just fine. Definitely not limited to commuting.

Except it only goes 60 miles on a 15 min charge so you would be stopping every hour for 15 min or every two hours for a half hour. Not saying it’s a bad car but it’s not compelling for road tripping yet. It can be done but there are much better alternatives.

@@NF-rl9xh so you agree with me, then, that the bottle neck is the recharge time? Good to see we are on the same page!

That was Tom I think

@@marcusrose5943 No it was Kyle and Jordan. It is possible Tom did one as well.

It’s 3.4 miles per kWh.

I have the 2021 with the 3.1 software and haven't experienced anywhere near that charging rate.

I have a 2022 Pro S with the LG battery and 3.1. I have charged as high as 181 kW!

And my max has been 129 kW

@@bradleyanderson4315 the only way to get more than 135kw, is to use a 350kw stall. For some reason the EA 150 will top off for the ID.4 at 135kw.

They’re not offered here because they won’t sell. US wants range, range and more range plus performance. The Id series is slow.

SUV craze is going on in USA. VW discontinued golf and only sell GTI and Golf R.

​@@alexnutcasio936The ID3 outaccelerates the Model Y rwd till 60 mph because of the short transition.

Original Model S 60

I have 133k on my 2019 Model 3 Long Range...I'd be willing to let Kyle use it for a range test.

Same in my 22 pro s rwd

If you are charging for more than three hours, you are parking, NOT charging.

Battery damage gets worse the lower the state of charge gets and the longer you let the battery be in that state. Letting the car sit at indicated 0% for any longer that necessary is therefore a bad idea, but it would be even worse at true 0% (without buffer). So the buffer keeps the battery somewhat alive if people do the most stupid thing, while the red alert tells people what they SHOULD do.

Penance. I know, I was raised Catholic.

It was $3 only from 87% to 100%. ~8 kWh of battery at $0.36/kWh

DUH.

He said at one point the usable capacity is 57 kwh in that one. That would be 3.368 so guessing that is how the 3.4 number was calculated.

1) Gross capacity is 62 kWh. Net capacity (theoretically usable) is around 58 kWh. Because of losses within the battery (e.g. due to relativly high currents while driving), only a little bit less is actually usable (let's say 57 kWh). And there you have it: 3.37 mi/kWh. 2) Additionally (although it's a smaller difference), the car jumped to 192 already at 19:00 and Kyle drove well over another minute with quite some speed after that. So it's maybe even closer to 193 mi 3) The car only showed the red alert after Kyle went into P. As far as I know our MEB car, this only means that you should NOT let the battery sit at 0% for longer that absolutely necessary and charge NOW. The blue "available power" bar visible at 20:25 still showed a decent amount of power left. So the battery was not completely empty, but from the information we have, we can only speculate how much energy was still in there.

Do you want a sedan or crossover?

ID4 or the Tesla Kia Niro is an outdated relic

@@brandenflasch that’s my internal debate. I do have 3 kids but when we go on family outings we usually take the Kia minivan. I like the practicality of the hatch design, but I also like the efficiency and the ability to charge to 100% with the LFP ( I live in Florida so charging in the cold isn’t an issue). I also like the warranty of the Hyundai group products. I would probably gravitate towards the hatch design, but not by much🤷‍♂️

@@ebernier797 Niro needs to die just like the Bolt Bring on modern EV’s for the modern people

If you have no particular preference for format, the M3/LFP is the winner. Cheapest, tax credit, and the SuperCharger network. (This comes from someone that had a Niro EV and sold it strictly because the CCS charging network - even for the occasional trip - is so poor.) I really liked the Niro, and we loved the ID.4 (which was brutally expensive when we bought the Kia.) I like my Tesla well enough. I LOVE the charging network. Even for the once monthly road trip, it's a game changer.

39K for a vehicle that will give you 160-170 miles if you respect the 80% charge rule? Get the BOLT EUV for 28K. I get 160-170 miles with my BOLT EUV in winter months. Meaning that ID.4 would get you 120 miles tops. It's OK for most owners, but not at that price.

Lol it’s not the driverless cars that are dystopian it’s a built environment that necessitates them that’s dystopian.

Do you drive 420 miles without stopping? If you do, you are a hazard to everyone on the road. Real world science is hard.

And if you live in Western NY state, the cold will get you at 100 miles, if you're lucky. 39K??? No thanks!!!! It's too bad, because it's a gorgeous vehicle.

​@@bmw803But there is a bigger battery, this one is for soccer moms 😉 Europe even has the 52 kWh version.

And it is discontinued?

How? That would make it cheaper than a bare bones Corolla

I could argue it's about 7-10k over where it should ideally be priced. But 25k? Can you share the reasoning behind that claim. Even my little beater 2018 fiesta se in 2023 dollars assuming Ford still made them would cost me just over 24k. Without ttl fees or markups.🤔

@@4literv6 thank you for the question. Let's use the example that you did in a Ford Fiesta. If it would really cost 24k today it too would be grossly overpriced. However what would you pay for Fiesta gas model if it only went around 190 miles on a tank of gas, summertime, about half that wintertime, and took over an hour to fill it up with gas? For me that ID-4 is only worth around 12k because of short range and long charge time.

@@JohnSmith-ug5ci are you not a homeowner or have an off st driveway to park it on, with working reliable electricity then? 80-85% of new car buyers in the U.S. are homeowners with six figure household incomes. And 83% of all car's sold in 2022 we're financed. So logic says with over 2/3rds of us citizens living in a single family home. Somewhere to park an ev, with reliable electricity service to re charge it is the current reality. Until we hit at least 80% adoption anyway, which will likely occur around 2030 or sooner. 🤔 Counter point to your mis informed claim about charging time is. An ev takes mere seconds to plug in at home, work, the mall etc and you go about your business while it charges up. Our bolt charges up overnight on only emissions free electricity from wind,hydro or nuclear. 400kwhs free monthly is good enough for 1,200-1,600 free miles a month. 😎 It actually has longer range per charge in mixed or in town use driving than the fiesta. Less on the hwy though to your point by about 50 miles. Pre warming it keeps winter range to about what the fiesta loses when cold. So within 10-15% or so of the warm weather driving range. No oil changes, no tune ups, no emissions, no engine air filters used. Brake pads look brand new and tires are good after 20k and 3 rotations. Cost less than the fiesta to buy as well pre car buying madness and ev adoption accelerating. Plus a replaced pack to. 🤔

@@4literv6 if you want to overpay do it. I am not going to do it.

Not everyone wants a damn Tesla!!

@@joeyyung911 Let's see. 1,300,000 sales last year, and there will be nearly 2,000,000 sales this year for Tesla. And Tesla is making nearly a $10,000 profit per car. No other car company is making a profit on their EVs except BYD. Mary Berra just said GM won't be making a profit on their EVs until the end of the decade. Yikes! Seems your comment is a bit irrational....... I love my Model Y. Best car I ever had.

@777Outrigger Who gives a shit if every other asshole drives a Tesla? Yeah, let's ALL have the same looking car.

​@@joeyyung911 Of course not, but for an extra 2K, you rely and a RELIABLE and "fuck around" free charging network. You plug the car and walk. ID.4 is definitely a better quality vehicle, but over priced.

​@@777Outrigger You're spot on, but remember, Tesla got into this business somewhere in 2008. GM was working on the VOLT, which they did a phenomenal job. Outside Tesla, GM's bolt is probably the simplest and most trouble free vehicle. LG fucked up batteries, otherwise they barely had any major issues with it.

It also is more expensive.

@@thekat-dg9fx They lease better than id4 ironically

@@rosmarin2438 what lease deals are you getting on electric BMWs?

@@Necrotron 5-700/mo with base inceptions at sign

@@rosmarin2438 and the small battery ID.4 has a more expensive lease in your market?