At least they tried to edit Marina out, they flat out showed LGD win over Tia and still picked their UK favorite, LOL.

I am happy that Tia is a winner. I am not happy with the way we got there. LGD was robbed of her chance to lipsync against Hannah for the win.

@@cdcx9033 nah. it's clear that they minimized her screen time. Have you seen her full performance on X?

@@cdcx9033girl she walked around with a mic and sunglasses then laid. That’s not a winning move sorry

@@soudjaafar8563 ✌🏻

At least, for me, Jinkx really slayed the challenges.

It can't be solely based on that ONE lipsync.. If that was the case the lip sync assassin of the season would win, everytime. Cameron Michaels would have beat aquaria. Etc.

@@registmbthat’s a fact, but this is about the lip sync smackdown being the one thing she isn’t good at but winning regardless. You can see the strings being pulled for them to win the final episodes

@@EdTheCreator agreed. Drag Race Sweden was the one that did it right. (FOR ME) Admira did best most of the season, but Fontana would beat her for sure in the final lipsync, so they said: ok we don't need that Bull$H!t you are the top 2, Admira u are a winner babe.

They need to do either an AS3 or AS6 style finale. Give them a music video to lip sync in or have 3 separate lip syncs to judge. But Marina definitely won. I also think La Grand Dame won her lip sync too.

They rob the Asian queens every time!😤

UK VS World 1= Pangina ft Jimbo UK VS World 2 = Marina ft Tia & La Grand Dame

@@totallyt2344What’s with this Hannah erasure? She did phenomenal

Neither won though

​@@geenalawrence8338The point is, they were the ones no one could realistically beat in a lip sync.

I cackled! It’s genius!

I literally laughed out loud when I heard the name 🗣️

What's the reference?

I’m Australian and my grandparents had a lazy Susan on their outside table. I thought it was brilliant!

Why do you have to be older to get the reference…?

To be fair, production is also just trying to create a good show. There's really no hate that should be dished out by fans its just a TV competition.

@@whiro8945 Yup, that’s why the post-prod team made such an effort to portray Tia as the main character of the season. They’re kind of cleaning up after the filming is wrapped to “connect the dots” to justify the narrative.

People can not handle an African American winning.

😂😂 Production is doing their job. Every finalist has an equal opportunity to win.

This!

Right. Go tell Ru that you know better than her, if you don´t like her winner.

​@@FruSalling right..

Especially all hannah did was raised her arm and walk with mic 😂

thing is, Hanna was doing exactly what Anastacia would do, like she literally just walks around the stage with her glasses and mic

Hannah ate Marina. It was pure Entertainment. Marina is a good dancer a wealthy drag. It’s not always about that.

@@flohie3122I watched the lipsync. I respectfully disagree completely with ur statements.

@@flohie3122absolutely agree, Hannah smashed that Lip sync, she was fire!

Didn't ruin it for me. Tia and Hannah deserved to their places.

Absolutely not. Marina did too much. It was the Kenya Michaels effect. The song wasn't really a dancey song as much as diva number strut and mug. While Hannah didn't do much, it was enough to outweigh the over selling Marina did. It could've gone either way. But I really think Hannah won that lipsync fair

@@JosephJohnson-gu5fw I respectfully disagree, Hannah went campy which I dont get from the song.

@@Anthonydbrown13I think it was because the singer of the song usually performs by lip syncing her songs with a mic and glasses

⁠@@JosephJohnson-gu5fwcomparing that in any way 2 Kenya Michaels is a reach. U didn’t get the dance story Marina gave bc the camera was zoomed in on Hannah syncing 2 a microphone behind her glasses. Let’s critique Hannah instead. Emotion where? Comedy where? Choreography where? If Hannah isn’t giving anything WITH the editing on her side, he wasn’t giving anything.

​@@JosephJohnson-gu5fw totaly agree with you 🙂

No because I disagree with all 3 lipsyncs, Hannah beat tia in the final 1 too 😂

they’ll never crown a foreign queen cause of the BBC producing the show, now for future seasons the queens would think it twice before saying yes to the call back and fans wont be excited for the season knowing the outcome

Well-said. Thank you. It’s so disappointing… and you’re right, I thought this season would be one of my 10 faves across all franchises… 2 UK queens winning back to back… Both didn’t do that well in their own respective season and yet winning and beating some of the best of the best queens around the world. They should have done a final talent number for the finale to show more of what they could offer after winning the crown.

i feel bad for all top 4 queens bc no matter what, BBC would NEVER crown non UK queen, it was clear from the start. especially since they hadn’t had a single non white winner yet, tia was a perfect winner for them, on top of her doing well in the competition albeit being pushed a bit. it’s a lose lose situation for the top4 bc we all saw how marina quite literally bulldozing the competition and it’d fair to say, had it been a fair game she was a clear winner. now tia’s great run in the competition is stained by the push production gave her, when she didn’t need it, and she’ll get trixie-ed for “stealing” the crown.

Agreed 100%

Well that song is not a stunt song and Marina also didnt even know the words.

@@daqueenbobo tho even if it isn't a stunt song, those stunts should have been shown coz those were the highlights of the battle and it's the FINALE. Marina gave them a show and she served. It was our loss coz we didn't see those stunts on the episode.

@@daqueenboboI’d rather watch what Marina did than what Hannah did 😵 Even if ur right that it’s not a stunt song, it also isn’t a boring song & Hannah should’ve been doing smth 4 me 2 appreciate her performance.

@@daqueenbobointeresting that in Marinas defence people are happy to say Hannah didn’t do anything good and completely ignore that it’s a lip sync and Marina dropped the ball a few times with her lip syncing. I wonder how much of people denying Hannah’s win is just confirmation bias and how much is that they’re too young to appreciate Hannah’s performance because they never experienced Anastasia’s vibe, of which Hannah embodied effortlessly, she was brilliant!

Stunts does not equate winning lipsyncs. Have you watched the other lipsyncs. Camp is an easy way to won lipsyncs with rupaul

Exactly. I actually LOVED that extravagant coat LGD had. It gave the drama the song needed. Tia seemed constrained and a bit awkward in the lip-sync. I thought LGD won.

Fr. Tia moves so stiff . How did she winn any lip sync anyways?

Very true, no need to bring down other queens just because you didn’t get your way. And Marina is still a winner in a different way, she gained so many fans and honestly I could see her being one of the next international queens to be on US All Stars. And she represented her country so well, Philippines was the only franchise with a queen on the season that I hadn’t watched but I am going to now as I have to see more of her

marina lgd and hannah have all asked people to stop sending hate and people just comment on that sending hate still like how delusional can someone be

Hate to say it but Hannah did way better than Marina in that lip sync

@@whywhowhatwhereBecause they edited Marina out. They barely showed her and made sure people saw only Hannah.

Right, there’s really no correlation as to why Marina fans would send hate to Tia. Marina technically lost to Hannah, not Tia, in the lip sync. I feel like the haters just didn’t want Tia to win. They’ve been discrediting her wins saying that some of her wins were undeserved and should’ve been given to another queen. They’re only using Marina as a tool to “justify” that Tia doesn’t deserve the crown. Haters will always find anything if they really want to just shit on someone for no reason.

Girl Hannah murdered that stage

@@cristina_shin thank you. Someone gets it. Marina fans are absolutely trashing Tia when Tia did nothing to stop Marina from winning! Dont even be mad at Hannah for being the one to end Marina's run. Be mad a Ru for choosing Hannah over Marina, which in turn paved the way for Tia's win. And when you look at track records alone, Tia had a cracking track record which was way better than Hannah's, so either way, her win (after Marina was eliminated) was justified. The usual Drag Race fandom are het up as always and just lashing out because it hasn't gone their way. I personally wanted Marina to win though. She was my favourite going in to this final, but once she was out, Tia's win made sense.

I mean I wouldnt say she "fairly won" the lip sync smackdown when she clearly lost the one against Dame but i agree the fandom shouldnt be hating on the queens they didnt makegthe choices

That hate should be sent to Ru, BBC and the production 😂

I think the problem is that too often you can see production working behind the scenes. People are idiots for bringing it to the queens, as they are just undergoing the experience pretty much. I adore Tia and I'm thrilled for her, I'll happily ignore the slight pushing here and there in the season, but this final episode felt staged AF and that did bother me after a great season. Just scrap the lipsync smackdown and crown the queen who is most deserving in their eyes. The finales are cringy because of this

being pushed by production is the clearest path for people to start disliking a queen. I really love Tia and I'm so happy for her but nothing about her says "Drag Race Winner" for me. I agree that people shouldn't bring hate to the queens, but like, if you don't comment on the dragraceuk instagram or some other social media, how does one voice their feelings? I have done so, always respectfully because it is NOT Tia's fault and I'm genuinely happy for her, and still I'm being called a racist and an idiot left and right, which is also toxic. I love love love Tia, but this finale just felt wrong.

Um everyone I know wanted plane Jane to win from the beginning

Marina, Anetra and Aurora are genuinely 3 of the best performers in drag race history.

thank YOU. i’m always a bit worried to bring that up but drag race does have a history with not giving asian and ESL queens their flowers. marina and nymphia being both….. yeah….. idk, i mean to me personally nymphia was already robbed off a couple of wins so, yknow lmao 🥲

i 1000% agree something is fishy but anetra was beaten by sasha fair and square.

Manila Luzon🙌🏻

​@@geenalawrence8338lmao that's funny 😂

I saw this too, but it technically isn't true. She was there for the girl group challenge, in which nymphia wore yellow (with the red pussycat look on the runway) TS also judged the following challenge: the doll design challenge with Law roach, for which Nymphia wore yellow. She only judged 3 challenges total and Nymphia wore yellow in all of them. I don't think she's in the wrong tbh

@@blackmanta9697she wore yellow on the premier episode with ts and ru in shemv as well lol

@@blackmanta9697 Still feels super weird for me as a critique because none of those outfits are remotely similar. Not even in shade of yellow. No one ever told Ra'jah to stop wearing purple and they shouldn't because she looks fucking amazing in it. So does Nymphia in all her yellow outfits.

@@blackmanta9697 TS said that everytime she was there Nymphia wore yellow which is false

the yellow critique, both from her and from the fans, is so uncomfortable for me as an asian bc (1) she already said her choice to brand herself as yellow queen is her way to proudly show her asian-ness (2) knowing that, why is it that her, an asian hence “a yellow person” being loudly yellow and issue for them whilst when some other queens have done signature colours way more often than her it wasn’t really an issue (except for tina burner)? im sorry i know people don’t like when someone “pull the race card” but seeing as how drag race often treats asian queens AND ESL queens, its it! hard not to see this as a microaggression or some sort. like, from the same season, sapphira wore blue almost as often as nymphia does yellow but nobody ever clocked that, or ofc rajah and lawrence with purple, lemon with yellow too? idk it just doesn’t sit well with me (i’m so sorry for the rambling here 😭)

low key racism

Jonbers is an Irish queen, there is no way, British people will hand the crown to an Irish queen due to rocky history between Irish and British Choriza is an immigrant, British racial discriminatory nature, it is big no for Choriza Gothy is the best choice to represent British but she is stiff and very underwhelming While Tia is not a full-blood British, atleast he was raised and born in Brits soil. So, she is the only safe choice at this point. As for Blu, I would like to add that she was crowned out of necessity since she performed slightly better than the rest of UK delegates. The producer had to swallow their pride just to continue patriotism and give the crown to "Motherland". No way in hell they will give the glory to a U.S queen during that time After the season, her career didn't progress at all. She's almost none existent, her music career is a major flop. During UK All Winners All-stars, she wasn't invited. Here is the receipt: www.reddit.com/r/RPDRDRAMA/s/Ev10Pg26iO If Tia and Blue compete today, they will give it to Tia for sure since she's a Brit by birth, blood and rights. They don't want a Muggle blood (Irish decent).

​@@19tata91 Blu is Irish and literally won the previous season lol

@@barrymcguinness8511 instead of giving the crown to a U.S queen, she was the only correct choice during that time and what happened to her after the show? None existent. Brits secretly hate the Irish. Lol

Instead of giving the crown to a U.S. queen, she's the only option during her season. What happened to her after the show? She's non-existent. Clearly, Brits hates the Irish up until this day.

that’s it? lol 😂

Undeserved. But go on with the Delusion.

@@MrKarlos9122 I bet you’d not turn it down. Also the opportunities for Tia are now massive. They may not be able to lip sync like Marina or turn a look like La Grande Dame but they’re hugely funny and charming. Queens can train to dance or get designers to make their looks but what Tia has can’t be taught or paid for✌🏻🌈🇮🇪

@@JunRyuunosuke oh look! Another pleasant Drag Race fan,how unusual ( that’s sarcasm)🥱

@@CashelOConnolly tia is this you? lol delusional

We have seen how they cherrypick whenever they see fit. The identical look thing is so on the nose. I guess Michelle forgot her lines! Body suits, identical looks.

I would love to see Bernie on an international season, her story was so touching regarding her eyesight. I hope she speaks good English so she is able to compete - I don’t think Kat Kat will be asked since she is a winner and they don’t ask winners back unless it’s a winners season

​@@gkalive I have a feeling Kat Kat is going to get swallowed by the competition. She has very big fish in a little pond syndrome. But I think Viñas, Turing, and OV would excel.

​@@nevaladder Viñas gets too much in her head, OV is unpolished, and Turing allegedly made unwarranted advancement sa isang miyembro ng pit crew lol

Question, are we just glossing over Kat Kat and the racism? I don’t know might’ve been debunked I stopped watch DRPH when someone spoiled she was top 2. So I have no clue. If not have people just decided that it was okay…

I agree, based on the last lip sync Tia would have won either way, against Hannah or Marina, not only because the producers wanted her but because she did performed very well and clever

maybe they just wanted to show the good parts of the lipsync???

😢yes 🥹

The Philippines are not a developing country, you make it sound like she came from some backwards third world territory. Can we not discredit the place she came from and acknowledge actual facts because it comes across as arrogant, even colonial in thinking. Quick Google search for you: "The economy of the Philippines is an emerging market, and considered as a newly industrialized country"

Same girl. LGD OBLITERATED Tia for me.

I’m surprised this is such a common take, almost everyone I know here in the UK thought Tia clearly won that lip sync against LGD. But maybe I’m very used to the comedy style lip syncs you’d see in a UK club

@@DW-tx4tp omg UK people claiming a UK Queen won over an International Queen, what a shock!1!11 Girl please, save the comedy for actually funny people

Thank you! 😊

Well said!

I dont think people would be complaining if Marina won tho, but i see your point

speak on it!!

Honestly.

The makeover challenge, aka the one where we are going to put whoever we feel like in the bottom regardless of actual performance

So? It doesn't make it more appealing.

@@Chasfondue17 well maybe not to you, but for folx who like to see layers and nuance in the art they consume like myself it truly does.

​@@madd_gayming14 "folx" these nutx lol jesus f'nchrist

It's so crazy that for 15 years that Drag Race has aired, we still have 1 Asian US winner.

Agreed! I thought it was all about charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent. 😬

Marina is Filipino. Filipinos are south east asian.

@aleistere they mean seasons hosted by RuPaul, hence RuGirls. Raja is the only SE Asian winner crowned by Ru so far.

I thought the same! Like they have a cash prize but they probably said yes to that on the contingency that a UK queen wins (money stays in the UK) hmmmm idk 😂😂 i need to go touch grass

I love Tia, and wanted her to win from the beginning, but she was favored by production throughout the season, probably to make it "more believable", which I think she didn't even need. They damaged Tia's image more than they helped her with these shenanigans. And we all know Hannah "won" the first lipsync simply because it would make it much easier to give the crown to Tia.

Silky Nutmeg Ganache in S11 lip syncing in a disco outfit during the makeover challenge against Nina West. Heidi N Closet in S12 lip syncing in a disco outfit during the makeover challenge against Jackie Cox... two examples right there 😂

Tia only has 1 badge

I am gonna be honest i think marina won but you couldn't tell that because of edit she got during the lip sync also I just wanna say I love both hana and marina equally and I wanted them to be top two

@@user-hx5le8ce2wthe winner of the lip sync gets shown more in virtually every single lip sync in the franchise. What we did see of Marina wasn’t channeling the energy of the song like Hannah.

Like walking around with mic😂

@@scottsummers4234 and marina choose to focus on dancing rather than an emotional performance to rock pop ballad.. choices 😅🤣