I overclock my K6 II+ 500 Chip on the Gigabyte GA 5AA Super Socket 7 motherboard that I repaired in a recent video.
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@Storm_. Жыл бұрын
Anything past the Riva TNT2 was absolutely terrible for compatibility on the super 7 platform. I experienced this back in the day (to me dismay) So I'm not surprised at all the issues you experienced. Honestly it doesn't matter if people kept upgrading the video card, newer games would just need a faster CPU. The very best cards for this machine would be 3dfx and/or ATI Rage or Nvidia cards BEFORE Geforce.
@myquestlog7332 жыл бұрын
Hi! I've found your channel yesterday and I really appreciate how you really make an effort to analyse and explain various parts and technologies you show. Awesome! One clarification regarding the 133MHz AGP speed you start talking about around 5:37 : The feature table isn't too precise here but I suspect they're referring to the AGP 2x mode which is still running at 66MHz but introduces DDR signalling, resulting in an effective 133MHz compared to AGP 1x @66MHz SDR. I know, this video is older, but maybe this is still of interest to you or another viewer.
@PCRetroTech2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much. I appreciate the comments and am glad you are finding some of the older videos worth watching. I suspect you are right about the 2x AGP mode.
@peterhenkel30202 жыл бұрын
As already mentioned in other comments. Set the jupmers to a multiplier of 2 for the K6s it is a 6. Furthermore, to achieve higher FSB clocks disable the onboard cache (external). For 105 or 112 MHz it might work but at higher clocks the onboard cache becomes a showstopper. Best video card for me is the TNT2 Ultra. Currently I am using a GeForce 2 Ti because of HW T&L which reduces CPU Load in games which support it. But in 3D Mark 99 i.e. it is not much faster than the TNT because The CPU bottlenecks. By the way I am using a K6-2+ 350 MHz 1.5 V @ 600 MHz 2.4 V with Aladdin V Chipset 256 MB CL2 @ FSB 100 MHz. With the GF2 Ti I get 3259 3DMarks and 7849 CPU 3DMarks.
@HighwayHunkie2 жыл бұрын
Damn thats some decent OC! It runs that stable still and not getting hot?
@andrejcenadzija18933 жыл бұрын
Set the multiplier to 2x, that will be recognized as 6x on AMDK6-2+
@PCRetroTech3 жыл бұрын
Cool, I'll give that a go. This chip won't likely go that high, but it can't hurt to test it out.
@andrejcenadzija18933 жыл бұрын
@@PCRetroTech my K6-2+ 550 runs at 600Mhz @2.1V(lowest supported on my motherboard) no problems, but didn`t try the stability test with unziping files.
@BadManiac3 жыл бұрын
@@PCRetroTech All K6-2+ and K6-III+ do 600 without issue, at least every single one we've tested. It'll be more stable because the FSB will be stock.
@xys0072 жыл бұрын
My AMD K6-2 500 was running stable at 672Mhz (6x112Mhz) with IHS taken off and voltage set to 3,3V yes 3,3V (it was insane ;p), at 682Mhz(5,5x124Mhz it wasn't stable so and unfortunately I reached limits of voltage settings for AMD processors, but there was 3,52v setting or something like that for some Cyrix processor ... this setting raised voltage not only for core but I/O too and It was instant death for my AMD K6-2 500 ... Next week I bought used AMD K6-2 350 and it turns out it was just as good with overclocking as AMD K6-2 500 ... I fact i still have the IHS of this second processor. it was AMD K6-2/350AFR 2.2V COR/3.3V I/O. Motherboard was FIC VA-503+. It was a crap. ;p
@0mnis14sh3 жыл бұрын
Can also vouch for the 2x = 6x multiplier trick, I think mines a K6-2+ 450 rated for 1.8v running 2.0 or 2.2v. Also via mvp3 chipset
@classicmacintosh3 жыл бұрын
I avoid VIA chipsets like the plague, too often I find an otherwise excellent board ruined by dreadful AGP implementations and/or general awful performance. The Gigabyte 6VTXD would otherwise be one of the better dual Socket 370 boards I've worked with, but you are crippled by AGP 1x! Doesn't matter what you do - they are horrific.
@PCRetroTech3 жыл бұрын
I am more cautious of VIA chipset boards too nowadays. But I am sure there are exceptions that break the rule.
@georgemaragos23783 жыл бұрын
Hi - good video This was a big sales ploy that "our machines are upgradeable or future proof" Well they are but you can only go so far. A similar examples is IDE hard drives, yes you can plug in a IDE from a 386 to COre2duo, bu tyou cant use the latest IDE Ultra ATA 167 and expect that to works at its full speed in a 386/486 that is running DMA only or ultra ATA 33/66 With your video card, i am guessing the small difference between AG 2x on and off is that is is trying to run AGP at 2x, that will not work with a 4x card - it is sort of trying to read and write at different speeds hmmm think of setting up a modem for 9600 but you really have a 2400, it will not function, but luckily the device has a built in fallback to lower speed ( ok bad example as you cant initialize your 2400 to 9600 . but the concept of setting the specs different in bios or software to what is physically connected ) What are the build dates of the 2 systems, i ask because the very early introduction of AGP especially anything that is AGP1 and AGP2, often are using PCI implementation of AGP, ie AGP is really PCI, but with a direct link to the CPU rather than waiting in turn like PCI for slot1 to talk, then slot 2 to talk, this was a left over from ISA days anyway Something tells me the bus speed can only be a multiplier of 66, as the AGP sends data in packets to the CPU This section does not apply to you as a fault in the AGP, but some people reading this may not be aware, that the AMD. FSB 100 x multiplier of 5 = 500 FSB 100 x multiplier of 5.5 = 550 FSB 100 x multiplier of 2 = 600 ** there is a bug in some motherboard firmware on built in the AMD chip and 2 does not exist and it uses 6 ** i think you mentioned it at one stage when you were surprised of the change Finally early chipset may not support changes to the AGP , eg Apollo / ALI / SIS may not support it or support it late - you would need to get the chipset make and model and read the spec sheet SO, yeah you can upgrade, but eventually the last known item that you can slot it may not be supported by the now much older main board / bios / chipset or the software written while under XP / Vista selling days will have "vague nut workable win 95/98 drivers" Even today, a new PCI-E card is released, the manufacturers would spend most of its resources for the current market - a perfect Win 10 driver, if they provide a Win 7 driver it would be really workable rather than optimised Regards George
@PCRetroTech3 жыл бұрын
I think both boards were 1999, or maybe the VIA one was a year earlier, I don't completely recall. But I mostly used components from 2000 or 2001 (except the Geforce 4 which was 2003 of course). The case was actually from 1995. It already didn't have a turbo switch, which was relevant because the Gigabyte motherboard starts up with turbo off, so I had to jumper it on.
@03719982 жыл бұрын
HI, Mister have you an internet link for the via driver ? We try to build a via aopen AX59 Pro. For the moment I'm stuck on the bios reinstall that I cannot achieve, during his replacemnent some number do not match as They were supposed, while I took them from the AOpen source...still nothing wants to upgrade, its a real little hell this bios update. Bye
@PCRetroTech2 жыл бұрын
I don't remember where I got it from, but likely it was from the drivers section on the PhilsComputerLab website.
@03719982 жыл бұрын
@@PCRetroTech Thx Mr. & have a nice day.
@pazsion Жыл бұрын
By the time people ram these demos agp x4 was available. Amazing it ran like this at all 🙂🥰 What gfx card did you use? I used a pci card as well a windows accelerator. Nvidia had quadro with software sli that gave me at least 20 years of games and cad. Over clocking is awesome 👏 and often worth it.
@pazsion Жыл бұрын
Lol and this was without any proper cooling
@PCRetroTech Жыл бұрын
I don't recall the graphics card now, but it looks like it might be a TNT2 M64 or so.
@helldog31053 жыл бұрын
I have always had poor performance with the VIA MVP3 chipset. And the VIA GART drivers were terrible back in the day. I also remember GeForce cards being problematic with early AMD chips, but I thought it was the Athlon chips and not the K6 series, but that may be mis-remembered.
@helldog31053 жыл бұрын
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 looked it up. On certain chip sets the original GeForce 256 had issues on the AMD Athlon platform. Whatever the issue was it was corrected when they moved over to socket A. And as far as I can find, it was only the GeForce 256. So the GeForce 2 GTS did not suffer from the same strange quirk. -edit- oh and I couldn't find any mention about the K6-II/III exhibiting similar issues as Slot A Athlons.
@03719982 жыл бұрын
My PII celeron 433 mhz overclocked at 520 mhz achieve 1538 pts, with 3dmark2000 ! I'm surprised that the K6-II cant do better ! I used a FX 5600 agp 2x
@PCRetroTech2 жыл бұрын
Interesting.
@HighwayHunkie2 жыл бұрын
@@PCRetroTech I think its FPU related there... the benchmark might use the FPU which is still faster in a Celeron than in AMDs K6´s.. The weak points come out there...
@reinhardfelgenhauer65363 жыл бұрын
Did you install the VIA driver without the AGP Option?
@PCRetroTech3 жыл бұрын
No, I don't think the video card will work without it.
@eleanornicholls69663 жыл бұрын
@@PCRetroTech from memory i think that the video card would still work, it has been a long time since I've tried it though so I may be mistaken. Still have my original board from back then, will dig it out and try
@PCRetroTech3 жыл бұрын
@@eleanornicholls6966 It'll work. It just won't be fast or give proper modes in Windows.
@03719982 жыл бұрын
Your memory has to be sdram pc133 mhz. Try to have the PCI card that can support the overclocks of your pci port. Forget your Edo ram, This will destroy your expectation.
@dallesamllhals91613 жыл бұрын
Oh dear!!? That almost hurts! ..'cause I am looking for an AMD K6-III* for my org. and first x86 build ewar! socket 7 (1997) *non+ just a simple K6-III AHX 400Mhz (FSB 66MHz)
@Mountainmonths3 жыл бұрын
interesting
@erminc18915 ай бұрын
GF2 GTS? That's a little bit overkill for the small K6-2+, it will bottleneck that fast GPU.
@BadManiac3 жыл бұрын
You're really Strangling your graphics cards with this CPU, a K6 is most happy with a Riva TnT, TnT2, an ATI Rage Fury or Rage Fury PRO or a Matrox G400 or G400 Max, and a pair of Voodoo 2 cards. Doubt your 3DMark scores woudl be that much lower with a more period correct graphics card.
@derek85643 жыл бұрын
Lucky star sounds kinda PC-CHIPS'y..... :)
@helldog31053 жыл бұрын
Lucky star? As in maybe Lucky Gold star? Better known as LG today?