for Germany last year, and Norway this year, I think the problem was not the folk music, but that the rock loving voters massively favoured Baby lasagna and Käärijä.

Here in the Netherlands most of us were absolutely gutted when we found out Joost was disqualified. Hearing the love for Joost from everywhere around the world and the little things like Estonia saying "Dankjewel" at the end of their Grand Finale performance was incredibly heartwarming. We don't know yet if we'll be back next year, but I hope next year will be better than the disaster it was this year.

Netherlands disqualification is where everyone started joining together more than ever against the unprofessionalism of the ebu

Can we please give a Joost Klein Award to Iceland 2021, for having to stay in the Covid-hotel-room?

11:07 - I'm so glad you posted this footage. Croatia is celebrating Marko like he is the king of our country. We made him cry with joy; he didn't expect so many people to show up to celebrate his win. Just today, his concert tickets sold out in 4 minutes.

Dutch private broadcaster RTL is conducting a poll about whether the Netherlands should return next year. Last I saw, 67% voted no and 26% voted "only if Joost can compete", leaving a measly 7% yes

As a kid whose dad also died, and who also dreamt of Eurovision but gave up on pursuing music after school bullying gave me social anxiety, and then spent years fleeing from my pain and trauma by traveling Europe... Europapa and the whole Joost thing has kept me up at night. When I found out Joost was not in the final, I felt that sinking feeling as if it had been me who had been disqualified. Because damn did it both break me and also heal me to see someone smiling and dancing so happily with that same pain I grew up with, and him almost fulfilling my childhood dream, and then that dream being completely crushed. It's affected me so much that I even started writing a song about my own dad yesterday. I've been afraid of speaking or even thinking about my dad and his death, but everything that happened made me feel like I have to do it. The pain won't ever go away, but now I see it can be turned into absolute bops that make others feel less alone, and I want to do that. This year's Eurovision united us against the EBU, which is hilarious. But most importantly for me, it united me with music, and maybe music can unite me with my dad and that little orphan kid in me, too.

I have never heard of Olly Alexander before Eurovision. I honestly think they overestimated how many people outside UK knew Olly Alexander.

I get that Norway's Ulveham is far from being everyone's cup of tea, but many of us love it transcendentally, and it was, needless to say, undeserving of the last place during the Grand Final.

Honestly I was hoping Luktelk would get more votes but I guess 14th is pretty good

The entirety of The Netherlands is still in awe of what has happened. Multiple sketches about the EBU & Eurovision and a lot of love for Joost. (Who has been silent and only posted a story of dancing dogs) Our broadcaster AVROTROS is still backing Joost. This story is far from over.

i will never forgive ebu for what they did to Joost. I respect artists for their songs and their efforts despite everything.

Finland is massively underrated for the performance. I don’t think people realise the insane amount of directing and production it takes to produce a performance using props on stage to cover this ‘naked’ dude, and it’s all LIVE!! I was mesmerised and laughing throughout the whole performance, and they were easily my top 3, if not the top performance.

Sweden being in 9th place and that being their second worst result in a decade is absurd and very clear proof of how biased the jury votes are towards a few countries, including this one. Don't get me wrong, they don't send bad songs, but they are most often than not unimpressive and you can easily find songs in each year that would deserve their spot more. There's been way more egregious results than Sweden's this year because of the context, but a song as bland as "Unforgettable" being this high doesn't seem fair to me anyway.

People need to stop complaining that ABBA didn't perform or show up. They said in May of last year that they had no intention of being at Eurovision 2024, which is fine.

Love the appreciation for Fulenn here 💚 Also, Dons from Latvia needs a shout out for everyone severely underestimating his power!!

so sad for Estonia!

As I also said elsewhere on KZfaq: as a Dutch person, I don't remember when children were this excited about Eurovision. All of them really. And we had to tell them all he couldn't perform at the finals on Saturday. I think many kids hearts broke that day. My kids' hearts sure did. And I think most of my fellow Dutchies would agree that if he actually was in the wrong he should definitely be disqualified. But to disqualify him before all the facts were known was a bit much. Also I think the statement the Dutch broadcaster made was a bit premature as well, they also did not have all the facts and they shouldn't have immediately said it was "nothing". That being said, I think he should have performed on Saturday. If a judge later says he was in the wrong, that would be the time to disqualify and ban us from competing next year, perhaps along with a hefty fine for the broadcaster. If a judge were to rule now that Joost was not in the wrong, there's no going back to that moment and having him perform. They punished all the Dutch children, and I highly doubt they'll be Eurovision fans growing up after this. And I'll bet a lot of other people are feeling the same now, no matter the outcome of the investigation.

Norway being last is criminal

I have a theory on why Norway and Estonia placed so low! I think a lot of the people who would've loved these songs, were actually boycotting this year. Norway and Estonia were my and my friends' favourites this year, but we didn't really feel like giving the EBU money by voting - especially after the ridiculous Joost DQ. So that could maybe be a reason for them placing so low?

"Mon Amour" was insane... Honestly: This whole Eurovision was, for all the wrong reasons. And as a German I am proud of Isaac's performance, I was so ready to go to bed not understanding how we could have come last again, but my man delivered with the most insane vocal performance of the night. Much love Isaac!

the best thing from this esc was joosts ”käärijä shouldve won” sign and the roblox protest

Fun fact: The Lada Niva car was called Lada Sport in Iceland, which was also the name for a well known band in Iceland. The commentator kept reminding us and saying that's why we should connect with them 😊

man, i love ladaniva so much. the charisma and musical talent is beyond comprehension

I know joost didn't get to perform in the final, but he did gain over 1 million Instagram followers since his 2nd semi final appearance.

I CAN'T BELIEVE I GET AN OVIDIU ANTON MENTION IN 2024........... i thought i was the only one who was bitter about him not making it to the contest 😭

Marina truly succeeded at what she wanted to do! She wanted to show the new Greece, promote the music of here generation without having to switch in English to be successful and guess what... "ZARI" is the first song with Greek lyrics to enter the global charts!

It’s so poetic that in the messiest Eurovision ever, the neutral country won. 🇨🇭😂

Hosts' jokes in the semi-finals landed flat, but in the final they sounded like mockery.

I'm nominating Electric Callboy for the Joost Award 2022

My friends: Wow, how do you have such large and profound insight into Eurovision songs? Me (Mona Lisa smile, thinking about all the Overthinking It videos I've watched in prep for Eurovision): You know, I'm something of an... overthinker myself.

dont be sad for Estonia just stream it. keep it viral. I think we have never received this much love for a 20th place. I am thinking if we got 5th or 6th a lot of people would have been mad and a lot angrier than now, our act is still being treated with fierce enthusiasm as if we got 2nd place

Another thing to consider about Joost's jury scores is that the prevailing (totally untrue) rumour at the time was that he punched a female from another delegation. I waited in the queue to get into the jury final and that rumour was everywhere, which the organisers did nothing to quash. That may have impacted a jurors willingness to give points under those circumstances. Not saying he would have toppled Nemo but we may have seen more 8's and 10's. The crowd in the arena went crazy for Joost even just on VT, which was very heart-warming.

Sweden finished 9th and might be their worst finish in recent years, but jury bias for them is still obvious. I'd like to complain about juries here, but this year there were a lot of other issues, so jury problem remains .. how to put it.. klein?.

I am from the US, married a Dutch lady, and have been pulling for the Netherlands since Anouk (who I knew from listening to Dutch radio) took the stage in 2013. And while I saw the video for Europapa for the first time and immediately said, "The Netherlands didn't want to win this year, anyway", the song grew on me. When I saw your "longest video" I immediately not only grew to love the song, I loved the artist. Which is why I was so gutted when the decision to DQ Joost from the contest came down. I was going to skip Eurovision this year, and made a decision last moment to watch, hoping for a s%&^ show of massive proportions. Getting to see Martin Osterdahl booed and get flustered enough to say the word result(s) three times was good enough. Nemo deserved the win, and Gate deserved a lot more than last. Where Joost would have landed is anyone's guess, but we were robbed of that. Whether you blame a photographer that didn't respect boundaries, or an artist that lost his s%^& when he shouldn't have, the EBU really overreacted. Don't even get me started on how terrible the situation behind the scenes was due to tensions related to Israel competing brought. So I am happy, and I am sad. I just hope next year is a lot better.

The reason Gåte didn't get any votes was because Baby Lasagna had the best rock/metal song

The way they figured out Joost's jury points (I believe) is that the juries voted when he was technically still in contention (although they had already decided to boot him). This meant that all the jury scores had the Netherlands in them, so they simply removed the rankings for him and carried on. Issue is that every jury score is now missing a number somewhere between 1-25/26, as each song is ranked in relation to every other one. For some reason they didn't fix this and still haven't, so we can still tell exactly where he was ranked. Sadly a lot of jurors didn't put him very high anyway...

Käärijä getting second place at the US presidential election despite winning the popular vote is something I would totally see happening 😆

The bald guy next to Martin looked so uncomfortable. I'm amazed Martin managed to keep smiling through that.

I know this won't be mentioned a lot but I was so devastated for Kaleen. She had that technical error FROM THE BROADCASTER where the camera to do her dance break dying and so nobody actually got to see the insanity that she has. But not only that, Austria was just sooooo good and such a bop. A shame it's so low

I think ”We just love ESC too much” would have worked better as a Grand finale interval act. But I also know, with everything that went down in-between those days, I don’t know if it would have worked in the finale. I bet they’re gonna make a documentary about this year at some point…

i think that UK's results were deserved. a generic song, a weird staging with all these men in their ridiculous shorts and an absolutely empty message. you wouldn't surprise anyone with your "gayest performance" in 2024, and I'm glad to see that nobody likes when there is nothing beside the lgbt wrapper

I think before everyone immediately rallies behind Joost - we need to learn more details about what really happened. We only heard the side of the Dutch broadcaster. The Swedish police have come out & retorted that the Dutch broadcaster’s interpretation of events does not match what several witnesses saw and that he was very aggressive. People have been spreading a lot of unconfirmed rumors about the situation about why he was acting so aggressive. It is possible that the EBU was justified in their decision. It would make me sad bc I too really loved the song & think Joost is a really special artist. I am disappointed in the situation as well, I would have loved to see him perform in the final. However, everyone has a right to feel safe.

As much as this year was a shitshow, I am so happy Nemo won, they were my favourite entry and I was so happy.

Ovidiu Anton's Joost Klein award was long ovidiu.

Estonia was the best performance for past 10 years of eurovision, but judges have no sense.

This one was probably too overthought... Folk, rock and other genres can still be huge even if not modern, it's just that this year was above the average. People were between Armenia, Estonia and Norway, or Norway, Croatia and Ireland for the folk/rock votes, and probably Marina lost a lot of points because people who'd vote for her voted for Baby Lasagna or Nemo instead since she wasn't topping any odds.

I was so disengaged from eurovision this year (personal issues) so I completely missed all the drama. The only song that stuck with me is europapa (which I didn't find out was disqualified until 2 days later)

Why. Do. You. Always. Make. Me. Cry.??! And I'm just 3min in... Joost's comment on the video about him and Olly also totally destroyed me, especially knowing it was written before "all the hell broke loose". Let me get some handkerchief and continue... ☺️ Joost, you are bloody amazing!!! (not that he will ever see this comment, but I had to say it!) I'm too emotional, man! And shallow, obviously. Your explanations are making me sobbing... Love to everyone from Croatia(Zagreb) ❤

My wish for Eurovision 2025 as a german fan is that Overthinking Eurovision uses an updated map of Europe in the intro 🙊

People choose Croatia as their winner❤

I feel bad for Nemo. Their energy and charisma are infectious, and you can feel their kindness radiate through the screen. But people choose to hate them for just being themselves or because their favourites didn't win. I understand feeling frustrated about the results, but it's not Nemo's fault for what happened. And as for people who judge them for their pronouns or clothing choices, just listen to the song with your eyes closed. You don't have to like it because people have different tastes, but you can't deny that this person is very talented.

Estonia was so fun I am extremely sad they got no points 😢😢😢😢

Can we retroactively award the 2023 Joost Klein award to Jann? Gladiator was so good he really deserved to perform

Europapa and Rim Tim Tagi Dim as a theme music for UEFA Euro 2024 are the ones to listen. Forget Major Tom.

Booing at Martin is just like arguing with a macdonald cashier cause the food is unhealty

So… did Nemo got the ‘Gilmore Girls S3’ DVD box from Petra? Also, Petra Mede, 12 points👍

When I woke up and saw that Joost was disqualified, it literally ruined my day. I had to go to work (retail, ugh) and I was in a horrible mood the whole 8 hours. Then there was text from my family asking for favors and when I got home, I ended up sitting in my car for 5 minutes crying. But finding out that Nemo won made me so happy. They really do deserve it and I'm also proud of Baby Lasagna for how far he has come. In the end, this year had so many great songs that I knew that some were not going to make it to the finals, even though they deserved to. Here's to hoping that the EBU will actually listen to the fans and improve next year!!

Okay but can we talk about Bambi getting 6th in jury votes, 6th in televotes and 6th overall (6-6-6), while also being watched by around 666,000 people in Ireland?? The icon that they are

It's clear there's people who are allowed to break the rules, while others are dq'd without even breaking any

Yeah but it can't get worse right? ...

The massive discrepancy between the votes Israel received from a bunch of industry professionals that formed the juries versus the people was interesting. I'm sure both the low jury points and the high audience points were political, so I'm not sure how Eurovision should continue handing out points. But EBU definitely messed up. Several contestants have spoken up about the behind the scene tensions. And the fact they disqualified Joost Klein after his personal boundaries were invaded by a camera woman and he reacted to that... he should have been protected. Him getting DQ'ed still pisses me off today.

wish joost could have partecipated to the finale and sing again, no matter the results. his song literally melted our hearts, the situation got everyone mad at ebu and supporting him. many people are discovering his music and supporting him, he's earned europe's love, which what the song is "europe, come together, now or never". we literally did come together into supporting jost and asking for justice for it

Given all the hesitations that some acts had in competing this year, on top of all the current political strife, I wouldn’t be surprised to see an even greater mass exodus for Eurovision in coming years. Silvester from Lithuania has stated that competing in the final might have been a mistake, and apparently withdrawing from the contest was on the table for Norway right up to the last minute, and that’s not even mentioning how outspoken the Irish team has been in the moments after the show. How long will it be before more countries follow suit? As Nemo said in their post show press conference, “maybe Eurovision needs fixing too.” This could be a major turning point for the contest. I will be interested to see how many countries will participate next year.

We still have the same "jury problem" as the year before... The difference was simply unattainable, even Baby Lasagna was aware of it.

This ‘reasons to feel better’ section is exactly what we needed at this point.. thanks! 😊

Regardless of the reality of Joost Kleins allegations, the way the EBU disqualified him with almost no explanation before the finals is ridiculous and very disheartening for everyone who loved Joost’s performance, especially because it was dedicated to his late parents

Justice for Joost! Poor guy got his life dream ruined

Norway doesn't deserve the last place. They were supposed to be in the top 3, if not win the ESC

Televotes are always going to be heavily skewed. This year a certain country skewed them even more most likely taking away points from these nations. That being said, with so many great songs some will undoubtedly come last anyway! Great final. Best podium in a long time.

10000 points for Netherlands! ❤🇳🇱💙

Last year's Joost Klein award should be handed to Jann

No Rules didn't win because Eurovision truly has no rules!

If you look at Jury vote the bioses are so clear .

Saddens me that this year's competition was ruined by repeated self-inflicted damage, and I have no confidence that anything next year will be any different.

Even though he still technically competed, I think Dadi Freyr should retroactively receive the Joost Klein Award 2021

This is the first one of your videos I watched this year, and I never missed them since 2017. I couldn't watch anything related to Eurovision, I didn't watch any of the semis nor the final. I have been a fan of Eurovision since the early 90s when I was a literal toddler because I couldn't believe seeing so many countries coming together to celebrate music, I always thought it was fascinating. It was created as a place to bring a broken Europe together. For me Eurovision has always been the happy week of the year, something I looked forward and marked in the calendar since January. The EBU has made decissions that don't correspond with the values I always admired and respected. I seriously doubt I would ever be able to watch the contest again, it's broken

I loved the Estonian song to bits and am sad that it ended up as low as it did, but I'm not too surprised about it. But Norway? It is honestly a crime that Norway placed last. Like, I didn't expect them to win, but I was at the very least confident that they'd end up on the left side of the scoreboard. I'm still baffled about that result Also kinda sad about the result for the UK. I get that it was never gonna be a top contender for this year, but the 0 points felt undeserved

ABBA clearly knew what EBU was cooking, the moment Loreen was announced for 2023 and predicted to win and they didnt want any of that. ABBA not performing for the 50th anniversary of their win was actual cherry on top and it added much more respect to their brand.

"Make the braids thicker" IM SOBBING

It honestly was the most hateful ESC I’ve ever put myself through, probably not helped by obsessively internetting my way through the whole thing. The songs were amazing, though - one of the best years ever.

10:56 Croatia basically won the Eurovision back in 1989 when it was part of Yugoslavia.

9:45 Dancing Lasha Tumbai wouldn't come close to winning today?! sorry but what. sure it's a novelty song but it's made appearances at three separate Eurovisions, it's no accident it got 2nd and is now well-entrenched in Eurovision history while other winning songs have been long forgotten. ps. good video

The Lada Niva is a legendary car. It has basically been kept unchanged since 1977, only the engines got overhauled. There is even one full of apples in the original music video.

Three seconds of silence for all of us who were forbidden from watching the final live on KZfaq. I had to wait a few hours after it had finished to watch it. Although, I didn't face that problem in the semi-finals. They had Spain and Portugal at the final and decided to cut off a chunk of Latin America (I'm not sure if all countries were hit with region-locking)

Thank you so much for honouring Joost. It's super disrespectful what happened to him. Once it gets cleared up, I really do hope he will get justice. I still got to enjoy some of the finale, but after he got disqualified (I'm Dutch), I watched on and off. The EBU was simply too harsh to make a decision based on speculation without any facts to back them up, of which they refused to share. What we should really adhere to is the sentiment: "Not guilty until proven." I doubt the Netherlands will compete again if 1. Joost does not get justice and 2. Nothing in the EBU changes.

On the popularity of folk and its waining, i think you may actually have missed a point you made in your Estonia video: Puuluup said they play folk intruments but not folk music. Folk music is most often characerised by how accessible it is to sing as an unprepared group. Armenia was popular because even if you dont sing Armenian, you can join in 'lai lai lai...', Stefania is at least similar to a girls' name most europeans will be familiar with, and mama mamu is straightforward to mimic, plus the flute bit sticks in your head and you can 'do do do...' along to it; moving away from folk specifically, you can see this in other popular songs: if you dont sing Finnish, everyone can do 'cha cha cha...', if you can't understand what Baby Lasagne is singing, you can still 'rim tim tagi dim' along for the beat: something Rim Tim Tagi Dim and Cha Cha Cha share: the repeatable singing bit is literally and integral part of the rhythm of the song. You can't do that to Norway or Estonia's entries this year (though i am also a huge fan of Estonia's song and am disappointed, i can understand why it didn't do better). Even Moldova 2021, it didn't have the easy sounds to repeat regardless of your language, but Chisinau and Bucharest are both place names most viewers would be familiar with. It's not necessarily the history or the culture or the instruments that are doing the heavy lifting in folk's popularity, it's the song structure. If you're at a party (which a lot of Eurovision fans are) you can all quickly pick up the beat/words and sing along as a group. That's also possibly what's made it so popular now, in societies which feel more fragmented and atomised, singing and dancing together is cherished a moment of community. No, not all songs will fit this pattern, a lot were popular because of the performance. Ireland's isn't easily repeatable, nor France's, but both live performances were utterly mesmerising and therefore memorable. We decided to watch the show 'blind' this year to see how it changed the experience: I've only watched your videos after the fact, and when you are at a party, your are more keyed in to remembering a song you could all start singing along to or whose stage presence absolutely demanded and commanded your attention. Or which song had everybody up dancing; that was Greece and Austria for us.

Only an American would describe the Estonian entry as folk 🤣🤣🤣 Armenia was actual folk, and it did pretty well.

Both this and last years eurovision have shown that there's a major disconnect between jury and audience votes. So what's the point of voting as a viewer or even watching if ultimately the jury will basically pull a name out of the hat and completely skew the results in favor of one particular candidate. Even in a 50/50 situation the jury has more power than the audience, becuase it's vote tends to be much more unanimous. Get rid of juries.

In my very humble…and non-professional opinion… Olly got shut down not because of his voice, his stardom nor even his ‘gay-vote’ prowess if not 100% for the abysmal staging someone placed on the performance. The grimy walls, the over-sexual content and the throwback to when gay sex was pretty much confined to germ-ridden public washrooms back in the 1980s did him no favours. I had so many good ideas and so many hopes for an amazing staging to accompany his truly outstanding song ….alas, ‘‘twas not to be.

CROATIE WINNER 2024!!

This year was traumatic

Another retroactive Joost Klein award nominee could be Jann last year...

Yes, I voted for Estonia. They're brilliant.

I think on a individual basis, Nemo winning over Croatia is not a big deal, 2nd place IS a great position, and Nemo is certainly worthy of a top 5, however in extension of last year with Kaaja, a very nasty trend are starting, the difference between the jury and the audience are simply too big, and some 200 people should not have more to say than 200 million people, i think eurovision would be a lot better if the jury's vote only counted for 50% of what it does now, that way they still have a impact and can reward 'good jury song' but ideally will not change the winner

Was expecting another retroactive Joost Klein award for Daði Freyr... He was the clear winner for 2020 and had COVID in 2021... 😢

The reason the singing grannies and Verka Serduchka did so well, was that their songs were actually good.

As someone from germany. We are celebrating Isaak, like finally our curse has been broken, but it seems we passed it onto Norway. Sorry Norway, you did not deserve last place

I love this analysis: thank you for putting in perspective the issues of Eurovision and the strength of the music not celebrated by this festival

I'm ashamed it took me till Monday morning to realise that The Code was literally about being non binary, and I didn't pick up on the symbolism of the staging until you mentioned it here. I wasn't mad about Nemo winning by any means, but it wasn't my favourite as I felt the song and the staging gimmick were kind of random. Now I see how wrong I was I'm quite glad they won even if stylistically it's not the sort of song I'm likely to listen to now Eurovision is over.