Deleuze on the Image of Thought

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Dr. Ellie Anderson introduces some ideas from Chapter 3 of Gilles Deleuze's 1968 book Difference and Repetition, where Deleuze lays out the dogmatic "image of thought" that he sees evident in much of the history of philosophy from Plato to Hegel and more. She discusses Deleuze's accounts of discord between the faculties, error and bêtise, representation, and more.
This video is based on material from Dr. Anderson's Poststructuralism seminar at Pomona College.
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@ghundmanful
@ghundmanful Жыл бұрын
So glad you mentioned the subject of bêtise/false problems/stupidity. I'm writing about stupidity in relation to democracy and the "END" of the Enlightenment. Strangely, or not, stupidity plays a mayor role in this proces of undermining reason, knowledge and truth. I appreciate your video's very much.
@MartinBraonain
@MartinBraonain Жыл бұрын
Listening to this I thought (ha) of Emily Dickinson's poetry and how she problematises and explores thought, what it is to know and the limits of that. 'Tell all the truth, but tell it slant.' She foregrounds creative thinking when encountering the world. I was reading Volcanoes be in Sicily today and your video immediately resonated with me. Thanks.
@austinbailey6175
@austinbailey6175 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best guide/summary videos of the key ideas in Deleuze--specifically, Difference and Repetition--that I have ever seen. All I can say is: I wish I had your clarity and concision. Thank you so much. This will be helpful for a current research project I am working on. Your students are very lucky to have you.
@MervJaap
@MervJaap 8 ай бұрын
Most of my life seems to evolve around the desire to think up or, as Deleuze puts it, encounter something truly original. This bit on Deleuze, which you explained so aptly, really gives me a new way to think about finding originality and seems to confirm that mostly (adult) life is about recognition (and thus no thought or novelty at all).
@JB-qh3dn
@JB-qh3dn Жыл бұрын
Could you discuss Blanchot’s thoughts on philosophy and literature, exteriority and the outside. Thank you 😊 💓 your discussions are truly marvelous ✨️ ❤️ 💖 ♥️ 💕 thank you
@cosmicwit
@cosmicwit 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for what is quite possibly the most lucid and helpful explanation of Chapter 3 of DR!
@timb350
@timb350 Жыл бұрын
The ‘image of thought distorts thinking.’ Hmmmmmm. Ya gotta start somewhere though. I mean… thought occurs. If you’re thinking about thinking…then you’ve gotta have some kind of concept of what that means (there has to be something to interrogate)…and that concept HAS to come from somewhere. Call it an ‘image’, call it a turtle, or call it a flpledox…if you’re gonna think about something… that ‘something’ has to occur in some manner of manifestation. That is the prerequisite for every one of the philosophers you mentioned at the beginning (and probably every philosopher who has wasted their time attempting to disentangle the gordian knot of meaning). They HAVE to locate the ‘terms’ under which their examination is going to occur…and proceed accordingly. I’m sure every one of them would have categorically insisted that they were, in fact, allowing thought to occur ‘under its own terms’. I mean…what would be the point of any other approach!?!?!!? They would no doubt have insisted that their ‘image’ was, in fact, as close to an accurate representation of the-thing-in-itself as could possibly be exhumed under the circumstances. To be fair though…Deleuze does present some very compelling …and disruptive…perspectives on the whole enterprise.
@todayisokay4075
@todayisokay4075 Жыл бұрын
I believe that the assumption that everyone is naturally able to find knowledge and that philosophy is about the pursuit of knowledge or Truth is a valid one. If we observe the models we create to understand the future state of things, we can see that they often provide accurate and specific results. However, I believe it is important to keep in mind the scale of the results we expect, as specific areas of the whole might not look like the average we're trying to improve. With this in mind, I am of the opinion that our natural faculty for thinking can help us achieve this goal. I hope that makes sense.
@o.s.h.4613
@o.s.h.4613 10 ай бұрын
Would you ever be up to do a tour of your bookshelf, and general thoughts on each book? Sort of like a mad-dash review through each book (it’d be especially helpful too, it lets us know what kind of book quality we’re getting. Online orders often don’t show real photos)
@maltrho
@maltrho Жыл бұрын
The number of hours and years the finest minds for generations have waisted on reading Deleuze!
@chintandatt7444
@chintandatt7444 Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this.
@wolfiedude14
@wolfiedude14 Жыл бұрын
I just read Empiricism and Subjectivity, which is a study on Hume by Deleuze, but I haven't really engaged with much of his famous radical work such as Difference and Repetition. What is staggering though is just how much you can identify these threads of thought in this early essay of his on Hume. Even his conception of philosophy as being about problems is in the latter end of the book when speaking upon the definition, or criticisms, of Hume. Interesting stuff. I would recommend people get their hands on Empiricism and Subjectivity, either if studying Hume or Deleuze: it's short and weirdly readable and seemingly a great primer for his later development!
@ifinallyfoundajobformoz
@ifinallyfoundajobformoz Жыл бұрын
Really liked this video all along, but when I realized you have 'Ugly Feelings' lying behind you on the shelf, you really won me over! I come from cultural theory and want to learn more about philosophy, seems like I have found another helpfull channel!
@slenbisoobeliut
@slenbisoobeliut 6 ай бұрын
Thank you miss I started to learn about this strange guy but as mathematician and couldn't get the idea of his representation but now I am good)
@lorenaguerini9222
@lorenaguerini9222 8 ай бұрын
Excellent! Thank you so much for the video ❤
@bobsabin
@bobsabin 6 ай бұрын
This video is GREAT. Thank you.
@kristenr8311
@kristenr8311 Жыл бұрын
i think you're great - thank you for these....
@AnujDasgupta
@AnujDasgupta 7 ай бұрын
"la bêtise" is also mischief as in when you reprimand kids in French, you ask them not to do so much "bêtise". So it could mean stupidity, but also mischief (sometimes in a foolishness kinda sense even). In fact Deleuze does sounds quite like asking Thought being like when we fool around creatively with the notes in an jazz improv, that sense of foolishness or mischief.
@rafaelhamamoto4167
@rafaelhamamoto4167 Жыл бұрын
Can I say this “image thought” critic has some parallels with Wittgenstein’s ideas ? Thank you for your videos ❤ i am also a non English speaking native, so having videos like this helps a lot to clarify concepts and analyses that sometimes are made in English articles.
@twilightdakini
@twilightdakini 7 ай бұрын
Great video 🙏🏻
@clarkedavis488
@clarkedavis488 10 ай бұрын
Thanks. I'll check it out.
@TheGhashish
@TheGhashish 9 ай бұрын
thank you so much for this.
@user-kf8jm1pu5v
@user-kf8jm1pu5v 3 ай бұрын
It's hard to undestand Deleuze to me! think you do an excellent work teaching philosophy on you Tube! Thank you !
@user-kf8jm1pu5v
@user-kf8jm1pu5v 3 ай бұрын
Ah...sorry! I'm from Brazil. Congratulations!
@inbfu1513
@inbfu1513 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your great videos. Would you please make a video about 'Affect'? Maybe from Massumi or Sara Ahmed's view?
@hegeliankid1226
@hegeliankid1226 Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video about the 5th chapter of Difference and Repetition?
@ClassPunkOnRumbleAndSubstack
@ClassPunkOnRumbleAndSubstack Жыл бұрын
If I am understanding him right I disagree with him. I think that love is more foundational than questions, ideas, or power. Seeking power over others can sometimes be a loving response to oneself due to trauma and lack of wisdom. To paraphrase Harry Frankfurt from The Reasons of Love, love is necessary for action and subsequently survival, wellbeing, and meaning in life-- so love appears foundational to consciousness itself, but it doesn't necessarily feel that way to human beings all the time, or ever; and I think the reason for this is because, while feeling loved in some way can be a greatly and generally desired feeling, there is an insufficient ethical pursuit of the study of love to reveal how it might be foundational to consciousness, especially in ways in which this can be felt more.
@PaoloCaminiti
@PaoloCaminiti 11 ай бұрын
what a nice edition of Decameron you have there
@bogdanandone9022
@bogdanandone9022 11 ай бұрын
I love this one !
@goner3560
@goner3560 5 ай бұрын
didnt krishnamurti used to say something similar? " watch the tree without the word"? something like that
@idan4794
@idan4794 Жыл бұрын
You recommend study philosophy nowadays in terms of jobs ..?
@gilbertgonzales915
@gilbertgonzales915 5 ай бұрын
Found you again
@theIdlecrane
@theIdlecrane Жыл бұрын
I own this book and must say it is a much more difficult text than Anti-Oedipus, and no I have not managed to read it cover to cover
@doylesaylor
@doylesaylor Жыл бұрын
I find Deleuze such a challenge rejecting the concept of recognition as shallow. Saying there are other more thinking ways to think creatively. If one is face-blind such as Oliver Sacks, then connectivity issues of thinking plague a person who can’t recognize an old friend. What that shows is thinking performs connectivity in a real sense. The connectivity of nouns to the objects they name is a fundamental property of human cognitive realism. Thinking loses realism by not connecting words to things. That to me is a very heavy criticism of Deleuze who claims connectivity is shallow when it is obviously fundamental to thinking. One cannot create without naming things, because creating connects.
@blyysm
@blyysm Жыл бұрын
Deleuze is a subtle joke: his name De-lose means winning, i.e. it is a bundle of methods and concepts made to approach realities from the 'ontology of wealth' position (positivity or inexhaustibility of the ground).
@scimitaredgebooks
@scimitaredgebooks 11 ай бұрын
Surely error is as much an outcome of thought as truth, and it is to do with knowledge? You can think all you want about something but if you lack knowledge of it you can still be in error despite how cleverly you have reasoned something
@josedavilatraavieso4327
@josedavilatraavieso4327 Жыл бұрын
how about the human metamorphosis, there's entities that manipulate elements for our coercion ( thoughts) let said one when reborn validate cognitive psychology outburst.
@nikpapado3006
@nikpapado3006 Жыл бұрын
@josedavilatraavieso4327
@josedavilatraavieso4327 Жыл бұрын
Deleuze great thinker.
@onikn9138
@onikn9138 6 ай бұрын
My study of philosophy at Uni was minoring in the philosophy of Science and philosophy of Art. Do you think they relate to the human condition, or rather help us understand the human condition in a significant way? I suppose they drive eachother. The missinterpritation of quantum "philosophy" probably should not be a boon for the unhinged, even though i see the point of a trending bias missinterpritation of knowledge to get away from a base idea. The "clockwork" universe was something that probably most of humanity felt very uneasy with given most had hard lives in the 1800s. Breaking from that opressive social structure possibly was nessesary, but as a scientist i see the clockwork universe as truely mindblowing and, from a humans prospective, filled with infinite curiosities. The interesting thing is conversations are much like a teacher grading work. As I'm getting older i find it hard to interact/relate with anyone on a meaningful level. We are just too far apart, and neither of us are "right". So what is the point of interacting/teaching with/a group/person that has base understanding and limited fluidity of thought. As Nietzsche posed God is Dead, does postmodernism pose the Philosopher is Dead?
@cervenypes123
@cervenypes123 Жыл бұрын
"...that he does not buy." Telling
@ricardomurillo5205
@ricardomurillo5205 Жыл бұрын
Betise also comes from beast which is animal but extremely charged..."bestiality"
@user-ix5xu2yp6y
@user-ix5xu2yp6y Жыл бұрын
애청하고 있습니다
@blueoak116
@blueoak116 Жыл бұрын
Oh dear, how deep we can go without making sense. Not so much about the Professor as Deleuze.
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy Жыл бұрын
According to Deleuze, at least, not very. Incidentally, he associates depth with sense in much of his work. He just thinks that sense is very different from how it is usually conceived.
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy Жыл бұрын
(it's fine not to buy it, just sharing that this would be his hypothetical response)
@Nepidemicofmannequins
@Nepidemicofmannequins Жыл бұрын
🤎🧡
@LeopardKing-im4bm
@LeopardKing-im4bm Жыл бұрын
Problems arise from utility. Utility can not exist outside of the Cogito.
@ryangorgoni7602
@ryangorgoni7602 11 ай бұрын
the guy died in 1995, sheesh. hmu
@bradmodd7856
@bradmodd7856 Жыл бұрын
That went nowhere
@maxg971
@maxg971 11 ай бұрын
This is so interesting, i gotta start reading deleuze
@johnchrysostom3831
@johnchrysostom3831 Жыл бұрын
Прекрасная подача материала, спасибо!
@ElRecopilador-wz9dn
@ElRecopilador-wz9dn Жыл бұрын
I´m a Hispanic Literature professor, I cover a lot of philosophy in my classes, and you hit the nail with that explanation; it´s perfect for my undergrad students, clear, to the point, and moderately complex. Great work.
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! These are geared for undergrad-level, so this is great to hear :)
@adaptercrash
@adaptercrash Жыл бұрын
I saw that look godk drawing that
@bobcabot
@bobcabot Жыл бұрын
Nietzsche said: Psychology one day will absorb Philosophy, but he couldnt see Neuroscience coming to absorb Psychology...
@eclecticjourneys4004
@eclecticjourneys4004 Жыл бұрын
Can you let me know when you will get to Nelson Goodman "Ways of Worldmaking" and irrealist was of thinking of the world.
@EMC2Scotia
@EMC2Scotia Жыл бұрын
''Problems as a basis for truth'', sounds quite Hegelian one may say?
@mobbbesen
@mobbbesen Жыл бұрын
Suffering is the condition to say the truth ( Adorno)
@clumsydad7158
@clumsydad7158 Жыл бұрын
some days i think i'm deleuzing my mind
@TheoryPhilosophy
@TheoryPhilosophy Жыл бұрын
This channel is sick.
@opposite.
@opposite. 2 ай бұрын
i love your work david ❤️
@DjTahoun
@DjTahoun Жыл бұрын
I love your lectures, l learn a lot from it. Thank you so much, keep up the good work 🌷😇🌷
@anand2a222
@anand2a222 Жыл бұрын
11:18 Watching up to this point, I had to pause to write out some thoughts that came up for me (great topic and summary btw, thanks for uploading): Why is “this image” of mind so central in the first place - where does its origin, for us specifically, reside in time? Perhaps because “the image” is what we, by - ideally - consensual and mutual choice, impose on ourselves to stabilize order in a society: by resisting it (this internal resistance in us being a natural part within our nature that resembles and reflects our surrounding nature without) we are resisting our given, from those who passed through before us, self-precreated condition to obey our collective mind’s image - though disobedience, without half measure of retention for obedience (that is, true obedience, to first [self-]god and then others through [self-]god), becomes a new oppression of obedience to the new master, a less considerate one, of disobedience: however we rely on this unifying, universal image to establish harmony amongst ourselves, to pledge our obedience to, for it to serve us as we serve to preserve it - it exists and has existed as and for a practical function and purpose from the beginning, thus for us to not suffer under it, we must recreate it, with doubt as an express function for progression, for it to work for and with us(?);
@quinn3334
@quinn3334 Жыл бұрын
these are the best intro to philosopher videos on youtube
@geronimo8159
@geronimo8159 Жыл бұрын
Different method, but the project doesn't seem to far removed from Derrida's if I'm not mistaken?
@BailelaVida
@BailelaVida Жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thanks kindly for your well exposed lectures. Love'em! M. Deleuze sure is an interesting chap. Please continue the good work.
@PCH12r
@PCH12r Жыл бұрын
Generaly speaking to those people interested in philosophy - JUST READ PLATO/ARISTOTLE! - you don't need any modern or other texts. This is what I learned by practice. These two managed to compile ideas which has been entertained by other thinkers.
@sumiokodai1652
@sumiokodai1652 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 go back to Ancient Greece then if that's the only text you think is important
@rhabdob3895
@rhabdob3895 Жыл бұрын
Uhm… Hi.
@playscript9043
@playscript9043 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ellie for this and many other of your videos - your sincerity, acute insights, comprehension and animated delivery are all a pleasure, and bring philosophy close (ie serve as an introduction or recap). You are a refreshing change from the style of many academics - some of whom are defensive and over specialised. I wish you were around for my doctorate (on Charles Peirce - is he someone you might cover?) May you continue well in 2023. (from Australia)
@TheGarudaman
@TheGarudaman Жыл бұрын
I’m reminded of something from Joseph Campbell, describing a Buddhist concept; “Identify not with the thought, but with the Knower of the Thought. Not with the Body, but with the Knower of the Body” or along those lines. 😊
@Go2daFuture
@Go2daFuture Жыл бұрын
here we go, a case of recognition by resemblance
@ikeu6433
@ikeu6433 3 ай бұрын
@@Go2daFuturelol
@soaked189
@soaked189 Ай бұрын
Please can you explain
@ozzymandias8265
@ozzymandias8265 Жыл бұрын
Deleuze's Difference and Repetition was one of the first proper works of philosophy I read on my own (aside from the curated snippets you are assigned in intro classes), and the Image of Thought chapter has indelibly affected the way I think about every text I've engaged with since. Even a year and a half later, I still find myself going back to that chapter and thinking it over again. Thank you for making a video going over it.
@suejackson2566
@suejackson2566 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Ms.Dr.Anderson would you say that there is a difference between platos tree in a seed and the antroposophic principal if its called so and not antropical princip?
@shamanverse
@shamanverse Жыл бұрын
The Deleuzian Koan: perception is conception. Conception is perception.
@rskyler1
@rskyler1 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a fourfold root methinks. Does he credit schopenhauer or modify the branches?
@chino9472
@chino9472 Жыл бұрын
☆Coral Reefs☆
@ziloj-perezivat
@ziloj-perezivat Жыл бұрын
This is so #philosophic
@jaimetorres950
@jaimetorres950 Жыл бұрын
As a scientist, my opinion regarding the evolution of human understanding is: Religion-->Philosophy -->Science. Religion is absolute bs, philosophy is half bs and science is evidence-based certainty
@bookerandavril
@bookerandavril Жыл бұрын
Sure mr. scientist 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@fede2
@fede2 Жыл бұрын
And of course all that is evidence-based is the only legitimate form of knowledge because... Oh, never mind. I was just about to do a "half bs".
@rskyler1
@rskyler1 Жыл бұрын
Science makes inferences (different from deductive logic) which necessitate a philosophy of science
@scriabinismydog2439
@scriabinismydog2439 Жыл бұрын
The first thing you learn in many physics classes is that so called "certainty" in measurment is impossible and whatever result we get doesn't match one-to-one with reality...
@jaimetorres950
@jaimetorres950 Жыл бұрын
@@scriabinismydog2439 True, but that is evidence-based understanding, not philosophical speculation
@Garland41
@Garland41 Жыл бұрын
So.... when you brought up reading the last page first to get the listed form of the 8 postulates, I didn't do that on my first read... I, as strange as it may sound kept referencing the table of contents and found that really helpful for figuring out the spacing of the transitions of the postulates within the chapter.
@pedrova8058
@pedrova8058 Жыл бұрын
a book that helped me to start trying to understand Deleuze is "Spinoza et le probleme de l'expression" (1969) (I think there is no edition in english(?), I got one in spanish). It is closely linked to the ideas exposed in Difference and Repetition, with that - at least - you can begin to grasp the general context from which the frenchman exposes his ideas (and I could even say that it is an "easier" book to read, at least is not as cryptic as other of his main works xD)
@Garland41
@Garland41 Жыл бұрын
The English title is Expressionism in Philosophy: Spinoza (the French title is much better).
@Anark
@Anark Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Thank you for creating it!
@Ganja64
@Ganja64 Жыл бұрын
Polanyi-double movement/podcast
@LitArtCulture
@LitArtCulture Жыл бұрын
I can use this video in my class. Thank you indeed.
@bruce-le-smith
@bruce-le-smith Жыл бұрын
I am definitely a dimwit lol, recently I've been trying to teach myself woodworking using KZfaq, and I can confirm that most of my misadventures are simply nonsense. I don't even have the frameworks or motor skills to classify them as genuine errors. As with all the videos on this channel I will need to watch it about a dozen more times, but this really is some of the best content on this platform. Thank you
@user-yf2iv6ch8z
@user-yf2iv6ch8z Жыл бұрын
I'm a student of English literature who learnt a little bit about philosophy and found this useful and interesting
@artlessons1
@artlessons1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for an animated attempt to define such a complex work. Your vocabulary and usage of words are always a joy to the ears.
@txmie
@txmie Жыл бұрын
I agree 😊
@Arachne1111
@Arachne1111 Жыл бұрын
This was very helpful. Could you speak about Deleuze‘s thoughts on non-sense too?
@davidcastillo1683
@davidcastillo1683 Жыл бұрын
Yes! I can't binge your videos because well - it's F'ing philosophy! - but I'm working my way through your catalog so I don't know if you've covered Deleuze before but yes! At last! Deleuze is strange because I think the way he highlights his work makes it seem more cryptic than it actually is, but I always find something unique and insightful whenever I read (slowly) his work. Case in point: his notion of 'arrangements' rather than human rights. Anyway, your work is phenomenal and this channel is essential. Keep up the inspired work Dr. Anderson!
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy Жыл бұрын
Thanks! We also have a video on Deleuze's "Societies of Control" :)
@JonathanDunlap
@JonathanDunlap Жыл бұрын
This was amazing! Will there be a part 2?
@yusufcanbulut2319
@yusufcanbulut2319 Жыл бұрын
I am not a native english speaker and I have not any major on Philosophy, even I didn't attend to university. But your way of explaining hard topics is so clear and it is super! This channel is like a shiny gold mine in KZfaq forest. Thank you for your all sharings. Greeting from Türkiye.
@3choblast3r4
@3choblast3r4 Жыл бұрын
Ahh .. a fellow Turk.
@seanballinger9539
@seanballinger9539 11 ай бұрын
@@3choblast3r4,w
@alexandersumarokov5901
@alexandersumarokov5901 Жыл бұрын
What comes first the chicken or the egg? Idea or Thought? Is it philosophy question? слишком много слов, я устал.
@harisubramanian4165
@harisubramanian4165 Жыл бұрын
Could you also post a video on Slavoj zizek philosophy? I would love to hear your thoughts💬 & insights on his philosophy
@freebornjohn2687
@freebornjohn2687 Жыл бұрын
As long as she doesn't have to do any sympathetic sniffing.
@alexandersumarokov5901
@alexandersumarokov5901 Жыл бұрын
I don't remember If I say you Happy New Year already, so Happy New Year!
@harisubramanian4165
@harisubramanian4165 Жыл бұрын
Hey, I am from India 🇮🇳, I love your philosophy videos
@owendennehy995
@owendennehy995 Жыл бұрын
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