Are you trying to decide between 200 MHz an 2 channels or 100 MHz and 4 channels? If so, I went with the 200 MHz and 2 channels because I thought I’d go with the best option to capture clean signals and if I found myself needing wanting 4 channels - I’d just upgrade. That said, 100 MHz is probably plenty fast and 4 channels would keep me from wanting... They say to have a bandwidth 5x the frequency that you may want to capture. Actually, I think this topic deserves a short video! In regards to sample rate - you only need 2.5x the bandwidth. So, 2.5 x 100 MHz = 250 million samples per second. Nyquist Theorem calls for 2x but the 2.5 assures good sampling. I think they all cover this now. Deep memory is the game changer.

@@KissAnalog I am trying to decide between the SDS1204X-E or the SDS2352X-E if that helps? :-)

The SDS2102x is on a 30% sale so that brings it to that price range that your looking at. Deep memory and big screen. I think any one of them is a great deal.

@@KissAnalog Thanks for answering! Sorry I do not understand?

Fried Mule sorry it sent before I was finished;)

Cassi Lemon That’s great - which one did you get? I’m glad to hear from you!

Thank you Clive! I actually have a new Owen scope review coming out very soon! ;)

Thanks do much! I appreciate you!

I appreciate you!

Thank you for the great review. It really helps people to hear the product experience of others. I agree with your comments about Siglent, and I think Rigol needs an update. Owon has promise, but we’ll have to see. I appreciate your comments-thank you.

That’s great! With the 4 channel version, it supports web control and virtual panel. My Siglent is a 2 channel, so I haven’t been able to try that. Let us know how you like it. Thanks for the feedback!

Mark Greco thank you - I appreciate you!

I wish I had not been sick when this came up. Maybe I could have done a better job... But I gave it a go;)

That is fantastic Frank!! I really wanted that 12 bits;) Thank you for this update! Does the FFT window show a scale now - both vertical and horizontal? BTW, did they enable taht multifunction knob to control placement of cursors or do you find the touch screen works for you?

@@KissAnalog no, unfortunately there is no scale in the FFT. I will try the multifunction knob in the next days. Where do I have to watch your video showing poor multifunction behaviour?

I C wish I could give them feedback but their agents here don’t seem to care. Instead of trying to work with me they just asked me to return the scope. And it took forever to get in the first place.

@@KissAnalog The position of the cursors is controlable with the MF knob. The big cursor readout field is not moveable. You can only switch it on or off. For the FM spectrum of my antenna I used 10 dB/Div instead of 20 dB/div to get better use of the big screen. But there is a bug. Sometimes you can not select 10 dB... And of course there are some other bugs. You cant save the FFT setting in memory. Automatic peak measurement detects the 0 Hz DC line, if other FM stations are weaker than your DC offset. And so on. So in my opinion the FFT is more or less a toy.

Thanks for asking! I have a number of videos showing this scope. You can search (kissanalog Siglent) and you should be able to find them. Here is one example: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jLlzoqSJl8euYoE.html

LOL Thank you! I appreciate you!

I think Siglent is a great choice. I also really like my GW Instek;)

I hope they have fixed that since. It did have a really nice screen to look at it - even though I couldn't stop accidentally touching it - when I didn't mean to;)

Pratwurscht Gulasch Great feedback. Check out this scope:) Best MDO Oscilloscope - for the money kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZOgabOA1r3RnqM.html

Thanks for asking! I think it’s a great scope, but I’d suggest looking at the X-E model: amzn.to/2ZDkODt

Awesome;)

Thanks - that's a great idea. I'll do some measurements comparing it to other scopes that I have.

@@KissAnalog I had bought a cheapo hantek to simply use as a volt meter in roll mode, but it was so far off I sent it back same day. not talking about mV but over 1-2 volts as 12v - but I do admit, I like the volt display on it, thought i was getting away with a 2ch graphical voltmeter vs a bench meter lol

Thanks! I need to do a video on Holdoff - it can be very useful;) I have a new OWON - and the firmware is much better;)

Thanks for your feedback!

keefebaby Thank you! I was in a time pinch and had to return the Owon, that’s why I pushed ahead in my sickly state to do this;). But I do have the GW Instek so I can use the two scopes to demonstrate the data decode features.

Mark Thanks for the feedback. You are right about the display of the OWON, and at first I was excited. But, on closer inspection the amplitude of the fundamental was simply no where near correct on the OWON - let alone the harmonics. Lower noise level is great as well as frequency resolution, it was just the amplitude and lack of vertical scale In the FFT that was off. The square wave is a great way to see all those other points that you brought out. I actually spent a lot of time trying different signals and signal levels - as well as different combinations of time scale, voltage scale, and with sample rate and memory depth. Nothing worked. This video is very long as I wanted to be as fair as possible to OWON. I have more recorded that is no more flattering. But i didn’t want to bash them. I’m hoping that they correct this. Also I was ver sick and only did this video when I was sick because I was running out of time to return it. I spent so much time trying to work with OWON and waiting for them while they looked into it. I’ve been doing this for a long time and know how to use FFT and spectrum analyzers. But if you catch me doing something wrong I’m always trying to learn. I really wanted this scope to work because of the hardware specs and was willing to wait for software updates. I tried to work with OWON and they were very responsive, but didn’t know how to correct the problem. At first they thought that they had a software update but then realized I had the latest software that was just released. So, they asked me to return it but I was willing to take a replacement if it was just a problem with my scope. BTW, the Siglent is less than half the cost, and the E version is even lower cost and has much better FFT than mine. Paul at learnelectronics just picked up an OWON and he is going to look at the FFT of his so maybe we will see that it has been corrected. I hope to hear from you again, I like your attention to detail.

A square wave down in the noise floor is a fantastic challenge test for these scopes.

Thanks for pointing this out. The 14 bits is very useful for audio work as the lower sample rate is not a problem. Actually if you follow the Nyquist sampling theorem, it drops the scope to a bandwidth of 50 Mhz - so still very useful.

LOL - who reads manuals;) Actually I do - when all else fails;)

Thank you!

I agree the 24 bits sound amazing, and that’s why I purchased this scope. At 34:12 I have a slow 10 Hz signal and I try the different bit levels. I was so excited, but I just did not see this advantage in the low level signals where it should have shined, but it just didn’t. The bandwidth limits were not the issue. I have rarely returned an item so it was only because I was so disappointed. To be fair I was battling pneumonia and time to return. I might try product again after they have time to fix things. I really believe Owon will be a new king of the block!

You are right! I did actually do this comparison and I just didn’t see a big difference. I also changed the deep memory to see if that helped. I really wanted the 14 bit to make me smile. What I show in the video is the best case scenarios I think. The Owon did do great and offers a lot, but I am not sold on the 14 bits. At 14 bits, it is limited to 100 MSa/s which should still be good to 50 MHz. My generator is only good to 25 MHz, so it should still have been fast enough to capture the waveforms that I used. I was sick and had to return the scope, but I wanted to give the Owon a good review. So, I made this video pretty long to try to be fair. But it wasn’t because of the lack of impressive 14 bit operation, I returned it because I didn’t think the FFT was working correctly.

@@KissAnalog ahhh mate... I've been watching scope reviews for hours upon hours now. I don't need more than 8 bits but looking for 100MHz/4ch. I can get an Owon for £324 (UK) and a Siglent for $440, but judged by all the reviews there is absolutely no contest. The Siglent just works and the Owon is a piece of crap. It can't even see it doing any intensity grading for the best part of your review. I think 8+ bits only benefits when you zoom into captured signals anyway. I am leaning hard towards the Siglent in spite of the extra cost.

I think the Siglent is tough to beat. I’m also becoming a big fan of the GW Instek.

Thank you for the great feedback!! I will do another Owon review. They have corrected some issues and I have a new video that I release on the Owon, but I'll have more to come: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lciJdtF0rqe6e30.html

@@KissAnalog Hi. Thanks for noticing mine comment. I saw OWON to be also trademarked as Hanmatek. Their model DOS1102 looks exactly like DSO1102. Check this new "brand" out. Hope to see review of OWON 1104 or something like that. And Hantek USB with 8 bit digital input analyser. And with generator. Not just basic models. To see do they kept 5mV sensitivity in more advanced model or it was wiped out as tradeof.. What Hantek and FRNISI offers at this price range is unaccceptable 50mV basically like a toy. But there is catch. What i saw annoying on OWON *new owner previously had Hantek USB + HP TC1100 Tablet PC. Is FFT analisys. I mean X axis of it (frequency). You can change band range, kinda, but instead / in addition it moves across the X axis. Witch is understandable to some extend, but it doesnt work as should, there is no control over "offset" so basically there is no way to see clearly certain range of band. Same with amplitude Y axis. It's more like a toy than FFT in real life. Nevertheless i chosen this one knowing reviews of Hantek more expensive scopes, knowin it has almost everything as more expensive scopes.including what i mentioned in previous comment. So far so good. FY6800 enerator plus OWOn instead Hantek. Would get this one blindly again. The only thing i haven't been able to test - square wave over 20MHz. Is't FY6800 limitation or is't scope limitation? I mean - no matter what you choose everything is sinewave. Even with 20MHz limitation turned off. What i saw also annoying during usage is that: even for entry level scope should have 3 or 4 input oscilocope. It's minimum. For trigger. I owned FY6800 generator plus Owon instead of Hantek with generator combined. Better ADC - 5mV sensitivity instead of 50mV of Hantek. But now i see that lack of 3rd input it's very limiting. Not so sure are their more expensive models that attractive without decent FFT. It's really that bad. It's pretty usefull thing even for a beginner. Only reason i upgraded to see 27Mhz band radio, what is going on with ESP32 so on so forth. PAL, decoding - pretty handy for any retro computing guy. If i could choose again i no question about it. Would get it again. But if i had to spend more money would preffer to spend more over some real thing Siglent thing. It would be great if they notice your review, and they added X, Y offsets, to their firmware on FFT screen. So far it's the only thing i saw to be broken then it would be perfect sope for everyone. It have to be someone that powerfull, some youtuber to "force them" to release update :D

@@KissAnalog Since you like the Micsig table scopes so much.. I wish you would try the Owon TAO3104a (which is 14bit also- similar specs to this one). There are no videos about it, and it's driving me crazy. :) ..

LMAO😂

Thanks Joey! I will do that;)

@@KissAnalog I guess ya could being you have the footage ehh haha.

That’s too bad. Nice specs, but doesn’t help when the FFT is so bad. When I asked about it, I hoped they would have said that they are having it fixed with a future firmware update, but instead just offered to let me return it . Thanks for this feedback. It shows how many people don’t use FFT cause they say that no one complains.

Owon has made improvements. Here's a more recent video with Owon being updated. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lciJdtF0rqe6e30.html

@@KissAnalog Ohh Yeahh , thank you for the video .I see that owon is making further progress. That can only be good for the customers .

Yes for sure!

Hi Dennis, thank you for the great information! There are not too many people out there to share Owen experiences, so it really helps. You are right about my lack of time with the OWON, but I did have more time with the SIGLENT. It turned out that I had pneumonia, but I was on a time clock to return the OWON, so I wanted to give people a look at it. I was very happy with it except for the FFT wasn’t working, and OWON people wanted me to return it as they had nothing to correct the issues in the way of software updates. My firmware version was V2.9.0.0, what version do you have? Paul at learn electronics just got one and the FFT seems to be measuring correctly now. Although the vertical scale is still a bit dubious. I wanted the OWON because of the 14 bit A/D. The OWON is double the price as the Siglent, so I didn’t mean to compare them as which was better, but I was just attempting to show how the looked and performed. The OWON has a very nice and large display. BTW, I also have a new Instek and both the Instek and Siglent power up no differently regarding time in either FFT mode or time domain, but I don’t really care how fast they come up - I’m not that big in a rush to take a measurement. ;) I don’t know why some reviewers make that such a big deal. I’ll probably buy another Owon so that I can show it’s A/D off. I’d like to hear your thoughts on the FFT now that it seems to be working. BTW, which model do you have? Nice to hear from you, thanks for taking the time to share.

Klanfakus 🤣

Sorry about that. The main problem with the Owon is the FFT that was not functioning correctly, and that’s why I was under the gun to return it, but I wanted to try and share a review. So, I hope I get points for trying to share this when I was sick;)

LOL I thought I was a little sick but turned out I had a case of walking pneumonia. But I had to return the scope and wanted to do a video on it before I did...

I get it. I have a GW Instek scope that’s really solid. ;)

LOL which do you see as the trabant? The cost of those vehicles are opposite ends of the spectrum. These scopes are not that far apparat in price. Or are you comparing the quality ?? Well the Zoe on has a far superior display and vertical measurement accuracy while the Siglent firmware is more mature, so which is so far superior?? I guess I need the pills your on to see it your way - LOL dude!