The gentleman before this one had a good quote about the world

"If the world is against the truth, then I am against the world." - Saint Athanasius of Alexandria

As long as they have fear off offending,they will never move the world. Jesus did not concern himself with offending, he told it as it was.

considering the atraucities the church has committed in the past and christians being so hateful among certain groups of people they are moving the world but not in the way lord jesus christ would want.

@@pdss2528 people ,NOT the church were misguided in the past and telling homosexuals they are sinners is NOT hate you secular call anything christian hate, bloody arrogance of you people.

Are you referring to Saul of Tarsus?

(Christ Jesus) _"On seeing the crowds, he felt pity for them, because they were skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd"_ - Matthew 9:36 Chridt felt pity for the people, wandering aimlessly because their leaders, the Pharisees and Scribes, cared only about furthering their agendas and customs. The Church, today, are the modern-day Scribes and Pharisees. For they care only about their own interests.

The Wrong "Reverend" John Inge. 🤡

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From the Holy Scriptures 1 Corinthians 14: 33-35: "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."

He is not a bishop his fake

Aaron Wright: Where did your children learn how to hate so much? From you. You can sex all this up anywhere you want and use any high hatted justification you like. However, you are a hateful wretched person. I feel sorry for your children and grandchildren.

Your children lack education as do you

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Anglicans have as much religious authority as a guy who orders a certificate from an online ministry.

It's the perennial sin, the reaching for the apple.

That, is the right question

Hi Muokwue. I would suggest that many people identifying as Christian have not had a true conversion, otherwise they would be following the terms and conditions of Christ. Unfortunately there are too many false conversions where Christianity is presented as a happy, blessed, peaceful life and God wants you to be happy. This is leading many "Believers "astray. Just look at how people in Jesus time lived once they were converted. If they were slaves, they continued to be slaves, if they were poor, they continued to be poor. Many were shunned and thrown out of their synagogue and community and many hunted and thrown to the lions. Following the teachings of Christ is no easy thing and is not to be entered into lightly. True believers are those that live by the word uncompromisingly, and sadly these days, are fewer and fewer. I hope this is helpful. Lyndal.

He said " STOP sinning or something worse will happen to you ! " He NEVER said " I'll teach you how to come to terms with your sin..."

Because they are not, in fact, Christians.

It must be a race to the bottom!

​@@davidmorrison2739 The Wrong "Reverend" John Inge. 🤡

Why even profess to be a Christian at this point lol. Just for the ticket to heaven?

@@ReverendDr.Thomas Pardon?

Classical Christianity is well and truly finished in the West

There are those “Christians”, including clergy, who do not base what they believe on Scripture.

The scriptures have been retranslated through 4 or 5 different languages across 2000 years since they were originally written. Whether you like it or not, there’s room for interpretation.

It’s not true that the Scriptures have been retranslated 4 or 5 times over 2000 years. Scholars are constantly going back to more and more manuscripts from the original languages and retranslating. There’s no room for interpretation on plain dogmatic statements, such as “in the beginning God created..”

Were you saying the same thing when you attended your unmarried friends baby shower? Were you saying the same thing when you were in bed laying with that hot sexy thing you managed to get in your bed? Were you saying the same thing when you were wearing mixed fabrics? Were you saying that when you were at the buffet overeating?

The Scriptures are pretty clear on gluttony as well yet every “Thanksgiving” I know you’re stuffing your face. So what about the Scriptures then?

It’s like there is no fear of God and no faith that the Gospel is the power of God for salvation.

@@doctor1alex Interesting no matter how much some preachers try to flip, twist and spin the Scripture, it always sprngs back into shape again......

Amen

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There will be a revival brother, let us keep praying!

And he is true because bible is true

Compelling? I'm sorry Mousseline was compelling.

​@@marksutton5540 i agree. To be a public speaker, you all want to learn to be compelling. The next question is what do YOU think about what they said. When you take away how they said it, and more so what they said. What does it mean to you?

Because The True Rev. Calvin Robinson is an Apostle of Christ! His speech is guided by the Power of the Holy Spirit. God will elevate this young man for speaking the Word.

And yet he says nothing

Christianity is dying because an educated person do not need fairy tales to guide their lives anymore

Hey Pope Benedict XVI set up an ordinariate for the anglicans for a reason

@@FatJoe98100 I'm a church going Catholic (didn't say a good one!) and really Christianity generally is waning in all of the West; Anglicanism and otherwise.

​@@FatJoe98100 The Catholic Church is just lagging behind...a little bit. It is in a headlong rush to catch up with the Anglican Church. A synodal Church will no doubt look like the Anglican Church. The German Synodal Way which likewise adopts all the same "progressive" doctrines is the first fruits.

​@@AL_YZ Not if Pope Francis excommunicates the German bishops.

Didn't the pope allow ssm?

@@gerrymanda983 he seems to be working (or is that Woking) on it.

@@gerrymanda983 No he stated clearly it's a sin

They conveniently won’t mention the fact that Jesus also didn’t say anything about incest or bestiality either

Indeed, Paul was speaking to Romans and especially the Greeks

​@@HarryFlashmanVC That's why he told them not to reject the Law (of God), but to uphold it.

Tammy : Yeshua did refer to end days being as in the days of Lot who lived in Sodom before it was destroyed, even though I believe Sodom was destroyed for many sins, not just homosexuality alone.

Fornication includes homosexuality, whether hetero or homo..So also does the sermon on the mount, & the proverbs, therefore Mark.9v45..

The Lord needs not have mercy on you because you are actually doing His work. Commendations rather shall be his remarks for rebuking sin and calling out falsehood for what it is.

You need to know you are not against sin...i am from Nigeria and we are so disappointed with the Church of England. He is a Heretic...i assure you if this man comes to Nigeria we won't allow him enter the chancel

@@louisadu-amoah1504well said

We are to judge sin in the church.

​@@louisadu-amoah1504 2 Timothy approved of that. Yhyh

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Jose H : The Church ALSO does not keep GOD'S LAWS. Just look at the 4th Commandment concerning remembering the Sabbath on the 7th day and keeping it holy, and the warning in Leviticus, (the SAME book Christians cite to condemn homosexuality), chapter 11 verses 10-12 where God calls the eating of sewage-imbibing shellfish an ABOMNATION 4 times in 2 verses. Christians IGNORE & BREAK these just as much as any homosexual does with his 'verses.' What's good for the goose is good for gander. You can't preach it then break it yourself!! 🙃

@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 please distinguish between moral and ceremonial law, mosaic law and law under Christ. while keeping the sabbath is interpreted to be moral law by some due to its inclusion in the 10 commandments. However, note to look at Romans 14:5 and Colossians 2:16-17 in some denominations, Christ is thought of to be our sabbath rest. Restrictions like the one you mentioned about eating shellfish doesnt apply to christians as the church does not equate to the nation of Israel, same is the case for circumcision and sacrifice in galatians 3:23-25

@@hanselchua7969 Why don't YOU distinguish between moral and ceremonial law, mosaic law under Christ?! The word you read rendered into English as "law" has 5 Hebrew different words. They are not the same, plus the choice of the word "law" gives a very legalistic tone to it, whereas in the original language of the text it has the intrinsic meaning of "TEACHING," which means that Gentile denominational Christians claim not to be under God's TEACHING ("LAW"), as even the New Testament describes it as a SCHOOLMASTER, and schoolmasters are generally thought to be good in a moral society, not something that society would agree to do away with (plus Yeshua declared that He did not come to cancel out the "law" ("TEACHING") but to "fulfil," which means to keep the obligations of it to the nth degree, so fulfilling does not mean cancelling out. The word TORAH which is the most common word rendered as "law" in English, is related to the word MOREH/MORAH (M/F) which means TEACHER, and TORAH simply means TEACHING. This is seen in the naming of Mount Moriah as HAR MORI-YAH, or the Mountain of the LORD's Teaching, which was where the Temple was built, and where God TAUGHT Abraham a lesson concerning sacrificing his son Yitzhak ("Isaac") and where ultimately Yeshua taught in the Temple precincts, as the TEACHING of Yeshua is the SAME WORD as the word used for the OT "LAW" which is "TORAH," and which often gets translated as "doctrine" in some Bible versions. So if we reject the TORAH ("LAW"/"TEACHING") of God in the Old Testament just because it is termed "law" in English, then we must reject Yeshua's TEACHING/TORAH as it is the same word! There are NO SUCH TERMS in the Bible as MORAL LAW & CEREMONIAL LAW, as these are extra-Biblical man-made terms and get brought into conversations in an attempt to remove God's Law, but they are not in the Bible, and where they do occur, with some versions putting "ceremonial" concerning laws and clean and unclean animals etc, which is ADDED by men onto the Bible text in order to support their own doctrine, a thing that God warns people not to do. The Bible says that sin is a transgression of the Law. How do we define sin without God's Law? No wonder people come up with wrong conclusions on these things. One other word for "law" is "HOK" or "HUKKIM" in plural, which are rules and ordinances pertaining to the Temple and to BLOOD SACRIFICES, which the New Testament says have been nailed to the Tree, but that does not mean the Ten Commamdments of the Law of God or TORAH/TEACHING, only "HUKKIM." Yeshua said, "If you love Me, keep My Commamdments," and Yeshua rested on the Sabbath. The distinction between clean & unclean animals permitted to eat were cited by the Gentile Noah, long before there were any Jews or Israelites, and long before the "law" at Mount Sinai. The Bible says that Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Surely as a Gentile He should have refused to listen to God about those distinctions and tell Him that they are only for Israelites! Rather he boarded the UNCLEAN animals in TWOS purely for breeding purposes and the CLEAN animals in PAIRS OF SEVEN (14 animals) as they were needed in larger numbers for FOOD. If Noah had have been a denominational "Christian" he would have eaten the UNCLEAN animals and they would have been extinct now, but He was OBEDIENT, unlike LAW-LESS Christians today. If the unclean animals were "ceremonially" unclean, then this was God's great opportunity to wipe these "unclean" animals out, but they were called GOOD by God at creation, so they were not detestable in and of themselves, but because they were created with the express purpose of cleaning the planet as scavengers of any detritus, rotting carcases and even waste faeces (as pigs are known to do). Instead God kept them but instructed not to eat their flesh or even to touch their carcasses in some cases, due to high level of toxins in their flesh. Why you think this is not a law for mankind from the Noachide laws that pertain to Gentiles, and which Christians can ignore putting their own health and the health of others at risk, when even my college tutors when I was training to be a Hilton Chef taught me that PORK & SHELLFISH were "HIGH RISK" foods, whereas the Bible does not even describe them as "food." Also the doctors after my kidney transplant told me not to eat PORK or SHELLFISH due to the dangers it could pose for me, but denominational Christians say you can eat anything at all! The Law is called "Mosaic" because Moshe ("Moses") was the channel through which God delivered the written law ("TORAH"/"TEACHING"), but he was not the author of it. God was the Author, so more correctly it is GOD'S LAW or TORAH/TEACHING, and the "law under Christ" that you describe is simply the TEACHING /TORAH ("LAW") of the Messiah, and both are in vogue. It is only Gentile denominational Christians who disobey the New Testament by JUDGING OTHERS, when the Bible clearly warns NOT to judge anyone in food or drink (such as with eating clean animals according to the Scriptures), or in regard to a religious festival or "MOED," which is an "Appointed Time" set in place by God, such as Passover etc upon which day Yeshua was crucified, or concerning a NEW MOON, or Biblical 30-day lunar months in God's calendar, which are mentioned in the new heavens and new earth in Isaiah 66, and of course the SABBATH, which in the original text is singular, not "sabbaths," as there is only one Sabbath, apart from ANNUAL SABBATHS, such as the MOADIM or "Appointed Times," yet Gentile Christians still take me and others to task concerning these very things that the Bible tells us not to judge about! Yeshua had to be taken off the cross before the Passover ANNUAL SABBATH, which can fall on any day of the week, but most ASSUME that the text means the regular weekly Sabbath on what the Gentiles now call "Saturday" in honour of the god Saturn, but it was an ANNUAL SABBATH, as there were TWO SABBATHS or "rest days" the week of the crucifixion. This oversight has caused many Gentile readers including theologians to conclude a Friday-to-'Sun'-day equation, when the Scriptures tell us that this Sabbath was a "HIGH DAY," not an ordinary weekly Sabbath at all, as the Bible NOWHERE mentions "Friday," or the Sixth Day, but only the PREPARATION DAY, which was the day preceding the annual Sabbath of the First Day of Unleavened Bread, and that Sabbath on Nisan 15th can fall on any given day each year. It is this ASSUMPTION that has created the error that is "Sun"-day observance, when in fact Yeshua rose BEFORE the first visitors arrived at the EMPTY tomb very early on "Sun"-day. He was put in the tomb just before sunset, as all Biblical days begin and end at sunset, so according to His own prophetic words He would rise 3 days & 3 nights later (72 hours) JUST BEFORE SUNSET. The only point before the first visitors came (as no one saw Him rise on "Sun"-day morning) to fit that time frame would be JUST BEFORE SUNSET at the end of the weekly Sabbath JUST BEFORE the onset of the first day of the (working) week. This in no way contradicts anything and our salvation remains gloriously the same, but the Biblical timings are more fully brought out. Thus Yeshua is truly Lord of the SABBATH, but not of "Sun"-day at all, but few want to know. Count back 72 hours from this point and we arrive at WEDNESDAY for the Crucifixion Day instead of Friday, as is assumed, and the Resurrection Day on the SABBATH, not on "Sun"-day. This is a very serious error if the Church is teaching "Sun"-day as a verifiable fact, and the 36 hours from Fri to Sun instead of 72 with one full NIGHT MISSING makes Yeshua out to be a liar and a fraud. Do we trust the prophetic words of Yeshua, or ecclesiastical tradition and hearsay of others? Once the penny drops you will never view "Sun"-day in the same light again. SHABBAT SHALOM.

I haven't studied this, but I wonder if it explains why rape and murder are bad?

Amen. Wrong is now considered right. Keep your eyes open to digital currency. Once they have that in place, they will be able to set it up that you won’t be able to “buy or sell.”

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The West is done. Christianity falling is Western culture as a whole falling. In other words: we're fucked

Amen

YEP

And Apostate along with Welby and his bishop cronies

His heart is in the right place though

@@cinnamondan4984 What does that even mean?

@@Joe-uw5rv It means he may be wrong but his conviction is real.

@chrispark .. FYI - God does not show mercy to wilful apostates - this Rt. Rev. Dr (whatever) is already grieving the holy spirit by his misrepresentation of scripture - a serious offence in God's eyes. - Mark 3:29 Those that pray for mercy on behalf of apostates are sharers in their sin.

God be with you! Keep the faith.

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Amen

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Wow! This is a disgrace! Read the Bible, Matt 5:31 Jesus does speak of the only reason for divorce!

@@davidgrosvenor1 I guess he never read Romans 1.26; 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And many are mentioned without being recommended.

We have to remember the Bible in places is descriptive, not prescriptive.

@@SSEOG Isn't that his argument?

Benny Gundlach : Funny how men can have many partners, but women can't. Great equality! 🙃

Jesus never told us to condemn same sex love. I follow JESUS. Not man. RECENT DISCOVERY OF THE MISTRANSLATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE BIBLE The discovery in the early 1950s of the Dead Sea Scrolls has led to reevaluation of text in the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls are the actual 950 manuscripts of the original text of the Bible. To date, this is the closest proof we have of the original text. Most of what we relied on before was copies of copies of copies and interpretations sent down through the centuries. “The NRSV Updated Edition sets out to be the most literal translation of the Bible available to date with its clear use of unambiguous and unbiased language. The new version gives English Bible readers access to the most meticulously researched, rigorously reviewed, and faithfully accurate translation on the market done by dozens of Biblical Scholars. It is also the most ecumenical Bible with acceptance by Christian churches of Protestant, Anglican, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, African American, and Evangelical traditions.” To prevent any claim of bias, each book in the Bible was assigned a different group of biblical scholars. If the entire group agreed that there needed to be corrections, it was sent to the editorial board where it could be either rejected, excepted, or modified. Therefore, being put through a very strenuous process.

God says it is and it is, He miraculously removed my same sex attraction from me.

It’s so sad. 😞 People are so desperate for acceptance and love they are willing to live a lie, saying they have been changed so people will love them. But the fact remains no one, none of us, can change our sexuality. This is the way God made them. Of the more than 90% of people that have tried, having prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed….never changed. Of the 10% that say that they have changed, they admit years, even decades, later that it was a lie.🥲 And not only their lives are destroyed because of the lies, but the spouses/children as well.

Here I am years later, still no attraction to the same sex😊🙏. God is great, Jesus healed my heart of hate, resentment and absolute fury for those who abused me which turned me into a monster who lost everything as well, in fact God replaced them with His love, a love that surpasses all understanding, it's described briefly in 1 Corinthians 13, I managed to have about 5 good years with my Dad before he passed. 1. Saving my soul, 2. Removal of same sex attraction, 3. Removal of life destroying hate resentment and absolute fury and replaced with perfect love 4. Drawn through thanksgiving to help others who suffer in life, particularly the way I did. 5.Thankful for all the problems I had so God could use them for His glory

​@@Dante-vf4sd Glory to God. Glory to God. Glory to God. Be filled with the Holy Spirit my friend. Acts 2:38-39. Luke 11:13.

Collins : And the paedophile priests too. No one here in Ireland trusts them anymore. 🤯

Unless you physically have seen God you have no idea 😂

I think they know pretty well what they do

Desyduk UK : And He DOES forgive!

​@@joe7626we have a very good idea from the Bible how God describes himself. Who on earth are we to question that?

@@peterwallis4288 The Bible was written by men. I’m not gonna persecute people that doesn’t make any sense because some man wrote it in a book. I don’t follow others that easily.

"Bishop", like "Pastor", like "Apostle", like "Teacher", WAS NEVER, IS NEVER A TITLE. It is a calling, a function, a job description given by God. God never bestowed titles on any New Testament servant of His.

Signs of the Times....sodomy, thuggery, buggery, beastiality, blasphemy....Heaven knows....anything goes !

@@chrisbrown8640 It - the FILTH will all have a sudden end. The King of Heaven is coming.

Exactly. Pedophiles will just say, "It's not my choice; it's the way I'm made, so I must be allowed to act on my feelings."

@@jennyyates8798 Isn't that what the Pope is trying to say about paedophiles?

It's not my choice that I suffer from anger, but it's still a sin I need to repent from.

These are not sexual orientations they are sexual proclivities

He really botched Paul’s work

The Wrong "Reverend" John Inge. 🤡

So God created these humans as homosexual just so he could punish them for thier sins? What a kind and just creature he is.

​​@@paulwilliams1050 God created us He didn't make us homosexual It's us who CHOSE to be God specifically said it's an Abomination He created Man and Woman (Adam and Eve) not Adam and Steve He sent his Son Jesus to die for our sins That whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life

@@AssassinWarrior99 Try reading another book you bigoted fool.

​​​​​​​​​​​@@paulwilliams1050 God allowed sin to enter the world, allowing men to have free will to choose good or bad... free will at its best here. There's satan if you want to follow satan too. God is clear however, on what the consequences are if we choose to do something that He has stated as wrong, whether we like it or not. For example 'committing adultery'...there are consequences to it. If there are no consequences, then how can justice exist. Humans in their nature from the beginning can be potentially lustful, gay, angry, greedy, hateful...you even have to teach a toddler to share and be nice to others. You can be born with certain desires, but doesn't mean you can blame God for everything you choose to do/be later in life...that's someone not taking responsibilities for their own actions. It's like saying "Oh I have anger problems in my genes, therefore it's God's fault for allowing such a nature in me, therefore I can go on being angry at my children and everyone." Religion doesn't work this way. Being gay in nature is fine, it is when you choose/take action to have sexual relationships with another same-sex person that it is a sin (homosexuality). For Christians, God is the judge and God is the one setting the rules. If you don't like that idea, you want to be your own god and religion is not for you. Our lives are not meant to be perfect...life on earth is just an extremely short snippit of a much bigger picture. You are born with nothing, you die and take nothing with you. There is the perfect place of 'new heaven new earth/new jerusalem', where there is no suffering but pure goodness only. This is what Christians should be preparing for. A Christian should know that life is not about being successful in your career and getting married only... it's something else much much bigger than this.

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Amen

Leon Johnson : How many "thousands of years" have the Christian "denominations" existed for? 🤔

@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 Catholicism is 2 thousand years old. The Orthodox schism happened in 1054 and the Protestant Reformation happened in the 1500s.

You have a good point of view but there is a fact that is wrong. Martin Lutero was the first protestant of the Catholic(=universal) church and it not has been thousands of years of it. Only a couple of hundreds years. But you are right in your meaning of your message.

Well stated. Just one comment. RC Sproul once replied to a similar statement regarding the sin vs. the sinner argument. He replied "it's not the sin that is cast into the pit, but the sinner. Biblically, that's accurate by choice. Read Romans 1.

Underrated comment

Good answer ! Superb !!

Amen amen amen well said.

Amen

Wow, great advice! I'm reading my first Bonhoeffer book now: "Christ the Center". Looking at the state of Christianity today, it is hard to believe his lectures were less than 100 years ago. I was thinking about how Bonheoffer would respond when I was listening to Alan Wilson's cringy description of Christ's marriage to the Church.

@@pistol3333 I would recommend reading Bonhoeffer's The Cost of Discipleship when you can - its simply one of the greatest books ever written. I'll be sure to read the book you just mentioned soon! :)

It’s the war between religions that are causing thousands to die every day. Let people believe what they want and live in peace.

@@joe7626 Will you please leave me in peace and let me believe what I want to believe?

Absolutely. The point also made by Calvin Robinson in his address.

Exactly! Blinded by sin .

@@Mumima100 it's shocking and tragically sad

Couldn't agree better

It wasn’t debated in Australia. It was amazing to witness actually. The entire nation ‘discussed’ the issue non-stop for over a year, but didn’t debate the issue seriously once.

@@dribblesg2 it's not meant to be debated seriously. The media cover these issues like a debate, to keep up the appearance of free and open civil society, but there's always a bias in favour of the "progressive" position, which is also the position the political establishment supports by default.

Mr.CoolMug : It is disestablished in Ireland. That move caused one of the longest words in the English languages to be created, namely: ANTIDISESTABLISHMENTARIANISM! Maybe some antidisestablishmentarians would disagree with you. 🙃

Is that true though?

I don’t know exactly how true that is. But nevertheless we already know there’s been plenty of them throughout history that have been called come out or have been caught that are. Also a fair amount that are pedophiles.

@@doctor1alex A recent book ,' In The Closet of The Vatican ' research over a number of years interviewing priests calculated around 80% were gay

Iain Rae : Even married ones. 🙃

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Come home to your brothers and sisters in the Catholic Church! We are one 🙏🏻

The West is dying because there is no God in the Catholic Church or in the Protestant churches, but only in Orthodox Christianity is the Grace of God present! The Orthodox Church went through the communist ordeal of the last century and despite all this the churches are not only full but are continuously being built

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He wishes to follow the world. Why is he even in the church? Simply to destroy it. It's very sad that Worcester Cathedral has long been the church of satan.

Amen 🙏🏻

Joy Caroll : That's why we have "Sun"-day observance instead of the commanded Sabbath of the LORD and the Roman "Easter" in place of the ordained Passover of the LORD, all of man, not God.

Ian Smith : Where's the Bible verse saying that marriage is a "holy sacrament" - or is that only a msn-made term not found anywhere in Scripture, but bandied about by people regardless? 🤔

how do you based your criteria of what is morally right or wrong without basing it in religous perspective?

@@lolololgii754 Exactly my point. Thank you.

@@lolololgii754 Which "religious perspective" would that be?

One of them; probably more coming

And why are they depressed and mentally ill? Because hard-hearted "Christian" have shut them out from the grace of God on the ground of their sexuality. They don't, do this to gossips or gluttons, or the lazy or argumentative it's just gay people that get this abuse,.

​@@neilmccall5311they are not shut out. They are welcomed. They cannit, however, get married.

Jude 1:16 -1:19 16: These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage. 17: But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18: How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19: These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

2 Timothy 3 1: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy. 3: Without natural affection, true breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4: Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, from such turn away. 6: For if this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive women laden with sins, led away with diverse lusts. 7: Ever learning, and never able to the knowledge of truth. 8: nNow as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth, men of corrupt minds reprobate concerning the faith, 9: But they shall proceed no further, for their folly shall manifest unto all men, as theirs also was, 10:But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long suffering, charity, patience, 11:Persecutions, afflictions,, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra, what persecution’s I endured: but out of them all, the Lord delivered me. 12: Yea, all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14: But continue thou in the things which thou hasty learned, and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou has learned them, 15: And that from a child, thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Be strong my brothers and sisters in the Lord.

I’m very suspicious of your motivation which shows obsequiousness to your desire nay Jesus-Christ’s will. In facf, we , the followers of Christ are not allowed to be conformed with the value of this century. Are you born again ?

My comment was meant in ironical way, as a satire, that’s how ridiculous the speech of a bishop I consider. Of course I agree with you yes I’m Born again, thank you Brother

@@yoannnimaga9810 Ever heard of a joke?

And initially, it was other scientists, rather than churchmen, who opposed Darwin's theory!

@@jennyyates8798 It's true that some prominent scientists weren't convinced by Darwin, (but of course many churchmen opposed him as well). However, my point isn't about the plausibility, or implausibility, of evolution... Rather I'm saying it's sad and astonishing to hear a bishop repeating digs against Christianity, digs that were satisfactorily answered ages ago.

Then don't be a Christian. Its not just what Paul wrote either. It is condemned in Leviticus..Jesus then reiterates that sexual immorality is serious in the sermon on the mount. He must be referring back to the Old Testament laws. What else would he be talking about?

Yeah. Pretty much.

Not everyone follows Christianity.

Tita : Yes, paedophile clergy.