Rotary Milling without a rotary table

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oxtoolco

4 жыл бұрын

In this video we show two ways to do a small rotary milling job without the aide of a rotary table. You get to see a Harig Grind-all in action and also a very simple way to use common shop tools to do this small plastic part. The part is made from ABS and is a replacement for a lost battery cover for a digital timer I happen to like a lot. This particular part presents some work holding challenges as it is fairly small and delicate. With a part like this its important to think about your operation sequence and how you will hold and register the part for each operation.

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@Preso58
@Preso58 4 жыл бұрын
I love that you fixed these timers and didn't just throw them away. When the zombie apocalypse happens I want to be on your side. Regards, Mark Presling, Queensland, Australia
@highpwr
@highpwr 4 жыл бұрын
"If you don't HAVE to eyeball something, why eyeball it, right?" I'm with you 100% on that one Tom. Let them eat cake. 😏 I had a very similar plastic bayonet type fastener for my car that held a brake light cover in place. The fastener is no longer available (obsolete) because of its age. After it broke I machined a new one from a piece of brass bar. That part will outlive the rest of the vehicle now.
@mikeyoung7241
@mikeyoung7241 4 жыл бұрын
3/4" ABS rod that's only 4 or 5 thousandths out of round is rare. I always buy at least an eighth inch of extra diameter and always turn it round. I've got a chunk of 1.25" clear acrylic on my desk that measures almost a hundred thou out of round. And yes, I want one of those Harig Grind-alls! Good stuff Tom. Thanks!
@jonahbrame7874
@jonahbrame7874 4 жыл бұрын
I never understood why v blocks had those grooves on the sides. Now I know. This is exactly the kind of stuff that I love your channel for. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us! (Also, thanks for blueing up that first one. It did make it way easier to see what was happening.)
@angelramos-2005
@angelramos-2005 Жыл бұрын
Very successful experiment,Tom.Thank you.
@tinkermouse-scottrussell3738
@tinkermouse-scottrussell3738 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I was schooled by this one Mr. Ox thank you for taking the time to share this with us. Play Safe From Elliot Lake Ontario Canada.
@msquared6324
@msquared6324 4 жыл бұрын
This is some good stuff. If we get meatloaf on Mondays this is like steak Fridays! Also it makes me feel better that I'm not the only one that uses $10,000 in machine tools to make a $.10 part.
@royreynolds108
@royreynolds108 4 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? IF you could contact the manufacturer, they would want at least $2 or $3 or more for that part.
@PaulSteMarie
@PaulSteMarie 4 жыл бұрын
@@royreynolds108 Most of that would be postage and the time spent packing and shipping the order. I'm sure the actual cost of manufacture is under a penny. The factory probably ships them in fifty pound sacks or some such.
@andyb9124
@andyb9124 4 жыл бұрын
@@royreynolds108 A piece of duct tape costs much less than a dime. :) Also wow, looked up the timer itself, because I was going to poke fun of fixing a $5 timer with same $10k in tooling, nevermind the time. Damn things are $45 if you find them on sale (!) Complaint retracted! (That said, there's other timers down in the $5 range that do the same job--but we all know that there's a tendancy to get what you pay for [hopefully!!] when buying tools for the shop, be they for cutting, measuring, or whatever else.)
@highpwr
@highpwr 4 жыл бұрын
@@andyb9124 I have had a couple of these timers myself for years. They still work and still have their battery covers. Not saying that I didn't ALMOST lose them a couple of times though. 😄 $14 these days - www.champchoice.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetailOptions&item=CL098
@mikemarriam
@mikemarriam 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tutorials Tom.
@artt3165
@artt3165 4 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year, Tom. Guys who can repair things are a strange breed. We're the only people I know who will justify using two thousand dollars worth of tools and say one hundred dollars worth of labor to make a two cent part to repair a ten dollar timer ...........LOL Between that, the constant drive to collect tools, and our incessant need to do things accurately, I think we deserve our own special page in the DSM V. But we all do it for the love of a challenge.
@jolllyroger1
@jolllyroger1 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah like that one time I spent 3 hours making a barrel for a carburetor for a radio control airplane engine just so I could fly tomorrow instead if waiting until next weekend.... or when I spent like 70 hours casting a block and milling out a radio control airplane engine just to do it.... when I could have bought one for 50 bucks .... or when I built that jet engine in my garage just because hey I wanted a jet engine to play with.... funny thing is my friends were not impressed with the rc engine but the jet they were ....guess it was the roar that made the impression .....lol.... how about that week I spent building a ship in a bottle .....
@railgap
@railgap 3 жыл бұрын
A few years back a neighbor (and boy do I miss him his replacement is a grade-a asshat) brought me a garden rake to repair (I noticed it was busted and told him to please bring it to me the next weekend). He had not been in my shop before, so we chatted about this and that while I fixed his rake. It involved drilling a new hole for a bolt and one little weld. It was more convenient to drill the hole on the mill because I had something set up on the drill press. So my neighbor makes a friendly wisecrack asking how many thousands of dollars of equipment did I just use to fix his garden rake... I said I used it because I had it handy, but then I made a point of showing him how he could have fixed it - for life - using literally bailing wire, epoxy, and a hand drill he already owns... he said, "I would not have thought of that!" I asked him, "did you try?" Then we had to have a conversation about why I have bailing wire and epoxy lying around and he doesn't. In the end, it's what you'd expect: I _want_ to fix things. I _like_ fixing things. He doesn't. The end.
@railgap
@railgap 3 жыл бұрын
@@jolllyroger1 funny how the same folks who see all of that as a waste of time are the same ones asking us to fix their shit when it breaks. :/ I look at them and I have to bite back the question, "why do you even have opposable thumbs?"
@dipi71
@dipi71 4 жыл бұрын
Way better than the fixating-the-battery-in-situ-via-hot-snot way. Cheers!
@guykulwanoski1629
@guykulwanoski1629 4 жыл бұрын
Love your project vids! hope to many more in the year ahead. Thank you for bringing us along.
@denny9931
@denny9931 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing! Came at the right time for me.
@christurley391
@christurley391 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Tom.
@Dans-hobbies
@Dans-hobbies 4 жыл бұрын
The stops on the gind-all are a really clever design. I've been kicking around the idea of making a ball turner for years, and adding stops like that would be a really nice feature .
@ls2005019227
@ls2005019227 4 жыл бұрын
These are the types of videos that I can literally feel my brain expanding.....Thanks Ox Tom!!
@goldenhazeduster
@goldenhazeduster 4 жыл бұрын
All kinds of stuff to pick up on.
@jamesstanlake4064
@jamesstanlake4064 4 жыл бұрын
This is why I love or enjoy a Bromance with Tom Lipton, you can and will always learn something new from a different perspective.
@nowayjerk8064
@nowayjerk8064 4 жыл бұрын
im to shy to admit my man crush,luckily for tom cos i have projects...... lol
@larry_g9262
@larry_g9262 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your good works
@cobhmanwelder4760
@cobhmanwelder4760 4 жыл бұрын
excellent, this could probably be done on a drill press with a mill in the collet chuck on plastic. for those of us who have not found the right mill yet. love the videos mate.
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
That was very interesting and you capped that one off just right. Thanks for the video.
@motor1395
@motor1395 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tom!! Interesting seeing what can be done with some ingenuity and thinking a problem through. I hope you have a healthy, prosperous and happy New Year!! All the best, Norm in Arizona
@markfulmer8501
@markfulmer8501 4 жыл бұрын
great video Tom- I enjoyed seeing 2 different methods thanks
@billbrennan8405
@billbrennan8405 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom great trick using the Harig Grinding fixture for use in a vertical position. Look forward to pulling this trick out on a project.
@mtslyh
@mtslyh 4 жыл бұрын
Good stuff! Very timely for me. I have a part that I need to make which is very similar. Thanks for sharing your techniques.
@budgenatorP
@budgenatorP 4 жыл бұрын
1 hour of shop time to fix a $5.00 timer, Tom you rock!
@DormantIdeasNIQ
@DormantIdeasNIQ Жыл бұрын
an amusing tone you got... cool video.
@andyZ3500s
@andyZ3500s 4 жыл бұрын
There was alot of information in this video. All helpful stuff. That little vice you made was interesting I would like to see it in a future video.
@AtelierDBurgoyne
@AtelierDBurgoyne 4 жыл бұрын
The little vise appears really nicely made, like everything Tom makes. Looks like an assembly of precision hardened bars and an interesting nut arrangement. I do not remember seeing a video explaining how this was made but with close to a thousand Oxtool vids, hard to have watched everything. Daniel
@mickmurphy6321
@mickmurphy6321 4 жыл бұрын
It's great to see your work. That small vise you use in the last few minutes of this project looks really interesting. It looks like a great little project. I think it is worth a few minutes of inspection in a Meatloaf episode. Thanks for your work Cheers Mick
@c00lamah
@c00lamah 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Tom, you sure do cover a huge spectrum of engineering. At 62 years of age you have helped inspire me to buy a small lathe and mill, it sure is nice to see you helping the little guy along with these alternate ways of going about things. love the little hand vice, how about a couple of vids on making one? THANK you for what you do. You do it well.
@CH-py8zv
@CH-py8zv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, you just solved my problem on how to make a tool to remove a recessed screw.
@onecrisde
@onecrisde 4 жыл бұрын
I dig that little Tom Lipton vise with the brass ways! Pretty slick!!
@Finding_K_Factor
@Finding_K_Factor 3 жыл бұрын
Wonder if Tom would do a video on making one of those or post some prints. That is a sweet vise.
@TomMakeHere
@TomMakeHere 4 жыл бұрын
Indicating the touchoff of that keyseat cutter was clever I'll have to do that with my slitting saws. Thanks Tom
@davesullivan9848
@davesullivan9848 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I will now be ordering a rotary table.
@bigmotter001
@bigmotter001 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video with some great tips. You continue to impress your followers! Thanks for the time and effort you put into your videos and take care!
@ianbertenshaw4350
@ianbertenshaw4350 4 жыл бұрын
The display comes on when you put the battery in - no kidding 😂 You have the coolest tools Tom !
@cdorcey1735
@cdorcey1735 4 жыл бұрын
Not having a mill in my shop, I did a similar task with a tool-post grinder on the lathe. Necessity is the mother of invention.
@outsidescrewball
@outsidescrewball 4 жыл бұрын
enjoyed the discussion/lessons
@merlinmagnus873
@merlinmagnus873 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom for showing that HTC slim-fit collet extension. I had been needing something like that and didn't know it existed. Just order one. Thanks for showing the make and model number.
@bigun447
@bigun447 4 жыл бұрын
I cheat. I always look at battery caps and if they look too easy to come off I simply put a piece of clear packaging tape across them.
@MrMichaeljab
@MrMichaeljab 4 жыл бұрын
That's not cheating, that's just being smart! I tape mine all the time.
@aserta
@aserta 4 жыл бұрын
I just add a dab of superglue to the tabs, that way, it's far more difficult to open them.
@railgap
@railgap 3 жыл бұрын
for certain joints and fastenings, another favorite dodge of mine is to use a tiny dab of silicone (RTV) rubber. It seems to have just the right combination of durability and removability. (fun fact: a friend of mine once rang up Dow's (or maybe GE, not sure) application engineers to ask if they knew of a solvent for cured silicone rubber. The smartass on the other end said, "sure! we call it a razor blade!" (the other option is super-heated silane gas, which you don't want to be in the same county with, let alone actually using yourself for anything - you need a space suit) - sigh, what a love-hate relationship we have with that stuff.
@rlsimpso
@rlsimpso 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. At first I thought the non-expensive method would use a spin indexer. I was way off. Your method was more simple and as effective. I will try that trick of setting the cutter height the next time I have a think tool like that.
@billdlv
@billdlv 4 жыл бұрын
Great tip(s) Tom. At the old job we had several VWR timers, they had a magnet on the back and had 2 separate countdown/elapsed timers. Very useful in the lab, but yours look better with the full numeric keypad. The ones we had just had an up/down button. Good stuff.
@highpwr
@highpwr 4 жыл бұрын
Only a single timer (just like Tom's) but only $14 as well. 😉 www.champchoice.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetailOptions&item=CL098
@grntitan1
@grntitan1 4 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you didn't make the cover a Torx drive. LOL Seriously, great idea with the test indicator reading the tool deflection. I actually have 5 parts that require a slit from a 0.010" thick jewelers slitting saw. I'll be using your method. Perfect timing....
@crcarlsonUT
@crcarlsonUT 4 жыл бұрын
That is a great little machinist vise. It would be neat to hear your design thinking and see how it is put together.
@richardgregory6653
@richardgregory6653 4 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year from the right coast
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 4 жыл бұрын
Very useful thanks for sharing
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 4 жыл бұрын
I actually didn't see how you were going to do both sides on the harrig. When you just stepped over and reversed it I was like duh! Thanks I learned something!
@jeffryblackmon4846
@jeffryblackmon4846 4 жыл бұрын
I also picked up on that. Very cool operation, Tom. Thank you.
@gerritstijvers7690
@gerritstijvers7690 4 жыл бұрын
Happy new year to you. And I think you cut the trailing edge and not the leading edge but it works. Always nice to se you pop up in the list of new uploads. Thank you for doing this all I learned a lot from you
@tced2858
@tced2858 4 жыл бұрын
great video....
@brucewilliams6292
@brucewilliams6292 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping in mind we don't all have the fancy stuff!
@glennfelpel9785
@glennfelpel9785 4 жыл бұрын
Really nice techniques you teach us. Thank you much! And Happy New Year to you.
@fliptrontube
@fliptrontube 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom for introducing another toy to buy and a way to avoid buying it. Wishing you a Happy New Year!!
@arnoldsmachinetool4632
@arnoldsmachinetool4632 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Packed full of great information & laughter. ( before you can laugh at others, you must be able to laugh at yourself first ) From totally left field, I picked up two pairs of T/C Micro Suture Tying Forceps 7" With Platform GERMAN Surgical Instruments. I don't know how to get along with out them now. Thank you and cheers for the new year.
@MrFrankRocco
@MrFrankRocco 4 жыл бұрын
Love the content, i learned some tips. Personally, i'd fix that with a piece of tape. Thank you for posting.
@James-fs4rn
@James-fs4rn 4 жыл бұрын
👍 Happy New year Tom! Thanks for sharing. I think there's value in seeing the math behind the set-ups as well if possible.
@imagineaworld
@imagineaworld 4 жыл бұрын
We loooove long vids man. Just good stuff to have on while i study and tinker. Learn while you learn or youre wasting time :)
@ROBRENZ
@ROBRENZ 4 жыл бұрын
Nicely done Tom! ATB, Robin
@aeroearth
@aeroearth 4 жыл бұрын
Good to watch! ABS is a good general purpose plastic though attacked by solvents as it is basically rubberised polystyrene. Could use nylon but that burrs badly when cutting making deburring a "challenge". I use Delrin (acetal) a lot for machined small plastic parts. Machines very well and what burrs there are can be easily removed by scalpel though I like your fine steel wool and Scotch Brite ideas, must try that. For the slot I would have left the part on the bar and held horizontally in my rotary table chuck or maybe the Mill vice. Then parted part off the bar and depip to complete. Timer casing likely doesn't have an "over center" feature to lock the bayonet tabs which is likely why the covers get lost. Could wad punch a 1/64" (0.4mm) rubber sheet washer and adjust the cover dimensions to compress the washer by say 0.005". Rubber will also grab case and cover.
@e.d.s.inc.shandon9133
@e.d.s.inc.shandon9133 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks nice little project with a lot of good content.
@craigs5212
@craigs5212 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I like the grinding fixture. Dead simple solution: just put the battery in hold it down until a couple dabs of hot snot glue sets. Just pick out the glue to replace the battery, of course you most likely lost the entire unit by then anyway.
@jtkilroy
@jtkilroy 4 жыл бұрын
Most of the ABS, in rod, is curved like a bow for me. That grinding jig is a nice piece. Happy new year Tom.
@swanvalleymachineshop
@swanvalleymachineshop 4 жыл бұрын
The grinding fixture is giving me a woody , i think i will have to make one ! Cheers .
@joecnc3341
@joecnc3341 3 жыл бұрын
Liker-Subscriber-Notifier Here. I love the way that you explain things, Tom. A lot of machinists are arrogant and egotistical - you are definitely not.. and you are a great educator.
@Paddington60
@Paddington60 4 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year and well done Tom
@EmmaRitson
@EmmaRitson 4 жыл бұрын
awesome!!
@TheAmpair
@TheAmpair 4 жыл бұрын
A few days ago that could have capped off 2019 nicely . . .;-)
@robertcorrie6737
@robertcorrie6737 4 жыл бұрын
This is not machine shop work it’s form a hidden lab under a mountain. Excellent work and content Thanks
@krazziee2000
@krazziee2000 4 жыл бұрын
very cool . Happy New Year,,, good to see you again,, I needed my Ox fixx .. lol..
@FredFred-wy9jw
@FredFred-wy9jw 4 жыл бұрын
You have completely defeated the manufacturer’s planned obsolescence... more of this will destroy our economy.... (-; .... please keep it up I learn a lot from your videos
@geraldguyette470
@geraldguyette470 4 жыл бұрын
Tom you got me talking to the screen , push the stop button Tom , no the other stop button, there ya go! Good project, I learn by watching. Thanks...
@richardscott6716
@richardscott6716 4 жыл бұрын
Good vid. Happy New Year, Tom. ATB.
@Smallathe
@Smallathe 4 жыл бұрын
Obviously the time and effort not to mention the electricity (power tools, lights, camera) cost a lot more than a new timer... :) But it's a LOVELY demonstration of small scale work. Loved it!!!
@aearles7
@aearles7 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another informative and interesting video. Happy New Year and thanks for the edu-tainment. (Would love to see some more project builds - the Wilton baby-bullet vice build is still one of the best series on KZfaq!) - Maybe a “play along at home” series on making simple tools such as squares, dividers, spring loaded centre punches, machinist jacks, drifts etc... really simple, easy things for beginners (like me).
@FesixGermany
@FesixGermany 4 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year to you Tom. Ever heard of 3D printing? Jokes aside, I like how you present these problems a machinist has to face every now and then.
@aserta
@aserta 4 жыл бұрын
I think Tom doesn't like 3D printing.
@merlinmagnus873
@merlinmagnus873 4 жыл бұрын
I think those little tiny tabs would break right off if that was 3D printed.
@TheTsunamijuan
@TheTsunamijuan 4 жыл бұрын
@@merlinmagnus873 You can print them, You just generally need to slow down your print speeds to have the area cool correctly and not warp/expand. You might need to add some support even. I rather appreciate Tom's more traditional approach to things. While I have a lot of cad and 3d design experience. I don't have crap for machining experience. Once you understand the way a manual machinist approaches a problem. it certainly helps you create better parts that have a lower chance of complete failure. After all thats part of the reason Tom shares his knowledge with all of us.
@3dartstudio007
@3dartstudio007 4 жыл бұрын
I was about to ask if this was a commercial for 3D printing. I'd ONLY go this trouble if the part had to be metal. Love the tips and tricks though. Cheers!
@txm100
@txm100 3 жыл бұрын
'Rotary Milling without a rotary table but with something that is more expensive than a rotary table' :D
@63256325N
@63256325N 4 жыл бұрын
Well done. I always referred to those caps as ...."goddamnits"... being that's usually the first words uttered when dropped and ultimately lost. 😁 Thanks for the video.
@PaulSteMarie
@PaulSteMarie 4 жыл бұрын
Close cousins to jeezluss clips 🤣
@swojto2598
@swojto2598 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the 3D printer option.
@martin_mue
@martin_mue 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, the Hard Rock intro is back.
@chuckels431
@chuckels431 4 жыл бұрын
Happy new year Tom, looks like you might have the lead in on the trailing edge of the lugs.
@billchiasson2019
@billchiasson2019 4 жыл бұрын
Happy New year Tom, great video very informative! Have you discussed that little vise before? My self and Mr Pete, I to have a vise fetish! Thanks for all you do!.
@MoraFermi
@MoraFermi 4 жыл бұрын
This would be an ideal project for an SLA (or mSLA) printer!
@RRINTHESHOP
@RRINTHESHOP 4 жыл бұрын
Yep 3D print it. People say I have to much time on my hands. Wo. Happy New Year Tom.
@jeffanderson1653
@jeffanderson1653 4 жыл бұрын
I would never had thought it possible to make that part with our machine tools. 3D printer maybe? Anyway, well done, I enjoyed every minute.
@stevearoony2774
@stevearoony2774 3 жыл бұрын
$500 battery door lol I love it
@garys9694
@garys9694 4 жыл бұрын
I'm an old tool & die guy but I would use my timer app on my phone, I guess I just look for the easy way at my age!
@larryshaw6517
@larryshaw6517 4 жыл бұрын
I liked the new tool, a little big for my watchmakers lathe but fun anyway.
@Robonthemoor
@Robonthemoor 4 жыл бұрын
Who would of thought it” Tom👍
@AWDJRforYouTube
@AWDJRforYouTube 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Tom you should make a video about that double ended fixture plate weldment @16:09 at some point if you haven't already...very handy workholding device!
@DonStinger
@DonStinger 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video Tom. Now I need this grinding fixture too :) I think you cut the lead in angles on the bajonet on the wrong side.
@telecrate
@telecrate 4 жыл бұрын
Great techniques shown, though in this particular instance this could probably be a quick 30min 3D design+printing job.
@davidwootton683
@davidwootton683 4 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year Tom, And many thanks for the videos. I looked up the price !! US$ 3,658.20. Kind regards and greetings from Africa.
@AnatoFIN
@AnatoFIN 4 жыл бұрын
I would definitely have done it right like you did, I would "just use" tape while I "waited" ABS-rod to arrive... ;-)
@melgross
@melgross 3 жыл бұрын
This is one part that it would never have occurred to me to make. I think it’s a coin slot. I’m not sure which one, but it used to be for dimes.
@cannon440
@cannon440 4 жыл бұрын
OMG that "expensive " fixture cost $205.00 per pound! It weighs 17 pounds. Tom you always come up with "fantastical" new tooling. At least new to me. I like that shop made vise.
@TheAndy331
@TheAndy331 4 жыл бұрын
Clearly he likes the challenge
@robertmatel8136
@robertmatel8136 4 жыл бұрын
No files were harmed during this project! Tom, now teach me how to do it when I don't have a DRO.
@risfutile
@risfutile 4 жыл бұрын
easy, step1: buy a DRO, you know you need it!
@hughmac13
@hughmac13 4 жыл бұрын
Tom, did you make that nice-looking indicator dovetail on the back end of the Interapid?
@dangerrangerlstc
@dangerrangerlstc 4 жыл бұрын
"Instrument of hammerage". Another Oxism. I might use that now
@vatsalparmar317
@vatsalparmar317 4 жыл бұрын
It is interesting so much skill and dedication went into that battery cover. I would have just stuffed the space with paper and used tape to hold it in there. It sure will look ugly but i am lazy so im okay with the tape.
@royreynolds108
@royreynolds108 4 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up!
@willjosephson
@willjosephson 4 жыл бұрын
It's like shooting flies with a .45. The aim's a little tricky, but it sure takes care of the flies!
@gasparini76
@gasparini76 4 жыл бұрын
large masking tape can hold the lid in place. It seems any small impact can unlock the little piece.
@troyam6607
@troyam6607 4 жыл бұрын
"an instrument of hammerage" put this on a shirt please! :D
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