Thank you for making this guide and it really sucks that you feel the need to justify making these videos :(

no need to justify! everyone love ur videos so keep it up!

Hector, there might be a problem with webwall-making composition. In all of our static pulls we never had 2 web dps in single set. It was always H H D in first set and T T D in second. I really not sure what is going on with this fight random.

if 14:27 is south cleaves. why not also the very first cleave too?

Hay Hector! thanks for the awesome guides! will you get a guide out for the 11th circle?

Glad you're having fun! Good luck in the tier :)

Love that! Keep going gogogoggo

Grats on your first raid tier, always a memorable time!

Always nice to see more and more players having fun with raiding. Imagine how it feels to clear your first ultimate :D There is a lot of time until 7.0 so maybe you can convince your static for it :P

how did you like it? did you clear? :D i found it to be an absolute fight 10/10 for me personally loved it

This is excellent advice!

What I don’t understand with this trick is; let’s say it’s the “cursed pattern” with both healer turrets in NW so tanks have to get knocked SE… I understand the tank taking the right turret could position off center to get knocked SE, but if the tank taking the left turret tries to stand more east to get knocked in that direction, won’t he end up eating the beam from both turrets ?

@@lorke16 with snapshotting that seems not to happen, but I could be wrong

@@debrucey when I visualize it in my head it would seem like either the left tank eats 2 beams or leaves his partner to take a beam solo… but I don’t play tank so idk. I think this is like a neat trick to know in case things go south, but ideal is still to just aim the turret properly

Assuming your baiters shooting them straight north/south correctly + the beam size is about half of the square, so you should have at least half of the square (that's plenty) to position yourself as a tank to get knockbacked diagonally.

It's so annoying when PF claims a strat is braindead and refuses to learn later, actually braindead strats

@@tatersalad76 *cough Ilya light rampant and Happy brambles*

why would you say something so controversial yet so right

PF and the P1S tank takes a damage down "strat". Literally had R1s saying DD is the strat and they dont want to learn how to adjust so i would make them adjust or wipe sure i got blacklisted a tad but ultimately im better than them at the game

As a former WoW player/Raid lead I would like to point out this is an MMO Issue.. but you right.

After reading your comment I started doing it and it has worked out very nicely for me

You just need one Faint because HH is a casted action.

​@@noel7769 on logs they show as multiple separate "casts" so I'm quite sure you have to keep it up

A fight that loves PLD and WAR in other words, also worth setting up a Reprisal order for tanks as well I'd say

awful, don't do it.

amazing, do it

Equally as viable, do it if you please.

@@Dwesk Literally the same. and also more consistent. PF NEEDS consistency or things are going to get much more painful, trust me.

@@AstrumKitten091 agreed here, makes it way less likely to accidently clip the stacks

Good shout with the ABC markers! I'll give this a try next raid!

Agreed on E/W wings. Very consistent for PF and still full uptime

You dont swap towers though..? Just go to the same tower each time there's no vuln or anything

​@Visha they mean the group 2 tank takes the left tower instead of the right one like they would in most fights. This makes it so T2 is on the right side for the tower mech and on the east platform, and vice versa for T1.

@@dokimoeraveparty Yah man, I keep saying it. It's so tight and scary, and in PF people will always clip, while 2 platform causes 1-2 wipes in a lockout at worst. I'll actively look for groups with 2 platforms, the 1 platform in PF is way too meemy. Argument for it are bad too, less movement? for what? it's full uptime for melees anyway, yah you do have to make your 2 min moving there, but I prefer that instead of micro-adjusting at the end of 2 mins. Also for a class like blm which might really matter how they plan movement, you can put him on a fixed non platform adjusting position, and it's going to be easier for him to move after too. Also the "healing" part is bad argument, the mechanic is literally made so that you survive both hits with no issue, the raidwide after comes a lot later. It's just a really horrific strat.

I'd like to be optimistic, but I don't think my guide will change this. Turrets and bonds 3 are a pretty hard skill check, no matter what strat you employ.

p9s was already a nightmare, im not looking forward to this (5 days hardstuck cause people couldnt do levinstrike.........)

@@HectorHectorson yeah i used 5 hours yesterday trying to get the kill… so annoying when you have seen enrage and gottem every single mechanic possibility under your belt

Just did 12 hours of A2C parties in PF. 12 HOURS of A2C and I still couldn’t get the kill. Trap party problem for P10S is extremely bad.

@@chikuma3463 hope you get the kill soon. The worst part is it's not gonna get better next week, cause it's not usually a dps/heal/mitigation check that's failed. It's a skill check, because people mess up a mechanic and that won't be helped with better gear.

I just love that this is the first one I don''t heal :D

@@Melanie27101979 i have also been a full time healer for two raid tiers and now i am enjoying myself as a braindead smn 😂

@@cassianpicaro I do exactly the same :D

@@Melanie27101979 This is the first tier I won't heal too. I would have loved tackling Harrowing Hell as a healer. But I'm just a raise mage this tier.

1 platform is waaaay easier to heal imo since everyone can just run over there and you have everyone together? You can just run to that 1 platform, don't have to worry about having everyone at 100%, line AoE happens on the platform, again you have a shitton of time to top everyone up and then you just spread or stack

​@@Toad-yv8ko what he means is more so thr likelihood of someone clipping in one platform and then having to get their butts back up in the fight. It's easier to heal but it's also easier for someone to f it up because it's a tight timing and spacing game you're playing. Regardless, I still prefer one platform. My last three parties in pf have not died to this mech doing one platform so its totally doable consistently. I feel clipping in one platform is as likely as someone going to the wrong platform or taking to long on 2 platforms

@@kroganlauncher oh yeah i guess that makes sense. Yeah, the first couple times you do it people tend to panic a bit but it's super consistent after those first 2 or 3 times you get there. Yeah agree, just the fact that you take 1 part of the decision making out of the equation (4 people have to go left or right depending on what debuff they get on 2 platform strat) is such a big thing. Especially if you aren't on discord for people to call out what debuffs it is. Debuffs go out like 3-5 GCDs before raidbuffs as well so some people really struggle with identifying which debuff it is until the very end because they're "busy"

@@Toad-yv8ko There's a ton of time between the split platforms and Ultima, though, and there's only one occurrence of this. If people stay out too long and die, that's their own fault, not mine. People are forced to spread for Silkspit and Dividing Wings 2 anyway, and DW2 is easily solvable by heavy pre-shield and shifting Eos over to the DPS platform, then once freed booking it to mid to get everyone healed for the raidwide. I'd honestly rather move mid and heal (only need to be 75% anyway) than squish together for spreads on one platform in a system where you cannot rely on people to reliably resolve mechanics. 1 platform is not PF friendly.

If you can't do 1 platform you sure as hell can't do Omen #3 so it's better to learn early.

I understand this but as main shield heal I tell you people better learn to use theire mitigations well and don't take the funny things from the healers! It's our job to heal your asses and it's a mech to show what our power is!!! It's teamwork to survive it!

It shouldnt be as long as the web stackers are on 3/4 marks depicted above. Savage has precise movements in general so if they cant do first mech correctly its going to be more difficult later

Agreed

The dot is applied from the tethered cone. Breaking the web applies a stacking debuff that does nothing until u break 4.

@@corrobo You get 3 stacks of debuff for 10sec or so, i thought its from breaking web, not from tether. One way or another, it should be mentioned as its pretty deadly for dps(specially ranged).

@@cyphi474 after going in again, the potent poison is applied only once a person breaks 4 webs. 3 is totally fine

@@corrobo I checked that debuffs today. It says, strong DoT and slowered movement(4 is death). Check desc. Plus Tethers cleave gives Bleed, so you get two DoTs on you.

@@corrobo "Heavy Soul Snare Caught in web, reducing movement speed and causing damage over time. A stack of 4 will result in severe poisoning." Thats in game description. You get Bleed from the cleave and this at same time, even thought its DoT seems to be minor compared to the Bleed. Together can be deadly, if healers do not react fast enough.

One mechanic at a time, fren.

You also risk people the otherside not making it to the platform or the people that shouldn't be in the stack cleaving everyone else, your better off just doing it on the middle, which gives plenty of time for the party to then move to a single plat

there's tons of time after the line stack to do it either way depending on what people are comfortable with

I love it when the enrage is an unsolvable mechanic! Miss the days of E5, E6 and E8.

@@HectorHectorson E6 was one of my favourite fights! I miss Ifruda a lot!

I just noticed this lmao. time to reupload!

or just have MT take the right tower?

@@MightyOwl_01 That's what I'm saying. Have tanks stay on the same side for all mechanics. I just put MT on left for everything and OT on right for everything. It just makes sense.

@@mosley3485 yeah, it's interesting to see what PF is actually like since this is my first savage tier, majority of the time they don't use common sense and better strats, they just go with the first thing popular youtube man said

Those turrets are clunky as fuck yeah, was a nightmare figuring out how to consistently do the shit turret pattern

Turrets were a nightmare to move, doesn't help I'm playing with lag due to being EU to NA. It's like they just stick to random players sometimes, even if you are the closest.

The turrets lock on to the closest target like 1s before they fire. Even if that target is at the point of firing not the closest target anymore. Additionally there is a delay on the turret adjusting the aim too, which makes it feel super annoying. I understand they wanted to avoid tampering due to accidental late moving in, but the result is that clunkyness.

Hi there, For the 1st and 3rd time you get the debuffs, using the same one-tile spots (TH left, DPS right) work great. However, I find them unnecessary and unhelpful for the debuffs after turrets.For the final turret, tanks will take it by themselves in a lane, while melees will be hiding in a separate lane. Thus, just doing the mechanic will naturally lead to tanks and melees being spread. Having tanks and melees swap to ensure you have TH left, DPS right is unnecessary and more likely to lead to deaths. For this set of debuffs, spreads should naturally sort themselves out from dealing with the turrets correctly. For pairs, just having g1 left, g2 right, works fine. Hope this helps!

@@HectorHectorson Hello Hector...yes, that makes sense and now I get it. Thank you for answering my question so quickly. I've been very happy about it. You helped me a lot :) Greetings Andreas

@@andreasmustermann5215 its just a little step for the tank 2 to be on his plat1 position, you guys recomending to do this weird positioning showed on the video ruined so many PF's.

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No. The best strat for wing 1 is taking both stacks north. And having the cleaves pointed out south. I clear in PF and done and can do all the starts. It doesn't really matter, but N/S is probably the worst of all of them for wings 1. It gives you bad habits for later webs.

Both strats are absolutely equally as viable.

@@user-ed5kj1kl2f What? The south stack is easily in melee range of the boss

@@unitedstatessc What kind of bad habit? South group is the same spot where you need to put the stack from before HH, literally helps you learn the placement as an unmarked player, you still are gonna do the same triangle as for every other web, and you will actually do the tether in the same way in every other mechanic What kind of bad habits can you even get from that?

​@@luxadia7310 for the stack theres the D marker, tanks and melee cant get uptime in the south stack either Both north is the "safest"

The knockback can't be cheesed with cover or any form of invuln, so unfortunately, second HH acts as a hard enrage.

I've been saying this too, that gives no real advantage, and it's from my experience more inconsistent, and by "more" I mean it's not even close to the normal one (yah even here someone forgets rarely).

I've been running 1 plat in pf for the past few days and I prefer it over 2. Creates consistent positions and you don't have the "oh no, I went to the wrong side" panic. The only times it's went wrong is when someone forgot to get in the role stack, which can happen regardless of the strat.

it literally isnt a problem sounds like a dc issue

Funnily enough, I've had better odds with pf doing 1 plat than 2 plat

Cursed pattern is better pattern due to how much we've seen it

Not proximity based to my knowledge, just a wild charge (nearest two players take much higher damage)

This bug was pointed out in patch notes around savage release, and they warned that you will be bonked for abusing it.

@Ioshipon so then it would work? I'm just curious what would happen to the boss. Would he loop his soft enrage, or does the fight reset after the kb regardless?

In my experience as a tank, what happens most commonly with my group is that the turret locks on to me and I aim the turret, my healer just is stood in front of me so I don't die. Moving earlier as healer makes it more likely that the lasers will swap on to their correct target (they do swap, they're just awkward about it). You can also have the far healer do a slight curve around the nearer turret to avoid it targeting on to them at all. I personally find the turret targeting to be the most janky mechanic of this tier. They're what tethers were to Asphodelos.

@@HectorHectorson I just got the clear Hector. I found that moving in an arc (or curve) was key to fixing the issue I was having. Guide was much appreciated and I'm looking forward to starting P11S soon. I'll be using your guide for that fight as well.

Yes, but it only lasts for 8s, whereas the raidwides continue over 15+ seconds. You’ll still need some mit for when the LB isn’t up.

this isnt how that works, I thought it was too but I was corrected. the bleed comes from the wings. The stacking debuff is just something you can't get more than 4 of, it's different from the bleed

oh wait

yup, should be cleaves south and stacks northwest northeast lmao

I love losing melee uptime

@@Atlas-eg5gu You can't do northwest and north east webs because then you'll end up stuck to the pole and you can't be broken free. that's 6 deaths right there. If you want to do north/south have dps north, and support south and then you get uptime for everyone but the tanks possibly

@@Emolga91 there is plenty of room. I cleared doing stacks NW/NE tether S

@@Emolga91 that's fair except I've had it done about 40 pulls including the clear without overlapping the poles.

@Game Design Andy Yikes. Don't be so sensitive, bruh. Get better at the game, lol.

@Game Design Andy Besides, you totally missed my point, lol

I love JP and I cleared it on my 9th try with this strat

Its prone to failure because people don't have brains for it. I mastered in 4 tries

@@user-ed5kj1kl2f Sounds like you are the crybaby here. If you don't like JP just put mario kart in the pf desrciption and move on.

Because of where the tanks and healers are likely to be after the turrets due to the nature of how that all goes, it's less movement and still relatively braindead to just kinda move a bit left/right and be fine instead of worrying about having to cross over, maybe move up a spot, while also maintaining awareness of whether it's spread or pairs going off first.

since the patterns are totally random it's better to for muscle memory to settle on a repeatable stack/spread spots regardless of the previous pattern I found that just lining up in partner groups straight down the middle like in the 1plat strat works perfectly fine and there's plenty of time to get there

Aiming diagonally is just more consistent and isnt really a massive difference for dps movement

Gonna actively look for groups doing the 2 platform strat, this single platform is sooo bad...

It's actually both. The players receive a bleed debuff as soon as the cleaves go out, but the debuff from breaking webs also has a poison DOT effect if you get 4 stacks.

You get a DOT from both.

To be honest I might just have blocked it out due to PTSD.

@@HectorHectorson is there any particular reason why people prefer the Wings-tethers on Wings #1 to be aiming north? We found that to be finicky for no particular reason with people clipping from time to time without markers, and you have to learn the aiming tethers East / West version anyways for Wings#3, right? So if you shoot the cones directly east and west you can just send one 3man group north while the other 3man group ends up south of the statues. You can even make a nice lines there instead of triangles. North makes a horizontal line close-ish to the north edge of arena, resulting in only 2 webs that need to be broken and south makes a vertical line (for uptime) again only resulting in 2 webs that need to be broken instead of 3. So... from my pov (i might be wrong) shooting them out West and East just seems a) more forgiving b) makes Wings#3 easier as it's literally same as Wings#1 (one less thing to learn) and c) less chance of greed getting in the way? if you get a ranged + Healer on the tethers and suddenly all tanks and melees want to be in melee range and you get the purple webs that you can't break anymore because hard for 4 people to squeeze into melee range south of the boss without being too close to others (either in your own group or the other group)

@@Toad-yv8ko E/W has the issue of do the tethered rotate to their role group, always CW, or always CCW, which leads to deaths when people run to the same group. At the end of the day, every single popular strategy to resolve Wings 1 has the same movement and uptime. Wings is a mechanic that is effectively "we are doing this" and you clear it. It's not like 1 platform/2 platforms that has upsides and downsides to both methods.