Does this treatment approach work for stress symptoms that are not "painful" such as visual disturbances, tremors, overactive bladder, word finding, etc? I have these as well as painful stress symptoms like burning stomach pain, migraines, and electrical shock sensations in my face. All fit the profile of coming and going, moving around, and evolving or worsening while under extreme stress or during a traumatic situation.
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the question! We are not doctors and this is not medical advice. To answer your question, all of those symptoms you mentioned can be triggered by either neuroplastic changes that can be unlearned, OR structural tissue-damage problems (or a combination of the two). Neuroplastic symptoms can affect almost any part of the body, they can even cause a coma in the most severe form, like the immigrant children in Sweden who suffer from brain-induced "resignation syndrome." So yes, the brain can also cause vision problems, tremors, frequent urination, and cognitive dysfunction. But each individual is different, and it's a good idea to seek medical assessment by a doctor if you are able to. These nuances can be tricky to navigate on your own. If you feel moved to do the work on the mind-body symptoms you feel confident are neuroplastic because they move and change and are triggered by high stress levels, that's a good place to start. And the insights you accumulate will usually shed light on the other symptoms that are more in the grey area. You might catch them responding or changing (sometimes getting worse) as a result of the work you're doing with your other symptoms. We created a guide to assessing symptoms (especially pain, but also fatigue, brain fog, rapid heart rate, sensory hypersensitivity, etc.) with links for seeking out medical assessment from mind-body informed physicians here: www.thismighthurtfilm.com/unlearningpain Wishing you luck getting good medical care and embarking on this work.
@casario28089 ай бұрын
In my experience, yes very much so. Dr Schubiner also has a book on Unlearn your Anxiety and Depression. Its basically different sides of the same coin. In my experience, mindfulness meditation and other forms of soothing help, but good to have that approach here of recognizing these symptoms we get are not harmful. Its brain re-training for sure. So many have said that its not so much that the brain using pain as a coping response but more fear...it is CONDITIONED fear of pain (or whatever else anxiety/stress-related body symptom is going on) that drives it. Also in my experience, it takes time. Especially if depression is present as that just adds this additional background noise, but patience and perseverance can see us through. I'm not 100% - in some cases the major pain issue can get resolved only to be "replaced" by another - but this stuff has really helped and its good to see it is finally getting the attention it deserves, or starting to.
@karenpiraneo5426 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Schubiner, thank you for continuing to train doctors on this pain cause. I am 71 years old and have suffered most of my life with pain and anxiety. I have always known how sensitive I am to everything I feel in my body. I could move in and out of these conditions during stressful times in my life until about 15 years ago when my back and sciatica got really bad. Then it moved to include my hip... I've been limping now for years. I've been told very frightening things by doctors, but never gave into the shots, painkillers or surgery that was recommended. I just always knew it was my emotions. I have read all of Sarno's books and just completed Alan Gordon's the way out book!! I know now that I can beat this and teach my brain to stop the fear! Thanks for this video to all of you!!!
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, Karen. Wishing you well
@claresmith926111 ай бұрын
Just to mention here, I listen to Pain free you with Dan , he’s not a qualified doctor but amazing, he does a daily talk which I listen to and all his stuff is free He’s very well learned as he suffered for years with pain himself
@ThisMightHurt11 ай бұрын
Yes, Dan Buglio is a very helpful resource for so many people. Thanks for sharing.
@B3l0v3d05 Жыл бұрын
Curable is a great app to get started if you don't have a doc or the funds you can work with.
@jcszot Жыл бұрын
This opens up an entire new doorway for me to explore. My father died in June of 2021. When we were cleaning out his apartment, which was very cluttered to put it politely lol I injured my right arm. After submitting almost $10,000 worth of claims to my insurance company and struggling to pay off about $4600 of bills out of pocket, I was told I had what was called parsonage turner syndrome. I was shuffled from doctor to doctor test to test and finally the last orthopedic physician I saw told me that that was a fancy name for a pinched nerve! Well, for heaven sakes, the title parsonage turner syndrome alone is enough to bring on anxiety in any patient I would think. The pain was unbearable, unlike anything I’ve ever experienced! I haven’t forgotten it….and that’s probably my problem lol I’m very cautious about what I do. It felt like I was hanging onto an electrical fence. The type of fences that they use to house livestock. The acute phase eventually did pass thank God ! It took me over a year to really figure out what it was and to make peace with it and try to move forward without medication. I was told by two surgeons that the surgery would not help. I started doing an in-home PT program at the direction of a retired therapist that lived in my community only because I could no longer afford to funnel any more money into this problem.. I also started going to a Reiki practitioner at her suggestion and noticed a drastic turn around in my condition. While she was working on me, she would ask me about my father and inquire about the feelings that I might be experiencing since his death. I have a lot of guilt and regrets around his passing. He was an alcoholic and would often need money, and I would give it to him and I did for the longest time until after members in an Al-Anon group told me that I was enabling him. At that time I started to implement some tough love, and shortly after this, he became sick and rather quickly, and then he passed away. I have to say that since I’ve been going to the Reiki practitioner, I feel a lot better, but I notice from time to time the discomfort is inconsistent and it comes and it goes. It was no accident that I came upon these podcasts and the work that Dr. Schubiner does. I’m going to continue exploring this in much greater depth, because I feel this shines a light, a big light on my particular situation. Thank you so much ….all of you for all the work and attention that you have given this subject matter. 🙏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@larryc5062 жыл бұрын
Excellent interview! Tanner seems to be a very empathetic mind body coach.
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@cheryl8493 Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh this has been so helpful! Especially now that I am on this TMS journey Thank you so much!
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for your comment. :)
@KathySierraVideo Жыл бұрын
I’ve been applying modern pain science views to *horse* rehabilitation, and after ten years doing this, it still feels like a miracle to see horses reclaim their ability to move and enjoy life. I’m interested to learn more about PRT and how I might incorporate some parts of it.
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Hi, for real? can you say more about this? How does it work?
@Hinz2005 Жыл бұрын
I would love to know more about this. I work with dogs and would love to know how you apply what we know!
@KlausPercussionАй бұрын
I got rid of all my pain with Pain Reprocessing Therapy! There's a way out. Trust me :) I am from Austria and read the book of Alan Gordon The Way Out
@ThisMightHurtАй бұрын
So glad to hear this! Thanks for sharing. - Kent
@aquious9538 ай бұрын
I found cold emersion and exercise really helps me. I also take neurontin and antidepressants.
@FortheBudgies Жыл бұрын
Oh thank you so much for saying that this approach requires the accurate assessment of the source of the pain. If I knew my pain wasn't due to a progressive disease I could settle into it and push my boundaries and move on. However it's a giant unknown what or causing the pain and it's difficult to let go of the worry that pushing things will cause injury.
@ThisMightHurt11 ай бұрын
Hi, have you been able to get in to see a doctor? I understand this is not possible for everyone because of the affordability crisis in US healthcare and in other countries. Doctors using testing should be able to rule progressive diseases like ALS and other neurodegenerative disorders relatively easily. Wishing you luck, Kent
@FortheBudgies11 ай бұрын
@@ThisMightHurt I've been to soooooooooooooo many doctors and PT's. I'm going to an actual pain clinic tomorrow. My surgeon is sending me to all the specialists who could explain pain drivers but they all shrug or say it shouldn't be causing pain. Yet here I am in pain
@ThisMightHurt11 ай бұрын
@@FortheBudgies Sorry that you're dealing with so much pain and that doctors haven't yet been able to make sense of it or help you recovery. This is a common experience for people who suffer with "brain-to-body," or mind-body pain. You may want to consider trying some of the mind-body practices to unlearn pain, which are very different from the typical medical treatments like injections, drugs, and surgery. You can see our roadmap to unlearning mind-body pain here: www.thismighthurtfilm.com/unlearningpain Wishing you luck, Thanks, Kent
@FortheBudgies11 ай бұрын
@@ThisMightHurt in my case we don't know if it's really chronic pain or if they missed some endometriosis or adhesions or if either have grown back since my surgery. Some experts say my symptoms are from missed disease during surgery and others just normalize pain and disfunction in women in general. The most distressing issues really aren't the pain as much as the involvement of my bowels and bladder and the giant unknown if another surgery could possibly resolve it all. I'm not ready to give up and accept that this is all chronic pain due to over reactive nervous system until we've ruled out that diseased tissue may be the root cause. In the meantime I'm doing all the things to treat chronic pain but I have not accepted that this is how the rest of my life is going to be.
@ThisMightHurt11 ай бұрын
@@FortheBudgies Yes it's important to rule out possible disease processes that explain the pain. Howard Schubiner, MD has estimated that about 10% of people with chronic pelvic pain have structural disease processes (like endometriosis) that are causing their pain. That leaves a number of people who have mind-body contributors to their pain. Many surgeons will keep suggesting surgery over and over, because it is the only thing they understand. Some people get many back surgeries and dozens of injections all over the back and still have pain. You can see more of our resources about pelvic pain, should you ever need them, here: www.thismighthurtfilm.com/other-symptoms/#pelvic-pain You can also reach out to mind-body informed doctors if you the biomedical world is not getting you the help you need. Sorry you're in pain and wishing you luck. Kent
@reflux0435 ай бұрын
I listened to John E Sarno - The Divided Mind on audible, but another great audible book i found interesting on psychosomatic disorders is Suzanne O'Sullivan - Its All In Your Head. I found that book useful.
@ThisMightHurt5 ай бұрын
Yes, Thanks for sharing. O'Sullivan's other book "The Sleeping Beauties" is also great!
@enlightenedmind16852 ай бұрын
How does nerve pain play into this particular pudendal neuralgia
@pggrams58 ай бұрын
How does Pain Therapy work with pain from fractured vertebrates that have caused nerve damage for years? I had fractures of the spine many times that were ignored by my doctors, so I continued my active athletic life which caused more damage to my spinal nerves causing neuropathy. I worked as a nurse and was a long-distance runner for years. After leg fractures because my ankle would swell from twisting it at the same time. I was often told my back pain was caused by retroverted uterus even after I had my uterus removed. I assisted in 2 8 hour days of an Arthroscope and the radiology doctor asked me to come back and he x-rayed my back to find old non treated major spine fractures that were never treated. I was told by a spinal doctor that I had a high pain tolerance due to the damage to my spine and I was still pushing myself to work as an active ICU nurse and run about 6 miles a day.
@ThisMightHurt8 ай бұрын
Hi @pggrams5, Thanks for the question. We cannot answer specific medical questions like this online, but you are welcome to reach out to me directly on my site at www.mindbodyinsight.net I can make a general comment, though, which is that many, many patients are given incorrection information by doctors. Doctors routinely tell patients incorrect information about MRI scans because most believe that chronic pain is driven primarily by biomedical structural damage. The truth is that in studies, experts find that 90% of chronic pain is *not* caused by damage. Back pain specifically, over 80% of the time, is “non-specific” meaning no clear etiological causes are discovered. Citation: tinyurl.com/4dm25hp6 The main causes of chronic pain are to be found in the brain due to stress, psychosocial factors, and oftentimes, trauma. These causes can be addressed through neuroplastic therapies. Sometimes people have both causes at once: structural and neuroplastic combined. I would suggest trying to get a medical assessment by mind-body informed physicians who can distinguish these brain-based causes from structural causes. Becca Kennedy, MD at resilience-healthcare.com John Stracks, MD at cormendihealth.com Both are great options. If you cannot get an assessment, you can try to do the assessment yourself using the resources you can find here: ASSESSING PAIN www.thismighthurtfilm.com/how-to-assess-pain THINKING CRITICALLY ABOUT BACK PAIN www.thismighthurtfilm.com/back-neck-pain HOW TO UNLEARN PAIN www.thismighthurtfilm.com/unlearningpain Also, we’re doing a screening event for our film next month, and it is all about back pain. You can ask questions there in the live chat. More info here: www.thepainpt.com/news/this-might-hurt-screening-plus-live-qa-session/ Thanks and wishing you luck, Kent www.mindbodyinsight.net
@sparkely11224 ай бұрын
Mines nerve pain in my gums pinching full ache 🤕 I wish this was talked about more I m sure it’s more rare but dang 😢
@RICKYDENNIS493 ай бұрын
I have lived with long term chronic pain due to lower back issues for over thirty years. This spinal tissue damage is still present. Big question. I have now watched a great many of these retraining the brain videos and similar treatments. The vast number of these videos talk about therapy and methods of adjusting the brain when the tissue damage is no longer present. My big question is this, Can these treatments help if the tissue damage causing this pain is still present ? A definitive answer to this question would be so very helpful. Chronic pain has dominated my life for over thirty years. Pain relieving drugs have come close to killing me on several occasions. Over the years I have tried so many third party treatments without success. Do I need to accept the pain and cope with life in the best I can or is there really a way for treatments like the one in this video helping. All advice and help would be very much appreciated.
@ThisMightHurt3 ай бұрын
@RICKYDENNIS49 We can't speak to anyone's individual medical issues. My suggestion would be to try to have a conversation with a mind-body informed doctor like Becca Kennedy, MD, John Stracks, MD, or Howard Schubiner, MD. The reason is that the vast majority of people with mind-body conditions have been told by doctors they have damage driving their symptoms. Musculoskeletal pain usually resolves within months or a year because of the body's innate ability to heal. So a conversation with a doctor may give you a new perspective. You can also assess your own symptoms for neuroplasticity using the FIT criteria. www.thismighthurtfilm.com/how-to-assess-pain While shifting belief about damage driving the symptoms is not necessary at the beginning of healing, it usually becomes part of the process at some point, as a person begins practicing mind-body awareness. It's important to rule out infections, cancer, extreme herniations, and fractures, but other problems that are labeled as spinal damage are not necessarily driving pain. While it is theoretically possible to have spinal damage that "never heals" or doesn't respond to medical treatment, that is very rarely the case upon close examination by a mind-body physician, at least according to my observations. I am not a physician, it's best to consult with a physician. Wishing you luck.
@issaciams Жыл бұрын
But this is very hard to do when your pain is at a 9 and its holding steady until you relieve the pain by removing the pressure it is currently receiving. Or its just not getting the immediate treatment it needs. Like ice or heat or massage or just rest and time. Chronic pain is such a tough thing to deal with. Im here because nothing else has worked. Going to start this pain reprocessing therapy with my doctor very soon. I hope it actually helps me.
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Hi, Thanks for your comment and sorry you have so much pain. In this video they recommend doing somatic tracking when the pain is at a mild or moderate level. When the pain is very high it's usually better to resort to coping/distracting strategies and until it comes down a bit. And there are other mind-body tools beyond pain reprocessing therapy that you can find in our movie and on our site at : www.thismighthurtfilm.com/unlearningpain Wishing you luck! Let us know how it goes! You can find us at tmhfilm@gmail.com Kent
@lynncatalano8162 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very informative discussion. Is there a link to the film you have referred to a few times? I can’t seem to find it. Thank you so much!
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Hi Lynn, Thanks, glad you liked the discussion! This particular streaming window for the Canadian group has closed, but anyone can rent or buy the film at anytime from our site at thismighthurtfilm.com Thanks!
@MikeBensonmichael2pointO6 ай бұрын
How can I find practitioners in my city?
@dannya965 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever seen any cases of paralysis being caused by neuroplastic changes? I've had several botched surgeries on my foot, ankle, and 1 spinal fusion. About 3 years ago I lost the ability to spread my toes on one foot, but I can still move them back and forth. I thought paralysis caused by NP changes to be unlikely, but then I discovered "mirror therapy" and saw a story of one man who regained motion in his hand after several months of mirror therapy. What do you think?
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
@Danny A: Thanks for the question! Of course, paralysis can be caused by irreversible structural damage, like certain spinal cord injuries. And yet there are other mysterious forms of paralysis that are known as "functional neurological disorders" -this is a type of paralysis that isn't explained by damage, and it imperfectly mimics structural paralysis. The classic stories about "neuroplastic paralysis" are people who cannot move an arm during the work week, but can move them during the weekend. It is not a choice, and it is not "malingering," it's usually an automatic, unconscious reaction to psychosocial stress, or sometimes it happens for seemingly no reason, but no matter why it happens, it can be healed in most patients. This is similar to people whose chronic pain diminishes substantially while on vacation. It indicates that the mind/brain likely has a key role in generating the symptom. There's a book, _The Sleeping Beauties_ by Irish neurologist Suzanne O'Sullivan, MD that describes psychogenic paralysis as it is understood by the medical world. She does not describe the treatment, which is essentially the same for if you have neuroplastic pain or other symptoms: getting an accurate diagnosis, then doing fear reduction, brain retraining, behavior, cognitive, and emotional transformation to heal and relate to psychosocial stress differently. Not only to symptoms typically resolve, but many other benefits can accrue as well. That is outlined on our site: www.thismighthurtfilm.com/unlearningpain There are lots of resources throughout our site to help guide people toward recovery. Wishing you well! Kent
@k-3402 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully I'm not asking a redundant question, but is osteoarthritis (the symptoms) in the hands considered TMS? I've read that it's a common age-related abnormality, but I'm not sure if it's the same as degenerative changes in the neck, back, etc. Thanks
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
@K-3 We are not doctors, so this is not medical advice. But this is what we've understood about structural (osteoarthritis, or OA) versus neuroplastic, or brain-generated symptoms. If your symptoms move and shift a lot, wax or wane based on time of day or stress levels, then this is the hallmark of neuroplastic or brain-generated pain. We've heard Howard Schubiner MD say that as a general rule, most cases of mild or moderate OA do not cause significant pain. However, severe OA can of course cause significant pain. But severe OA is unlikely to exhibit the qualities of neuroplastic pain (being tightly linked to stress levels, moving and shifting, switching on and off). OA-caused pain is likely to be pretty steady, it is also likely to be clear upon examination, for example pushing firmly on OA-damaged areas will cause pain 100% of the time and not be inconsistent. Very light pressure, just on the skin and soft tissues, should not cause pain. For a how-to video demonstrating a method to "pressure-test" your hands to assess for damage vs neuroplasticity check this out: vimeo.com/648745989/97f29756a0 This is our understanding based on listening to mind-body doctors describe these differences. It is an imperfect understanding. If you feel unsure, we recommend getting a medical consultation with people at Lin Health (if you're US-based), with John Stracks, MD, based in Chicago, or with a mind-body-informed physician through the PPDAssociation.org. More about how to assess neuroplastic versus structural-caused systems is available on our site at thismighthurtfilm.com/quiz A roadmap for unlearning pain is available here: www.thismighthurtfilm.com/unlearningpain Wishing you the best with sorting this out!
@evelinayounan809011 ай бұрын
@@ThisMightHurtI have general OA and i have shiffting pains and I am very anxious and stressed person. I will definately will look into it cause My OA got worse with ibuprofen 10 days intake and i hope that it didnt do permanent damage to me and this is just a withdrawal from ibuprofen ....cause before i took it I was not having OA in my neck and back.
@talitamuniz Жыл бұрын
I'm having trigeminal nerve problem and fibromialgia after i caught covid for the second time 4 months ago, i can't find anybody to help me in my country ,it's really dificult, i'm taking medicines to fibromialgia and laser therapy but it's not working .
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear this. What country are you in? You can find an international list of practitioners here: ppdassociation.org/directory
@talitamuniz Жыл бұрын
@@ThisMightHurt hi thank you for answering me i'm from Brazil .
@sunshinsushi Жыл бұрын
@@talitamuniz try reading Dr Sarno and Alan Gordon (the way out). I have trigeminal neuralgia and it has helped a Whole lot. Good luck 🤞🏼
@talitamuniz Жыл бұрын
@@sunshinsushi thank you so much!!🙏🙏
@eileenlocke7877 Жыл бұрын
Hi I’m from the uk . I suffer with cronic pain mainly in my foot and toes big toe osteoarthritis it’s awfull I gt nerve pain to . I’ve been practicing these somatic excercices don’t think I do them prop as no improvement yet
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Hi Eileen, For people who don't improve through somatic tracking, it's recommended to try some of the other mind-body practices to see if you get pain relief from those. This includes emotional processing, shifting beliefs about the body through using "provocative testing," learning a mindfulness practice, reducing fear, and returning to activities. More information about these practices can be found at thismighthurtfilm.com/unlearningpain Many people who do not experience benefits from somatic tracking find pain relief from other mind-body practices, so please take heart. Wishing you well. -Kent
@eileenlocke7877 Жыл бұрын
Thank u very much
@daniella488910 ай бұрын
Wondering if anyone knows of a good doctor/psychologist/mind, body coach in Australia? I am in Sydney
@ThisMightHurt9 ай бұрын
You can find practitioners in this directory: ppdassociation.org/directory/#australia You may want to reach out to Dr. Sia who is based in Australia and practices ISTDP psychotherapy in a clinic: kzfaq.info/love/CHHfMRSVYSKp1ZPAfxoswwvideos
@lwfn Жыл бұрын
What if there is damage to your body. Knowing for sure through tests (x-rays, scans, mri) Can these METHODS help the REAL PAIN ?? ??
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Hello, yes I and thousands of other people have benefitted from these methods, and I had real arm pain. Check out our full-length film at thismighthurtfilm.com/ Thanks, Kent
@pennybarrie3136 Жыл бұрын
How can I distract myself this excruciating pain.
@kent.bassett Жыл бұрын
Hi Penny, sorry that you’re dealing with excruciating pain! We laid out a comprehensive roadmap for reducing and unlearning pain on our film’s website here: thismighthurtfilm.com/unlearningpain We also suggest watching our film, which will give you a visceral sense of how the treatment can reduce primary (or brain-generated, or neuroplastic) pain syndromes.
@Le-bb1wd Жыл бұрын
I'm a physiotherapist in Brazil and I would really like access to the film! how can I get? I have studied a lot about chronic pain and would love to know more about this approach! the best book for professionals what would it be?  I'm a physiotherapist in Brazil and I would really like access to the film! how can I get? I have studied a lot about chronic pain and would love to know more about this approach! the best book for professionals what would it be?
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks for the question. You can purchase or rent the feature film only on our website at www.thismighthurtfilm.com We hope you enjoy it! There are number of PTs who have made this work a key part of what they do. Some ones that come to mind are: Charlie Merrill www.mperformance.com/ Georgie Oldfield www.georgieoldfield.com/online-sirpa-pain-recovery-programme/ and the Pain PT, who you can find on KZfaq. The book Unlearn Your Pain is good, also The Way Out by Alan Gordon, and Georgie Oldfield has a book as well. Wishing you luck!
@lr6580 Жыл бұрын
Why cant i buy his book in UK ?
@janemann367411 ай бұрын
Painful to watch. Right?
@albinkacyanov751 Жыл бұрын
why autoimmune disorder is excluded from mind body symptoms ? isnt it even more obvious that the body is killing itself because cant deal with the mental problems? i have friend who is suffering for 13 years from some severe unexplainable pain, her daughter is neurologist - just finish 3 years ago - she send her mom to the best doctors in Toronto with no help. finally the last one put her diagnose - rheumatoid arthritis. but this friend is super negative, hate almost everybody, she is rasist, hate canada , her parents divorsed when she was ,2 or 3 y. married the man she did not like ..and on on.....there is full picture for me that she has mind body symptoms. now she is taking ..tramadol if the spelling is corect.
@ThisMightHurt Жыл бұрын
It's a good question. Oftentimes auto-immune disorders require medical treatments. But auto-immune diseases *may* also have mind-body factors, so people will sometimes do medical treatment and mind-body therapies simultaneously. Auto-immune diseases are a grey area, and not much research has been done on how helpful mind-body treatments are for them, though there are some very encouraging anecdotes. In contrast, for functional somatic syndromes, there is very good research supporting mind-body therapies as an effective treatment. Hence the emphasis. Thanks for the question!