Here is my take on this issue as I have been interested in this discussion. I believe the following areas can help us greatly push the discussion forward. This is a long comment and I have been carrying these thoughts in my mind. Please keep in mind I am still learning, like all of us are. 1. Exploration of our history Pakistan's history is rich in folklores, mythologies, personalities and wars. When we go deeper into our history, we will learn that people of different religions have called Pakistan home for millennia, it's people have considered Indus River of religious significance (EG: Udero Lal story), people have conceived stories which became so widespread that they became mythologies. Studying contributions of personalities of the past leads us to believe that this land has been a mixture of ideas which have expressed themselves in various forms. For example, Lahore gave birth to Ustad Ahmad Lahori who was recognised for his architectural talent and went on to design the Taj Mahal in Agra and Lal Qila in Delhi. By looking into the names our cities we can discover that not only have people of other faith held strong connection to this land but many places are named after historical rulers who once held power over the land. Village of Mangla is named after Queen Mangaldevi and Muzaffarabad is named after the last Afghan governor of Multan during the Durrani Empire. Re-exploring our past will determine who we are. What our people have been historically like. What has this part of the land been known for around the world. 2. Languages If you want to erase an identity, make the people sideline their own language. As someone from North Punjab, I have seen a rising trend among middle class and above families who do not transfer the richness of Punjabi language to the current generation and as a result they become hesitant speaking Punjabi in fear of being perceived as poor and uncivilised. Some even prefer to speak English instead of Urdu which not only throws the chances of establishing a Punjabi identity, but also a broader Pakistani identity. Ever since independence, nobody has allowed the native languages much older than Urdu to interact in a new environment to form a new Pakistani identity. If you never allowed the full expression of native cultures and languages in the public sphere, then is it really a surprise that we have been subject to divisions along ethnic lines? Punjab, the most populous province, doesn't own up to its own language and Punjabi communication is not allowed in Punjab govt either. The little ownership that Sindh has taken over Sindhi is limited only to Sindh and there is zero federal framework so that learning and speaking Sindhi is economically viable in the country. In countries like Switzerland, a Swiss can pursue PhD in Sciences in his/her own language because the Swiss govt recognises the linguistic diversity and creates a pathway for them to ascend the economic ladder without forgoing their language. Pakistan must own up to its languages without hindrance so that the speakers are able to ascend the economic ladder without their native-language hindering them. 3. Choosing your own heroes. The biggest L I have with the Single-National Curriculum introduced by PTI was that the federal govt began choosing the heroes of the people they govern. For the Baloch people, it is up to them who they look up to. Who's stories they pass on to their children. I am strongly against the idea that somebody sitting a 1000km away in Islamabad has greater power over choosing the heroes of the Baloch people (not just Baloch. you can insert any identity). Let the people learn history and choose their heroes. Only then we can arrive at the discussion table more confident in ourselves so that we can discuss on a Pakistani identity. 4. Local Govt Given the diversity of our country, it is imperative that people's voices are allowed to be expressed where they reside. If a city wishes to govern itself in a stricter manner than the rest of the province, then the people's wish must be recognised and the political system must allow that city to govern itself the way it wants regardless of the higher authorities. In the US, the local govt system is strong. This can be seen by noticing how cities like Austin have control over their governance despite being under Texas and govt. Austin is the largest city which ended its parking mandate and now the city is experiencing its fruit. In a city as a big as Lahore, there are bound to be liberal and conservative neighbourhoods. Local govt system and power of the vote should allow these neighbourhoods to express themselves systematically.

one of the only few remaining sane voices in the pakistani discourse, kudos muzammil keep up the good work

Right now it’s not an islamic, secular, communist or capitalist country. It’s just a country that serves its army, where army officers play golf and live in DHA while the poor people die

Quaid e Azam had given us the ideology.. He said Quran is our constitution... Islam is the best ideology and I believe if there only one person alone Islam protects him, if Islam is implemented in its true spirit.

Here's my take. Pakistan is a diverse nation - and something we should celebrate. If you look at the UK, it's essentially 4 countries - England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland - each with their own traditions, language and history - yet they are one unified nation. Pakistan should (and kind of does - but not entirely) follow a similar path. Let each area govern itself, apart from foreign relations. Secondly - we have too many people who come into power who feel their idea is the way forward, and impose their views. That's when things fail. Let the people decide via the ballot poll whether they want to be liberal or conservative, who they want as their leader etc. They will eventually learn to self-police. The problem is the constant interference.

Youth Ideology:- UK/USA/Canada Passport 😁

I believe we need such healthy objective discussion more often. And honesty is the most important element of such debates. Muzamil you are doing wonderful job 👍

Bhai simple hai ek Pakistani hindu tha wo central asia se Islamic invasion se musalman hua due to brutality. British wanted a dependable area after independence so they created Pakistan, they also were trying to create Dravidian state in south india but failed as they couldn't divide hindu but they could divide hindu muslim. They had tried that before in bengal in 1905 to divide it on religious lines ( same as Bangladesh )but it backfired . So in 1947 Pakistan was created so the united india dont have access to russia via Afghanistan as indian congress was very pro russia. Pakistan was a artificial state with no ideology bas Pakistan ban naye phir dekhi jayegi. Wo dekhi jayegi me lag gaye . So best thing for Pakistan is accept who they are that is hindu , keep practicing islam as that is their current religion and merge Pakistan with india. Koi army apko rule nahi karegi , current Pakistan se indian parliament ne 90 memeber of parliament hone out of 633 .so without them koi bade decision nahi honge . Democracy rahegi . Common Pakistan logoki bate suni jayegi . Kam hoga . Milkar super power bannge.

meanwhile me answering 9th class board exam of Pakistan Studies for 'Ideolgy of Pakistan' that state instilled deep in my mind...

Pakistan is not suffering because of identity crisis . Our problem is simple, a ruling elite who have been in a survival mode ... therefore will destroy anything which might appear to them as a threat and will do anything to stay in power no matter how illogical it is .

Based on Quran and Sunnah ! modernity and everything should be under orders of Quran !!!

I absolutely agree with you on the "identity crisis.". I have been reviewing and studying the national and global economies, politics, and histories of the major countries globally after all the analyses. The conclusion I came across was the same as what you defined in the video, but much better than mine, as I am not good at explaining it. The whole nation of Pakistan is going through an identity crisis, and you can easily spot it in our day-to-day lives. We as a nation need to sit down to talk about the national identity and find common ground on it. Once we do that, we will be able to make better laws, policies, and decisions for the better future of Pakistan and move forward as a nation. Also, looking at the diversity of Pakistan, the only major common thing I could find is "Islam," so I believe Islam is the only thing that can unite us as a nation.

Ideology is the fundamental basis of any nation..though we've read it in our books..it is a serious topic to "understand" but since we're facing poor literacy rate.. things can't be fixed easily..we need to educate almost our half population.. while looking at the current situation its going to take some serious time..

Ideologies are important sure, but ideologies/constitution/laws can be changed/amended according to popular public support or need of the time. What our forefathers defined is not set in stone. Dynamics were different back then. We should keep evolving.

Damn your channel is really good. Wish you had more views, it tells a lot about the people’s attention and priorities.

My answer to the question "Pakistan ka sab se barha masla kya hae" has consistently been that we need to promote and encourage the humanities. You are the very evidence of that Muzammil. People who think about the wider the issues of society ultimately define the course of their nations. The natural sciences in all their glory but there is a reason why the powers thst may be have encouraged them over the humanities. Thinking and questioning human beings is what Pakistan needs the most and yet is also the biggest threat to a status quo.

Pakistan is a fusion of multiple ethnicities and identity groups. It is situated at the crossroads of ancient Khorasan, Hindustan, Tibet, and Persia. Its forefathers conceived it as a country of experiments, innovation, and a safe sanctuary for the Muslims of the region, virtually identical to India before the British Raj. Its former colonial rulers envisioned it as a continuation of their colony, governed by local proxies instead of directly by them, to avoid bad publicity. Today, its inhabitants, comprising roughly 60 identity groups, must navigate out of colonial installed ambiguity and unlock the potential of their resource-rich land. They need to find a path that leverages their diverse but solid cultural foundations. They need to learn to live together as a nation under an equally relatable constitution, similar to the USA.

A much needed topic of discussion. Very well put. Please keep this topic alive. It will be great if people with different points of view on this topic are given a chance to discuss and find a common sense of purpose and direction. JazakAllah khair ❤

Pakistan doesn't suffer much from identity crisis as much as from autocratic state institutions who don't serve people but self interests and interests of western powers. Pakistan would have been the next decimated Libya which was prospering now it is in ruins . This is why nato was residing in Afghanistan to keep pressure on all of south asia for decades though optics were they are fighting talibans alone. Pakistan has no allies and military is in no shape to go to war alone. Pakistan would have been obliterated by India and Nato if Pakistan hadn't sacrificed its prosperity and freedom and that's the trade off military made. Live to fight for another day.

Ham Pakistanio ki flight bohat choti hai. Ham shulwar nation hain, shulwar se bahir hi nahi nikal sakte. Jis sorakh se nikal ker duniya main atey hain usi sorakh ki fikar kerte, usey police kerte and us per theories nikalte zameen ke andar chale jate hain. hamari soch shulwar se bahir hi nahi nikalti ham ne khak progress kerni hai.

A very comprehensive analysis...

Spot on analysis. I would say - Pakistan should be a land of sustainable abundance.

One of the Reason most people connected with Imran Khan was the Ideology of Pakistan he endorsed and we all related too. Otherwise we all feel scattered because no one else is doing the same thing.

Pakistan ka sab se bra masla hai k Ham apni aulaad (children) ki terbeyat theak nahi kertay. Yeh ker lain sab mil k to ak generation main Pakistan ki kismat change ho sakti uai.

🎉 PAKISTAN should be further segreagted into 7-8 as individual states under the umbrella of Pakistan. These state should have their own laws, economy, taxation etc. like US and stop the federal control and interference in everything.

Confusistaaan 🤣🤣🤣

We are NOT a Nation but a SET of NATIONS. Rule of law Provincial autonomy Application of the rules of a true federation A VERY NEW SOCIAL CONTRACT Could change the game

Bakwas ho gai? Aaen baaen shaaen na karein. Pichle 70 saal se yehi kar rhe ho. You are indians.. This is your identity. Ibam not saying to intrgrate back to India.. But rename your country to west india or something. Turk and arab k peeche bhagna chod do

We should celebrate our deferences each providence should govern independently except for foreign relations Because making everyone same same in every way won't work and it would not make them united. But unifying ideology of our country, i don't know about that

Pakistani should built one million madarsa 😊

We have idealogy, and that is establishment 😅

have been waiting for your video for 2 weeks....why so late? i hope you make content consistently. btw i love this series

For those viewers who wants to know about the identity crises in Pakistan, kindly read the book of Mubarak Ali.

We need people like you in power but such people are fully aware of the pros and cons of it and majority of them refrain from it.

great topic BAHI we have to discuss this issues

✨ Pakistan was founded on confused theories and till date their is no policy, direction and vision. Sorry it has turned in to a failed country with bulging population and scarce resources. If Pakistan need a future they need to fix schools, colleges, university on international well established examples. The youth of this country needs an excellent education and skills to have a future and country's future is linked with it. Secondly public needs grooming, behavioural and ethical education to learn what are goods and bad and how to behave with manners. Thirdly madrasa need to be integrated with modern education of science, business and technology otherwise it shouldn't be allowed to operate. Lastly country need to end the over religiosity and exploitation in the name of religion. Alhamdullilah we are practicing muslims but we don't need use of religion as a gimmick to exploit and misuse.

A good point many people never tried to understand each other

I, as a contributor to the national ideology, see myself skeptical regarding my own opinions. Each thought comes with its own counter thought in my mind and the one thing that always keeps me conflicted of my identity is the fact that I know how truth is kept hidden from me by one agency or the other. I don't know what to think or what to consider as an "ideal state" at this point. I'm unable to identify myself.

I will disagree a bit here. I dont believe it is possible or even practical to aim for a concensus core belief. Neither is our environment conducive to any discussions and debate. Seems to me we will just waste a lot more time, fail to reach a central core. Instead, let us move forward with the common derivatives of each ideology. For example, all ideologies in the end want prosperity of its people so let us make that our north star. Meanwhile let democracy take its path, and let the people decide which way they want to go and everyone can present his ideologies to the public to decide. Yes these above statements seem like an ideology in itself, but it tries to circumvent that there needs to be a specific reason for prosperity. This is a philosophical question so I find many contradictions and question marks in my own thinking but this is a rough sketch.

No only Islamic ideology of Allahs religion can save Pakistan and can expand khilafat from here to Palestine and beyond

I've been saying this for years, we should either go fully secular or fully Islamic. We have, for the greatest part of our liberation, been stuck in the middle and every person has their own varying degree of polarity to each side.

I would like to add another dimension to your discourse. I think the ideology should be chosen based on the stage the nation is at and ideology should be allowed to evolve when the nation progresses. For example, I think China in its infancy did right using the communist conservative mindset to mature as a nation. But going forward I think China should evolve to democracy. The priority of the people now is not related to poverty but related to finer things in life which democracy is more apt for.

was looking for something to hear good , so found it

میں نہیں جانتا پاکستان کا نظریہ کیا ہے لیکن سب انسانوں کو برابری کے حقوق ملنے چاہئے، قانون سب پر برابر لگنا چاہئے، آرمی کو بیرکوں میں ہونا چاہئے سول ادارے مظبوط ہونے چاہئے ہر شخص کو اپنی مذہبی رسومات اور روایات کی ادائیگی کا حق ہونا چاہئے۔۔۔یہ سب کچھ ہونا چاہیے لیکن اگلے دو سو سال بھی یہ ممکن نہیں لگتا

Balochistan secular??

Pakistan's ideology should be based on something that the majority can relate with. I think it is "Islam" 🕋 The reasoning behind it is that even the Liberals in Pakistan identify themselves as MUSLIMS. We don't have ATHEIST SECULARS like the ones in Western countries. Therefore, I think that having a MODERN ISLAMIC WELFARE STATE (similar to Qatar with some modifications according to our culture and traditions) is the framework that will be acceptable for the majority of people in Pakistan

Basically he wants Pakistan to be like India. Then why separate? If the reason was Muslims were not safe then today India has more Muslims and doing better if not great. And if Pakistan had not separated, Muslims population would have been more and would definitely have more say then what they have today.

I consider Pakistan and India similar to Canada and USA, both Pakistan and India by culture and heritage the same countries. Its hard for Canada to identify it as a different country from US as both countries pretty much watch the same sports and TV programming, US calls Canada as another State of US, which is not appreciated in Canada :)

Excellent Analysis Sir 👍👏 27:05-33:24 Absolutely agreed with your Assessment 👍🏻💯

I have been overseas since last 6 years. never seen any Indian or any other country people fighting like Pakistanis with each other. second thing never seen such a cast system like Pakistani, never seen religious division like Pakistanis. we as a nation are dead people divided into groups etc.

It was a good debate. Keep it up. JAZAKALLAH KHAIR

Perfect topic 🙏🏻❤️

All the questions you raised about ideology n identity have very adequate answers in the constitution of Islamic Rebulic of Pakistan which was written n passed in 1973. Please go through it 🇵🇰

That's why uniform national curriculum is so important.

We are the children of the Indus

i think its time to make rules and ideolgy for the humans and humanity not for muslims or others ......... because i think we all are human first.......... what you think?

Pakistan is indus valley civilization

Identity crisis can be one of the issue but how it can be fundamental of all issues

Islam is unifying power for Pakistan

This episode is not boring at all.

An important topic Ideology is an ever evolving subject. That's the reason even unanimously approved constipations can be amended Such discussions are good but please do not expect a final outcome in near future

Alternate Title of the video : How to talk for Half an hour without saying anything

Bro i just wish your voice reach the "DECISION MAKERS" of our country.. as AWAM bechari kia ideology pe soche jisko apna roz ka kamana hai aur khana hai..

Good topic choose ❤we need this 🎉

6:08 Chai (tea )units us all

There's this channel on KZfaq called, "explained with dom" He describes in a video all the problems going on with the countries we think are going very well and also the countries we know aren't going very well. Watching that also if you just look up a little more on the topic you'd know every country has it's problems some with more some with Pakistan is from the one's with a lot of problems, sadly, but should we just sit and complain about it, no! We shouldn't just complain but we should educate ourselves and bring the change or maybe atleast take steps towards tge change which is necessary to make our country a better place to be in! If every generation will just keep crying about the way situations are and the way our country is working, things will not change they'll stay the same forever because no one is and ever was ready to bring change...

If only those who migrated towards Pakistan after partition saw this debate what would they think? Were they confused this much while migrating towards Pakistan While doing this debate the argument of blood of the migrators should never be excluded out of the equation

Gud topic for brainstorm n debate

I waited for many days. Love from Sindh ❤😅

Unfortunately we don't have any identity rather suffering from identity crisis

Unity for economic progress and for peace

Good governance and a strong economy is the only ideology any nation needs.

Till Qamayat we have only one ideology... That is Islam & Sharia.

I love the concept of how German Empire operated.

Good thesis. Just one small point that specific term of “Nazriya Pakistan” is coined for the reason to have separate state. نظریہ پاکستان سے مراد یہ تصور ہے کہ متحدہ ہندوستان کے مسلمان، ہندوؤں، سکھوں اور دوسرے مذاہب کے لوگوں سے ہر لحاظ سے مختلف اور منفرد ہیں ہندوستانی مسلمانوں کی صحیح اساس دین اسلام ہے اور دوسرے سب مذاہب سے بالکل مختلف ہے، مسلمانوں کا طریق عبادت کلچر اور روایات ہندوؤں کے طریق عبادت، کلچر اور روایات سے بالکل مختلف ہے۔ اسی نظریہ کو دو قومی نظریہ بھی کہتے ہیں جس کی بنیاد پر 14 اگست 1947ء کو پاکستان وجود میں آیا۔ Muzammil is using it as an ideology to act as a framework for all current Pakistanis to move together as a nation.

Muzammil bhai why are you talking about things you don't understand? Have you ran out of guests and topics? Dr. Fazl called "secularism" the worst thing human beings have come up with. You should've mentioned that aswell. Specially since you have one chapter based on that and only mention him for 3 secs. You can seriously put yourself in great loss walking on this path without a guide.

The ideology of Pakistan is rooted in the Two-Nation Theory, which posits that Muslims and Hindus in the Indian subcontinent are distinct nations with their own customs, religion, and traditions. This ideology was a driving force behind the creation of Pakistan in 1947. Key elements of Pakistan's ideology include: 1. Islamic Identity: Pakistan was conceived as a homeland for Muslims, where they could live according to Islamic principles. This religious foundation influences its laws, culture, and social norms. 2. Two-Nation Theory: Propounded by leaders like Allama Iqbal and Muhammad Ali Jinnah, this theory asserts that Muslims and Hindus are two separate nations, deserving of their own sovereign states. 3. Unity of the Muslim Ummah: Pakistan's ideology emphasizes the unity and solidarity of the global Muslim community (Ummah), promoting cooperation and brotherhood among Muslims worldwide. 4. Democratic and Islamic Principles: While grounded in Islamic values, Pakistan's constitution also enshrines democratic principles, aiming to balance modern governance with Islamic teachings. 5. Cultural Heritage: The ideology includes a respect for Pakistan's diverse cultural heritage, incorporating various regional cultures and traditions within an overarching Islamic framework. These elements collectively define the ideological framework that guides Pakistan's national identity, policies, and aspirations.

28:05 Definition of ideology is written in every single book of Pakistan studies in 9th and 12th along with two nation theory and ideology of Pakistan

This was predicted by Molana Abdul Kalam Azad in 1946.

You are so true Sir.

What about the two nation theory? Wasn't this country made because the founders wanted a Muslim majority state? But why? For freely practicing Islam? No idea about this one.

Muzzamil bhai Ideology of Pakistan ke definition is there in our Lahore board Class 9th class book of Pakistan studies And what I recall was the most important question. Funny take is I don’t remember. We can go for new social contract but I have a question will that be without any interference of external involvement? (I am loving this videos This new partner while I cook. Looking forward more videos)

Maza aya ❤

Agreed, specially identity.

Having resided abroad for nearly a decade in China and Europe, I have come to realize that the bonds I form with certain individuals are often rooted in shared experiences and commonalities. These connections are typically based on elements such as food, history, language and its nuances, culture, and sports. From my observations, it is evident that people universally desire to be treated with dignity and respect. They expect fair and humane treatment not only from their peers but also from governmental authorities. I hold the view that an individual's religious beliefs are a deeply personal aspect of their spiritual journey, shaped by their understanding and life experiences. Therefore, it is not a matter of importance to me what specific religion someone follows. I consciously distance myself from individuals who attempt to impose their personal views upon me, regarding such behavior as toxic and indicative of a closed-minded approach to life. Additionally, I strongly believe that our educational system is in dire need of reform. It should focus on teaching children about diversity and inclusion, rather than fostering an "us versus them" mentality. In summary, I envision a Pakistan that embraces an identity and constitution where diversity is celebrated, religious and personal beliefs are respected, the legal system is grounded in justice, and the value of human life is paramount.

Bohat km log hai jo 30 min denge tumhari baat sun ne k liye topic jo bhi ho agr koi interested bhi hoga to wo bhi ye dekh k nahi click karega video pe

Thank you!

بہت خوب 👍🏻 میں بھی اسی نتیجہ تک پہنچا ہوں ابھی تک!!

Good subject. If new philosophy is not chosen that is showing respect to other religions, Pakistan will be broken from with in . No outsiders are needed.

Identity Crises, as Sahil Adeems says

Bhai qoum sirf islam pe aik ho gyi uski sb se baare waja ye hai ky hamain 75 saal se islam sell kia gya or sell hamaisha wo cheez hoti jis ki demand hoti hai or sb Pakistan main islam ki common demand hai Edit : jahan tak ap Baloch or sindh ki baat kar rhy tu ap ko ye pata hona chahiyay kay wahan bhi mijority islam he chahti hai

Nonsense. All successful countries of the world are those that have no "national" ideology. The US, UK, etc. have no such concern.

میرے نزدیک جب تک خود آگاہی عام نہیں ہو گی ہم انفرادی طور پر اپنا نظریہ قائم کرنے کے قابل نہیں ہو سکتے اور نہ سٹیٹ کسی ایک نظریہ پر اکتفاء کر سکے گی ۔ بیشتر پاکستانیوں سے بات چیت کرنے سے پتہ چلتا ہے انہی ملکی معاملات سے کوئی سروکار نہیں ذیادہ تر ریوڑ کی طرح ہیں جس کا سربراہ جس طرف چاہے موڑ دیتا ہے اور ہم میں صلاحیت نہیں کہ ہم اس گرو کے سربراہ کے نظریے کو چیلنج بھی کر سکیں ۔ بڑی مچھلیاں اپنے مفادات کی خاطر نظریے کو آگے پیچھے کرتے رہتے ہیں اور کرتے رہے گے سوال یہ ہے اتنی بڑی آبادی خود اگاہی کا سفر کیسے طے کرے گی تو اسکا آسان سا حل ہے ہمیں خود کیساتھ سچا ہونا ہو گا ۔ اپنی تاریخ کا مطالعہ ، دیگر قوموں کو پڑھنا یہ سب بعد کے لیکن بہت اہم پوائنٹ ہیں

Pakistan’s Identity crisis, I agree. But founding fathers just wanted religious free inclusive of religious and non-religious minorities.

Well my friend the idiology behind pakistan was the two nation theory proposed by Sir syed ahmed Khan and quaid e azam said we are an Islamic state where minorities have equal rights to practice their religion

Our ideology is Islam

Gold.

And 18 th amendment has practically made four countries from one.

SB sy pehly to apny secular county ko define hi ghalt kia ha . Ap ny kaha ha jaha SB religions ko Sath ly kr Chala jaye wo secular hota ha .nahi Bhai sahb secular wo hota ha jaha religion ko policy making and constitution making me bilkul bi na shamal na kia jaye. SB religions ko Sath ly kr chalny wali to Islamic state hoti ha ya phr ap modern democratic state bi Keh skty hn secular nahi

Identifying your Ideology can be a little problem, butt the real problem occurs in Implicating that Ideology, According to me, The solution is to have a healthy debate with all the ideologies and have a roadmap on which all the Ideologies agree with each other, and Implications start with education. Not a rocket science I guess