The Forerunners Would Dominate in 40k - HaloHammer Part 2

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0:00 - Intro
0:48 - World of Warships Sponsorship
2:59 - Background on the Forerunners
4:38 - Incredibly Disjointed Ramblings About Their Capabilities
14:28 - What Happens When They Magically Appear in 40k
24:00 - Conclusion
24:59 - The Weapon of the Gods
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@pancreasnowork9939
@pancreasnowork9939 2 жыл бұрын
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@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
Man I never realised the fore runners are that interested.
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot the Guardians which could shut down an entire Necron Tomb World with one EMP blast.
@lurky6439
@lurky6439 2 жыл бұрын
How would the old ones will fare against the fore runners?
@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
@@HolyknightVader999 Well yeah that's what an EMP does. Unless you're a faraday cage.
@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
@@lurky6439 I imagine a love hate relationship. Like tsunderes.
@bobjones5674
@bobjones5674 2 жыл бұрын
Guilty spark looking at the best tech of the UNSC and the Covenant: "This is the most Ghetto shit I've ever seen."
@thekillerpill23
@thekillerpill23 Жыл бұрын
lol
@Ibis-
@Ibis- Жыл бұрын
lmao
@EliteSithMaster
@EliteSithMaster Жыл бұрын
"Oh...I see now Reclaimer. We've resorted to Duct Tape in our rekindling."
@lentlemenproductions770
@lentlemenproductions770 Жыл бұрын
Utterly post-apocalyptic aesthetics from his perspective.
@davidscott5406
@davidscott5406 Жыл бұрын
this made me cry ngl
@gracecalis5421
@gracecalis5421 Жыл бұрын
This is the race that went: "You think we could tilt the galaxy?" "I don't know. Probably" "You wanna?" "Wanna what? Tilt the galaxy? But why?" "...why not?" "Yeah, fuck it, tilt the galaxy"
@googleisevil8958
@googleisevil8958 Жыл бұрын
Why does this sound like a conversation Grif and Simmons would have if they were Forerunners?
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@tenou213
@tenou213 Жыл бұрын
@@googleisevil8958 This explains the Forerunners' reaction to the Flood. That was clearly a Grif plan. The man could never conceive of a greater evil than starvation.
@nothanks9503
@nothanks9503 Жыл бұрын
@@tenou213damn this war has gone too far im hungry ... how do we make the flood hungry
@goingblargh
@goingblargh Жыл бұрын
“I’m sorry, librarian. I tried to stop them, but they said, and pardon my human vernacular- no offense-“ “Some taken.” “-‘Fuck the police.’ They then proceeded to tilt every galaxy in the universe.” “Stargazing’s going to give me a headache now…”
@synth8519
@synth8519 Жыл бұрын
This is basically when you piss off a Fallen Empire in Stellaris with 700K fleet power while you’re rocking 40 at best.
@byproductofcheese
@byproductofcheese Жыл бұрын
XD true
@johndoe-yb6zi
@johndoe-yb6zi Жыл бұрын
I should not have settled that holy world.
@csabaszasz4466
@csabaszasz4466 Жыл бұрын
isn't it funny how the ring worlds in stellaris just RESEMBLE halo ring worlds alot?...
@Blundabus1337
@Blundabus1337 Жыл бұрын
*Glances at his current game on grand admiral where he can pump out a million fleet power before a fallen empire could make it to his territory* So basically it's usually a stomp but somebody with a high enough power level, like myself or the emperor, could pull a Sheridan and tell them to get the hell out of our galaxy.
@comradecameron3726
@comradecameron3726 11 ай бұрын
@@csabaszasz4466No. It’s not. Ringworlds as a concept do not originate from Halo.
@midgetydeath
@midgetydeath 7 ай бұрын
Forerunners: “The use of a Ring against life outside of the strictest necessity to defeat the Flood is an absolutely forbidden abomination that can never be justified!” > Meets the Dark Eldar Also Forerunners: “Huh, the humans were right. There really _is_ an exception to everything.”
@livingglowstick1337
@livingglowstick1337 5 ай бұрын
Nukes the entire galaxy because that shit needs to be completely purged no buts
@Lupus_Indomitus
@Lupus_Indomitus 4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 so true.
@bedosar
@bedosar 4 ай бұрын
Thank
@sluggaboyzWC3
@sluggaboyzWC3 4 ай бұрын
Meanwhile the bloodravens are driving off with the ring to stash it around the death star they stole.
@wiaf8937
@wiaf8937 3 ай бұрын
@@sluggaboyzWC3 ring,. what ring. i never seen any ring here, what are you implying. *cocks bolter*
@Predator20357
@Predator20357 2 жыл бұрын
Basically, the Forerunner were given every Hype crew possible to show how powerful the Flood is.
@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
Well the flood is truly a knightmare. I mean the tyranids want to eat everything. The flood just want to destroy everything. They are similar but one is more destructive. Also machines aren't safe from the flood.
@Predator20357
@Predator20357 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanathor117 Yah but the Forerunners were given all of these feats to make the Flood seem even better.
@groovyhoovy2606
@groovyhoovy2606 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair the flood were made by the people who made the forerunners and some of the flood are literally the people who made and were betrayed by the forerunner’s
@forspartaaa2348
@forspartaaa2348 2 жыл бұрын
@@Predator20357 the flood got the win against forunners because of mendicant bias genuinely
@demetriusmiller2696
@demetriusmiller2696 2 жыл бұрын
@@forspartaaa2348 the flood was already on the winning side before they got Mendicant bias. He just seriously tipped the scale in there favor once he was turned.
@bloodbornduck9536
@bloodbornduck9536 2 жыл бұрын
I will be honest. The idea of dropping a halo ring into Commorragh and turning it on fills me with a visceral kind of joy that I’ve never felt before.
@leonelimalevu2199
@leonelimalevu2199 Жыл бұрын
I want it so badly to happen! Those bdsm addicts deserve it.
@TheLastSterling1304
@TheLastSterling1304 Жыл бұрын
Thing is, Halo has something similar to the webway; the Star Roads created by the Precursors based on neural physics. The halos were designed to target neural structures which included the Star Roads. Meaning if the Halos were fired in 40k, then Commorragh eventually get destroyed just be being in the Webway.
@human3745
@human3745 Жыл бұрын
It would probably significantly damage the warp (based on how minds affect it)
@russko118
@russko118 Жыл бұрын
@@human3745 even better for the forerunner, they don't use warp and impeding movent of the enemy is always good
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 Жыл бұрын
The forerunners might not do that, the Halos are considered a crime against the mantle and what Commoragh is from the perspective of the forerunners (as opposed to all the 40k factions who basically view avoiding war crimes and other ethical considerations with a "sure if there's time we might get round to it, if we're feeling especially benevolent" kind of attitude) is one giant hostage situation where they're obligated to at least try to rescue all the billions of torture slaves the Drukari have locked up in there. So more likely what we'd see is a massive interdimensional raid on the Deldar home in a hilarious reversal of fortune where all the people they so painstakingly kidnapped get yanked out from under them probably whilst a large portion of their forces are engaged elsewhere on a raid of their own, basically there'd be a diversionary attack on one of the city's primary entrances and whilst the bulk of Drukari military forces are occupied the massive cages and slave pits they have on every level of the city suddenly had massive slipsace portals open up inside them and suck all the occupants out. Then comes the WMD's systematically slicing apart their impossible towers and storming their bottomless labyrinths. The Homunculi covens might survive for a bit but when their bodies are completely annihilated and their slaves are all gone their souls will gradually bleed out of those pocket dimensions they shut them in right into the waiting arms of the chaos god they helped create all those millenia ago. The forerunners would probably save them for last, but when it came down to it, they wouldn't just kill them all, they would disassemble their entire civilisation on a meticulous level and probably capitalise on their victory by devolving them into whatever they were before the Old ones made them what they are.
@slyllamademon2652
@slyllamademon2652 Жыл бұрын
Imperium fan: *Makes argument that says forrunners won’t make it in 40k* The planet sized teleporter about to teleport terra into the middle of the ghoulstars:
@nimmha6708
@nimmha6708 Жыл бұрын
Necron fan: How cute.
@SirDankleberry
@SirDankleberry Жыл бұрын
Emperor sitting on his throne: *Psychically grabs Forerunner fleet* D E L E T E
@a.morphous66
@a.morphous66 Жыл бұрын
​@@SirDankleberry An Imperial battlefleet consists of over a hundred vessels, and by such a scale, the Emperor single-handedly destroying it may well be possible. But your species is so young, so naive. By the time of the Battle of the Maginot Sphere, the Forerunner Ecumene had been utterly devastated by three hundred years of war with the Flood, preceded by a highly weakening war with humanity. Nonetheless, at the very end of Forerunner civilization, Offensive Bias mustered a minuscule fleet of *10,999 ships.* His opponent, Mendicant Bias, commanded 4,802,019. Yeah, tell your gilded skeleton to try his best.
@derekfrost7751
@derekfrost7751 Жыл бұрын
@@SirDankleberry if the emperor is so powerful, why his imperium is so shitty?
@SirDankleberry
@SirDankleberry Жыл бұрын
@@derekfrost7751 Because he's been on life support. He still has miracles happen though.
@palladin1337
@palladin1337 Жыл бұрын
"...or the Orks are there in the usual number of 'yes.'" This is the best and most accurate description of the Orks in Warhammer I've ever seen, and I love it so much.
@atomicbuttocks
@atomicbuttocks Жыл бұрын
honestly i think itll be scary to have the orks wiped, mostly because you can just throw a conposer at them and bam, instant promethian army of yes
@aidenbaker8376
@aidenbaker8376 Жыл бұрын
​@@atomicbuttocksthat's just as hilarious as what pancreas said tbh 🤣
@matheusexpedito4577
@matheusexpedito4577 11 ай бұрын
​@@atomicbuttocksoh my, this army would be invicible
@petersonl1008
@petersonl1008 8 ай бұрын
😂
@denifnaf5874
@denifnaf5874 3 ай бұрын
Chaingunners revanants and archies in plutonia:
@adrienwatson2179
@adrienwatson2179 2 жыл бұрын
I like the trope of "Your amazing armor is our hazmat suit" Kind of like 40k Invincible Terminator Armor was pretty much for Farm work in the Dark age of technology
@spartanx9293
@spartanx9293 Жыл бұрын
Nope if I remember right Terminator armor was a kind of mining or exosuit
@MrLaz0rz
@MrLaz0rz Жыл бұрын
For work in starship reactors or something
@adrienwatson2179
@adrienwatson2179 Жыл бұрын
@@MrLaz0rz Yeah, i remember something about plasma drives/shielding
@NoNameTaken117
@NoNameTaken117 Жыл бұрын
@@spartanx9293 I never knew that, so basically theres a small chance that there is an stc of a more powerful armor somewhere in the galaxy where humanity or chaos can find and make it...
@excellentman5
@excellentman5 Жыл бұрын
Terminator Armor wasn't STC based, it was made by the Mechanicus during the Crusade. Originally it and the Mk3 PA was written as the response to Squat Homeworlds with close fighting requiring heavier armor, but now a days its just written as when the crusade needed heavier armor on campaign the MK3 was implemented first as a conversion stop gap and later Terminator Armor was put into production.
@4realm8rusirius
@4realm8rusirius 2 жыл бұрын
Reminder:The Halo Array is not made at the apex of Forerunner Empire it was made during their decline when they were fighting the Flood and already lost.Imagine what weapons of mass destruction they were able if they weren't weaken during the Human-Forerunner war
@user-iy7jo7bq4f
@user-iy7jo7bq4f 2 жыл бұрын
In fact, they had made prototype Halo rings that can *erase objects from existence* ... Not just kill an entire planet's life... The particles that made up those lifeforms just straight out deleted...
@DarkVargas-yv7qp
@DarkVargas-yv7qp 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-iy7jo7bq4f what book??
@koichidignitythief7429
@koichidignitythief7429 2 жыл бұрын
@@DarkVargas-yv7qp I think it was in the Forerunner Trilogy
@user-iy7jo7bq4f
@user-iy7jo7bq4f 2 жыл бұрын
@@DarkVargas-yv7qp Shadow of Intent
@DarkVargas-yv7qp
@DarkVargas-yv7qp 2 жыл бұрын
@@koichidignitythief7429 thanks!
@ClassicWafflesBreakfast
@ClassicWafflesBreakfast Жыл бұрын
I love the forerunners because they seem like the kind of people to sneeze and accidentally remove every last molecule of a world then go "Whoops, did it again."
@kyle18934
@kyle18934 11 ай бұрын
wipe the world clean to stop a sinus infection from the pollen
@Vaz44-4
@Vaz44-4 10 ай бұрын
They did something similar but with a small galaxy. They tried a Halo ring shooting it outside the galaxy, and then they got some info that apparently the blast had hit a smaller galaxy to the milky way and every living lifeform in that galaxy is dead.
@sophisthemlock246
@sophisthemlock246 10 ай бұрын
@@Vaz44-4 "oh..." "what happened?" "you know how we fired that Halo in a random direction" "yeah..." "I was checking the records and there's a galaxy there... with life" "oh..."
@Vaz44-4
@Vaz44-4 10 ай бұрын
@@sophisthemlock246 basically that
@asandax6
@asandax6 10 ай бұрын
They fucked a galaxy just destroy one species and dipped and were like "sorry we'll reset everything GGs".
@ssfbob456
@ssfbob456 Жыл бұрын
It should be noted that the Mantles Approach, the Didact's ship from Halo 4 that made the 3 mile long Infinity look tiny, was considered by the Forerunners to be the equivalent of a light frigate.
@icefl4re597
@icefl4re597 Жыл бұрын
What? It was a flagship of the Didact, which I assume hold a Class 18 combat skin and are the commander of the Warrior Servant Class. I think it would be equivalent to UNSC Infinity or Long Night of Solace. Supercarriers.
@ssfbob456
@ssfbob456 Жыл бұрын
@IceFl4re Nope, it was a specialized ship designed to use the Composer, not a true warship. Size and offensive power wise, it was about the quivenalnt of a light frigate to the Forerunners.
@casematecardinal
@casematecardinal Жыл бұрын
@@icefl4re597 it wasn't a warship. It was about the size of a light cruiser give or take a few kms. Think of it like a military tanker/repair ship. Of course it is armed and probably has some pretty powerful weapons but otherwise its main purpose was to support the fleet it was attached to by creating soldiers immune to the flood that could act as marines
@tbomb69
@tbomb69 Жыл бұрын
If these were modern ships then the mantles approach is a Nimitz carrier and the infinity would be a kayak
@icefl4re597
@icefl4re597 Жыл бұрын
@@casematecardinal It can't be a "light cruiser" sized. Halopedia listed Forerunner cruisers and ships and dreadnoughts too you know. They in general are 10 - 50 km sized. Mantle's Approach got to be a carrier equivalent.
@danroyeliminating265
@danroyeliminating265 2 жыл бұрын
The scary part was that ancient humanity was just as if not stronger than them being Sandwiched between flood and forerunner still didn’t die immediately. For a thousand years…
@yeetyeet5079
@yeetyeet5079 2 жыл бұрын
Nah ancient humanity may be similar one on one in power but was vastly outnumbered
@Darkgun231
@Darkgun231 2 жыл бұрын
@@yeetyeet5079 That's the point. If ancient humans, who were on their last legs, were able to fight against both Forerunners (who would be at their peak during first contact) and the Flood for a thousand years means that at their peak, humanity would theoretically be superior to the Forerunners.
@yeetyeet5079
@yeetyeet5079 2 жыл бұрын
@@Darkgun231 humanity also had the advantage of being the defenders
@Darkgun231
@Darkgun231 2 жыл бұрын
@@yeetyeet5079 True, true
@fadelsukoco3092
@fadelsukoco3092 2 жыл бұрын
The books establish the Ancient Humans (AH) as having an overall tech level easily rivalling that of the Forerunners, but still somewhat inferior to one degree or another. The sole exception of this seemed to be weapons technology, as there was a quote that goes something like "With the help of the San Shyuum ,the Humans had managed to create such offensive technologies that even my warrior-servants had no defense against", which extrapolated logically across a general scale, mean that they had weapons that could flat-out ignore any defense the Forerunner could put up, and these weapons had to have been common enough to help them stem the tide of hundreds to thousands of times and many troops and millions to billions of times as many disposable automated assets. Halo Warfleet literally states that battlefields between the Forerunenrs and other civilizations worth their notice would result in vast swarms of wreckage of disposable Forerunner weapon-drones, all of which was considered negligible losses. So for the AH to drain the numerically, technologically and industrially superior Forerunners to the extent that the Librarian believed that the Ecumene's military resources and psyche was so weakened from material losses and war fatigue that it weakened them enough that the Flood could defeat them 9000 years later, the AH would have to have fielded some serious shit. Oh, and did I mention that the full might of the Forerunner military could dictate practically every single battle, due to their superior understanding of Slipspace allowing them to jam and clog the FTL of AH fleets however they please and predict their movements to ambush them with impunity. And that the Didact could effectively fracture and isolate all the AH territories from each other to focus on just the absolute most strategically important target worlds at a time to make a beeline to Charum Hakkor to decapitate their central leadership? And that by the time the AH attacked Forerunner worlds to halt the spread of the Flood, their own empire was severely crippled by the Flood's efforts?
@UGNAvalon
@UGNAvalon Жыл бұрын
Necrons encounter Forerunners: “Meh, as long as you stay off our turf, we’ll leave you alone.” Necrons encounter Prometheans: “Oh… _OH…_ Now it’s personal. War In Heaven 2.0 baby!”
@spartanx9293
@spartanx9293 Жыл бұрын
Many forerunners consider the Prometheans to be abominations the librarian directly refers to them as such the only individuals who were forcibly turned into ones we're human Promethean used to just mean the elite troops that fought with the didact
@moguldamongrel3054
@moguldamongrel3054 Жыл бұрын
Prometheans?
@spartanx9293
@spartanx9293 Жыл бұрын
@@moguldamongrel3054 you don't know what the prometheans are? One of the primary enemy factions of halos 4 and 5? They are more or less created as a byproduct of the composer
@spartanx9293
@spartanx9293 Жыл бұрын
@The “Meat Chopper” Halo 4 was good
@heftymagic4814
@heftymagic4814 Жыл бұрын
@@spartanx9293 no it wasn't lmfao
@Nameless_rat
@Nameless_rat Жыл бұрын
Not to mention the forerunners advanced AI would be planning the overall battle, with AI banned in 40k that would be a HUGE disadvantage for everyone else
@gameid4646
@gameid4646 11 ай бұрын
lol. in W40K AI banned for good reason, they tend to betray their maker. even in Halo setting AI can be corrupted to fight their maker. so bringing Ai based weaponry to W40K will be just giving chaos a new toy
@youraveragescotsman7119
@youraveragescotsman7119 11 ай бұрын
@@gameid4646 Halo AI were corrupted mainly by Flood coming into contact with them. Chaos won't be able to touch them since the Forerunners don't use Warp travel.
@gameid4646
@gameid4646 11 ай бұрын
@@youraveragescotsman7119 tyranid don't use warp travel too but still can get influenced by nurgle. if im correct, no matter which franchise power go to W40k. it will magically became not special bc's every faction will have equal strengh. exception if those power have can wipeout the galaxy(or larger scale) in one act.
@youraveragescotsman7119
@youraveragescotsman7119 11 ай бұрын
@@gameid4646 They get influenced by his plagues that his followers spread. He doesn't personally fuck with them because if he did than the Tyranids wouldn't be such a problem.
@walterclements5632
@walterclements5632 10 ай бұрын
@@youraveragescotsman7119 So Tyranids wouldn't be able to do so? They're just as intelligent as the Flood as they too are a hivemind which gains the intelligence of whatever they control. They're a bigger threat than yhe Flood too if you ask me
@techpriest6962
@techpriest6962 11 ай бұрын
*Necrons:* Welcome to being technological gods, where the plot demands you still lose to lesser races.
@corvidcorax
@corvidcorax 8 ай бұрын
How they can lose any engagements to the Imperium, a civilization leagues more primitive, at all is ridiculous, yet here we are.
@Baragon999
@Baragon999 7 ай бұрын
Numbers from what I understand
@techpriest6962
@techpriest6962 7 ай бұрын
@@Baragon999 Sometimes in the case of an awakening tomb world, but in general it is often plot reasons that they lose battles. Like a hero accomplishing the impossible, or the usual heroics that save the day in science fiction settings.
@basic_avarage_person
@basic_avarage_person 6 ай бұрын
​@@corvidcorax do you know the term "they can't kill all of us" that's how. each neuron have like 5 million k/f
@IronFreakV
@IronFreakV 5 ай бұрын
@@corvidcorax Numbers - that's pretty much it. A newly awakneded Tomb World can usually be overcome by throwing enough men at it before it awakens further. But in the few cases where they've gone up against a fully awakaned Necron army they've usually gotten stomped, Orpheus War is good example of this
@Threaldaveoss
@Threaldaveoss 2 жыл бұрын
Neuron teir: Hmmm you are called Forerunners... prepare to be eradicated Forerunners: Hey... you ahhh maybe wanna have the whole metal curse removed and have your bodies returned? War over.
@casematecardinal
@casematecardinal Жыл бұрын
*home depot theme*
@user-cj9jk1pd4g
@user-cj9jk1pd4g Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, neuron teir
@Threaldaveoss
@Threaldaveoss Жыл бұрын
@高若嵩 Yeah it's the big brain teir as opposed to Necron Teir the dead brain type
@Googleisstupid-sk3hm
@Googleisstupid-sk3hm Жыл бұрын
Flood proceeds to numb numb. Ctan...hey that's our food. Flood: free real estates
@devenmalin5340
@devenmalin5340 2 жыл бұрын
Another thing that was briefly talked about in this video was the Forerunner AI. Literally everything had an AI, ranging from a house cleaning AI, to military grade AI that learned, adapted, and integrated enemy information into the domain instantly. Mendicant Bias, for example was a Forerunner super AI that was given command of the entire Forerunner military during the end of the Forerunner - Flood war. It was able to actually manage to push back the Flood for a time being (until the logic plague happened).
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't exactly at the end of the war, decidedly Mendicant Bias's betrayal is the primary reason the forerunners lost that war. It was Offensive Bias that commanded the ecumane in at the end of the war and it was Offensive Bias that methodically cut apart, cornered and captured mendicant Bias after the Halo array wiped out his flood infested ships. I like Mendicant but I think Offensive Bias deserves more love.
@jonathanoriley8260
@jonathanoriley8260 2 жыл бұрын
@@seekingabsolution1907 Offensive Bias is the GOAT, and it's a shame that 343, in their infinite stupidity decided to give us HALO 4, 5, and Infinite rather than give us a story involving Offensive Bias. After all, we have no information on what happened to Offensive Bias nor what it decided to do after beating Mendicant Bias. Offensive Bias has to still be out there somewhere in the galaxy.
@gracecalis5421
@gracecalis5421 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanoriley8260 They did namedrop Offensive Bias in the legendary ending of Infinite.
@jonathanoriley8260
@jonathanoriley8260 Жыл бұрын
@@gracecalis5421 Why should I care when 343's storyline up to that point was trash? Too little, too late.
@gracecalis5421
@gracecalis5421 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanoriley8260 While the games themselves were pretty weak in writing, especially 5, we owe a lot of the expanded universe to 343's efforts. The Forerunners as we know it today is crafted entirely by 343; they were shrouded in complete mystery in the Bungie era. Offensive and Mendicant Bias only exist the way they do because of 343.
@NeverAfterLive
@NeverAfterLive Жыл бұрын
the "catapult a star at them for funsies" got me XD i can whole heartedly see that happening, forerunner weapon tech was beyond ridiculous.
@conscripthornet4430
@conscripthornet4430 10 ай бұрын
If you think that's beyond ridiculous you won't even begin to fathom the Precursors, the Precursors literally threw GALAXIES around like they were toys and the Didact himself shit his pants when he realized what the Precursors were capable of and couldn't explain how the Forerunners ever "beat" them.
@net343
@net343 5 ай бұрын
Worst part is that in a fucked up way the orks would enjoy it
@argentshrike516
@argentshrike516 Жыл бұрын
The Ark had a planet in the center that was mined to create more Halos. Also, it could slipspace in a new planert.
@Nagrachlp
@Nagrachlp 10 ай бұрын
Would have been funny if they would have slipspaced in there own homeworld during the testtrun of the ark. "eeeeh small whoopsie, nothing to see here"
@alicorn3924
@alicorn3924 6 ай бұрын
​@@Nagrachlp (woosh me first) with how advanced forerunner slipspace tech is, i don't think that's plausible
@papapalps2415
@papapalps2415 6 ай бұрын
@@Nagrachlp The Forerunners, to boot, also didn't actually have a homeworld by that point. Or rather, they ditched it ages ago. The closest is a gas giant-sized artifical structure they used as their capital.
@demonbot6617
@demonbot6617 5 ай бұрын
@@Nagrachlpmaethrilian wouldnt actually fit in the lesser ark
@demonbot6617
@demonbot6617 5 ай бұрын
and thats the lesser ark
@pancreasnowork9939
@pancreasnowork9939 2 жыл бұрын
Honorable mentions of Forerunner tech I forgot to bring up also include building their own Hive Mind they used almost exclusively for their Judicial System and nothing else, building Fortress Worlds they could move around the galaxy, and that time they fired the Halo Array at an entirely separate galaxy.
@amyvoegerl6349
@amyvoegerl6349 2 жыл бұрын
And mendicant/Offensive Bias
@thehermitman822
@thehermitman822 2 жыл бұрын
That mean true democratic judgements by all citizens or all high members of Forerunner society?
@foxnut13
@foxnut13 2 жыл бұрын
What book did they yeet the Halos at another galaxy? Thats new to me lol
@pancreasnowork9939
@pancreasnowork9939 2 жыл бұрын
@@foxnut13 silentium, I believe.
@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
Oh and hard light for their ships and simulations/ environment. Hardened light. That shit is light weight and nigh indestructible.
@daverage4729
@daverage4729 2 жыл бұрын
Old Ones: "Pssst...hey kid, you want our Tech?" Tau: "Hell yeah!!" Annnd the Forerunners are born!
@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
Halo theme begins.
@Marthe535
@Marthe535 2 жыл бұрын
Well it would be cool to see how T’au would be in around 10k years
@Solemnus88
@Solemnus88 2 жыл бұрын
@@Marthe535 and the necrons killed the old ones off, so how would the forerunners do really?
@_NIKOS9_NIKOS
@_NIKOS9_NIKOS 2 жыл бұрын
@@Solemnus88 Actually the Necrons were beaten, it was the following Enslaver invasion that killed most of the old ones
@Sinahji
@Sinahji 2 жыл бұрын
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS Killin the Creators of Ancient Eldar and Krorks Made the C´tan litarally to Pokemon for Powering thier stuff Necrons werent couldnt use the Warp at all so they were nearly Imun to Enslaver Krorks were without Guidance Eldar in war with the Warp The Necrons had Imortality, no Real Enemys Compared to the C´tan and Old Ones They Decided it wasnt Worth to Fight over the "bit" Time over the Ancient Eldar, even Heavily Weakend without Old Ones, they had still the Tech of them So its Wrong to sa the Necrons were beaten, the Silent King just left his People Sleeping knowing Krorks and Ancient Eldar are around and doesnt give a sh.. at all^^
@ohio5157
@ohio5157 Жыл бұрын
11:17 don’t know if this makes it better or worse but they didn’t drag a star there. they made a star there
@wolfwarrior1176
@wolfwarrior1176 11 ай бұрын
...tbh i think that makes it worse. They MADE A FUCKING SUN!
@ajh3461
@ajh3461 9 ай бұрын
"No Sun" ~ Kalador Draigo TTS
@Trippyllamacorn7047
@Trippyllamacorn7047 9 ай бұрын
My sense of scale has been irreparably damaged by issac aurther (great channel) that my first thought was really a star is impressive it’s just a bunch of gas in one spot not even that efficient
@ls200076
@ls200076 8 ай бұрын
​@@Trippyllamacorn7047ooooh, nice
@willoe55
@willoe55 5 ай бұрын
Moving a star isn't hard. We currently could do that (not in practice, but the technology exists). But making a star, just the sheer amount of material needed for that is what makes it impressive.
@net343
@net343 Жыл бұрын
Bypassing the warp is really useful for traveling through the 40k galaxy
@DRKTROOPER15
@DRKTROOPER15 2 жыл бұрын
This video is just a casual reminder of how absolutely horrifyingly OP the Flood at max strength is if it was able to take down the Forerunners. Like most OP thing in Fiction
@dalek--ck9oy
@dalek--ck9oy 2 жыл бұрын
That just kinda makes everything boring
@redacted6680
@redacted6680 2 жыл бұрын
and the fun part is that for a minute or two, you actually think you have a chance (very early stages)
@jhr891
@jhr891 2 жыл бұрын
Not even close
@darkmagn
@darkmagn 2 жыл бұрын
The photonic birds in the Series he mentioned with big bang rifles would make any sci-fi universe wish they just had to deal with the flood. I'm not kidding.
@bruhfunnies3441
@bruhfunnies3441 2 жыл бұрын
@@dalek--ck9oy >in the comments of a 40K video
@GreyKnightsVenerable
@GreyKnightsVenerable 2 жыл бұрын
You know, the funny thing is that the ancient humans only lost to the forerunners because they were already super busy keeping the flood at bay, but the ancient humans from halo would actually very likely win had this not been the case.
@fadelsukoco3092
@fadelsukoco3092 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's right! In Primordium, Forthencho explicitly states in Chakas' head that the AH very nearly won the war, which sounds utterly insane at first considering what happened, but considering that the Didact saw the AH as the biggest threat to the Ecumene and second-greatest military power in existence (this was BEFORE they started stealing, reverse-engineering, and studying how to fight the tech and tactics of the Forerunners shortly before they invaded to keep away from the Flood) and the Librarian believed that the principle factor that led the the Forerunners being weak enough for the Flood to overwhelm them millennia later was the losses in both material and manpower that the Ecumene lost in the Human-Forerunner Wars, which was implied to have nearly depleted the Forerunner war machine and most likely cast a sense of species-wide PTSD and War-weariness. This was likely what was meant by the AH having the possibility of "winning" if things had been a bit different. By all accounts the Human-Forerunner Wars were essentially like Space-Vietnam for the Forerunners, effect on the public consciousness and all. That, and despite the AH being far more militarized and rapid in their population growth and technological innovation than the Ecumene, the Forerunners still held a degree of technological superiority in most fields and they had effective control over nearly the entire galaxy, meaning practically unlimited resources and and exponentially-larger industrial base. The capabilities of your average Human soldier and Warrior-servant and their associated war machines and vehicles would be roughly equivalent if not skewed in favor of the Humans since they had more experience waging war and not being the peerless supreme rulers of the galaxy. They were also exponentially outnumbered by the Forerunners in pretty much every metric, meaning that they would have held on for far longer than they did if they had more resources to work with. This is made even more clear by the way that the Siege of Charum Hakkor ended. The Didact, with the united full might of the Ecumene at the height of it's military, political and industrial competence (they demilitarized and got lazy and corrupt to all hell afterwards towards the Silentium era) was hammering away at ta SINGLE-ASS PLANET of Ancient Humans who had absolutely no support whatsoever, and even after 53 continuous years of this, there was no end in sight. Halo Mythos even explicitly says that were it not for the San Shyuum's betrayal that allowed the Didact to bypass the defenses of Charum Hakkor, the siege would have lasted indefinitely. Indefinitely. As in, the most advanced empire that existed at the time, whose tech allowed them to calculate and anticipate battle strategies across numerous dimensions at once and have an eldritch archive of all the collected knowledge of their species and one that existed since before the universe even existed, could not calculate or simulate any feasible way in which the siege of the AH capital world could ever end, at least on purpose.
@pasindudinusha6507
@pasindudinusha6507 Жыл бұрын
But you should know ancient humans fought the war against forerunners with the Shan Shyuum's help. They weren't fighting forerunners all by themselves.
@aurelian2668
@aurelian2668 Жыл бұрын
@@pasindudinusha6507 shan shayum was just basically a vassal though, they werent really that amazing nor many to change the tide of war.
@YoRHaUnit2Babe
@YoRHaUnit2Babe Жыл бұрын
so us smart monkes were more powerful than the Forerunners?
@randomdude6446
@randomdude6446 Жыл бұрын
@@YoRHaUnit2Babe in the past apparently
@StragetyMTG
@StragetyMTG 9 ай бұрын
I think Guilty Spark refers to the Spartan Armor as technologically a "Tier 2" armor, and recommends that Master Chief change into at least a "Tier 12" armor class before fighting the flood. Considering that his definition of armor seems to be simply a means to defend oneself from hostility, it suggests to me that in Guilty Spark's eye, something like chainmail or hard leather armor would be considered Tier 1 armor. This is all to say that the technological leap from one tier to another (assuming each tier is equidistant from the others) is essentially equal to the leap from a suit of medieval armor and the on Mark 5 Mjolnir Power Armor. A "Tier 3" armor set would therefore be as technologically and practically superior to Mk. 5 armor as medieval armor is. "Tier 4" armor would then make "Tier 3" armor look like antiquated garbage. As a reminder, "Tier 12" armor is the MINIMUM tier of armor that Guilty Spark recommends Master Chief to switch into if he even wants to stand a chance against the flood. Long story short, the gap between Master Chief's own armor class and that of the Forerunners is AT LEAST 6 size times as big as the gap between basic medieval armor and the Mark 5 Spartan II Armor.
@darokdeed
@darokdeed 7 ай бұрын
Following your logic Tier 12 armor turns you into a god that erases reality, did Guilty Spark ever classify anything besides tier 2, or do you just pull all of your comments out of your ass?
@immortalwarrior2695
@immortalwarrior2695 7 ай бұрын
​@@darokdeedI mean it is mentioned in multiple Halo books based on forerunners
@darokdeed
@darokdeed 7 ай бұрын
@@immortalwarrior2695 what exactly is mentioned that tier 1 is basic medieval armor and it increases by like a 1000 each tier? like i said that means tier 12 means god level capabilities to warp time space and reality with an snap of your finger and basically become superman son goku or Saitama.
@StragetyMTG
@StragetyMTG 7 ай бұрын
@@darokdeed It's my understanding that the Forerunners could warp space at least, they teleport often and seem to make things materialize from nothing. They even went to war with, and defeated, the Precursors, who were essentially the Halo Universe's Gods. I went back to find the quote, to be sure. Gulty Spark says, ""May I suggest that you upgrade to at least a Class-Twelve combat skin? Your current model only scans as a Class-Two, which is ill-suited for this kind of work." That being said, I can agree that Guilty Spark never explicitly defines the technological gap from one level to the next. I do, however, reason that Tier 0 armor is likely the complete absence of any protective armor. Now, even if we disagree that Tier 1 isn't rudimentary armor, it must lay somewhere between literal nothing and Master Chief's Mark 5 armor. As I said in the original comment, assuming that the difference in scaling from one tier to the next is roughly equivalent, then the armor would, logically, need to be AT LEAST six times more advanced than it currently is, to be equipped to handle the flood. Remember, the Forerunners basically killed God and even they couldn't defeat the flood without sacrificing most sentient lives in the galaxy.
@PBRatLord
@PBRatLord 7 ай бұрын
@@darokdeed Did you not watch the video? The Forerunners and Ancient Humanity practically were gods, not even counting Precursors. Sooo, yes. Yes, 'class 12 combat skins' would be essentially make you a god-like being. Forerunners are literally more OP than most modern and historical conceptions of God my guy XD
@jaredtenney329
@jaredtenney329 Жыл бұрын
"...Or the orks are there in there in the usual ork number of yes" had me dying.
@12_gageshotgun90
@12_gageshotgun90 2 жыл бұрын
Two other forerunner flexes. In some of the novels the unsc was messing with a forerunner slipspace engine and somehow ended up hundreds of years in the past which means the forerunners had time travel. There was also that time they tilted the axis of the entire galaxy simple because they could.
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 2 жыл бұрын
Thats the events of I Luv Bees right?
@thehermitman822
@thehermitman822 2 жыл бұрын
What were the repercussions of that axis tilt?
@12_gageshotgun90
@12_gageshotgun90 2 жыл бұрын
@@thehermitman822 as far as I can remember, none.
@sentientwaffle535
@sentientwaffle535 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, I doubt the time travel was an intentional function. I haven’t read the book but that sounds like an accident
@12_gageshotgun90
@12_gageshotgun90 2 жыл бұрын
@@sentientwaffle535 I mean I feel like it would be pretty hard not to notice that you could time travel with your own technology that you've been using for millions of year.
@sethleoric2598
@sethleoric2598 2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry guys, Jimmy the named guardsman can beat them.
@pancreasnowork9939
@pancreasnowork9939 2 жыл бұрын
Jimmy the Named Guardsman is a god among gods
@jammin1881
@jammin1881 Жыл бұрын
Add in some commissar gaunt type plot armour with the right author and you have a god killer killing higher god powers 🤣
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 Жыл бұрын
The power of named characters eclipses all technology and magic.
@KaptifLaDistillerie
@KaptifLaDistillerie Жыл бұрын
He can't beat Jimmy Rings though
@moxxiiscarlett7141
@moxxiiscarlett7141 Жыл бұрын
We have Chips Dubbo
@azurewraith2585
@azurewraith2585 Жыл бұрын
Plot twist that the tyranids are coming into the 40k universe to escape the forerunners
@omgwtfhaxfan1221003
@omgwtfhaxfan1221003 5 ай бұрын
that also happen to be attempting an escape from the flood. Man there is some serious food chain shit lol.
@Impartial_Sojourner
@Impartial_Sojourner Жыл бұрын
Every Organic Forerunner Warrior has basically a predictive simulation of the battle in front them, running real-time and adjusts to incoming variables, while they sense8 to nearby comrades who are doing the same.
@kokaomf
@kokaomf Жыл бұрын
Forerunners: discover the Dark Eldar and Commoragh. Also Forerunners, 1 second later: *[ D E L E T E ]*
@starhammer5247
@starhammer5247 Жыл бұрын
The Mantle would force them to invade Commoragh personally to try and save whoever they could, but if that's not possible, then when they get to the delete button, they're bringing the auto clicker.
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 Жыл бұрын
@@starhammer5247 I'm glad someone else concurs about this. I love the idea of someone going the extra mile to rescue everyone in Commorragh. Like, that's such a flex morally, technologically and militarily speaking.
@starhammer5247
@starhammer5247 Жыл бұрын
@@seekingabsolution1907 And is exactly something they would do even without the mantle, they enjoy lording their superiority over others when they can.
@Airsickword
@Airsickword Жыл бұрын
@@seekingabsolution1907 is it really moral if your doing it for clout?
@starhammer5247
@starhammer5247 Жыл бұрын
@user-od6zj7ws7f When did I say anything about humans? The only thing I mentioned was a joke on auto-clickers.
@dashiellgillingham4579
@dashiellgillingham4579 2 жыл бұрын
I’m convinced that, for the first three Halo games, the lore was that humans were the Forerunners. That’s why their technology readily answers to us as it’s reclaimers and why the Covenant leadership went mental and started saying some of the Forerunners were left behind when they encountered the humans on Harvest, glassing all of us to prevent this terrible truth from coming to light. Also 343 Guilty Spark says it to Master Chief’s face in the second to last cutscene of Halo 3. “You ARE forerunner!”
@boomerack6074
@boomerack6074 2 жыл бұрын
In Halo 3, the terminals also threw away this idea as it shows a report of Forerunners cataloging the ancient species of humans that were on earth for reseeding. So nope, Halo CE and 2, probably, but by Halo 3 that idea was thrown away to show that Guilty Spark was just insane.
@JackofNoTrades634
@JackofNoTrades634 2 жыл бұрын
No wrong but they are the inheritors
@rabidrabids5348
@rabidrabids5348 2 жыл бұрын
@@boomerack6074 Well it's mentioned in the Forerunner saga books that Humans and Forerunners are extremely genetically similar.
@agonefire
@agonefire 2 жыл бұрын
In the original trilogy Bungie hadn’t quite decided what to settle on for the Forerunners. The terminals in Halo 3 answered that humanity was NOT forerunner (altho Sparks dialogue kind of contradicts that), but they were just Easter eggs thrown in last minute. 343 Industries was the one that actually fleshed out the Forerunners (to mixed reactions)
@isaacfoster1377
@isaacfoster1377 2 жыл бұрын
That used to be cannon but they decided against to add more of a "variety" of species.
@randomomega9966
@randomomega9966 Жыл бұрын
Chaos Gods: Exist Forerunners: No Chaos Gods: *Turns to dust and screaming emoji*
@Blundabus1337
@Blundabus1337 Жыл бұрын
Malal: . . .again?
@PeterRudesindus
@PeterRudesindus 10 ай бұрын
Chaos Gods can look into the future, time travel and open portals in anywhere in the galaxy. Also the second a forerunner dies, his souls appears in the warp and is extracted of all its knowledge. Hell even if they don't die, chaos will just come to them and if the forerunners ever completely block out the warp, they will just die from losing their own souls. Nice suicide you did there.
@AsahiMiyagi
@AsahiMiyagi 10 ай бұрын
​@@PeterRudesindus friend, when a forerunner dies, unless it's by the flood their soul or "gene song" as they call it, passes onto the next forerunner who inherited their genes through genetic mutation or if they previously uploaded their conscience/soul into the domain, that is where their will go until a new body is created or they're reincarnated. Otherwise the Flood causes them permanent death and sends them to the well of souls where all meet at the end of time
@pillarmenn1936
@pillarmenn1936 10 ай бұрын
@@PeterRudesindus Here's the problem. GALAXY. The Chaos Gods are limited within the galaxy while the forerunners aren't. If the Necrons have the ability to Shrek the Chaos Gods, the multi-galactic spanning empire will do an even betterer job than them.
@PeterRudesindus
@PeterRudesindus 10 ай бұрын
@@pillarmenn1936 So the war starts with all 40k factions locked in place fighting each other and the forerunners coming from outside the galaxy, already knowing all the relevant facts about the warp beforehand and just needing a bit of time to finish necron pilon suppression tech. Also warp only exists inside one galaxy, not the whole 40k universe and the forerunners are at least on the tech lvl of the Stargods which are much older and smart than they are. Well if all of that is true then yes, sure. I could think up a similar scenario for every 40k faction though. The more I think about it the more i am convinced that the forerunners are inferior to 40k humans, at least if they both had the same starting point.
@michelecastellotti9172
@michelecastellotti9172 Жыл бұрын
Xeelee, Daleks, Time lords and Forerunners would absolutely dominate the 40k galaxy, but pretty also any other universe conceivable considering that each of these races can destroy/create galaxies while drunk on a tuesday afternoon
@claypidgeon4807
@claypidgeon4807 Жыл бұрын
The Daleks will need to lean heavily on their superweapons to deal with the topmost 40K stuff. This said, if so armed, and using the superweapons intelligently with these weapons then one single Dalek could fight a hundred Imperiums and win easily. The Dalek may have to wait for the Warp to calm depending on how you decide things work but that’s nothing a little time travel can’t account for.
@user-xf6ih4lh1x
@user-xf6ih4lh1x Жыл бұрын
Daleks and Time Lords, yes. Xeelee? Depends on a few things and what time period. During the WiH? No. Not even close. As for Forerunners? Nah. They'd get casually shit on. There is an argument to be made that the IoM could probably defeat them. People just wank the shit out of Forerunners without proof. But undisputably, the Necrons casually shit on the Forerunners. Even in current times. And in pretty much every way. Production capabilities. Travel times. Firepower. Durability. Technology levels.
@indigowest6894
@indigowest6894 Жыл бұрын
​@@user-xf6ih4lh1x Aight, let's compare Xeelee and Necron, and we'll even go by your metric, shall we? 1. Production capabilities; The Xeelee use *galaxies* as construction material. And they don't use one or two. No, they use an *entire supercluster of billions of galaxies*. Point me to one instance of the Necrons coming even close to such a feat. 2. Travel Times; This isn't a contest lol. Standard Xeelee ships are capable of crossing the Universe in a week. Oh, and did I mention they can pull off casual *time travel*? To as far back as the *Big Bang*? They would literally time travel to before the Necrons existed and snipe their planet out of existence. 3. Firepower; Xeelee possess *handheld pistols* that destroy *stars*. Your argument is invalid. 4. Durability: Xeelee ships are built out of literal space-time. They can survive within the event horizons of black holes and the supernovae of stars without even needing a shield of some sort. Technology Levels: Humanity in the Xeeleeverse would stomp WiH Necrons without the slightest effort. These humans were literally trying to collapse an infinite nultiverse into one single meta-reality where every human who ever died would live again, and all human suffering would be eradicated, no matter how paradoxical it would be. They'd simply brute force it. The Xeelee? Stomped that humanity back into the literal Stone Ages from the heights they reached. Go ahead. Try to argue the Necrons would be anything more than a blip to the Xeelee.
@user-xf6ih4lh1x
@user-xf6ih4lh1x Жыл бұрын
@@indigowest6894 A small shard of a C'tan was capable of throwing the mass of an entire galaxy casually, in a fight. This happened during the current setting after they re-awakened. Not even close to a full powered C'tan. Mag'ladroth is literally the embodiment of all space and time. The Old Ones used a weapon called the Tower of Heaven that was capable of remaking the entire universe with nothing but thought. The C'tan could counter it and vice-versa. Necrons have created entire universes as large as their own. Generally they use them as storage and prisons. Necron ships also chill in stars. Again, current time. Hard to say what the max speed of the Necrons are. They have methods to cross the galaxy nearly instantly. Not even talking about Dolem gates. They have at least three methods of transportation. The Necrons can casually time travel as well. One of their punishments is to send criminals forward in time millions of years. Also, they have devices like the Breath of the Gods which was capable of destroying entire universes/timelines. It was powered by only a small shard of a C'tan. Also, it was a human that had no idea what how to use the device that did so, let alone what a Necron would have been capable of with it.
@berilsevvalbekret772
@berilsevvalbekret772 Жыл бұрын
@@user-xf6ih4lh1x ummm no. You are just making shit up at this point.
@skeletoninatuxedo7147
@skeletoninatuxedo7147 Жыл бұрын
16:15 the only other thing that might minorly confuse the forerunners is a boarding torpedo, like since nobody cares about the torpedo coming at them (not even going at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light L bozo), the space marines in said boarding torpedo just bang on the forerunners ship hull screaming "LET US IN! WE ARE THE EMPERORS ANGELS OF DEATH AND YOU WILL FACE US IN FAIR COMBAT" but muffled.
@generizze6243
@generizze6243 Жыл бұрын
A warrior servant can pretty much solo a campany of space marines.
@skeletoninatuxedo7147
@skeletoninatuxedo7147 Жыл бұрын
@@generizze6243 the janitor would casually open the door, go outside, and kill them with a hyper advanced vacuum cleaner that could probably suck entire planets into it
@somebodywhoisdefiantlyanot3284
@somebodywhoisdefiantlyanot3284 Жыл бұрын
@@skeletoninatuxedo7147 “Ye hear something about xenos jeff?” “No get back to cleaning.”
@skeletoninatuxedo7147
@skeletoninatuxedo7147 Жыл бұрын
@lurkingcarrier8736 considering how dummy space marines are, I just assume they would punch the the 'spacetime no longer intersects correctly' fields until it looked worse off than a guardsman encountering a khorne berserker, that is, if its GW writing the story and if its ultramarines.
@televisedidiocy1851
@televisedidiocy1851 Жыл бұрын
I laughed to hard at the image of a forerunner looking at them the same way you would a bug being on your windscreen, just "ugh!? ***erradication***"
@godhandstan3908
@godhandstan3908 2 жыл бұрын
So,i would argue some dynasties of the necrons can be reasoned with, given how many of them still obsess over regaining their fleshy bodies and would happily submit to a superior species who could do that, and then improve those meat-shells to beyond peak condition, seeing as that's why they started the war with the old ones to begin with.
@joshuafarrington3649
@joshuafarrington3649 2 жыл бұрын
Necrons are far too arrogant to 'submit' to another race. They'd likely bargain or make deals.
@gnoffhoff5296
@gnoffhoff5296 2 жыл бұрын
But they would plot about how to kill the Forerunners because they're dicks
@Nverdis
@Nverdis 2 жыл бұрын
To tell you the truth pal, I think the Necrons are the MOST likely race IN 40k that COULD be reasoned with
@hentaihaven8552
@hentaihaven8552 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nverdis I would say the Tau or eldar if it benefits them to some degree but yeah third. Remember most necrons don´t care enough to talk to vermin
@sebastianls412
@sebastianls412 2 жыл бұрын
@@hentaihaven8552 they would view the foerunners as a) a threat and b) a source for imortallity that doesnt screw you over
@MarkTomczak
@MarkTomczak Жыл бұрын
Love it. One minor quibble (because everyone loves theoretical physics ;) ): Slipspace isn't full of chaos gods and can't be corrupted like the Warp, but it can be "used up"---too much galactic-scale slipspace travel renders it unstable and increases the energy needed to traverse it safely, even past the capabilities of Forerunner ships to generate in a short amount of time. And unsafe use of slipspace by the Forerunners risks the same effects the Covenant and UNSC sometimes encounter. It can even be "broken" (which the Flood do at the height of their power). And in the final battle between the Flood and the Forerunner's AI servants, after the Halos were fired and all life in the galaxy was dead, the last fleet-battle-grade AI, freed from the constraints of protecting its organic crews, weaponized slipspace in a way not fully explained because it's not fully comprehensible by a mortal mind...
@witherskull5823
@witherskull5823 9 ай бұрын
I just love the "and then they threw a star at them" line 😂
@MaeljinRajah
@MaeljinRajah 2 жыл бұрын
The only faction that wouldn't be crushed by the forerunners would be the Tau because they would join them immediately.
@thehermitman822
@thehermitman822 2 жыл бұрын
"Do you know da way?" "The Greatest Good has arrived."
@flandermander4952
@flandermander4952 2 жыл бұрын
a single forerunner would tunnel into 40k just for funsies and start trying to make the tiny shitty aliens he found into a galactic threat while keeping his existence secret. thus creating the T'au, they aren't there yet, but they will be.
@Marthe535
@Marthe535 2 жыл бұрын
@@flandermander4952 well that would be a acctualy ok origin storie diffrent name and boom as some one playing T’au that would be a little cool
@VitoIsPuffBunny
@VitoIsPuffBunny 2 жыл бұрын
Implying that the flood wasnt a zeentch 7d chess play.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
@aprinnyonbreak1290 2 жыл бұрын
Orkz have a good chance. If they loot some choice Forerunner bitz, things can go downhill very quickly. Orkz looting Halo rings is bad enough as it is. You ever see a Halo ring painted red, covered in spikey bits, and with the safety pried off, and the firing stub welded down? Galactic purging of life, on full auto, and da Mekk in da control room hasn't even pushed the big red button yet. And with some noisemakers on the ring, because the dakka wasn't loud enough.
@boomerack6074
@boomerack6074 2 жыл бұрын
I feel I need to add one feat that was a single throwaway line in the book that truly shows how powerful they were, and that was when the forerunners were questioning if they should tilt the axis of the galactic plane. No reason for it, just to see if they could.
@christiedt9818
@christiedt9818 Жыл бұрын
@Emmanuel Appiah Boateng they wanted to gangster lean the galaxy, just to see if they could.
@theonewhouploadsnothing1704
@theonewhouploadsnothing1704 Жыл бұрын
This makes me think of all the casual shit talk the forerunners would have on a day to day basis. Just them arguing that “no, tilting the galaxy does not a have a beneficial purpose,” with replies of, “it be funny though”
@fadelsukoco3092
@fadelsukoco3092 Жыл бұрын
@@theonewhouploadsnothing1704 Yeah, and their everyday power-generation technology basically involved draining entire nascent universes dry on a regular basis.
@Brainflayer
@Brainflayer Жыл бұрын
Forerunners when confronted by Chaos "Oh no. Anyway"
@SMmania123
@SMmania123 Жыл бұрын
Forerunners, are kind of in another league. They make superweapons with ease. And thrive in the light of technological dominance.
@havoc989
@havoc989 9 ай бұрын
they are basically any peak 40k civilization I mean peak humans where monsters, and dont forget the old races peaks
@kingcobb4712
@kingcobb4712 2 ай бұрын
There tech would become chaos curropted the momment they got there
@kingcobb4712
@kingcobb4712 2 ай бұрын
You forget chaos can see the future mening they would know of there arival in to the universe and would put all of there force into curopting them
@davidos8760
@davidos8760 2 ай бұрын
@@kingcobb4712it wouldn’t, the reason AI in 40K and other shit get corrupted in 40K is its shitty unlike forerunner tech
@kingcobb4712
@kingcobb4712 2 ай бұрын
@@davidos8760 my guy if something doesn't have a soul chaos can corrupt it very easily and has very little to do with the actual makeup of the AI itself
@greggillespie8259
@greggillespie8259 Жыл бұрын
Tried talking about this as a friendly debate in my local group to get the unsurprising response of “hur durr, 40k win because space marine so strong”
@lennardchurch8483
@lennardchurch8483 Жыл бұрын
That's 40k fans for you.
@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460
@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Жыл бұрын
@@lennardchurch8483 Yeah, pretty much. God, I am really starting to hate the fandom.
@Micmag-
@Micmag- Жыл бұрын
With enough fanboys and autism any factual information is blocked out of there minds
@SirDankleberry
@SirDankleberry Жыл бұрын
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Then don't join.
@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460
@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Жыл бұрын
@@SirDankleberry I mean, how can anyone join when the prices for models cost you an arm and a leg?
@harveykaiba
@harveykaiba Жыл бұрын
Not only did they build an extragalactic station, they did it TWICE. Also, I recall the 3 million worlds number was the *official* count by the Ecumene government, but I think they had way more than the number listed, at least the Builders did.
@slimerewoods5766
@slimerewoods5766 Жыл бұрын
The extragalactic station isn’t even really much of a feat as well as the forerunners were more than easily capable of going to other galaxies, they just didn’t have any interest in it as they were happy as is
@anthonypadilla8334
@anthonypadilla8334 Жыл бұрын
@@slimerewoods5766 they actually did go to another galaxy called path kethona look up halo silentium
@anthonypadilla8334
@anthonypadilla8334 Жыл бұрын
The ark we see in halo 3 is funnily the SMALLER ONE its called the lesser ark and meant to build the final improved versions of the Halo array. The Greater ark which was the original was to manufacture the 30,000km sized original halo rings vs the lesser arks 10,000km sized halo rings. Id probably guess since the greater ark produced halo rimgs 3× the size of the lesser ark that the greater ark was probably appx 375,000km in diameter.
@livingglowstick1337
@livingglowstick1337 5 ай бұрын
​@@anthonypadilla8334and the original 12 halo rings where insanely powerful omega halo killed all life in a galaxy using it's directed energy weapon by firing it for a split second
@LennoxParsec
@LennoxParsec Жыл бұрын
Promethians had something like Spartan Time, basically all the division mind is connected, each of them can see the battlefield of a whole planet as a static image, analice it, and take actions as a hivemind, frame by frame.
@jonathandoherty9082
@jonathandoherty9082 Жыл бұрын
Coming back to this after a few months, I just remembered, The forerunners have the guardians which can shut down ALL tech and destroy planets lol
@walterclements5632
@walterclements5632 10 ай бұрын
That's 343 so it's totally bullshit.
@jonathandoherty9082
@jonathandoherty9082 10 ай бұрын
@@walterclements5632 the guardians were always a thing, their lore just wasn't expanded upon until 343 took over
@walterclements5632
@walterclements5632 10 ай бұрын
@@jonathandoherty9082 That's literally the same thing lol
@anna-flora999
@anna-flora999 9 ай бұрын
​@@walterclements5632ah, that brings back memories. Of bitter bronies that couldn't accept twilight becoming a princess.
@walterclements5632
@walterclements5632 9 ай бұрын
@@anna-flora999 what
@demondeity9816
@demondeity9816 2 жыл бұрын
A thing to mention how powerful the forerunner industry is. The ark seems to be able to make a planet sized ring in a couple of months because once the first ring was destroyed, another one was almost completed by the time halo 3 happens. After halo 3 a halo ring ripped itself apart and spammed into the ark. The ark while damaged survived a planet sized object slamming into it and remained functional. Following this the ark managed to not only completely repair itself where it doesn't even have a scratch but also made a brand new halo ring to replace the one that slammed into it. All in 7 years.
@bunbox
@bunbox 2 жыл бұрын
At first I was like "Isn't this just the eldar?" Then the video continued.... ...yeah no this is on a whole other level.
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 2 жыл бұрын
The Eldar wish they could have reached the Forerunners heights.
@thehermitman822
@thehermitman822 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Space Elves.
@cnut7383
@cnut7383 2 жыл бұрын
War in heaven eldar or current eldar
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 2 жыл бұрын
@@cnut7383 depends whos writing the Eldar. In one book there's this Eldar machine that can basically make almostbanything magically appear which is better than what the forerunners have but in most other examples I've heard they're on par or worse than the forerunners.
@blacktemplarterminator6058
@blacktemplarterminator6058 2 жыл бұрын
About halfway through I was impressed by their capabilities, but then by the end I was like "oh these guys are just the golden age eldar but with some sprinkles of necron-ish tech"
@bonusbone5118
@bonusbone5118 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the forerunners just sent rings outside the galaxy and dusted all the tryanids
@fanatic9926
@fanatic9926 9 ай бұрын
The problem is we don't know how many nids there are
@davidos8760
@davidos8760 8 ай бұрын
@@fanatic9926doesn’t matter rings op
@thepowerofluck2432
@thepowerofluck2432 8 ай бұрын
​@fanatic9926 Then 1 of 2 things will happen. They'll all be dead because the rings, if set up like that, can have a galaxy wide radius and then basically everything is reset back to 0 before life is presumably reseeded. Or 2, if the full range isn't used, a lot will still die, making a massive blow to them
@NaatClark
@NaatClark 5 ай бұрын
@@davidos8760 And then the Necrons get pissed about the missing biomass and happily dismantle all the rings.
@davidos8760
@davidos8760 5 ай бұрын
@@NaatClark the rings automatic defense and rebuilt systems dismantling them all while a single Forerunner frigate solos the entire species
@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606
@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 Ай бұрын
20:50 "oh, you want to give me power, huh? Y'know, your 'warp' dimension _is_ giving off a good bit of energy... Aaaaaaand it's A battery now."
@Ornzora
@Ornzora Жыл бұрын
Okay, now im imagining how old necron find Forerunner instead of Old one Necrontyr : Sir, please, we have cancer ! Forerunner : Wow, thats a big ship and a lot of colony going into war you have there ! Okay become monkey ! Necrontyr : Wait wha... *become monkey without cancer, and happily live their life*
@eternallylearning2811
@eternallylearning2811 Жыл бұрын
The thing is it's their sun that's the problem
@erwannthietart3602
@erwannthietart3602 Жыл бұрын
But gets cancer again because they arent litteraly semi gods and still call upon the Ct'ann "shatter the Galaxy time"
@joshrobins130
@joshrobins130 Жыл бұрын
@@eternallylearning2811 The infinite and the Divine basically explained this. Even when they went offworld, they still had this problem with short-lives and the cancer developing. It basically was so baked into their DNA that every attempt at getting rid of it just straight up didn't work. Hence BioTransference.
@eternallylearning2811
@eternallylearning2811 Жыл бұрын
@@joshrobins130 yeah that sucks
@basudebsarkar5487
@basudebsarkar5487 Жыл бұрын
@@joshrobins130 forerunners were masters and gods of genetics
@corbindick8943
@corbindick8943 2 жыл бұрын
I like stuff like this the forerunners are terrifyingly powerful
@terminator572
@terminator572 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah and the Flood is even woooooorse, I get it.
@inductivegrunt94
@inductivegrunt94 2 жыл бұрын
The Halos alone could kill everything but the Neceons easily.
@combineeliteunit8769
@combineeliteunit8769 2 жыл бұрын
@@inductivegrunt94 except Chaos
@inductivegrunt94
@inductivegrunt94 2 жыл бұрын
@@combineeliteunit8769 Chaos dies without belief from their followers, no followers means so belief, no belief mean no power for Chaos, no power mean no Chaos. Chaos dies in the end with the Forerunners being victorious.
@combineeliteunit8769
@combineeliteunit8769 2 жыл бұрын
@@inductivegrunt94 Daemons are fragments of their patron god, each god of Chaos is literally the embodiment of a concept, respectively: Violence, Pleasures, Disease and Decay, and Science/knowledge or pursuit of wanting to know something. And Forerunners are no different to having these concepts in their society. So GG, Forerunners get Infiltrated by cults of their own kind and go down hard
@thegethconsensus393
@thegethconsensus393 Жыл бұрын
Basically The Forerunners would save the galaxy. The imperium would be smashed and mankind would be liberated from tyranny. The Eldar would be aloud to thrive again and all the bad stuff would be wiped out or neutralized.
@aldrixlevy228
@aldrixlevy228 Жыл бұрын
Bringing them to 40k is like bringing the Old Ones back to the current setting. It's not fair.
@axios4702
@axios4702 2 жыл бұрын
This helped finally put into perspective the War in Heaven for me. 3, technically 5 species if you count the Old Ones and C'tan, with the power of the Forerunners duking it out in all out war... Holy shit... No wonder the Realm of Souls turned into the Warp, we should be glad we still have a galaxy.
@anderelamaro3815
@anderelamaro3815 2 жыл бұрын
Forerruners can barely be on par with DAOT. War in heaven is hell for them.
@ohamatchhams
@ohamatchhams Жыл бұрын
@@anderelamaro3815 No it's not, in fact the informations about DAOT is so scarce as in the Warhammer 40k books since both of GW Black Library authors and 40K fanboys are pussied out about more DAOT and War in Heaven exposure, that at most the DAOT technological peaks being only star snuffers and black hole shooters, when Forerunners are already written to have so much more peaks beyond Milky Way Galaxy DAOT Humans are still Dark Age of Technology in terms of scales, the 40K fanboys exaggerations of it's settings can get as stupid as claiming 4 chaos gods as "outerversal" when it's not, they can't even conquer Terra despite claiming Emperor as their "Anathema", 40K lore is so skewed that it's anachronistic, non-sequitur and unreliably childish for supposedly super-edgy and "vast" settings Even All Tomorrows and SCP stuffs already surpass 40K and later Dune Books have Paul Atreides became so strong that he can break the convents of Fate, not even interred Emperor on the Golden Throne can breaks Fate, at most he can only be electrocuting fencing lines to cornering at the guard of children's park, if 4 Chaos gods being equated as "pedophiles", Emperor can't even permanently eliminate 4 chaos gods either as the 4 chaos gods' grip are severely limited and still wholly dependent on Milky Way galaxy alone, I would argue Doom Slayer with few plot-device shenanigans and DMC Dante/Vergil can 1v1 kill a chaos god permanently
@anderelamaro3815
@anderelamaro3815 Жыл бұрын
@@ohamatchhams That is one long Bible written by some clear 40k hater. Why not take this to a forum? Where there you can post the evidence claiming Forerruners were capable of being extra galactic shit. And then we can argue about chaos gods and all that nonsense. Because as far as we know, all halo fans do is tell but don't show any evidence. I could go and take literal canon quotes and post them here, but again, I prefer forums where we can post this without soany problems that is YT comment system
@user-iy7jo7bq4f
@user-iy7jo7bq4f Жыл бұрын
@@anderelamaro3815 Which forums?
@user-iy7jo7bq4f
@user-iy7jo7bq4f Жыл бұрын
@@anderelamaro3815 "From those inner secrets, Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, *move stars* , and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other spaces-slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon-only realm called the Glow." Halo Cryptum, ch.10 “You *shuffled planets* ?” “ *Yes* ,” the Didact said. “Humans are naturally purists. They resent having to live with other species. In fact, they’re among the most contentious, bigoted, self-centered…..” He looked back at Riser and Chakas. “I never understood how my wife tolerated them.” Halo Cryptum, ch.11 "However their most prominent use of these methods came at the end of their civilization, when they were forced to prematurely induce *the death of countless stars* in order to purge sectors overrun by the parasite" Halo Encyclopedia, p.340 "The Forerunners' grasp of Slipspace technology was far more advanced than ours or the Covenant's," Dr. Halsey explained. "I believe this sphere resides in the center of the planet, encapsulated and protected by *a Slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality* ." Halo Ghost of Onyx That was in reference to Sarcophagus, a Shield World *2 AU* in diameter but compressed spatially to the size of a football... "When he refused, Cortana chose to make an example out of their kind, amassing *a group of guardians* around the Jiralhanae homeworld. The ancient machines unleashed *a coordinated blast* that completely destabilized the planet's core, *rending it to pieces* in one final catastrophic event." Halo Encyclopedia, p446 "Guardians were capable of *rending worlds into pieces* and reducing entire civilizations to debris fields." Halo Encyclopedia, ch.397 The Guardians were not actual warships, but policing constructs deployed before the need of a military intervention arose... Do you use Reddit?
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 2 жыл бұрын
The domain is also sort of the forerunner afterlife, it's worked into the neurophysics of the universe itself.
@raser4329
@raser4329 2 жыл бұрын
The Precursors made the domain, Forerunners just gained control of it. I'll also ignore Cortana using it because Halo 5 campaign triggers my fight or flight reflex.
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 2 жыл бұрын
@@raser4329 I am aware, I have read Silentium. It was a good book
@user-iy7jo7bq4f
@user-iy7jo7bq4f 2 жыл бұрын
@@raser4329 Similar to how Old Ones made the Webway while the Eldar just used it like free real estate...
@raser4329
@raser4329 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-iy7jo7bq4f Exactly like that. Nobody in the halo universe knows the domain wasn't made by the forerunners, even when Cortana takes control of it in Halo 5.
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 2 жыл бұрын
@@raser4329 the office of Naval intelligence does, they recovered the logs that Silentium is made up of so they recovered the librarians final testimony on earth.
@Mgauge
@Mgauge Жыл бұрын
One thing to remember is that Forerunners weren't limited to normal materials. The vast majority of their gear was at least partially solid light holograms. They could adjust these to take the properties of anything they needed at the time and last indefinitely. The books say that the Halos and Ark were unusual for not being made this way. That and they don't need food, water, or sleep thanks to their suits. So they had no need for supply lines or traditional manufacturing. Their logistics would make Guilliman weep in jealous rage.
@nidhoggr8193
@nidhoggr8193 Жыл бұрын
Pov your a drakarie(dark elf) looking up as a glowing hole opens up in the sky and a planet sized ring pops out of it. As the hole closes you stand there and think " what the heck is that, maybe some type of peace offering". " hay look it's glowing I wonder what that means" then you and every track of sentient life is wiped from existence.
@canooples5134
@canooples5134 Жыл бұрын
To think the forerunners had a good chance against 40k factions gives me chills as to what the flood can do
@nightterrors2976
@nightterrors2976 Жыл бұрын
Completely infects the 40k universe
@Bananakingchad
@Bananakingchad Жыл бұрын
They if have a galaxy hive mind can transcend reality eventually conquer the universe multiverse the dimensions themselves become aware that they are a concept and try to attain sentience in our world
@badjuju2721
@badjuju2721 Жыл бұрын
The flood is one of the most OP antagonists in fiction.
@Googleisstupid-sk3hm
@Googleisstupid-sk3hm Жыл бұрын
What do you expect when you mix a majority of op abilities. Quantum wrap reality powers, genetic memory down to DNA, able to take over various life forms, etc. It's as if fan fiction met 4chan and produce new chaos god
@JemRau
@JemRau Жыл бұрын
Nugle: Flood? Thats cute, lemme taste it. Oh hey giant roach(Tyranid) wanna have some Flood soup? Tyranid: No thanks bro. Wannabe gods taste like 💩
@MistahFox
@MistahFox 2 жыл бұрын
You can argue all you want about whether or not a Spartan could beat a Space Marine, but a Forerunner civilian easily could. Guilty Spark considers Master Chief's Mark 5 Mjolnir armor to be a class 2 combat skin, and woefully inadequate to fight the Flood. Despite how major an upgrade Mark 6 was, Spark doesn't even realize it's been changed. Class 1 combat skins would probably be medieval knight armor, and Spark says that protocol for a flood outbreak is everyone wearing at least Class 12. Forerunner civilians always wore combat skins of at least class 8 when they weren't under attack, and six more upgrades equivalent to the change between Medieval armor and the best technology the UNSC can offer in the 26th century is the Forerunner equivalent to a Covid mask. Also, Spark says in Halo: Point of Light that it was easily possible for all Forerunner civilians to integrate instant transportation technology into their armor, but long distance Slipspace travel was restricted to the military and transports by the government because every civilian transporting across the galaxy at once would create a time-space reconciliation bubble so severe it would destroy the universe. The Sentinels in the games are pathetic because they are designed to contain small Flood outbreaks, but the Onyx Sentinels are ridiculously OP. It took a team of Spartans heavy weapons and a lot of preparation to destroy just one, and they can never be destroyed in the same way twice (except with ridiculous firepower of course) because they learn, but they also combine together to increase their power. Just three combined can vaporize hills, but they also combined to create an entire planet and then destroyed a whole Covenant fleet in seconds. They were also reproducing every second, but they are ultimately just an automated security force and nothing compared to the Forerunner navy.
@thehermitman822
@thehermitman822 2 жыл бұрын
But would accelerating time in the warp even matter?
@JohnSmith-rg1ie
@JohnSmith-rg1ie 2 жыл бұрын
Cant they just a send a ton of robots through the eye of terror and wait a few month ? And blast the chaos gods with some super weapon ?
@aprinnyonbreak1290
@aprinnyonbreak1290 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, the Leviathan Dreadnought, my favorite Class 7 Combat Skin
@cr90captain89
@cr90captain89 2 жыл бұрын
@@thehermitman822 it would not since chaos is fueled by the material races, as long as life exists, as long as basic emotions exist: anger, ambition, gluttony & lust. in an ironic twist the flood would be the warps greatest enemy. while the forerunners would be sweeping the floor with the forces of 40k ( with the exception of the necrons, cant defend against a de atomizer after all) they would be impressed/ surprised about psykers (they would likely assume that humanity had tapped into neural physics), & how absolutely CHONKY humanities empire had grown, most of all i think them having literal immortals (emprer on a golden throne) would make the forerunners envious, as they had been chasing that with geash's for untold millions of years, to learn your genetic younger sibling has it ( even though its rare)will be a massive blow to their ego.
@toobig7150
@toobig7150 2 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget that the flood isn't a mindless parasite, they are a mutation of the most advanced species in the saga and can get so stupidly smart that they get jedi like powers at a planet sized scale. Throw a few flood in the warhammer universe and in a few weeks they most likely will band together with everyone (or simply force them) to fight the chaos, then turn on everyone else
@ender_slayer3
@ender_slayer3 Жыл бұрын
Silence fills the empty grave now that I have gone, but my mind is not at rest for questions linger on. The armored casket has fallen with his pallbearer, he has been torn from his shroud.
@soph1823
@soph1823 9 ай бұрын
the mantles approach in halo 4 was shot several times by every ODP around earth and it only just dropped the shields enough for the infinity to poke a small hole in the hull, thats thousands of gigatons of force
@lennardchurch8483
@lennardchurch8483 9 ай бұрын
... And that tiny hole self-sealed within a matter of seconds... then the shields came back up.
@papapalps2415
@papapalps2415 6 ай бұрын
That isn't really particularly impressive. There's no real reason to believe it was hit by EVERY ODP, as that's self evidently absurd, unless you think the ODPs are all located in one single direction, in one location, and besides of which, ODPs have a yield of a few gigatons, which is rather terribly unimpressive relative to virtually any naval weapon in 40k. A full naval narrage by a Imperium cruiser-grade or better ship should easily be in the teratons.
@phil3751
@phil3751 6 ай бұрын
@@papapalps2415 not really, nuclear weapons are still viable in 40k for ship combat, in the rogue trader rpg, and the Horus heresy series perturabo made nukes for ship combat. they say the only reason they aren't used more often is because they are expensive and not like oneshotting ships or anything, we've also seen how they function in the multiple instances where they detonate on top of cities, and its like a large tsar bomb, so if you shot enough tsar bombs at a ship, it goes down
@papapalps2415
@papapalps2415 6 ай бұрын
@@phil3751 "Not really, nuclear weapons are still viable in 40k..." I find myself growing increasingly tired of this routine, so I think it's time to end this; prove all your claims. Now.
@phil3751
@phil3751 6 ай бұрын
@@papapalps2415"warships of the Navis Imperialis and the Adeptus Astartes are outfitted with atomic weapons that can be deployed as part of an Exterminatus action or other orbital bombardment. They can also be deployed as the explosive ordnance used by Macrocannon batteries and torpedoes during ship-to-ship void combat." The warships of the Heretic Astartes and the forces of Chaos are outfitted with atomic weapons that can be deployed as part of an orbital bombardment or as the explosive ordnance used by Macrocannon batteries and torpedoes during ship-to-ship void combat.
@Delta_Lupus
@Delta_Lupus 2 жыл бұрын
I dislike the sentiment of *"No other Sci-Fi faction could Survive in 40K"*, because most of Warhammer 40k can't even survive Warhammer 40k. Every Major and/or Minor Faction is either a stroke of bad luck away from being extinguished, a Shadow of its former self or both.
@ravenknight4876
@ravenknight4876 2 жыл бұрын
Warhammer 40k factions are actually pretty weak when compared to most other franchises.
@HM-hd7up
@HM-hd7up 2 жыл бұрын
But what about necrons in their prime, they're kind of hard to beat.
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 2 жыл бұрын
@@HM-hd7up Key word; THEIR PRIME. No one in 40k is ever in their Prime anymore except MAYBE the Tyranids.
@jhr891
@jhr891 2 жыл бұрын
The sentiment of No other Sci-Fi faction could Survive in 40K boils down to what other civilizations could survive Lovecraftian nightmare. 40K universe isn't scary because of its military power. As you said most factions are behind their Zenit. But most civilizations tossed in would find themself under constant attack of soul-eroding corruption, with their kings becoming mad and for mad to become kings, everything only adding more layers to the game of insane gods. Factions in 40K are only able to exist there through extreme measures or by literally being designed to do so. I can only think few edge cases that could be capable of even just surviving in that universe and not becoming just part of the pointless meatgrinder. (and yes most of them are from Xeelee Sequence). Forerunners could maybe wipe out the galaxy but only to replace humans as the favorite snack for Chaos gods.
@PeachDragon_
@PeachDragon_ 2 жыл бұрын
And it's also bullshit in principle
@mackensieswanholm4996
@mackensieswanholm4996 2 жыл бұрын
the Gravemind would take one look at the humanity of 40k and instantly deem them unworthy of the mantel of responsibility and when that happens its over for their universe the only reason the UNSC survived at all is because they were still being tested
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 Жыл бұрын
Possibly not, it's entirely possible the flood genuinely want to consume everything now.
@mackensieswanholm4996
@mackensieswanholm4996 Жыл бұрын
@@seekingabsolution1907 it is possible that 343 will dumb the flood down but taking the flood from halo 2-3 they undeniably let humanity live to test them later
@KaptifLaDistillerie
@KaptifLaDistillerie Жыл бұрын
Humanity was not being tested by the flood, it was a trick of the Gravemind which left human worlds to attack forerunners ones and led the humans to believe that their strategy of genetically modifying people was the solution, which it wasn't, then humanity came on forerunners worlds to destroy the flood and it started the human-forerunner war
@mackensieswanholm4996
@mackensieswanholm4996 Жыл бұрын
@@KaptifLaDistillerie that was ancient humanity not current human which I was talking about And humanity are literally called the reclaimers (pre-343 they retconed it just refer to the master chief) by the forerunners and the precursors Humans being devolved and losing their technology are pretty much a entirely different civilization that is not longer great enough for the mantel hence them needing to be tested instead of just being handed it
@FakeFoxSR1
@FakeFoxSR1 9 ай бұрын
Also the forerunner could help the necrons regain organic bodies that might be neat
@idcgaming518
@idcgaming518 Жыл бұрын
5:31 "the usual ork number of yes" love that line.
@BossEvasion
@BossEvasion 2 жыл бұрын
I still wish we never truly saw the faces of the forerunners, with the Diadect being a potential exception since he’s described and depicted as extremely mutated. Legends placed their appearance on a pedestal for me, thinking them as a race of Super Sentai/Power Rangers. Just wanted to address my grievance, thanks for continuing this little series Pancreas.
@ultrimarines9198
@ultrimarines9198 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, which is why I like Lord of the Rings so much, Sauron is more of an evil force rather than a villain
@raser4329
@raser4329 2 жыл бұрын
@@ultrimarines9198 It also helps that when Sauron was in his physical form during the second age, going by the name Annatar, he was proven to have shape changing abilities. So it is quite possible to never see his true face.
@hermeister3870
@hermeister3870 2 жыл бұрын
in fact unaugmented forerunners (all adult forerunners were highly augmented) were VERY close in size and appearance to humans so yeah. oh i mean MODERN halo humans by the way, ancient humans, without augments, stood at eye level with forerunner soldiers. So yeah we're talking about low end primarch sized
@TheAgent0060
@TheAgent0060 2 жыл бұрын
You do seea Forerunners face. The Didacts wife
@grandsome1
@grandsome1 2 жыл бұрын
They should introduce more human looking forerunners for variety. Tough their current design would make most biologist conclude they're some sort of humans anyway.
@TheOneWhoShushes
@TheOneWhoShushes 2 жыл бұрын
Pancreas announces flood video coming up Me: *proceeds to write an eulogy for 40k* those poor lad aren’t ready for those things
@sakib6258
@sakib6258 2 жыл бұрын
I know my Flood lore from a single 20 min video and yet I still know the poor bastards in 40k are screwed.
@Naramsit
@Naramsit 2 жыл бұрын
40K already have 3 of those. They are the Orks, the Tyranids and Grandfather Nurgles pleagues. Each are a separate threat but works similarly to the flood. The Orks reproduce by spreading spores that grow and make new Orks. The Tyranid will kill all living creatures, dissolve them and absorb all biological material of a planet to make new creatures. Nurgles pleague is, well, a pleague. No living creature is immune to it, nothing can cure it. They may not necessarily die from it but they are now the servants of the pleague god.
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 2 жыл бұрын
I'm partial to the idea that the tyranids could immunize themselves to the flood but not to the idea that they wouldn't catch the logic plague as the overwhelming influence of the grave mind infiltrated their collective consciousness. A large enough flood outbreak begins to get borderline metaphysical as the ancient power of the precursors begins to rewrite reality around the floods advance, similar to the shadow in the warp it tends to make slipspace travel much harder and slower.
@spartanx9293
@spartanx9293 2 жыл бұрын
Technically they would be able to deal with an early phase flood infestation the later phases though that's where it becomes problematic
@immortalwarrior2695
@immortalwarrior2695 2 жыл бұрын
Flood is basically what happens if 4 chaos gods have sex with tyrannid hivemind and create a baby. Flood is super OP
@GreyKnight7777
@GreyKnight7777 5 ай бұрын
*Forerunner Activates Halo Array to Purge All Life* Necron 1: Did you feel something just now? Necron 2: No.
@mattparker1078
@mattparker1078 Жыл бұрын
If you could circle an entire planet with a ring ...it's impossible to fight back against that .
@clan741
@clan741 2 жыл бұрын
I will give more credit to the Necrons, they rebelled against the c’tan, godly and unkillable star beings, and WON. This is probably on par to when the Forerunners rebelled against the Precursers and won. Even if they are at their current weakest state their potential to smack back hard is still there as we do not fully know the extent of how many tomb worlds there are and how damn many of the robots there are in total.
@casematecardinal
@casematecardinal 2 жыл бұрын
Forerunner: -parks outside tomb world -makes it not exist -refuses to elaborate -leaves
@overlord4404
@overlord4404 2 жыл бұрын
@@casematecardinal Necron: - visits celestial orrery - snuffs out some lights -doesnt elaborate -leaves
@targitausrithux2320
@targitausrithux2320 2 жыл бұрын
@@casematecardinal >majority of the necrons in that tomb world get teleported to another one within their dynasty
@casematecardinal
@casematecardinal 2 жыл бұрын
@@targitausrithux2320 the poor necroms would be out of tomb worlds very quickly. Especially if the forerunners used slipspace to have a coordinated raid against all planets they could find.
@Motard.Actual
@Motard.Actual 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the Necrons have the power to control whole universes. I mean they can literally turn off fucking Suns lol.
@Micmag-
@Micmag- 2 жыл бұрын
As a Halo lore enjoyer allow me to explain the forerunners power in one sentence: The universe was a fucking playground for them.
@mattpryokra2245
@mattpryokra2245 2 жыл бұрын
L I T E R A L L Y 🤣
@grimnir8872
@grimnir8872 2 жыл бұрын
As a 40k lore enjoyer allow me to explain the settings actual backstory in one sentence: People like that were small time in the war in heaven.
@Dogue83
@Dogue83 2 жыл бұрын
They destroyed their own planet with their little science experiments, killed their creators out of prissy rage and stole the mantle from humanity out of jealousy, they are more arogant and conceited than the Eldar The Flood did everyone a favor /watch?v=GU4Hw-xbBNo
@sithlord5149
@sithlord5149 2 жыл бұрын
then why did they lose?
@grimnir8872
@grimnir8872 2 жыл бұрын
@@sithlord5149 Because they were an initial background advanced race and books quickly made them more and more retarded.
@Toaster8871
@Toaster8871 4 ай бұрын
Yeah the forerunners would basically wipe the floor with the imperium
@PhilosoShysGameChannel
@PhilosoShysGameChannel 7 ай бұрын
We can just hear all the Warhammer Waynes losing their shit over this single video! XD Thanks for Makin this!
@LAV-III
@LAV-III 2 жыл бұрын
Faber was a bad architect! There I said it. Sure he made the rings but god damn does he hate railings and has a nasty habit of making every room in the library the exact same. And don’t get me started on the glass floors which is a big safety hazard.
@thehermitman822
@thehermitman822 2 жыл бұрын
Fucking immortals can be so flippant about safety. I swear.
@nobleman9393
@nobleman9393 2 жыл бұрын
Faber: Who needs railings? we can fly! Librarian: Our successors are supposed to come here in the Future, what if they won't be able to fly? Faber: Shit!
@danielawesome36
@danielawesome36 2 жыл бұрын
@@nobleman9393 Random lower-ranked builder: "Sir! Imagine the amount of materials we would save for our still-decreasing fleet if we _didn't_ put any railing or safety guides!" Faber: "Hmm... That's quite convincing, actually. Okay, let's do it."
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 2 жыл бұрын
@@danielawesome36 yeah but huge portions of forerunner structures are made out of hardlight, it would cost them almost nothing to have some basic safety features, Faber put every person working on that ring in danger purely for the aesthetic.
@danielawesome36
@danielawesome36 2 жыл бұрын
@@seekingabsolution1907 Imagine if there _were_ safety features, but nobody ever found the ones for safety railings😳😳😳
@Connordaboss45
@Connordaboss45 2 жыл бұрын
Idk, the whole point of the forerunners was they were incredibly arrogant and stupid/short sighted. They "killed" their primordial creators because they thought they knew better. They got effected by mind games by both the flood and a precursor that resulted them into killing themselves. Think that's ripe for chaos to corrupt
@Marthe535
@Marthe535 2 жыл бұрын
Well that would be wierd like not wierd that it would happen but wierd that now chaos is technicly the ‘’good’’ guys that they lat waste to a invader that would be wierd but also a little bitt cool to see the forerunners getting torn apart in a war chaos is controlig from both sides as they think they are the superior to the other while,both are being corrupted
@TheTallGuy1992
@TheTallGuy1992 2 жыл бұрын
That's true... if Chaos was as effective as it say it is with it corruption. The Forerunner's for all their arrogance were not dumb or easily manipulated, the thing is the Flood not only waited till the Forerunners were at their 'weakest' to strike but also spread themselves out and appeared weak at first so they wouldn't be wiped out off the bat. the war with the flood lasted hundreds of years and if you know how the Flood operated, well you know that's a couple hundred years too long for any race. And Chaos itself doesn't do any favours for itself. Chaos can be stealthy for all of five minutes before it reveals itself to whatever poor planet it is on and the thing is if the Forerunners know about it, they can possible deal with it. This isn't the Imperium where they don't have the tech to develop anti-warp weapons or are so suppositious that they'd shoot anyone who has even a idea of their might be something big in the warp (part of the reason so many cults are hidden). this is a race of being that could mess with the galactic TILT when they were bored. Chaos has little that the Forerunners would want besides the validation of defeating them. Part of the reason the Flood were so effective against the Forerunners was that they were the antithesis of what the Mantle stood for and that their position that they had for MILLIONS of year with only one rival that they had defeated millennia ago was challenged but also that they were loosing 'quickly' (the ancient human-forerunner war lasted longer and humanity was also fighting the flood). Also a bit of a interesting thing, in lore it's said that the Precursors were going to wipe the Forerunners out so humanity would inherit the Mantle so the Forerunners retaliated in self-defence. Although this is under a 'could be a lie' banner, it's left ambiguous on purpose.
@slitherthewizardofwither6959
@slitherthewizardofwither6959 2 жыл бұрын
There's an interesting theory about that. The theory goes that the flood was always intended just with a different mode of delivery and amount of suffering and forerunner saw this and were horrified and turned on their creators. But ultimately what the precursors intended to happen happened anyways just in a different way (By the way this is an extremely butchered and dumb down version of the theory because it's been a while since I seen it)
@imperialhistati2348
@imperialhistati2348 2 жыл бұрын
There’s a problem with Chaos tho. It’s inherent uncontrollability. You can’t control the warp. Hence you can’t control chaos. Forerunners at the point they are, won’t fiddle with things they don’t understand.
@imperialhistati2348
@imperialhistati2348 2 жыл бұрын
Non of the chaos gods fit a standard to corruption for the forerunners.
@Yosh087
@Yosh087 Жыл бұрын
"The Orcs usual number of YES" no truer words were ever said about orcs
@savvminster4687
@savvminster4687 10 ай бұрын
I don’t think the orks would be too pissed about having “a star thrown at them for funzies” I think they would be quiet cool with such a battle and the glorious death that accompanies such a battle 😂
@Wormy_fren
@Wormy_fren 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the forerunners were made into boringly powerful to show that the flood are scary as hell. Which I can understand.
@ASBESTOS_EATER
@ASBESTOS_EATER 2 жыл бұрын
That's partly why I love them as a faction; a whole armada of stupidly overpowered tech and they lose to space dog food that went bad
@iona2225
@iona2225 2 жыл бұрын
And then you find out that the Flood are something else (spoilers) and it all seems to come to shape in terrifying symmetry; you're not reading a sci-fi prequel, you're reading a HORROR series of novels in a popular sci-fi setting. And made the Flood so insanely powerful that the Forerunners had to effectively destroy a part of the universe from 'outside' material physics (can't remember the specifics, just the concept that you can hear the Halo's effect actively coming at you from FTL even though you're just a normal dude on a planet as absolutely terrifying).
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 2 жыл бұрын
@@iona2225 The resonance effect of the Halo's firing seemed to bend time itself, with various instillations of the array recording firing echos hours before Bornstellar triggered it properly. To be fair, the Halo effect relies on Neural Physics like almost all Precursor relics did so it makes sense.
@ASBESTOS_EATER
@ASBESTOS_EATER 2 жыл бұрын
@@KillerOrca Whilst we're on the topic of Forerunner time bending shenanigans, why don't we bring up the Didact killing the Primordial by ageing him millions of years, in literal seconds using a Precursor Reverse Timelock. I don't think Greg Bear cared much for reality when writing Silentium
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed not. Though with slipspace, time itself is very WEIRD so its at least doable.
@phantomwraith1984
@phantomwraith1984 Жыл бұрын
Forerunners also had such a mastery of genetics and resurrection that Bornstellar exists in the current timeline as Master Chief. If Chief ever meets Offensive Bias, Offensive will likely call Chief his best friend and or master on the spot
@lennardchurch8483
@lennardchurch8483 Жыл бұрын
The lore doesn't state anywhere that Bornstellar left any imprints anywhere before retiring to a barren world with his wife to die. Master Chief did not receive Bornstellar's imprint. Guilty Spark was an unreliable narrator. Him referring to Chief as if he were someone else doesn't mean Chief is that other person.
@LuceroGaming
@LuceroGaming Жыл бұрын
343 guilty spark called master chief forerunner in halo 3
@casematecardinal
@casematecardinal Жыл бұрын
@@lennardchurch8483 chief was imprinted but the librarian never stated of who.
@lennardchurch8483
@lennardchurch8483 Жыл бұрын
​@@casematecardinal I listened to the dialogue closely, and the Librarian never told Chief he had the consciousness of another person implanted in his mind. Too many people conflate the Forerunners' ability to implant genetic commands on people with their ability to implant entire consciousnesses of people into others. These are not the same thing.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 Жыл бұрын
@@lennardchurch8483 yet Chief heard the Didact in his head thinking it was coms from the not dead one.
@mateusmessias360
@mateusmessias360 Жыл бұрын
Now you have to do a video on the Xeeleeverse's technology, you can't just mention weaponized big bangs and not go into extensive detail on it.
@yeetin_yeti69
@yeetin_yeti69 8 ай бұрын
The sun used for the ark basically has a Dyson sphere to assimilate a day/night cycle.
@wolf2403
@wolf2403 Жыл бұрын
All I can say is the sound of Blood Angels, Necrons, and Forerunners teaming up makes me very very happy. Mainly cuz I bet they would given how both of those 40k factions have teamed up with each other before so are open to alliances.
@nimmha6708
@nimmha6708 Жыл бұрын
All factions in every setting EVER would be open for alliance through one thing: An overpowered common enemy. I doubt Necrons and BA's would've came together if it wasn't for the Tyranids being too much for either of them 1v1
@skeletoninatuxedo7147
@skeletoninatuxedo7147 Жыл бұрын
6:27 - 6:52 I want someone to make a story where master chief gets a forerunner bodysuit / armor, I'm actually curious to see what would happen.
@starkill97
@starkill97 Жыл бұрын
A LOT of VERY DEAD covvies
@donutlovingwerewolf8837
@donutlovingwerewolf8837 Жыл бұрын
He'd be biologically immortal, be virtually indestructible to anything less than weapons bigger than Hunters, and possibly a better AI companion
@skeletoninatuxedo7147
@skeletoninatuxedo7147 Жыл бұрын
@@donutlovingwerewolf8837 ok yeah but what other changes would it make to the story? could he save sgt johnson? miranda keyes? could he have saved reach?
@donutlovingwerewolf8837
@donutlovingwerewolf8837 Жыл бұрын
@@skeletoninatuxedo7147 well he'd basically be able to shrug off everything the Covenant throws at him that isn't a Scarab or bombardment/glassing. Save Reach? I doubt it, he's one Spartan and he'd eventually be overwhelmed or be bombarded by covenant ships. But he might actually save a lot of people and get things done faster mow that significantly less things are capable of hurting him, although I doubt he could save Johnson considering they were all caught off guard
@skeletoninatuxedo7147
@skeletoninatuxedo7147 Жыл бұрын
@@donutlovingwerewolf8837 yeah but think about all the brand new advanced shit he has, if spartans are already able to dodge plasma fire and even bullets on occasion, the beam fired by guilty spark could be perceivable now. Even if you dont think he could do it by now, the suit probably has something that could say remote control guilty spark or just outright save johnson for him.
@diegobarba6597
@diegobarba6597 9 ай бұрын
I dont know why but I come back to this video a lot. It just so satisfying to watch and listen.
@Aabergm
@Aabergm 9 ай бұрын
My god you summarised the Forerunners so well and with humor. Well done
@thesuperintendent4290
@thesuperintendent4290 Жыл бұрын
13:20 You go into Slipspace in Atmosphere (At least with Covenant and UNSC technology). As a Slipspace drive creates tiny black holes that cause a rupture in time and space big enough for a ship to go in and out. You can go out of Slipspace with no problems as it just happens in Slipspace. But if you go in you will cause a Nuclear Explosion (As what happened in New Mombasa) as the black holes disappear due to Hawking radiation So this shits very expensive and valuable to the UNSC and the covenant as it costs more than the ship itself. So if the Forerunners use this as teleportation. They put the Imperium to shame.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile Star Trek's Iconians: loony tunes black dots their way into and out of forerunner ships.
@trentoskivich4211
@trentoskivich4211 2 жыл бұрын
Petition to get the Forerunners to park a halo ring outside comorragh and set it off however many times as necessary
@necromatic9490
@necromatic9490 2 жыл бұрын
sign me up as fast as possible
@MothFable
@MothFable Жыл бұрын
Hell fuckin yes, I’m signing that shit
@tacticaltyler6792
@tacticaltyler6792 Жыл бұрын
Singular Halo exists 40k Universe: 😮
@bluelightstudios6191
@bluelightstudios6191 Жыл бұрын
it's crazy to think how bad the flood must've been if they could take down an empire as big and powerful as the forerunners
@Dragonfruits_
@Dragonfruits_ Жыл бұрын
Wait till you learn they held off the forerunners for 290 years while controlling only 12 planetary systems. The forerunners at the time had over 3 million worlds but couldn’t push back the flood.
@bigbangrafa8435
@bigbangrafa8435 2 жыл бұрын
That was really scary. I was just recommended the Covenant video, and as It finished the notification for this imediatelly showed up. Great video by the way, but damn, I guess the algorith is not only sentient but also psychic. Anyway, let's just say that If the Forerunners showed up right in the middle of the War in Heaven, the war would have never ended. Yes, I believe they are just that powerful, to the point of bringing up a stalemate between two Godly factions. It would be incredibly funny to see these three factions just pulling up the most insane, reality-warping, universe-killing weapons on a daily basis. The Tyranid Hivemind would look at It from dark space and think "Nope, let's try the Star Wars one".
@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine the interim coalition of planets from xeelee sequence enter 40k. That would be a sight to see. Hard sci fi vs space fantasy.
@thorshammer7883
@thorshammer7883 2 жыл бұрын
I heard the Interim Coalition was even worse then the Imperium of Man and yet they were still super powerful.
@ssjjshawn
@ssjjshawn 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine the Chaos Gods vs The Transcendence
@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
@@ssjjshawn imagine C'tan vs downstreamers. Star sucking vampires vs cosmic astronaut humans.
@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorshammer7883 RIP god emperor, again.
@jonathanathor117
@jonathanathor117 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorshammer7883 Well they are a deconstruction of the whole "humanity fuck yeah trope" kind of like how watchmen (the comic) was a deconstruction of certain superhero tropes. Funny thing is that in the end humanity in xeelee was somewhat spared i think. I mean didn't they leave the universe along with the xeelee and other bayronic matter with the help of the ring.
@Robert-cl2ft
@Robert-cl2ft Жыл бұрын
One faction from another series I know of the Ancients from Stargate SG1 were really advanced to the point they ascended into godhood because they felt like it, and their technology was so advanced to the point it was basically magic even to other really advanced races
@Furydragonstormer
@Furydragonstormer Жыл бұрын
Biased or not, there is this sense of joy in seeing things be thrown out to prove that Warhammer 40K isn't the strongest. Like, I'm partial to be biased towards Halo myself as it was my first sci fi shooter I played, but it's funny watching 40K fans just bluescreen at being proven that their world isn't the strongest out there.
@Leethesynn
@Leethesynn 2 жыл бұрын
To me, it seems like the Forerunners are not getting compared to their real 40k counterparts, the Old Ones. The old ones share almost everything with the Forerunners. From the highly advanced technology to the creed they follow which necessitates they sow life across the galaxy. I understand the old ones are extinct, but the forerunners discussed in the video are as well. A video discussing how those two factions would compete would be interesting.
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 2 жыл бұрын
No, the Old ones are more like The Precursors, the forerunners are more akin to the pre fall Eldar.
@osoaries
@osoaries 2 жыл бұрын
@@seekingabsolution1907 agreed
@lordsathariel4384
@lordsathariel4384 Жыл бұрын
the old one's are basically a lesser version of the precursors in terms of feats and the forerunners are basically better eldar but the main difference is unstead of following orders like the eldar did with the old one's the forerunners wiped the precursors out themselfs
@freddyfrog70
@freddyfrog70 Жыл бұрын
Yeah you need to see the precursors of the halo universe. They use neural physics to do reality warping, ie space magic
@Victor-dh6hc
@Victor-dh6hc Жыл бұрын
@@lordsathariel4384 I'm pretty knowledgeable about both universes lore, to say the old ones are a lesser version of anything is just false, and if we're talking about it already, a single Catan would cripple any military force, you get a couple together and nothing beats them, they are the physical embodiments of the constants of reality, they exist outside of all laws of the universe and are the closest thing to literal gods in either IP
@BlackSnake820
@BlackSnake820 2 жыл бұрын
Could the Forerunners accidentally create a new chaos god or entity along with the mantel of responsibility. the only thing that would need to be know is their footprint in the warp. As didn't the ancient eldar have very similar. whatever they wanted to exist tech before the birth of slaanesh
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 2 жыл бұрын
The forerunners have rich and disciplined spiritual lives based around the philosophical precepts of the Mantel which I can't help but think would be a great help against chaotic corruption, they even say prayers to it, given the scale of their population if they would have a footprint in the warp they'd birth a warp god of the mantel pretty quickly.
@7503funkymonkey
@7503funkymonkey Жыл бұрын
@@seekingabsolution1907 The thing is that the Warp is known for taking good things and turning it bad. Each of the 4 Chaos gods started out as good concepts. Khorne started out as honor, Slaanesh was self-improvement and self-satisfaction, Tzeentch was hope for something better, and Nurgle was perseverance and the will to endure adversity. It's just that the emotions started to run out of control when taken on the galactic scale and were corrupted and reverted into their current forms. Humanity's faith endures because humans no longer worship a concept. They worship a person who happens to be psychically alive (even if physically dead) and so can put direct the power of that faith. In many ways, it's a more primitive form of religion, but oddly enough, that's what makes it effective. The Craftworld Eldar are known to practice supremely disciplined lifestyles in their Path system as a way to stave off Chaos corruption, but it's always been clear that they barely keep Chaos at bay, and if it wasn't for their use of soul stones and the Webway as a psychic refuge, their souls would be devoured by Chaos, Slaanesh in particular. Assuming Forerunner souls register in the Warp, a God of the Mantle of Responsibility could pretty quickly be twisted into a malevolent entity, perhaps becoming the God of Domination, resonating with the basic instinct of a person seeking to dominate another. Ur-Didact seemed to embody this kind of twisted conception of the Mantle when he insisted that the Mantle was for the Forerunners and Forerunners alone, showing that to at least some not-insignificant portion of the Forerunner population used the Mantle as a cover for their own desire to dominate others, the same way Colonial European powers used to argue that as the Civilized People of the world, they had the duty to colonize the savages of the world and enlighten them, when we all know that that is just a load of self-serving bullshit (though no doubt, there were at least some Europeans who honestly believed in the White Man's Burden).
@jammin1881
@jammin1881 Жыл бұрын
@@seekingabsolution1907 Any sentient emotion or thought evencoukd stir the warp. Worship even could and can stir the warp.
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 Жыл бұрын
@@7503funkymonkey on the other hand the Eldar gods are manifested to some degree by the disciplined focused psychic power of the Eldar at the height of their civilisation. Those gods, those that survived remain protectors of the eldar well into the 42nd millennium. The warp manifestation of the Tauva in turn saved the 4th sphere of expansion fleet. It seems pretty clear that if enough people with a connection to the warp focus and indeed worship a concept as benevolent it will be benevolent. The chaos gods are a reflection not of worship and devotion but of the common experiences of soul bearing life forms and the reason they're so cruel and brutal is because they reflect the general state of the galaxy. Everyone is morally compromised and corrupt or more accurately everyone expects life to be corruption and suffering and to come to the worst because their loves have taught them it can't be any other way so the beings born from their collective subconscious world are amoral and corrupt and don't work to make the galaxy better.
@bovineavenger734
@bovineavenger734 Жыл бұрын
@@jammin1881 Which is why the Emperor was such a massive fedora.
@goingblargh
@goingblargh Жыл бұрын
The Tyranids would absolutely get nuked by the Halo array. The array was designed to target neural structures, so anything with a nervous system from a tiny, microscopic bug all the way up to a Bio-Titan would be krumped instantly.
@killerninja4416
@killerninja4416 4 ай бұрын
dose that mean that kinda the necrons would be immune to array? since they don't have any nervous system?
@goingblargh
@goingblargh 4 ай бұрын
@@killerninja4416 Obviously. Otherwise any ancilla the forerunner’s built would’ve died when the array was fired the first time.
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