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August is literally pumping so much content, producing at such a rate, the Destiny clips industriocomplex is being monopolized by this massive economy of scale, economically outpacing any competition, to manufacture and distribute all of it, right into my veins!

August really out here on that sigma grindset with these uploads. Keep it up!

I consider Destiny as being polite. It is considered rude to be indirect/beat around the bush for Germans. Because of that I consider someone like Demonmama as extremely rude and mean. Watching any video that has her in it is pure torture.

Hey, at least fanatiq did a good job as moderator for a change; he actually facilitated the conversation.

The reason people call destiny a victim blaming is because they want to say fuck you piece of shit to the stealther but destiny only wants to equip women so that these things wont happen to them. Its point the finger vs prevent future harm

Bro he's 19 saying the internet is becoming more toxic 😂😂😂

Okay I was a critic of Fanatiq's last few panels, but this one was really good and I hope he keeps the same pace for future panels like this one.

Seeing how people react to Destiny’s supposedly unpalatable or bigoted views, it would be hilarious to watch them confront people who actually have unorthodox opinions.

"You being mean is hateful" Oh fucking Christ, I always assumed as much, but hearing it just said like that really hits different

I am disgusted by the blatant kink-shaming some of these "leftists" as engaging in. Everyone knows retaliatory twitter antagonism is Destiny's kink. SMH my head, please do better people.

They really do build up Destiny’s arguments for him. If you have a history of having a trauma response during sexual encounters… don’t you think that especially means you shouldn’t be engaging in casual sex? With someone you don’t have much trust built with? C’mon.

19 year old has strong convictions of what society ought to do. I look forward to seeing this guy's perspective in 10 years lol.

Holy Shit. He did it, Fanatiq moderated. Good job man. Keep it up. And it wasn't 9 people shouting over each other! Will wonders never cease.

I've shat on Fanatiq before but he did a good job moderating here. Props

I know Fanatiq has had some rough goes of some of his recent panels, but I appreciate his attempts to create a less bloodsporty panel, and I think he's finding a better formula for it, at least as far as this panel went it felt like people were actually listening to each other.

I feel so bad for that guy who opened up the debate, you can tell he’s really nervous and kinda seems like he’s a bit torn on having to talk about this stuff to someone who’s opinion he values.

If being mean is ban worthy, then you're advocating that everyone Destiny has been mean to should also be banned. They aren't exactly nice to people who disagree with them.

I applaud these people coming out and stating their arguments or suggestions for Destiny. This was in all honesty a good faith discussion. Most of these people think the Ban is bs and were asked to come out with reasons as to why destiny was banned and what to change. It's a shame that most of the arguments end up boiling down to, don't generalise and be nicer. I don't disagree with a lot of this, but the only way you end up thinking Destiny is transphobic/racist/sexist/rapist is if you don't have any good faith. The sad truth is that more people are unfortunately idiots. :( TBC not the people in the debate. Just most people.

The Soy kid was endearing even if I didn't agree with him at all, I can respect someone who can be honest about their performance and admit when they lost. Hopefully he won't join the camp of the crazies in the future.

I get the Katee girl is trying to be reasonable but its to the point of invoking the enlightened centrist meme. She tries to ground Destiny's clams to be more "fair" when the actual situations or facts of the matter aren't compromisable. An example is when she argued "Don't you think after the trans-debate stuff you talked about on Prime Cayes might make some people come away thinking you could be transphobic" Destiny replies "No one would think this unless they think you have to unquestionably support trans people all the time" Katee scoffs and says "You know thats not..." I assume she was going to say what I'm saying. When that is the actual argument being thrown at Destiny, like when he quotes VivanWolf saying "Questioning the voracity of Trans Athletes is transphobic" But Katee assumes most of the criticism thrown at Destiny comes from this hyper rational, nuanced, and hyper-specific perspective she's using, when that's actually a mischaracterization of the criticisms people give him. No one who actually engages with Destiny's material thinks this, and its catering to people who would never care to actually investigate. She's being so charatiable to the other side she is outright misrepresents what they believe, giving them more cover than they deserve and its frustrating to listen to. Example to the example and context is 1:00:29

August, I hope you’re living comfortably because you put out amazing work!

I just wanna say that the first dude, don’t even know his name, did a fantastic job for someone who seemed to be incredibly nervous to talk to Destiny. Good for him.

Is this just a "I don't like how Destiny behaves panel"?, the same thing we've seen over and over? Edit: It is and Soy turns up his mic when he decides to 'assert himself' and say that mean = ban

This Soy guy is the most contradictory performer I've seen in a long time. The amount of times he can barely get a sentence out "asserting himself" before he corrects himself, apologizes for his word choice/hyperbole, or just backs down is hilarious to watch. He's a Nice Guy attempting to live his nonsensical morals and simultaneously realizing how impossible it is every moment he tries to speak.

Why is it that the expectations of conduct and sensitivity around language only apply one way? That the same people who want to be treated with a level of respect are the first ones to find labels and insults to sling in the other direction? The way to get respect is to offer it, not to demand it.

The future is fucked, this panel was pretty much saying if you don't preach what I believe you should be banned

You can really tell some people have never actually been socially ostracized or bullied.

How is anyone still talking about this tweet and why would so many random opinions matter... I just can't imagine being this sensitive over literally everything all the time.

Soy-section was waaaaay out of his league in this panel. he's still a child compared to the other panelists. He's too emotional and bases a lot of his takes on emotions like destiny being "mean". Soy at this point in his life is like Destiny when he was a libertarian, he hasn't had the life experience to understand perspective and real problems. He was the only panelist that could not relate to the xbox live analogy because he's too young to understand.

We need a panel of evidence cuz at this point I just wanna see people with screenshots and threads of ALL these tweets and harassment/brigading claims

Listening through this conversation, the basic takeaway is some people really enjoy opportunities to dictate authority over others and some people see that power as dangerous. Hating and shunning people who I consider to be hateful, is also an act of hate. It's just considered to be a justified act of hate against another. There is no way to ever eliminate this scenario from the world. Whomever strives for the elimination of all hate, lives in a fantasy world.

Glad to see August working hard to help make up for $$ losses from the twitch ban. Hopefully YT will be better for destiny in the long-run. & kudos to Fanatiq for better moderation. He took feedback & is improving 👏🏻 💞

I should thank my boss for firing me so I have enough time to watch all of this sweet sweet destiny content

I'm amazed at the out of body experience STVPhilly is experiencing at the 1:02:30 mark, that facial expression is worth a thousand words.

You know, for the most part I don''t look at chat, but the sheer amount of quotes from the debate had me reflexively checking chat and they made me die with laughter every goddamn time. One of of my favorites is Soy "asserting" themselves because they had been rolled for too long. Chat instantly full of Wojaks clapping in response, "Go off king!" "Yass assertive!" "omg so brave!" DGGers are the funniest self-aware people I've come across lmao (not a cult btw)

I just want to say that, as a black person, Destiny has never offended me with his language. I do not agree with 100% of his takes regarding race and society (maybe 95% of them) but he’s never offended me with racially insensitive language. I don’t agree with that critique at all.

He deadass says people should be banned for being too mean 😭😭 He can't admit he didn't think it through and sticks to his horrible take

my god the amount of people that are oversensitive is insane. I dont agree with every position destiny has but he def has alot of patience. Cant believe some individuals are pretty much saying you cant be mean on social platforms... mix that in with double standards and labeling any opposition (even if its a good argument) as "toxic" or "hate" is just a recipe for disaster.

Surprised it’s actually a good faith attempt to understand “controversial” points like “if a girl can’t assert her boundaries during sex then perhaps she should hold off on casual sex till she can.” Progress

The Gen Z kids really haven't seen what true suffering looks like. So many of them are stuck on this "speech is violence" idea.

"I don't know why we're nitpicking." Destiny: "Nitpick away. That's the point of this panel." I aspire to be as calm and open to listening as Destiny is when being criticized by 4 people at once.

Thank you for uploading. Was almost alone with my thoughts

Me being happy for another panel then instantly got sad when i heard it was a fanatiq panel

If there's any silver lining to Destiny's twitch ban it's the increased content uploads on KZfaq.

anyone who thinks they do a "net good" by posting on twitter is delusional

STV Philly was high as fuck the whole panel, it's honestly amazing that he could keep up with the conversation

Endless content while I work. Thank you August!

Explains position *PERFECTLY* "bUt ThAtS nOt WhAt YoU sAiD" YES IT FUCKING IS!!!! OPEN YOUR EARS!!!

Shoutout to the nascence of section, soyction whatever. Buddy displays some impressively rare self-awareness in closing statement to hold the L with head high, and the air of determination to learn from mistakes. Rooting for his ascent 📈🚀

Doesn't want blood sports, but also gets Destiny riled up with casual N bombs. When will he learn?

This panel was significantly less dusty than previous panels. Well done, Fanatiq.

I do love that destiny is open to having these types of conversations, most people wouldn’t be

Shout out to STV. A panelist who wants to have an actual discussion instead of screeching at Destiny.

This was a good conversation. Everyone participated in the conversation. There is no toxicity because this is not a debate, but a conversation. I hope there are more conversations and that fanatiq can conduct the conversation. Conversation

The "degenerate" comment is like the perfect example of why this entire situation is built upon lies. No one in this panel reacted when the online activist trans communiuty was called degenerate but Destiny's descriptor of subhuman was not okay? Exactly the same situation but he's held to a different standard.

"can we not talk about people like this" no, mock and ridicule shitty ideas. the world isnt all rainbows and butterflies and it shouldnt be

There really needs to be better online guidelines for attacking people like destiny. Links or clips of actual things someone said or did instead of summaries should be required. Look forward to watching this tomorrow ✌️

Here's the problem with STVPhilly's claim that black people were discriminated against in sports for the same reasons. That is absolutely false. Black people were discriminated against in sports because they were considered inferior. Obviously, they proved that idea false pretty quickly. Trans people's participation in women's sports is being questioned because they are clearly superior. Trans people aren't being barred from participating in sports. They can play in men's sports whenever they want. If the difference between men and women is as negligible as these people claim, then playing men's sports should be an obvious solution.

Keep up the good work August :)

Why does everyone make a claim & then immediately walk it back when they get pushed on it. Is this really the direction of online discourse?

Extremely salient critique of destiny: you can’t act like a different person/use hyper inflammatory rhetoric on Twitter in order to farm content for stream and then when you get to stream, you expect to have a nuanced, respectful discussion. What’s worse is that destiny then complains about the state of discourse online, when he is an essential part of that rotten discourse.

Most of these panels make me want to videogame myself but this roster of panelists was surprisingly engaging and cool to listen to, with pretty unique perspectives, good faiths, even honest admissions of being wrong.

wait, is this a reupload? havent we had this exact same conversation with the exact same talking points like 10 times already? is there a factory that produces humans to debate destiny on this exact same stealthing tweet immediately when they come off the conveyor belt?

@23:00 'a platform has a responsibility to ban things that are inflammatory'. To who? because inflammatory is subjective. Call it a hunch, but I'd bet this person doesn't care about banning things that are inflammatory to a devout Catholic. So basically this person is saying, 'I think platforms have a responsibility to ban opinions I don't like'. These people are insufferable, narcissistic, children.

Tbh for soyction to be 19 and put that young pride aside and say "I'm wrong" around 36:00 I had some respect for that

As a right winger who watches destiny out of respect it's wild that the first guy argument is "I don't like how destiny behaves on twitter"

I'm always quite impressed to see that Destiny is able to have these heady conversations while playing video games.

@1:29:30 yeah setting a threshold doesn't "necessarily" mean the threshold will just arbitrarily change, but he has ABSOLUTELY NO principled standard he is using to define "mean". He even says this "I don't have a formula we draw these ARBITRARY distinctions like this fairly frequently". So from his OWN words, the threshold ABSOLUTELY will change. If he can't give a precise line then the slippery slope is NOT a fallacy, it is the reality! What prevents the slippery slope from being illogical is the existence of hard standards, hard lines. "That is mean" is NOT a hard standard!

I wish that Steven had brought this back around to the actual harm of lefties infighting when spicy Twitter takes are 2000th down on the list of priorities. This type of prioritization breeds idiots like the Steven Crowder vs Steven debate, breeds echocucks like Hasan, prevents real progress. Find who smeared destiny in the campaigning arc and rectify that, because it's sad that any real progress gets weighed down by a spicy quote.

Please. August. If you aren’t doing the OG Intro jingle ever again. Please just…. Go back to the old thumbnails. PLEASE. I WANT TO RIP MY EYES OUT

I'll tell you why Destiny was banned from Twitch. The mods got their fefes hurt when he disagreed with them and decided to share his opinion.

That was actually a really nice panel. I enjoy those way more than the crazy 15 people screaming at each other and half of them just escaped the mental hospital panels.

I agree with destiny's take on the online trans activists. It's all Identity Politics with all the talking points and arguments, even with my layperson's understanding I can spot flaws in what they are saying, because it's all based on a narrative. A while back, I watched a Contrapoints video where she debated a Terf Character she created and she actually lost against her strawman.

Really enjoyed the convo, would like to talk again if I get the chance :D

It is BEYOND clear that you cannot talk about trans issues if you aren’t speaking overwhelming support for anything they think or want to do… Any whiff of a disagreement automatically makes you a transphobe or intolerant even when you are presenting a nuanced opinion

I love the start showing how much prep Fanatiq has indeed put into this: "I've taken time to carefully speak to each of you. Riz-ome (however you pronounce your name)..." don't you think that might be one of the things to find from those pre-talk conversations? :D

Anyone know approximately what % of Destiny's revenue came from Twitch? I'm a fan but I basically just watch his YT clips.

I love how civil this was. Even Section having a naive take was very good faith - what a lad.

People were kinda too harsh on the Soy guy imo, he's defending some pretty silly positions but he's clearly a pretty nice and smart kid

My man Fanatiq dropping the N-slur like he’s Vaush over here.

Hot take: Vtubers in debates is cringe.

The quality of content recently... I'm wondering if August is an AI bot... Getting better and better at such an incredible rate 😮👌

I once opened a civil engineeering textbook to a random page it was just a picture of destiny captioned "example of a structurally sound frame that can be built upon"

I think destiny and soy should have a one on one discussion

48:55 The heavy sigh here is very telling, oh no, she has to remember who said something before accusing Destiny of it, the horror, the horror!

I really enjoyed this panel. Solid discussion, good faith push-back with genuine attempts to respond to destiny with reasonable arguments and fnatic managing the panel exceptionally well for a change. All around really positive, and I'd like to see more like this moving forward.

The first guy makes literally no sense, saying "Maybe you should just pick your partner even better" is literally an example of victim blaming lmao

why is katee here?

The blonde is a professional victim

This is one of Fanatiq's best conversations. Civil, made ground, and moved the needle.

Literally I haven't heard a good take against on his stealthing position yet.

45:55 I personally don't really care about what Destiny says on Twitter, but I think even he would agree that "appearing to be a good person" is arguably more important than "being a good person" if most of your influence comes from the internet, as Destiny's does. It's the entire reason telling jokes in private vs public is even an argument he's made many times. Whether or not he's good to people privately seems pretty irrelevant to this topic.

Great content. Second-best KZfaqr after Rm Brown. Keep at it.

It seems like the only thing that can be a fair criticism is that Twitter might not be the best platform to do edgy comments/responses, even if completely justified, as 280 character bursts doesn't lend well to nuance or productive conversations. When Destiny explains his tweets in a conversation or debate, he seems to be able to convince anyone engaging in good faith that even if the tweet was inflammatory, he had a very good point and/or that the tweet wasn't that bad to begin with.

This all started with that Actual Jake debate. Destiny should have heeded his warning and stopped being a big mean poopie head.

please dont invite or argue with teenagers... so annoying to listen to. that guy didn't have any clue about anything. Got corrected of almost everything he said by everybody in the call, because it was nonsense all in all. teenager do not know anything about the world, he just left high school and thinks he understands the world.

The amount of sensitivity and the lack of the real world they’re not in, is f*+king mind blowing 🤯

Holy shit, Soy admitted the WHOLE thing. "Destiny's not actually racist or transphobic, we just have to invent reality to say that hes mean and we dont like it" He was just unironically honest with every dumb criticism and when everyone on the panel got confrunted they basically said Soy is stupid. Thats literally EVERYBODY'S distilled opinion that opposed the child tweet- they just want to believe somehow its deeper than that. Edit: I actually think now hes a mole planted by Destiny to show how stupid this argument is taken to the enth degree, but from a mouth that isnt his.

This soy meanness arc was an unbelievable waste of time. I feel like it just ate up so much time from more relevant discussion…