That... makes no sense.

That happens on Sticker Star, not Color Splash.

@You Wish 1st: wow 2 years later. Holy moly. 2nd: if I were to look back on it now a days I'd say my main gripe is that you never have a reliable attack. The game has to be dotted with regular stickers constantly just to prevent you from not having anything to attack with when you need it. I'm not against change and I actually really like super paper mario, which was a drastic change from series norms. Just don't fix what ain't broken or slap on some new mechanic that breaks what was already in place. Also final fantasy.

@Joel Johnson fair deal bro. If you like it no big

@You Wish But it was kind of lame and uninspired, and most of all, just felt bad. Having those really large things taking up so much space made your inventory feel cramped, and when your entire ability to fight is based on that inventory, limiting it with arbitrary required things (as design docs mentioned, bosses HAD to be fought in a SPECIFIC way) was beyond a pain. As to your point of "resource management", it's like design docs already said: battles are over in a single turn no matter what attacks you use, and you have so many resources that it doesn't really matter and turns combat, what half the game relies on to keep you engaged, into a slog. These games weren't well received for a reason, and just because you enjoyed them doesn't mean they aren't bad.

Jeez, almost like an RPG? I have no idea why the devs of this series are so intent on ditching the RPG aspect.

@@TheZaaz I’m waiting for the next Paper Mario to come out just so we can finally see it’s not because Nintendo had two RPG series with it and Mario & Luigi.

@@Hawlo I have a gut feeling that the next Paper Mario will essentially be Origami King 2. They really do seem intent on eliminating the RPG aspect. I think your idea is great! But I also have 0 faith in the dev team to make smart decisions.

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@Hugh Fox Instablaster =)

Swoof That might work actually. I think a default-3D Super Paper Mario would be pretty interesting.

that's an interesting idea, but i feel like that would be too similar to main mario games.

A great example would be in chapter 2 against the clefts. 2 defense enemies are not a thing you can defeat in NORMAL conditions unless you use Bombette and her expensive bomb. KEYWORD NORMAL. I remember buying some badges badges, including D-Down Pound. After reading Goombario saying "It requires courage to run away" I remember that patch and used it against those enemies while thinking "I'm better than the game thinks I am". I could also used Bombette's Bomb, charging power with my hammer, waiting a bit to get quake hammer or Parakarry, using a pow or listening the unreliable Goombario. Examples like that of getting multiple approaches with badges started to become really common from that point onwards, like jumping on pokeys instead of hammer, quake hammer instead of Parakarry, the fourth battle against Jr. Troopa, how crystal king with AOE, etc.

It's a good one.

Bug Fables was one of my best purchases all year, but TOK was by far the worst.

@@Cerebrum123 To be honest, I enjoyed ToK. It's a far cry from classic Paper Mario and it holds itself back from being great in a lot of frustrating ways but it's the first Paper Mario I've genuinly enjoyed since TTYD and it's OK as its own thing. Bug Fables is still way better though.

@@DesignDoc I mean, glad you enjoyed it, but I couldn't. I disliked it even more than Sticker Star, and that is saying a lot. For every 1 step forward I saw 100 back. It was the final nail in the coffin for the series for me. I'm one of the people who enjoyed Super Paper Mario, so that was the last one I liked. The past three games have nothing of what drew me to the series, and even if I just consider them on their own merits I dislike them. There wasn't anything there I found enjoyable.

Lugmillord especially since ttyd had ways to mix up the battle system. new partners with unique abilities, badges that give a variety of moves, and enemies that change with each area.

Perhaps if there was a weak attack that one could use infinitely, and/or mana refills over time, that might make a difference.

The thing is, look at the stickers like an ether in a typical RPG. Restoring Mana means more heals... and is saved for a point when needed. If there was a weak attack... players would stick with that and rather then use offense stickers save them if not replace them all with HP restoratives.

I personally disagree that TTYD has a perfect battle system. Random events are actually terrible. But yes, Color Splash is lackluster in this department. Although I really enjoyed the world that you explore, it, in my opinion, easily makes up for it. The game might as well not even have a battle system. And it would probably be even better for it. From a Color Splash Fan, "I still love the other games!"

TTYD's battle system was two steps forward and three steps back for me since the RNG made it completely terrible. You get worse stage hazards via level ups making me want to stay under leveled so I don't have to deal with the terrible stage gimmicks.

Still after their respective chapter, most became useless. Perhaps it'll be intentional this time, exchanging between partners as the story needs them, rather than tagging without adding much more to the story.

Your profile pic goes so well with this statement.

Well, the game tries to do that enough as is.

@joseaca "As boring as cardboard"

or "colorless"

@@raikiri000 eh, that's not that good.

Babyweegeetime lmao wrong but ok Super Paper Mario is easily one of the best mario rpgs, and its barely even an rpg

@@aa9945 it was a okay game bud. nowhere as good as the three predecessors before it

@@UnDeAdSpRaYe Sorry to disagree homie, but objectively, SPM is way better in its characters, story, the development of both and enviromentization (or however is wirtten, english is not my main languange), OST could be debated, but yeah. TTYD is better in gameplay, but saying SPM is an okay game is a reach, because is an amazing one

@@SuperMono64 you really just said SPM is better than TTYD,64 and legend of the seven stars?.... please stfu TTYD alone outsold and got better ratings than that game. keep your shitty opinion to yourself

@@UnDeAdSpRaYe I said it has a better story, characters and how these were developed, I never said it was a better game overall:)

@Pen Bashiro, MD I agree. From what I've seen of Origami King the combat is definitely an improvement and could have worked if they didn't take away the exp element to it to make battles worth doing. I've seen people going through the first part of the game getting into combat and being able to kill all enemy clusters on their turn since Mario gets to go twice (why?) so he never takes damage in those fights at least. So they why does he need to have 50 hp to start

Exactly! There were way too many paper jokes, and it took away from actually caring about the characters. It was like they over emphasize the fact that the universe wasn't real. It was just paper. The first three paper Marios actually made me care about the characters and what happened to them and had an engaging story, plot twists and all that. But, color splash...

It’s also annoying that the great variety of different character species got replaced with... Toads, and... Toads... and more Toads...

White-Van Helsing Chuggaconroy? Is that you? Lol

You hit the nail on the head my friend.

Did we play different Color Splashes? I genuinely enjoyed the writing. There were plenty of jokes that just landed, and most of the jokes in Color Splash aren't paper based. The environments in Color Splash are consistently creative (after chapter 1, anyway) and the characters, despite all being Toads and regular Mario enemies, actually have...personalities? Even the Koopalings are significantly more interesting than in any other Mario game.

AlphaDream dabbled with this in Paper Jam with the Battle Cards, but those were supplementary, not the main form of combat.

Or... You know... There's the other, very similar, more engaging and more skill-based Mario & Luigi games, which fix almost everything in the video? That's probably what the developers thought most people would play instead. They then made Paper Mario less complex and more beginner friendly. It's a perfect introduction to the genre. Not too much going on, not too many things to think about, not too many options. It's simple and easy to understand. Is any of this making sense? I don't want to get off on the wrong foot here, I'm just considering the _why,_ since this video only lists the _what._ I just think they downgraded the combat system on purpose, so it was more appropriate for newcomers. After all, it makes the series unique. I struggled to get the hang of Paper Mario 64 and gave up after a while because I was just getting confused. Modern Paper Mario games are more approachable- -Ack! I'm rambling about the same point again! Sorry. I do that a lot. Anyway, I've raised my point, so I'll shut up for a bit. Just know that I'm still willing to listen if you disagree with anything I've said.

I completely understand that approach, as in general, RPG title's can get quite intimidating. My argument is kind of a personal approach, but I picked up Paper Mario: TTYD when I was about 6 or 7 years old, and I played that game all the time, I loved everything about it. What's important however, is that way back then when I was that age, I was able to get to the very end of the game, without the use of any external guides. Again, RPG's are intimidating, but Nintendo created this RPG to be understandable by everyone. That's what Nintendo is about. The game was designed to, while being a good game in terms of story and environment, have enticing and fun gameplay mechanics. There weren't many stats like in Final Fantasy. Only HP, FP, and BP. And besides that, Attack and Defense for opponents. Furthermore, as described in the video, the usage of smaller damage points is very important. It made it very easy to calculate or gauge you next moves careful because everything was easily countable. It was simple enough a concept that made it approachable to a wider audience than other RPG's such as, again, Final Fantasy.

Too risky, it’s not gonna happen.

there is a new game on switch for paper mario

@@CodeAvali I definitely feel a grander sense of adventure from The Origami King compared to CS and SS. The scale and mood of the world and story feels closer to that of TTYD and SPM. It feels like its going to be a (hopefully) good mix of how the old games felt and how the newer titles are. I'm just worried by the lack of a partner system again, and the battle system looks like it may be gimmicky.

Yeah. It would be better if they actually had an explamation for being there that would maybe add to the story or something, but they don't. They were pretty much put in there to make it funny or something.

Imagine if the things were a thing (lol, isn't that confusing?) because some powerful entity dropped them on the land, all the characters make paper puns because they know they're in a book, and the author of said book is the powerful entity of that world, basically working as god. But a few decades later, the author dies from an illness, and for the next few decades, the world lives peacefully, remembering the author for as long as they live. One day, a mysterious individual comes out and tells the whole mushroom kingdom that there is a secret way to become the new god (author), not only that, but this individual gives the kingdom a clue. This news soon meets it's way across the whole land. The majority of the world worry that such thing as replacing a god exists, others don't believe in it, calling it "Baseless rumors", but the minority (Still a huge number) goes on a quest to replace god, some do it individually, others do it in teams. Peach worries if that this all the rumors are true, than sometime as of then, someone could become the new author, and that there is a high possibility that such powerful powers could end in the wrong hands. Because of this, she, Mario and Luigi go and intend in finding the next clue to become the new author. Across their adventure, they will meet various individuals (One of them could be bowser) and somewhere along the first third of the game, they will finally meet the main villain, and.... I could go on forever, but I rather not. I know that Nintendo isn't that nice about religion, so instead of using "God" they could simply use "Author". I think this kind of plot could be on level with TTYD.

Jitsus: The man who critiques everything - This story is amazing. You NEED to go do something with your idea!

i dont think you have to do the bosspuzzles in sticker star,they are just optional to make the boss faster. its just that there is absolutely no other way to win in color splash

​@@lpfan4491the game just twists your wrist in Sticker Star in that regard, beating the bosses with their intended Things is optional, but it sure is gonna be a very rocky road because without the weakness, they're tanky as heck, and one single slip can mean tons of damage, though I can still see some people liking that kinda challenge, its a harsher Mega Man way very much Color Splash though, it straight up cuts your hand if you refuse to follow the pretermined path to beat the bosses, while also mocking you for refusing to do so, as if experimenting and doing self imposed challenges was taboo or something

Honestly, the whole “consumable attacks” concept might have worked if you were given a basic attack that you could use as often as you wanted, and used cards to power up those basic attacks. That makes more sense than needing an item in order to perform a basic action, and it would allow players to battle without the feeling that they’re wasting items away just by standing there.

+NinjaMaster909 definitely.

Firestar4041 "Ammo" is in every RPG, but I agree that there should have been a basic, weak, reusable attack.

At least Chain of Memories has a strategy to it. The order of the cards in your combo. Do you use a sleight now and lose a card, or wait and keep your basic combo? Stock up on tons of lower number cards or keep a handful of hard to break big ones? Paper Mario is just stock up on the best stuff and waste it all on goombas.

the gbaversion at least. the remake is literally just that too:stock up the best shit and you win. only diffrence is you need to know how to create those op sleights

Working on it! Thanks for watching!

So dose the new combat look okay to you because they ditched the stickers

@@Rosie_Cozy the new combat looks good to me not just because they ditched the stickers, but because they added something that might actually add some real decision making back into the combat again, without having it be aggravating like the stickers/cards were. I've got hope!

@@autumn_breeze616 i mean i understand what they added i just hope there is a reason to not run from every battle i hope we get xp

Same here. XD

I was referring to some early game stuff in 64 like not being able to take out spiked goombas with just Goombario or a good chunk of Chapter 4 in TTYD. Granted you can run away.

Warbot Well in 64 the only real "Partner only Runs" can really only be done with Parakarry and Sushie. (Maybe Goombario) as the rest have limitations. However some exceptions would have to be made. And true for TTYD.

Boo

Don't you mean Adventure Era?

Dreamcast era.

I'd say Adventure Era. What with those multiple playstyles, Mario's friends, and that awkward jump to 3D.

Its best if we all pretend SPM never existed

* head explodes *

Daniel Royer Absolutely. People complain about the brittle weapons, but they actually serve to make people experiment and try new things. In a linear game like Paper Mario this doesn’t work, but in an open world game like BotW, it works great.

I mean, there are so many reasons why BotW's weapon system and progression works and modern paper mario doesn't, it could warrant it's own video series *wink wink* In BotW, you can use weapons to interact with the enviornment; there are a limited number of weapon types, but each individual weapon has a lot of variety, like bladed v blunt to name just one; oh, and THEY'RE NOT SINGLE USE

At first I was hesitant to play Wild Breath, but it can be quite fun. Also, you could just "spam" bombs all you want.

Jane Huskmann Bombs do barely any damage later in the game, and are tedious to use against enemies in close range.

also I've been watching since the Sonic '06 commentary with gnrfan, but I quite like the new niché you have created for yourself

That's the plan! Thanks a ton!

Yeah, probably don't play Color Splash.

In response to your question about marios HP: there's a badge that decreases Marios HP for stat buffs, it's a common challenge run to go for a very low HP Mario.

It's a cool visual but it's not that useful as information.

I agree, it's kind of gimmicky, in my opinion.

If it was paired with the actual numbers, it would be great. Instead of taking away from the informative design the game's series has had, it would add to it.

Yeah not a issue at all

I think it was cute too, but it doesn't ever let you know what to do. You can't tell whether a boss at 10% health is low enough that you can just kill him now, or it'll take a few more turns so you should heal up and play more long-term in case he makes a comeback.

Exactly. As for the partner issue, I think in color/they were kind of poking fun at that. There was this legendary pirate that kept saying he was going to follow you around and annoy you for ruining his food. I honestly liked the company, though, so I was OK with that!.

Brigitte Dassler Color Splash > Sticker Star

From the future, and yes, while Color Splash is about as flawed as Sticker Star tbh, Origami King actually addressed major issues the first two had, even if it's still very open to improvements, it was a good game, unlike the other two that are either boring or annoying to play, even the battle system in TOK as mixed as it is, it's still better than what was in those two modern PMs, where you were completely discouraged to engage in combat at all, and where they would even tamper with the already flawed system, which lead to even blander and bothersome experiences

Coming back to this video, I played some of Color Splash. The game bore me down to quitting from it. I want to finish it but it's just because I started it already. And I wanna finish all Paper Mario games, including the ones that are widely considered terrible. This game just isn't fun. It's beautiful but also boring.

I think they chose cards just so they could add a couple Gamepad functionalities to the battle system, the paint gimmick to the stickers, as well as a way to address the inventory issue of Sticker Star So just for the sake of keeping Sticker Star’s formula with minimal changes and improvements, not so much to do anything interesting with a customizable deck

They are a point and click adventure game puzzle presented inside a rpg combat system. There's very little to the fight itself. First blast them with powerful cards, solve the adventure game puzzle to expose a weakness, and than blast them again. Also, this is 100% personal bias but the moment I saw that all of the boss fights were going to be the Koopalings, I immediately lost all interest going into these fights at all. I personally cannot stand the Koopalings as characters so I was immediately dismissing them in my mind regardless of any unique gimmicks that they brought to the table. That's not a great mindset to have going in but it's another issue compounded on top of the existing issue of the general boss design.

I personally like the Koopalings, but they fall into the problem that the modern PM games don't create new characters or races, just recycling everything. One of the things I loved about Odyssey were the new locations with their own people living their own lives in them. There were hat ghosts, gardening robots, fashionista mermaids, round yetis, and French snails. Do we get characters like Mme. Flurrie or Vivian in Color Splash? When I saw the Bob-omb in the Origami King video, I was hoping he'd be a proper partner, and he might still be, but I missed previous characters like Bombette and Admiral Bobbery. Sure, Bombette was just a pink Bob-omb with a fuse that looked like a ponytail, but at least they tried to make her a unique character, whereas the new guy is just a Bob-omb.

Nenilein I still hold that the GBA version of CoM is better, mostly because it was designed for the GBA, and the card system doesn't really work in a full 3D environment.

I'd argue it didn't even work on the GBA to begin with, but that's just me, as someone who played the game in her mid-teens on a classic GBA and irreparably busted the shoulder buttons of said GBA doing so- (Though, Pokemon Ruby's berry mixing mechanic certainly didn't help either.)

Nenilein it has many issues gameplay wise, such as luck seeming to have a high factor in success, I guess unless you're unbelievably good at it maybe. Other than that, it was still fun in many places, even if I mostly mashed for things like duels. It doesn't sound like I'm too positive about it, but there was a certain level of timing and skill to knowing when to use a card or sleight as to not run out of cards at the wrong time, and preparing for future attacks sooner. I'm happy that I played it, and I'd recommend it (if you have the collection anyways) at least to try it and give it a shot. That said, I'm glad I'm done, because I'm tired of thinking before every attack, I just want something easier to play.

i played gba on level1 and the only thingnscrewing me over was the finalboss

I would really like them to go a different route in terms of the artstyle for the next one, the original Paper Mario was very pop up book like, TTYD went with more elaborated constructs and puppets (even the battles being like over the top paper puppet shows), Super took a more computery geometry approach (I dunno how to call that), and that really further set each game apart, but then, modern Paper Mario is really the same exact “arts & crafts” look, just getting updated each game, and it’s getting boring, no matter how high class they make the papery world, I want something else already, not Sticker Star 4 in terms of visuals

Plenty, and all hoping the battle system is much, MUCH better

@@unnamed7485 Yeah, I have faith in this. Lets hope it's not Sonic Forces.

Origami king combat is infinitely better than Color Splash We haven't seen XP, but the combat is overal much better every way

Isn't that only when you get a first strike in the field? Do you have a source or a video because I haven't noticed or heard of that before.

it's only the first strike that get's stronger

Shy Guys have 4 HP if I remember correctly. So, after world 3 or so is done, they die in one hit to first strikes. Also, the Hopslipper does of course do more damage than the basic jump, and it attacks 5 more times, which makes it more effective against stacks.