I know right? It was very clever.

Undertale also ties its core mechanics into its story, and does so really well.

@@scoutymcscoutface2957 kotor 2 does so much much better though

WillieManga it would’ve been funny if there was a dialog option to counter that: “because I was getting exp from every kill”

Player respond "That still doesn't explain those strange purple numbers that kept appearing above everyone I killed. Is it a side effect to being a wound in The Force? Or am I just going nuts?"

Spacious reasoning.

Kinda sad that the Jedi never really changed over the millennia. Palpatine may have pulled the trigger but they had a part to play in their downfall.

She sounds a lot more mad when she says that line for a male character for some reason

@@stevenceja4706 you know what they say and honestly a true statement all round “Apathy is death”

The voice actor is very talented.

This resonates deep within me! 💖

I played this game when I was a kid and I didn't understand shit. I played it again when I was older and I cried during this judgement. I got SO invested in the story...

My favorite Star Wars moment of all time.

I saw a comment that explained these phrases. To the council, the Exile's act of severing ties to the Force was detrimental, but Kreia proceeds to add on by stating the benefits of such act. On a personal note, I can't help but remembering that one episode of Black Mirror drama series called Nosedive because of that explanation.

The mantra of every Nihilist.

@@theia1653 Nieztche would force choke you for saying that. He was in strict oposition to nihilism

@@theia1653 isn't that the opposite of nihilism though? Nihilism is the surrender to the world's bleakness. The philosophy of those without a will.

@@trollzland1337 Nihilism is another way of saying YOU have no purpose. If you're nihilistic, you have nothing to harness your will and potential towards.

Kreia hated Nihilism, hence the very memeable “Apathy is death” lesson in the tomb.

It's pretty wild how dependent jedi become to the force. I recall Kreia stressing in it's own way this was a huge weakness because it presented such vulnerability in its absence. And the stronger you depend on the force the more it has agency over you.

@@Skizzy461 Kreia even said that Atton was better prepared than a Jedi because he wasn't reliant on the force.

Scott Wilson almost like a drug addiction once you sever between the drug and the addict the addict will suffer huge withdrawals that can possibly kill him/her.

and that was was Kreia was so angry. They didn't understand how STRONG the Exile was. She endured that shock, and went on to do great things anyway.

@@boxtank5288 And remember that Revan had assassins like Atton trained, first to kill Jedi, but Revan (like his old master) *always* had a *true* motive.

Almost. Unlike the overseer however, the Jedi council did not see you as a hero.

What about the droid attack on the wookies?

@@markcoroneos7811 Who cares? Who needs those useless walking carpets anyway?

@@markcoroneos7811 what about the imperial attack on the wookies ?

He was a total jackass to Revan in KOTOR 1

He reminds me of Mace Windu

I always liked that too. But you know what? There's actually a lot of coins going around in this game. Almost all the main characters are aspects of something else.

Its because of their relation to the Force that made them what they are. Nihilus is so dependent on the Force that he’s not even living anymore; he’s a void, like a force of nature, that being in his mere presence is draining. He feeds nonstop. On the flip side, the Exile cut off her connection to the Force years prior and is now listening and tuning into it again through her innate ability to form bonds. Because she feels those bonds, she’s able to transfer strength amongst herself and her allies.

“...a parasite...that works both ways” I believe that’s called a symbiotic relationship

@@chriscombs21886 symbiotic is an umbrella term, you're thinking of a mutualistic relationship

I see Nihilus as a parasite and the Exile as a Symbiot. Nihilus feeds on and destroys that which he connects to while the Exile draws strength from and empowers those that she connects to.

"Never doubt what you have done. All your decisions have brought you to this point." My favorite Kreia quote.

Angry Leprechaun her philosophy is very Nietzschean; notice how the core of her philosophy is on individuality: building your strength without depending on anyone else, fighting your own battles, indulging yourself regardless of moral constraints, etc.

determinator 94 That's why I love her philosophy. She actually wants people to be free - of dogma and destiny. Make your own path.

I think many long-time fans of SW feel that Kreia is the greatest character the universe produced, and perhaps the greatest Sith Lord too.

One of the best written characters in video game history

Right. It was a pretty clever way of weaving a gameplay mechanic into the story.

Papito Qinn it could’ve been a clever way to explain Rey’s Mary Sue character. That was a theory on KZfaq before the Last Jedi was even out.

@@PapitoQinn it could have worked to an extent to give. Her home world is the location of one of the most devastating battles in Star Wars canon.

LEVEL UP!

@Kurt Bowser No they weren’t. Maybe in your headcanon, but not mine.

@Kurt Bowser That was before she encountered Surik.

@Kurt Bowser I played the game. It’s you who doesn’t understand. Enslaved by dogma.

Or perhaps you watch movies from SH and DV’s Vorrny Vorrns.

@Kurt Bowser Well, you can say whatever you want too, but I think Kreia was both. Dann you Vrook and DS Bastila, forcing one or the other.

I always liked her character for that. She's an _actual_ teacher. No matter what you do, she picks at it because it's less about what you're doing than it is _why_ you're doing it. That encounter on Nar Shaddaa, for example. Whether you're charitable or callous, she takes you to task. Because the problem wasn't with you being nice or cruel. The problem was that _you didn't stop to think it through._ To think about how your actions would affect that beggar _or you._ By being _mindlessly_ charitable, you potentially do more harm than good. And of course mindless cruelty just begets more of the same. Either way you cause more problems than you solve. And in this case, either way you draw attention to yourself when you're _supposed_ to be trying to get lost in the crowd. That's also why the most satisfying answer for her to hear from you in many conversations is "I'll think on this". _Because that's all she wants you to do._ To be an individual rather than a meat puppet for the split personalities of some sociopathic cosmic consciousness. And yet, no matter how proud of you she is or how much you disappoint her in that regard, right up to the end she's still trying to teach you. Because you're _hers._

@@OfficerHotpantsthat’s bloody brilliant dude, what an excellent analysis. I never thought of it like that

⁠@@OfficerHotpantsthat said she does praise you like some actions that can work in a light sided play through like lying to the merc side in dantooine to make them think you are on their side so you can betray them for the good side. Also even causing those dark sided echoes on Nar Shaddaa still won't have you kill Zez, tho he will be pissed at you for doing such but will forgive quickly (almost like the game doesn't know how to handle it smoothly programming wise, you ended the planet darkside but what fully determines the master's fate is your alignment, unlike other planets, so basically it makes it out that he lies he chases after Mira but doesn't actually do so instead of doing it or not) and you do speed-run the planet's pre jekk jekk tarr's parts quickly in mere minutes, which is what Kreia wanted you to learn from there. but yeah she can be a bit grouchy, but hey she just wants you to listen in the end at least.

She isn’t lying when she says she loves you

Indeed. I'm planning on making a video on what I think of it. Because I think there's something in her words that people aren't picking up on.

Papito Qinn Kreia as a character and her philosophy are two of the major reasons I still love Legends far more than the new Disney Canon

The Jedi take the easy way everything is the will of the force and nothing is random our even a choice. Everything has a point but the truth is the force creates as much suffering as its Stops at the cost of the free choice of all people and when you hear the waves of the force you will know the truth at.

The ironic thing is for all her philosophical mumbo jumbo she still can't see the truth. Kreia doesn't hate the Force she hates herself.

@@slyfer60 It can be both.

Light can blind just as easy as darkness, yes. And it's not light anymore. These Jedi had failed.

After this pinnacle of a game i'm able to play dumb ones only if i choose to.

Kreia synthesis of the force

@@TheGoodLuc they absolutely did. It is almost sickening saving them. Except Vrook. He probably was the only one with any kind of insight that mattered.

​@@TheGoodLuc an underrated quote. I salute you.

Yup. Vrook was a cancer on the Jedi in both KOTORs. He wanted to prevent Revan from saving the galaxy again and he wanted to cut off the best hope of stopping the new Sith threat. Arrogant prick.

Angry Leprechaun Vrook and Atris represent the arrogance vanity and hypocrisy of the Jedi Order - traits that are made even more apparent through a Jedi Master like Mace Windu

Silly Vrook and his cheery disposition.

Vrook is only arrogant on the outside, he is actually very wise and was the first master to agree to re-train revan after his memory wipe, also i remember from the book that Vrook is revan's favorite master

@@EricGraham94 nah...Athris angry, of course her beloved leaved her. Master Jedi, my arse, can't even understand herself)

me either :D i only clicked to attack everything :D

Das Institut same. There was something about Kreia - even at a young age when I couldn’t understand philosophy - that knew she was right. Looking back now I made the right choice; it was through Kreia I had to expand my knowledge and see multiple perspectives.

@@EricGraham94 nah she just used you manipulated you like so many other students nihilus, revan

Maybe because in this moment she turned into "grandma says yes" for a solid 3 min. 😂

Misfit that’s the essence of manipulation - it’s persuasion and making people believe a perspective (Kreia’s perspective is that she’s right - not saying she isn’t). How else do you think Palpatine turned the Galactic Republic into the Galactic Empire? Through persuasion and manipulation.

Never piss off an old woman with creepy atrophied eyes

I guess they forgot about the part where you got your first few levels from killing droids.

@@dalenlewin merely getting a grasp on what your physical powers used to be. a general, Jedi or not, would be strong physically surely.

@@matttaylor1996 yeah, that’s true. After all, you would have to be pretty strong to beat up a droid with your fists, or kill it with a regular sword.

Indeed. She's verbing herself.

Sounds to me like you would really enjoy this one video of mine. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLaFY6uVtNSze4U.html

She kills them because these old fools refused to see the light,stop being cowardly and hypocrites,changing When you kill them she’s miffed because it was just shallow revenge

@@Nzg41 very true.

No, the Jedi were going for the Darwin Award.

If you kill them, she scolds you for allowing them to die remaining true to their misguided convictions. Insisting instead that you should have been wise enough to reveal their own mistakes to them and defeat them without striking a blow. If you spare them, she grows furious with their ignorance in refusing to understand why you followed Revan to war, and how they made you suffer for it. They were about to cut you off from the Force, believing it would be just that. She did not kill them directly, she cut them off from the Force, showed them the world "through the eyes of the Exile," and the shock from that is what overwhelmed and killed them, because they could not fathom living without the Force. You however can and did, which is why Kreia is fascinated with you, believing you to be outside of the will of the Force, and the only person who has any true free will as an individual.

I was shocked to learn Judy Dench didn’t do her voice because of her accent and appearance but she did great

To think this was her first and only voice acting role. Turns out theater actors can make gold.

Thought helen mirren should be the live action kreia

All things change as time goes by and nothing can stop that. The Jedi should know that, new Jedi and Sith are born, grow to power, learn, become strong, die, and are replaced. Old knowledge is maintained, but new knowledge is added, old threats are defeated but new ones rise, and as the universe changes so to must the ones who live in the universe. They can either change as time goes by to better adapt to new situations or they can be swept away by the tides of time. They claim to serve the will of the force, well perhaps the will of the force is that all things change and they must find a way to change, when necessary, in order to adapt to this.

Unfortunately the Jedi of the clone wars have repeated the same mistake

Agreed.

It isn't change nor lack of control that the Jedi fear. They fear feelings, ideals, motives... And with good reason. Don't mistake me saying that feelings are the cause of falling to the Dark Side, no, it isn't as simple as that. Recall that every instance of Force premonitions comes from feelings, and any sort of emotion, of any kind, be it reassurance that you're in control of your feelings, or lust for power, both are feelings. Both, and all others, are subject to the whims of the Force. Hell, just look at the scene above. Look how easily the other masters are swayed. All because when Force Sensitives gather, the influence the Force can exert on them is greater. They aren't in control, they're just puppets. Let me paraphrase Kreia for a bit: "Know how to strike so that the ripples created only affect what you wish". And when has the ocean ever been a calm and malleable *Force*? When have we ever not been subject to the whims of the waves? Ride the waves and on the surface like a Jedi, or dive deep, dark, and down, like the Sith, you are subject to the whims of the ocean. And sometimes, those who dive, are spat back out at the surface, and more often than not, those who ride the waves are swallowed, despite their intent, motive or feelings on the matter. The Force leeched itself so deeply into life that the difference is simply indistinguishable for the 99.99999999999%. And letting seeing the difference... truly seeing it... is death. So I leave you with this: which, exactly, is the problem?

Yep “apathy is death”

Of couse she's tired. She just killed three Jedi masters in just one use of Death Field!

It seems like a lot of people who want Revan canon don't realize this. The Revan we know only exists because of KOTOR 2. KOTOR 1 really didn't tell us all that much about him.

@@PapitoQinn KOTOR 1 got us to know Revan on a more personal level (being privy to his thoughts and all) while KOTOR II fleshed out the character's mystery and history.

This. Listening to characters' talk about Revan in KOTOR II was like hearing the exploits of some mysterious historical figure, and you're never quite sure which parts are true or false, save that this person has shaped the world in which you now live.

It's funny KOTOR 2 is a disassembly of sorts of Star Wars because in that it becomes Star Wars. You people just outlined it. In KOTOR 2, we have Revan. Powerful, intelligent, and has moved the galaxy. In the Original Trilogy, we have Vader. Powerful, intelligent, and has moved the galaxy. In these "2nd" installments, we know little about either, but in the "First Act" we learn about them both and follow their most significant exploits.

@@Aqueox KOTOR II deconstructs not just its predecessor KOTOR, but the entire premise of the Star Wars universe and how the mechanics of the Force work. It doesn't necessarily subvert it for the sake of a counterargument, but rather it forces the players to think more critically of HOW the Force and everything within the universe the Force is interconnected with affects one another. Basically, everything that goes on in Star Wars is VERY consequential, not just a consequence-free space fantasy adventure. It also explores the foundation of Star Wars to its finest details (details we tend to ignore) and enriches it. As for the similarities between (Darth) Revan and Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, here's one thing about them that are different. While Anakin Skywalker had a destiny thrust onto him that affected the entire galaxy in his entire lifetime, Revan made bettering the galaxy his DUTY in multiple avenues. With Revan, you get a richer sense of how someone as powerful as him isn't "powerful" in how he can use the Force, but in how he's subtly able to affect the entire galaxy the way he did... from Revanchist leader to Sith Lord to the savior of the galaxy to harbinger of what's to come...

I'm sorry you lost your grandma.

@@aqeeljupri3516 Thank you. ❤

“Chaaang-dddd”

TASTE JESUS AND KNOW THAT HE IS GOOD

The last jedi was nothing but poorly writen fan fiction

why bring up the last jedi? the OT cant compare to this.

@@richardbellavance4010 The original trilogy started everything

Yup.

Disney old republic will be bad too

They were going to cut her off from the force. They were too afraid to accept what she proved and what she might do with that truth. The Jedi Masters were afraid of losing power and they were afraid of any questioning of the infallibility of the Jedi teachings. Many people think that Jedi are always right by definition, and the Jedi believe that too.

"Those who gain power are afraid to lose it"

@@PapitoQinn the Jedi and sith are both puppets of the force there can be no right or wrong if their is no own choice at all. which was the thing kreia hated the most about the force and why she dislikes it when people choice for other people.

Papito Qinn these jedi deserved what was coming to them. Thank you Kreia for saving my character

@@noahfessenden6478 even the jedi

being fair while the sith Empire is pretty tame in SWTOR, Vitiate himself is not very far from the KOTOR III true sith

To be fair...vitiate really embodied the godlike ancient sith idea I had in my mind The rest of the empire was the problem

We may get a Kotor 3 with the remaster

They never existed. It was fear mongering, used to justify abuse of power or inaction. Just as the Mandalorian wars were.

@@griffy6175 the sith holocron with atrius mentioned a beacon within a sith planet, then it cuts away. this could be a hint to the sith empire we havent gotten to see

It's pretty disappointing to see the character you built up over hours and hours of deep narrative simply killed off because of a WoW clone

It's really best to pretend SWTOR never happened. MMORPG's: Ruining it for real video games since 2004.

@@BigUriel this. Best way to approach the SW universe

@@BigUriel I'm way, WAY more pissed at Swtor than than all these sequel hating bandwagoners

@@stargatecommand714 that's likely because you're more invested in KOTOR than in the OT. To my eyes, they are on equal footing of shit. They ruined Luke, Vader, Palpatine, Leia, Han, even the fucking Millenium Falcon in the sequels. And in SWTOR they've ruined Exile, Revan, Kreia and even HK-47. Fuck them. Fuck them all.

Heh! I agree.

Heh! I agree.

James Taylor it wasn’t necessarily that she wanted to strip the galaxy of the Force; it’s that she wanted living beings in the galaxy to live without the Force and think for themselves. The Force, in a way as Kreia describes it and is in a way true, acts as a deity using everybody like a puppet (almost as if it were stripping free will), setting into motion events that conclude in balance while countless living beings die.

Sion and Nihlus*

Zoe Kin these Jedi are too mired in the old ways, the Lost Jedi will rebuild the order without their failings Of course they will eventually revert to their former ways (cough cough prequels cough) for a couple centuries the Jedi will be what they were intended to be: people who want balance and peace, not people who fear the Dark Side and things they do not understand

@@EricGraham94 Basically, be glad God plays by one rule, and that is Free Will. It is why we will never have definitive proof of his existence. It would compromise our Free Will. Our *choice*.

@@Aqueox Amen to that.

Peter Parker when that music came on *step away from her*

I’m talking about Vrook getting clapped

Yeah screw that guy. I do everything in my power and succeed in saving the natives of dantoine from forces beyond their control and he has the gaulle to call me a warmonger, arrogant, blind to the world around me. While he as always sat and did nothing because he believes in "patience"

ATRAST VALA EXECUTOR

The first theme used is my absolute favorite. The ancient quiet nature of the sith calling to you. The mystery behind you and where you will go lies in your choices.

I think there's too much going on in these games to condense them into films. TV shows might be better. But even then it might be best to tell unique stories within the old republic era.

Yes this is true

I consider the Jedi to be arguably worse than the Sith.

@@Vigriff Dude, the Sith blow up planets on a whim.

@@Vigriff Bro Jedi who do good most of time and sometimes drop the ball are objectively better the Sith who kill entire planets and peoples just because they can imao.

Jolee is apathetic and spent decades doing jack on Kashyyk while Czerka enslaved the planet and Malak ravaged the galaxy. Qui Gonn on the other hand worked against all external pressure to try and bring the prophecy of balance to fruition. There is no comparison.

BeTrayaL. Only just saw that lol.

She's a little bit Canon now because her voice Sith holocron Star Wars rebels

People point out that the moment he reconnected with Vrook, some of that seemed to change.

@@PapitoQinn I think his interaction with his fellow Jedi was a bad influence on him personally. Peer-pressure so to speak. The Jedi seem to encourage their fellows to think as they do and to shun those who think or act differently to an extent.

@@lordofcreativity9637 And let's just say Vrook has a... strong personality.

@@PapitoQinn That is certainly one way of putting it.

Hulkamania ran wild when it came to realizing the Jedi were dumb

What do you think of the idea that the force is the game's main antagonist?

@@PapitoQinn In broader strokes all the hardships and conflicts in the game seem derived from the force. If Sion is kept alive by the force it is for a purpose. Nihilis' hunger is of the force. As much as the force binds, the exile proves that life can exist without it. Nihilus's hunger shows the force's need for life and death to exist... so the force is like a zookeeper or circus to life: capturing it, holding it, and forcing it to do its will.

Rather not edit my post but thought of more... the force seems to be a life farmer, feeding on life and death. It may seem like it has the living's needs in mind as it does, but like a farmer farms meat and animal products (eggs and milk, etc.) i)the force harvests the will, life, and death of those connected to it... on its farm if you will. Just as a farmer provides food shelter and protection for its livestock so does the force by granting powers. A sentient's lack of choice in the matter is no indication of benevolence or an all powerful nature on account of the lack of choice in farm animals. To a chicken on a farm a human is all powerful because that chicken lacks the ability to fight its captors successfully. As far as it knows the chicken coop has always been there, especially in a fully automated farm. Perhaps that is what the force is to living beings... part of a fully automated farm of life forms that bow to its will and feed it. In this way Kreia and KOTOR 2 are very much like the film Chicken Run. Ever think you'd read that comparison?

@@chickenman7801 Nope. never thought I'd hear those two things in the same sentence. But you may have just given me an idea for a video. Thanks... Chicken man. That name makes total sense now.

@@chickenman7801 my! your theory is rather facinating it definitely fits the lore of the force and gives new insight new perception of the force itself thats why if the force user follow the will of the force they can become one with the force (consumed or assimilated) and the one that deny the force gets the stick like the sith trying to create life then the force retaliated by giving birth to anakin its like an animal that cant be tamed so the farmer use a guard dog to control it. You have my respect sir!

@Food Forethought people have reasons to hate Disney, it didn't ce out of nowhere. They're responsible for how bad the sequel trilogy was, for trying to use nostalgia in order to hide bad storytelling, they forced a political agenda that the majority of the fanbase were tired to have it shoved down our throats. What you're trying to do is dismissing any valid criticism agains Disney, Lucasfilm and the sequel trilogy, which are objectively bad movies. Not just bad Star Wars movies, but also bad movies. That's why people look at these games, and everything else that came out before Disney acquired Star Wars, as far better products than anything Disney has put out.

@@ResolvedMC There were too many cooks in the kitchen that couldn't agree with one another on what to do.

You can say that again.

Preach

My goosebumps had goosebumps.

They're out there. Arkham City, Half Life 2, Godfather 2.

But to do so against Bioware’s KOTOR is quite impressive. This story makes the original KOTOR’s story look like trash in comparison

If only the game wasn't rushed towards the end. Another year it would've been amazing.

It was on sale

I mean "The philosophy of Kriea" has been out for some time.

Star Wars Theory could had made something amazing out of it, i'm sure.

@@comraddisc2783 As much as I like him... no, he has a naive and biased view of SW. He doesn't dwell in so many shades of grey, nor in any of Kreia's complexity. He's here for the flare more than anything.

@@liaml.e.5964explains why i got an uncomfortable response from him

* easily the best Star Wars games

I will be in my chambers. Atton: "Yeah, me too. I'll be in my *chambers*. Though seeing as I don't have any, I'll just go to the cockpit like I always do."

Sounds kind of elitist at the end there. "from those unworthy of them", so are they not "true" star wars fans?

@@kylescoolclips Edit: Sorry about the text wall. Hope it’s wasn’t too much. Damn I forgot about this one lol. A slight bit dramatic re-reading it now as I’d probably change it slightly if I were writing this in current time such as calling kotor 2 the greatest thing ever is a bit of an exaggeration. “The MOST?” Short answer to keep the rest of this short: no. “Easily one of?” Absolutely and without a doubt in my mind. As for the original question of, “what is a True Star Wars fan then?” You misunderstand my meaning as I am referring specifically to fans of the Original Expanded Universe, the only true Star Wars canon I myself will ever know and acknowledge as such. And “the unworthy cattle?” I refer to the ones who blindly hate the EU without having ever explored it or simply experienced no more than a single story or two and ignorantly concluded that the rest of the 20 plus years of stories were “99% bad” while they simp for the vastly inferior mouse canon as it ironically continues to use poorly adapted EU elementals. Still though, I suppose I’ll still answer the question of “what is a true fan in general” simply to give what I believe to be the definitive answer to this question. (Would love to include people who have seen only the ST here but sadly however that’s only a personal opinion of my own which wouldn’t technically count.) In short, a “fake fan” would be someone who actively threatens real life actors, writers directors, creators etc (people in general basically.) This could easily apply for most things in general of course but no less true. Constructive criticism is one thing but harassment and death threats are never ok. With all of that now said and out of the way, I could end it here if not for one last question I feel compelled to answer also and it is that of elitism. Would I consider myself an elitist? Try to see it from my side. You’ve been a Die hard fan of the EU for as long as you can remember. Now imagine it being swept under the rug a few years later. It and it’s own longtime fans now find themselves neglected and ridiculed by the puppets who now run Lucasfilm. Replaced by an far inferior continuity to the original which you soon find to have zero interest in and have no desire to talk about, you find you can’t escape from either it or the casual apes who who will crucify you for disagreeing with their senpi mouse overlord. Imagine trying to have conversations purely about the old EU only to always have some condescending disney bs slither it’s way into the convo. It continues to the point where you finally end up making your own specific Community purely dedicated to only talking about the EU and ironically enough still sometimes falling victim to bringing up mouse wars. Hell, even you’ll do it at one point or another just to comment on something and that’s why you need to take up the practice of gatekeeping from time to time just to stay on topic and true to your goal of preserving the EU pre 2015 (that and head canonizing out TCW since we believe it works better either with disney canon or just on its own but that’s a whole other rabbit hole entirely and you’ve probably been reading for a long time now and I feel like it would probably be even more overkill to continue from here.) So in conclusion having said what I’ve said, I guess the answer would have to be yes. I suppose my experiences have basically made me somewhat of an elitist it would seem and I’m not ashamed to admit that as it’s simple who I am and not everyone will agree which is totally ok.

@@theriseofdaddypalpy7876 wow, I didn't expect such a detailed response, but it's fine. I don't disagree with you. It's sad how with the different generations of star wars fans, you have people who have very different images in their heads of what they love about star wars, because they only care about selective parts of star wars media. Anyone can be a star wars fan, but that doesn't mean diehard fans have to like and agree with everything and everyone

Milo Surik… so deeply and *terrifyingly* powerful, like Kreia, except his exterior is the same as the interior, unlike Kreia.

I love you for watching them.

That's what I keep hearing, but I never played The Old Republic, and probably never will. My MMO days are behind me. Her teachings, or at least some parts of them, found their way into the new continuity it seems. Although in a much more sanitized and simpler fashion I suspect. Disney is trying to make a movie after all, not film. They can't have people walking out saying: "What happened? What were they talking about? Where am I?"

I ain't a MMO player myself. But what I had read on wookiepedia convinced me that I do not want to know what came next. It destroys the story and ruins the immersion.

The mmo is trying to tie KOTOR's story with that of its own, but you'll find it very unsatisfying... I have played ToR and it wasn't what I expected for a continuation of this amazing story. Sadly, KOTOR 1,2 end with the 2nd installment. I would love a KOTOR 3, but seeing who would deliver it, I'd rather just picture that the Exile found Revan and together they saved the galaxy and redeemed everything they ever wronged together.

The only way I would ever want another KOTOR installment is the way I would ever accept another Fallout installment. If Obsidian is allowed to take it up. And this time if they are given the proper funding and time to make the damn thing. Every time they're given a project, it's always crammed and poorly funded and always results in them losing people because of it. The publishers should be arrested for mistreating those guys, imho

Zets' Tube the exile died, and revan was imprisoned. Sometimes the protagonist doesn’t win and I liked that. I do think revan should’ve been the one to kill vitiate in the end but oh well. I personally think vitiate is one of the best villains I’ve ever seen. He was far more than a older version palpatine .

Die Hard Fan

Have you learned the true lesson of strength? That is some amazing dialogue I figure not even 5% of all players ever saw. If you haven't you should go for it, you need hanharr influence and to REALLY understand what Kreia is all about.

How is that dogmatic? The purpose of the Jedi is to give their very life in service to the Force. OF COURSE they are nothing to the Force. In fact, reality itself is dependent on the Force since it binds everything together and maintains natural order.

@@vetarlittorf1807 Because the Jedi are _supposed_ to serve a set of ideals. Not serve the Force. They'll readily claim as much. "Keepers of the peace". "Defenders of the innocent". "Guardians of balance." Etc, etc. The loss of the Force would be a terrible blow for them for how useful a tool it is but those ideals would be unaffected. Nothing would be stopping them from continuing to pursue them. For the death of the Force to be the death of the Jedi would require that _the Force_ be their _true_ heart & soul, and all the rest nothing but window dressing. A bunch of pretty crap to make themselves look & feel good.

@@OfficerHotpants They don't view the Force as a tool, the Sith do. The Jedi need to be connected to the Force in order to be able to listen to its will. The ability to use its power is not a privilege, it's a responsibility. They use it to carry out the will of the Force.

And there's no rehab in the entire galaxy for that.