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Pappy Van Winkle and Weller Tier List! What Wheated Buffalo Trace is Best?
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2 жыл бұрынWe do a a tier list around Buffalo Trace Wheated Mash Bill which includes Pappy Van Winkle and the infamouse Weller line!
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@Lefthandman333 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you guys doing your part to decrease demand for W12. If more YT channels keep this trend going I might actually be able to find a bottle next year.
@DwithBoost 2 жыл бұрын
It's a 12 year BT product. It's going to continue to be hard to get unfortunately. That being said. I crushed a bottle of W12 earlier this year and it lacks character IMO. Sweet and smooth. A great daily drinker with a much too high price tag.
@coolzog 7 ай бұрын
I agree. It's a good whiskey. No way is it worse than Special Reserve in the Bottle. I'd say it's worse than Full Proof and 107 obviously, and comparable (though slightly worse) than CYPB. It would be great for MSRP and if it were available since it's a good 12-year, easy drinking bourbon. But it does lack character complexity, likely due in part to being 90 proof. I've never tried/seen Single Barrel though.
@iansammons2730 7 ай бұрын
Just saw one at a small store in Claymont, DE... Think it was $150 or $200. They also had Blantons $135, WHTay $200 and a couple other allocated bottles. Surprising little finds right off the highway. Ridge liquors. Owners were real chill and helpful.
@WhiskeyWars 2 жыл бұрын
" WLW could literally , rain locust on our community and we would still buy it ! " Actually laughing hysterically at that one . My wife is giving me the , what's wrong with you face .... One of my favorite vids lately from you guys ! 🥃
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@wyattalexander4041 2 жыл бұрын
I looked for this comment me too 😂😂
@oklahomamotomadness9410 Жыл бұрын
@@BourbonJunkieswhat about $37 in Oklahoma with tax
@nredman 2 жыл бұрын
I busted out laughing when Dan flipped that bottle into the ceiling. Then he caught it…Savant stuff right there.
@cgrippando13 2 жыл бұрын
The people that disliked this video probably bought special reserve for $100 lol
@ryandoses4684 2 жыл бұрын
A flight to Ohio is cheaper
@jaredbond68 Жыл бұрын
Just got a bottle for $32 at the distillary
@DJ-tn9zk Жыл бұрын
I go to the distilleriey for a trip... im buying 1 of every bottle, im not leaving without 3 or 4 cases
@jeffreysparbeck7725 Жыл бұрын
I spent $50 (based on hype) and would never pay over $30 a bottle again. Nice, but nothing special
@davidatac9738 Жыл бұрын
Paid 45 today
@ir8jorge99 2 жыл бұрын
Big fan of the tier series. I can’t wait for O.F!
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Either them or WT next
@MrRossman2 2 жыл бұрын
Took me a second to realize you were talking about Old Forester (I hope).
@ir8jorge99 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrRossman2 we are 😎
@joenadeau6530 2 жыл бұрын
Old Forester for my vote
@pickleeater3102 2 жыл бұрын
Beam. The good Beams....the ones that don't say Jim Beam on them.
@danfadden4788 2 жыл бұрын
I miss being able to get Pappy 15. My all time favorite. My dad and I used to be able to each get a bottle or 2 per year in the 70-90 $ range. Haven't been able to get one for about 4 years now.
@bustthafizz9 2 жыл бұрын
Weller 12 is my favorite of the Weller line outside of WLW. I also beats out Lot B for me.
@stupidperson8180 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for continuing this series, I was hoping you would.
@lilannalucey 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing as I've only had 107 and none of the others, this was fun to watch. Especially considering the insanity of secondary and the local PA chasers. You could do a Beam tier list, even though Dan would crap on all of them as too nutty.
@Dussander2 2 жыл бұрын
I opened my WLW for my birthday last week. I had 3 pours, it was so good. My new favorite of all time. I will be sad when it is gone, which at this rate, will be soon. I guess I should hold out until NYE for my last pour of it.
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
That's how we feel about it too
@MrRossman2 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta give you guys credit on these tiered rating videos again. I really liked the early ones, but this one with the "digital" board is a huge improvement. Great job!
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! Little more work on our side, but so much cleaner
@ethanmuchnicki9360 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice Dan almost knock the Warehouse C off the shelf when he put Lot B back.. Gave me a heart attack
@arizonah9925 2 жыл бұрын
I am having a heart attack at how close the 4 grain bottle is to the edge....
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
She's fiiiiiiine
@jimoconnor3621 2 жыл бұрын
Just picked myself up a store pick Full Proof! This is now the first Weller I’ve ever owned.
@ericmorris9660 2 жыл бұрын
I have a bottle of WLW that I inherited from my father in law when he passed. Been waiting to open until my brothers in law are with me.
@whatsthepoint170 Жыл бұрын
Nicely done, I found this to be pretty similar to my rankings as well (although I never tried Pappy 20 or 23). My only beef is you guys held the price of Weller 12 against it, but seemed to ignore that with the Pappy lineup. The 12 is damn good IMO, if you get it for a fair price
@troysmiller5577 2 жыл бұрын
The W12 is hands down an A….. also pretty easy to get down here in the southern states.
@johngillard3 2 жыл бұрын
Up here in the Midwest it’s at least $300 plus for a bottle. Not worth it. I will take Antique 107 all day long in the Weller line up. Also one of my all time favorite whiskeys.
@johngillard3 2 жыл бұрын
If I could find it for retail I would be pleased.
@Nickcib01 2 жыл бұрын
Pappy15 is incredible. the 20 and 23 to me, are too oaky. and the Weller 107 is def A material. Great video! love these comparisons!
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Dan's out here trying to cancel antique
@donhelgason4833 2 жыл бұрын
There's a bottle of Weller single Barrell orange label at my local LQ store here in MD. They want $999 for it. It's still sitting there, been there about a month.
@100puremustard5 2 жыл бұрын
I got an 1.5oz pour for $14... it's good, not great. Like Kosher Rye Recipe with less spice.
@brianfriest 2 жыл бұрын
Special reserve is a great daily drinker for the price. Last few bottles purchased. 750ml for $18.99 on 11/02/21, 1.75ml for $38 in September 2021. Wouldn’t go much over retail
@themooseloungepodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Once again guys, another great episode!!! Not shocked with how you graded these was surprised on just a couple but after your explanations I totally agree. Great job.
@jpcampbell 2 жыл бұрын
I love 107. With a plate of brisket, it elevated to something magical in a glass. Totally agree about 12.
@njparady 2 жыл бұрын
I like both your attitudes towards these hyped up bottles.
@landlordx3 2 жыл бұрын
have to disagree on W12, bourbon is amazing
@cjwright1960 2 жыл бұрын
Swap c.y.p.b and small batch. Antique is currently one of my favs. 🥃 Edit: the thumbnail though…. Great work guys
@noddyninetythree4771 2 жыл бұрын
OWA is an A... everything else is pretty spot on to my taste
@ljdecker546 2 жыл бұрын
Switch 107 and Lot B and I would co-sign every last one of these grades.
@nefarious_saint 2 жыл бұрын
In 2013 I won a van winkle lot B 12 year at a raffle at a bevmo liquor store. I haven’t opened it to this day. 2013-12 = barreled in 2001 Buffalo trace bought Van Winkle in 2002. A)Do I have stitzel weller juice or no? B)Sell it or drink it?
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure, drink it!!!
@nefarious_saint 2 жыл бұрын
@@BourbonJunkies 😭 fine
@EnderOSC 2 жыл бұрын
I found a bottle of W12 in 2017 and would completely rate it an E. It was flat, oaky, not much too it. I recently found a 2021 bottle and it has been a different experience. It is much better, with more complexity. I still prefer OWA, but the newer bottle restored my “faith” in the expression… so you know, when I find it again in 5 years I don’t pass on it.
@lionslicer383 2 жыл бұрын
Had a poor of Old Rip Van Winkle with my son in New Orleans at the Sazerac bar for $30. It was definitely special. I hope to try the others. Cheers
@onewun4 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a video ranking your favorite bottles/shapes and also do a game where one of you is blindfolded, handed a bottle and have to identify what it is
@Xander-dx6mw 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure your taste buds still work there boys. The Weller 12 is a solid B, the 107 is B+, but the lone single barrel I had was on par with Special Reserve. I've never had Pappy 20 or 23, but the Old Rip was a solid A, as is the Full Proof.
@Condor987 2 жыл бұрын
May have been the low bottle that had been opened who-knows-how-long when I got a sample from it, but Antique 107 was superior to the Rip 10 when I did a shoot out..
@arickbakken 2 жыл бұрын
Rip10 is really not that good. I'd still buy it if I saw it because I have no shame.
@35057 2 жыл бұрын
Love this series! Def different idea. Puts everything into perspective (my word for the night 🧐)
@fiosfiend 2 сағат бұрын
You're right about the Pappy 15yr, it's the best of the Pappy. The 20yr and 23yr are just more oaky, but not any better. You're wrong about the 107, it's an A.
@RobertTaylor-nn3ri Жыл бұрын
My first and only bottle of Weller that I’ve found is Weller 12. Wasn’t a big fan. Only paid 57 for it. At least I have that going for me.
@SchimShady12 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy this format and agree with your rankings in this case!
@Michael_Brock11 5 ай бұрын
The only thing I disagree with is the fact on the price in which you say to buy the bottles. Some of us only see the bottles at SP and will never be able to try them if we never pay that. I live in a city that is huge in bourbon and it is hard not to pay for these and many more amazing bottles at SP. As always fellas keep up the awesome videos, enjoy watching you both argue between each other on whos more right. Love you all's channel.
@clintondeabreu8565 2 жыл бұрын
Great grading, only one I’d change is PVW20 I’d put up with 15 as they are both great, but different.
@uduran9907 2 жыл бұрын
On the mention of Poor Man's Pappy, yall should make it.
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
We have a decanter with it
@billeverett4090 Жыл бұрын
Pappy 15 is exceptional. I’m not a fan of the 23 though - overwhelming finish of vanilla. I actually like the weller special reserve for the price. Antique 107 was okay but didn’t stand out. Only other one on this list I’ve tried was the weller full proof and it seemed really flat for a lack of a better word. Smooth for the proof but not a lot of flavor and zero finish at all.
@EastCoastLQReviews 2 жыл бұрын
Just realized you guys put the special reserve as S on the thumbnail probably to mess with us lol, great video as always guys, cheers!
@mcaharris 2 жыл бұрын
WSB above 107 all day!!!! It’s fantastic! Agree that it’s frustrating that not all bottles are released every year.
@beltalowda7897 3 ай бұрын
W12 is my favorite of the BT bottles I’ve tried. It’s so smooth. I can’t find it cheaper than $200 and that’s so messed up. I get stores need to make a profit but GD!
@sanantoniosbestrealtor Жыл бұрын
I haven't watched the video yet, but I already liked it because Dan caught that bottle!
@williamumbach592 Жыл бұрын
First of yours I’ve seen. You guys get right to it. Nice
@Sgt.Trigger209 2 жыл бұрын
The Weller SR is only good as a mixer IMO. I wasted 25 bucks for it, but buying a 1.75L BT for 42 bucks was a steal. Love good old BT.
@crumbdon0417 4 ай бұрын
Cane you guys answer, how does a bottle go from 40 to 1200? IV tried pappy 12, don't get me wrong, it was very smooth and good...but 800to 1200 dollars difference from a Taylor. Just insane to me
@huntermcdougal5013 Жыл бұрын
Weller single barrel is D or F... I scored one recently for $50.. And its honestly not bad esp at that price, probably would pick makers 46 over just from taste alone. Its not worth the hunt, i scored a special reserve today so going to compare it to that at some point. I imagine a special reserve store pick single barrel has to be better
@thegreatbuff 2 жыл бұрын
Dan has never been more wrong about a bottle placement than 107
@DaWAFFLES1 2 жыл бұрын
You’re right, it should have been lower. I’ve had it multiple times and it’s good, but not worth over 40. On top of that, it’s not worth the effort of going to multiple stores and trying to track it down. It gets way to much hype for what it is
@pickleeater3102 2 жыл бұрын
@@DaWAFFLES1 ......kinda like 90% of Buffalo Trace's lineup. Flava told us to don't believe the hype.
@justinpetrello 2 жыл бұрын
107 is highly over rated in my opinion
@seanh9093 2 жыл бұрын
@@dronepocket325 Blanton’s would like a word
@LeatherDaddy97 2 жыл бұрын
@@dronepocket325 blantons isnt bad, it just isnt special.
@orlandofurioso7958 2 жыл бұрын
Having had bottles of all of the Pappys and for which I completely agree with your digital rankings, but none of the others, I must think I would agree, if I have any of the others in the future.
@hypnocracy6102 2 жыл бұрын
Like how you are breaking down the distillery by mash bill
@nvlaser9084 Ай бұрын
I just bought 2 bottles of CYPB for a buddy for $600 each. He was tickled to get them at that price.
@enricojaun2880 2 жыл бұрын
I paid 80 each for 2 bottles of antique... major regret... actually many of my BT purchases are regretable...
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
It happens to almost everyone at some point
@Rocky-cx6qz Жыл бұрын
Weller SR belongs in E. It does the rest of the line a huge injustice. I think weller SR might be better than one of the benchmarks at best
@dan36478 Жыл бұрын
Can you guys reverse the color gradient for the scores? Green for good, red for pour it out lol. Great video!
@ct9737 2 жыл бұрын
What happened to Weller 12, I clearly missed something,However I agree I wouldn’t pay over retail for any of these.I leave them on the shelf,There are to many other reasonably price bourbons out there to try or buy !
@scottmeyers8125 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the Turkey, Beam, 4 roses, Heaven Hill, and OF vids!
@Soldano999 Жыл бұрын
You gave W12 a D based on price tag and avalaibility. I can get these any time of the day at the wine store down my street for 50€. I give it an A. The special reserve i an't find anywhere even online.
@TommyD28 2 жыл бұрын
Agree to Disagree....only on some of them...I haven't had most......Of the ones Dan shit on...I love them all....remember he lost twice to Greeze.
@stevenmuhlhauser1134 2 жыл бұрын
Great jacket, Dan
@dusiokas 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree weller reserve and weller 12 is not good at all. Think never finish mine.
@jhouseholter 2 жыл бұрын
Pappy 20 is fantastic and deserves an S. 23 is like liking a burnt stick of tree.
@raytrank101 Жыл бұрын
Weller 12 would be a great daily drinker if it was on the shelf at $30-$40. As If!!!!!
@patrickorr6466 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know how often you look at comments but I wanted to let you know that the Weller blue label was at a liquor store in NY in the fancy case for..........$500... I LOL'd pretty hard at that but somewhere there will be someone who will pay that...
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Quite often we look at them, and yea for some reason the full proofs are always mega marked up
@jamesallen9325 2 жыл бұрын
Apropos of nothing, I did my first blind tonight with the Buffalo Trace products I had on hand: Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare, Elmer T Lee, and Blanton’s and it shook out thusly: 1- Buffalo Trace 2- Blanton’s 3- Elmer T Lee 4- Eagle Rare Which shocked me mostly because I thought I really liked Eagle Rare and I wasn’t particularly impressed with Blanton’s. (FWIW Buffalo Trace and Blanton’s were a close call.) Overall, it was a fun exercise. I see why people like blinds. It shakes up your universe
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Blinds are so much fun when it doesn't go the way you think.
@alexanderk7422 2 жыл бұрын
I was at the BT distillery today and told the tour guide I though Blanton's Original and Buffalo Trace are basically interchangeable. Not sure if he misspoke but he said BT is aged about 8 years (which would be roughly the same as Blanton's). I think Eagle Rare has the most going on but it isn't the easiest sipper of the bunch.
@salimoneus 2 жыл бұрын
ETL is a solid F
@donke7171 2 жыл бұрын
All is could see was Dan’s helium head looking like it was floating in mid-air. Pro tip, don’t wear camo coats, we can’t see you! 😬
@theitalian556 Жыл бұрын
LMAO!
@natewayna 2 жыл бұрын
Weller special reserve is $80ish a bottle where I am (aus) and I’ll happily buy it
@ruhrohraggy125 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried any Weller's apart from W12 and WSR, and I can get on board with where WSR is, but the 2021 release of W12 last month I thought was absolutely delicious. Definitely agree that it's terribly hard to find
@rhendog7 2 жыл бұрын
I have a bottle of van winkle 12 lot b and while I would rate it one tier higher than what you have here, it's definitely let down by the lack of proof. Pappy 15 remains the best bourbon I've ever tried, just really suits my pallet. Perfect amount of age/oak and that sweet soft wheat balance it out just about perfectly. I find aged higher rye bourbons to be a bit much personally, between the oak and the rye spice, it's just a lot.
@JoshuaSmith0 2 жыл бұрын
Weller market is ridic right now. SR is ~$70. Antique ~$125 at my two local SE Michigan shops. Both have some 12 year too but the price is not sensible lol. If I could actually get SR for MSRP it’s tough to beat imo
@gunguru7020 Жыл бұрын
funny they mention the price on the wellers when discussing their place on the list but not with the Pappy's.
@coxman1 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree with this ranking. Great video homies.
@thomaswilson9407 Жыл бұрын
Walked into a random liquor store today and they had Weller Sr for 200. Walked right out. What a joke
@BourbonJunkies Жыл бұрын
I mean at $20.00 it's really good. $200 is just crazy...
@wyattalexander4041 2 жыл бұрын
This has been one of my favorite videos in a minute y’all had me crying 😭😂 but for the most part agree with this tier list always value your opinions got a Redwood Empire Bourbon and Rocket top rye based on your video review the others day! 🙌🏻
@phroztbyt3 2 жыл бұрын
lmao - this is EXACTLY how i feel about 12yr... im so happy i tasted it at a restaurant first lol. Luckily i got Weller FP, so i'll stick with it :D Now to magically find a WLW lol
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Been trying to magically find one for 5 years
@phroztbyt3 2 жыл бұрын
@@BourbonJunkies I doubt I ever will. But I mean... we can dream 😜
@NorthWestBourbon 2 жыл бұрын
Great series and fun video. Cheers 🇺🇸🥃
@lonewanderer3603 2 жыл бұрын
It's all impossible to find around here so I'll take your word for it.
@michaelschoemann2876 2 жыл бұрын
Shawn, we have the same palette. Pappy 15, Weller 107, full proof below it... would put the green and black labels at the bottom, as well..... I can bet you love Larceny BP..... and Early Times BIB?
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the old early times bib more than the current version
@Hotlog69 2 жыл бұрын
WHERE'S DIS BOTTLE!? I really like the energy of this video.
@AaronUF 2 жыл бұрын
I let a bottle of Weller 12 get fairly oxidized and the char pretty much faded away. Tasted very similar to the lot B. Not as rich and no coconut (which is my strongest memory of lot b), but damn good. Didn't like it until it oxidized though. In fact, that's how it became so oxidized, I really didn't want to drink it.
@LikeTimewhiskey 2 жыл бұрын
Oddly I’m exactly where Sean is on these including Weller Single and PVW20. The one bottle I disagree with you both on is the W12. It’s an easy C. You over penalized it for the current price, and it’s way better whiskey than WSR and better than Single Barrel. If your going to penalize for price, you can buy 1 and a half KOK for the price of a PVW15 now, yet you rightfully kept it as an S. Just my opinion, but that’s the only bottle I was off from you.
@WhiskeyandSmoke 2 жыл бұрын
Love your ranking
@daveburke8168 2 жыл бұрын
How about BT Kosher Wheat?
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
That's what we forgot... It's okay we liked the rye recipe the best from the kosher offerings
@aaronknight4800 2 жыл бұрын
Off topic.... My boss is retiring end of January. Very influential to me and I want to get him a gift of 2 bottles of bourbon. I'm not concerned with price. I want to impress him and let him now he'll be missed. The only caveat is it needs to be attainable. I have 2 months to get. I was in a local shop and took a gander at their locked top shelf. I just want a rocking whiskey irregardless of price. I'll pay. Thank you and I love your Channel and content.
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
This may be one of the only times I'd recommend whistlepig boss hog. It's expensive as hell but it'll impress anyone who sees it
@aaronknight4800 2 жыл бұрын
@@BourbonJunkies thank you very much. Do you have a 2nd recommendation??
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Kentucky Owl maybe?
@ct9737 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I need to watch to the end before I comment 🤣🤣🤣
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@owenshirk1462 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite things you’ve done. Would love to see it mashed up with a blind flight. Obviously that would have been tough with BT, but would be cool for Old Forester or Wild Turkey/Russell’s.
@moobutt 2 жыл бұрын
Special Reserve is $22 in Ohio June 22. And attainable. Nothing else on this list is available at the moment. Makes it a winner in my book 🤣🤣🤣
@justinnoble6506 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure why everyone craps on Weller SR. Great bourbon for $23
@johnrobert4877 2 жыл бұрын
Great show guys
@jashsu 2 жыл бұрын
I get that the rankings were based on the standard bottlings, but just wanted to note that store picks definitely add a +/- 1 rank factor. I've definitely had a few OWA picks belong in A rank and a few WFP picks belong in B rank.
@andykline5674 2 жыл бұрын
You guys nailed this one... agree on almost every single rate... well done junkies
@yourhuckleberry7480 2 жыл бұрын
I would put Weller 12 a C, but otherwise agree.
@joeyyoshizumi 2 жыл бұрын
So if you mix 2 bottles, the mixture of the 2 goes up? Interesting…. I have some Malort and Everclear that I mixed and I would love to see what you think of it.
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
I mean it's probably great 🤢
@ivanindreland7743 2 жыл бұрын
Put it in a blind game for them
@WatermelonCookieLord 2 жыл бұрын
when they say Weller special reserve is a $18 bottle but you live in MS and $70 for a bottle is cheap
@nickbenrhardt1026 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I wonder if any bottle would be above an E at secondary prices lol
@BourbonJunkies 2 жыл бұрын
Probably not
@dhueshs4 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, wondering what you guys would pay (or not pay) to get each of these bourbons.
@michaelbaumann9704 Жыл бұрын
12 weller is pretty damn great. If we’re talking availability no pappy belongs in S, or A.
@rubinalec 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t like the digital board. Can you make it Augmented Reality?
@OldFashionedWays 2 жыл бұрын
oh love the tier list thing. haven't seen one of your tier list videos before. But this was definitely a good one to watch. Now I haven't tried all of them but have had my share. Now I do like Weller 12 and enjoy it, but I know a lot of people don't. I think the Van Winkle 12 year is better than a C, but maybe it is batch to batch. I have a bottle of WLW but have not opened it yet. But now excited to open that one soon. thanks again and cheers.
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