Mostly they are just ill informed... at any rate, your relative would most likely not have used a British Cartridge... using the American version instead. The British cartridge and the locally made version were used quite "extensively" by the South.

The p53 enfield more likely was used as it was easier to make in a factory so more could be made at lower price

Haha.. Cheers!

Thank you!

True

Thank you for your subby! Glad to have you along.

That is exactly why I am here too.

@@gourav4672 Interesting forks in history.

Haha it's crazy to find someone was in my exact position three years ago

I’m here for the same reason. The Sepoys were assured at the time 1857 that the cartridges were not greased with anything that would pollute their caste. Apparently this was not strictly true. By accident, oversight or covert design animal fats did get used and no guarantees could be given otherwise!

Cheers!

Very kind!

That is correct to a degree. It did not cause the Mutiny, rather, it touched it off... the causes were many and long standing.

Nice!

For sure!

There was much more that “led” to war, for sure. The cartridge was a “spark” at best.

@@britishmuzzleloaders indeed but still its pretty cool that fake news had a part to play :) military history ftw btw what u think of jezail vs the British guns

Cheers!

Glad you like them!

Yes indeed! Brett has done yeoman’s work in bringing the Pritchett to the masses!

Just the ones in the Bengal Army...

@@britishmuzzleloaders still part of India

Cheers!

Glad to have you back! Thanks!

You are welcome!

What was that?

Cheers!

It may have been the "spark" but the causes were far deeper than any cartridge....

@@britishmuzzleloaders yeah I meant to say that infact

Glad to hear!

A huge story unto itself... the cartridges were just a tiny piece of the very complicated puzzle that became the Mutiny.

​@@britishmuzzleloaders it wasn't just a mutiny. It was a first war of independence. Thanks 🙏

Do you think this had anything to do with the whole beef fat wrapped cartridge scandal surrounding the Indian mutiny of 1857?

@@nicksmith2680 I was wondering the same thing. Biting beef fat would have offended Hindu sepoys, lard would have offended Muslim ones, or so they tell us in the history books. Both would have offended Jain recruits (not that there would have been many, if at all). Ghee (clarified butter) wouldn't have offended anyone, but would probably have been too expensive, and would have melted and gone rancid in any case. Crisco hadn't been invented yet, so coming up with a drill that didn't involve biting might have been a good solution.

@@nicksmith2680whatever be the situation, this provided a unity which wasn’t seen anytime later ( divide is so strong later, it’s still alive ) . Unfortunately the unity wasn’t planned, so they couldn’t use it well … sad . If they used, Gandii wouldn’t have been part of that section , and may be horrors of Partition and millions of civilian’s death would’ve been avoided . We never know ,,,

Keep trying!

Lol, lmao

This is a much more refined cartridge. It is definitely faster.

Thanks!

Hi there. I don't have one, but I have heard that they are well done. Decent quality and decent shooters. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Cheers.

Sure.

+Valmir von Vesver Parker Hale (as in the British company) doesn't exist anymore... If you want an original PH, then you'll have to troll the inter web and find one at auction.... They are the only reproductions with progressively rifled barrels as per the original P53s. Cheers.

Not yet. I have an Artillery Carbine (the real name for it) and will eventually get around to a video on it.

I suppose that it is a bit safer and without having to prime with powder from the cartridge, it makes sense to do it at the end.

Sure.

Richard Krotec Hi there. I got it from Bill at Heritage Leathers. Sadly they are out of business. Google "British enfield cap pouch" and you are sure to get something... Cheers.

Glad you found it interesting! Cheers.

They are fiddly, but the pouch on the chest makes them easy to get at.... If you are interested have a look at the other Enfield videos and you'll see the level of difficulty (or lack of it) there is in capping.

Not quite... it sparked the Mutiny, but did not "cause" it.

Thank you. No it does not.

Hi there. Maybe the odd grain or so, but nothin that would effect the amount going into the barrel...

britishmuzzleloaders gotchya, thanks

HI there. The bullet is from a mould made by "Brooks Moulds" in Montana, USA. It is .564 and is adjustable for length from about .96 to 1.1 inches. I designed it and sent the drawing to them.. A fine mould to say the least. Their moulds are not cheap though (google them to find the latest pricing) and are what one might call "top of the line". You can get sizing dies that will size a Burton down (S&S Firearms and Lodgewood) but by the time you squeeze it down by .01 you are going to have a lot of deformity. I should think that, although they will function, you will not get any real accuracy out of them. I tried that when I was starting out down "the road to the Pritchett" and this was my experience. If you really want to experience the correct ammo for your Enfield, you're going to want to save up and get a proper mould. I did and it's the best "shooting money" I ever spent (apart from my P53 and P58, of course).

Don't know what you are referring to...

@@britishmuzzleloaders Look up a civil war cartridge box, notice how big they are and when you open them, there is another smaller storage space behind the flap, then search up a carbine cartridge box, they are smaller, don't have a strap, and don't have that extra storage space behind the flap

The P53 is a rifle.

Hi there. The thing about both versions of the American cartridge is that they don't require the same tolerances as the British. The American styles are simply "containers" for the powder and ball. The British style is integral to shooting and as such needs to be of such dimension as to facilitate a tight roll around the bullet. This means that the mandrel and the thickness of the materials used for the powder cylinder need to be exact so that the finished product is VERY close to the dimension of the bullet (.568 or .55 depending on the pattern of bullet). This ensures that the outer wrapper is tight and parallel to the sides of the bullet and that loading will not cause the paper to displace or wrinkle. That said, the British cartridge is much faster and simpler to use. As for the bullets, both are undersize to a degree. The American Burton is around .575 or so as it is loaded "naked" and the British Pritchett is smaller at around .568, though later decreased to .55, due to the two wraps of paper around the bullet when loading.

+Valmir von Vesver Hi there. It would seem that you have an understanding of the relationship between the bullet, paper and the bore size. This is a good thing.. If you will permit me to educate you as to the function of an "expanding ball" I will.... First it is important to understand how a bullet of this type works... The bullet is indeed smaller than the bore, to allow for loading. When the bullet is fired, the gases from the powder burning expand so fast that the skirt of the bullet expands outward before the bullet actually starts moving down the barrel. This does two things: Firstly, it seals the barrel and prevents any gas "cutting" by the bullet... all the gas is behind the bullet making the firing as efficient as possible. Second, the expanding of the skirt pushes the lead into the grooves of the rifling, thereby causing the bullet to spin down the barrel and is stabilized in flight. Now, this effect happens with all kinds of expanding ball.. either the American Burton-style bullet (with the grease grooves) or the British Pritchett-style bullet (with smooth sides). The bullet will grip the rifling... this is the whole premise of the design.. With the American Burton-style bullet (which you seem to be familiar with) the bullet, for best shooting, needs to be one or two thou smaller than the barrel. This commonly makes for a bullet that is about .575-.579) With the Pritchett, the bullet needs to be smaller than the bore by the thickness of the two wraps of paper that surround it in the cartridge (actually this measurement is "4 paper thicknesses"). This makes for a bullet that is about .564 or so, depending on the paper thickness. These bullets are part of two completely different systems and are sized appropriately. American bullet are designed to loaded "naked" and are themselves close to bore size, as you indicated. The British bullet is designed to be shot as part of a paper patch system... The powder cylinder is snapped off the cartridge leaving the bottom part of the paper (which is where the lube is applied) around the bullet in the barrel. So yes, if you try and make British style cartridges with an American style bullet, you won't be able to fit it into the barrel. Pritchett bullet moulds are relatively rare though NOE has one in their line now. Cheers.

+britishmuzzleloaders , touché. This was a very informative explanation and thank you for this fast one. But it leads to more questions. Why are american style bullets put in, as you said, "naked"? what makes the differenze. You already pointed out that the british style bullet is smaller to expand the skirt. in contrast to this, the naked bullet fits in the barrel without leaving any space for paper. Will the skirt expand? is there any sense? What caliber bullet do u use? if its calibre .577 do i have to buy a smaller one to get the english "effect".? thanks

Valmir von Vesver Part of any black power shooting is the appropriate application of lubrication. Black powder fouling is very hard and without something to keep it soft, you wouldn't be able to load something with fine tolerances like a "minie" bullet. The Americans came up with a system whereby the lube was held in grooves on the bullet. The British used the paper that was around their bullet to "hold" the lube.. (the cartridge was dipped in molten lube as part of the manufacturing process).. I think that you are misunderstanding the concept of having the bullet smaller.. The bullet isn't "smaller to expand the skirt". The Pritchett is smaller than the Burton because it has to accomodate the paper thickness in the bore... ALL expanding balls use the principle of an expanding skirt. The skirt will expand whether there is paper around it (in the case of the Pritchett) or not (in the case of the Burton) My bullets (Pritchetts) are .564 + (4 x .003" for the paper) + .001 (for the windage) = .577, the bore size. For an American style buyllet in the same bore, you want a bullet that is .576 + .001 (windage) = .577

This is quite helpful. I do have another question, personally, and i'm sorry this is responding to a year old comment but i was researching this for a story of mine. Does the paper around the cartridge affect the accuracy at all? How does the bullet grip the rifling if the paper is wrapped around it, does the ball get shot out of the paper within the barrel?

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There is lot's of P53 content here on the Channel!

It's .564... lots of info on it and other aspects on the Channel, if you are interested.

Absolutely not. The only way that there would be any issue is if the bullet were fired while it was half way down the barrel....

Understood sir.

Thank you!

Brook Bros Fishing Hi there. The drill for loading the Enfield, prior to 1859 was to bite the top off before pouring the powder down the barrel... In the 1859 manual, this was changed to tearing with the fingers. So this is the post-1859 drill... Loads,..... In short, yes, each rifle has a different load... We are talking about the Enifelds here, because it goes without saying that something like a Baker is loaded completely differently... I use the same bullet and cartridge with all my Enfields (and I have three different types) but each uses a different powder charge. 52 1/2 gr with the P53, 60r with the Naval Rifle and 57 1/2 with the Artillery Carbine. Tearing the paper,..... not quite sure what it is that you are asking here. The clip demonstrates the bullet end being pushed into the muzzle level with the top of the bullet and then the powder cylinder is torn away... Is this what you are asking about? Cheers. Here is the full "Platoon Exercise" video if you are interested... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m65zqsikpsuonWQ.html Cheers.

Thanks very much for responding so quickly. I meant when you put the cartridge in the barrel why do you tear the cartridge so the bullet is showing? What is the point why don't you just push it down the barrel?

Brook Bros Fishing The powder cylinder is made of two pieces, one card, one paper. Though it would fit down the barrel, shooting with 2 inches of card and paper rolled into a cylinder attached to the tip of the bullet wouldn't do any sort of good for accuracy. When the bullet is fired, the skirt of the bullet expands into the rifling (with the paper in between the bullet and the inside of the bore). It travels down the barrel, spinning in the rifling, and when it exits, the paper flies away from the bullet, leaving a naked bullet to efficiently fly through the air. Basic paper patch theory. Cheers.

What?

Yes,...... (Generally) mixed waist belt and tunic mounted cap pouches in the early and mid 1850s, chest mounted from then until the Snider.

Spare ramrods?

Yes. I imagine it's just a rod, so cheap to make. Provide every soldier with a rifle, with a ramrod, and a spare ramrod. Then when you're fighting, if you need to provide a a large volume of fire, you can leave the rifle mounted one on the rifle, and use the loose one and, I dunno, maybe hang it off something if it has a lanyard. It just seems to be a waste of movement to pull the ramrod out of it's channel, use it, then shove it back onto the rifle. ... don't you tihnk? I dunno, maybe time yourself one day firing five rounds while pulling and replacing the ramrod from the rifle, and five rounds if you just leave the ramrod loose, or hanging from a lanyard around your wrist... ??

@@vincentlok8894 I've heard before that troops would sometimes stick them in the ground pointy end first if they were going to be in position for a while like behind cover. I've also heard that the reason they were stored correctly per the rifle drill was to keep confusion down during the duress of watching your mates getting blown to bits.

Sure.

It's essentially the same weapon... the ammunition however is completely different and the key to it's superiority.

Biting was replaced by tearing in 1859...

@@britishmuzzleloaders oh sorry, I didn't know about that.

@@robro2099 Nothing to apologize about... just a change in the drill that's all.

@@britishmuzzleloaders thank you for your advice.

HI there. "lube" is a critical component of black powder shooting... The subject is quite complex as there are different bullets that use different systems of lubricating... this video shows the use of the Enfield paper cartridge as used by the British and Empire Armies (and the Confederate Army (officially anyway))... Later versions which were .55 used straight beeswax. Lubricant is needed as if you don't, you will never load the second round due to the fouling (which I am sure you are familiar with). The lubricant keeps it soft to allow the loading of subsequent rounds.

@@britishmuzzleloaders I don't have beeswax, but could I just lightly grease the barrel with a light coating of 10w30 oil for the first round or even WD40? It's a Lee Enfield 1853 .577 cal for civilwar reenacting. I'm just nervous for the first time as I don't want to get a ball stuck in the barrel. thanks

A 50/50 mix of beeswax and shortening (crisco brand comes to mind) is the usual recipe... do not shoot live without it... Don't use petroleum based oil. Beeswax can be had at craft stores, hobby stores, or in an emergency in candle form almost anywhere... I strongly recommend that you make the effort to get some and learn how these were actually shot before trying something that you might later regret.

@@britishmuzzleloaders thanks!! Have you got a video about this? If not, that's ok.

@@mranderson5668 Lots of Enfield related stuff on the Channel, yes.

That could have a lot to do with the actual size of the bullets. In the world of cast bullets, and rifle-muskets there is no such thing as "As advertised".... your 575 bullets from TotW may be advertised as such but they may be a bit smaller... Not questioning you, just in my experience, you need to measure things yourself. What charge are you using? To shoot these with any degree of consistency, you need a good bullet or mould to cast good bullets, a sizer to confirm diameter, proper lube, a good bore, and the right powder charge.

I usually charge mine with 60 grains of 2f Goex. I use Traditional muzzle loading lube. I have not checked the size of the bullets and I will do so. Thank you for the information.

OK.

He would load it like everyone else was doing, including those on the other side.. all part of the paradigm of the age...

I typically use cartridges that I make within a few weeks. Never had any contamination problems. The only problem that I have experienced is the lube becoming old and "tacky" or "gummy" as it dries over time. That said, it becomes that way after months of storage. The cartridge still functions, but you can feel the increased resistance in the bore as you ram. The lube is standard shortening and beeswax and as such, tends to dry out slightly and become gummy regardless of the application used (i.e. on pritchett cartridges or on Burton style minies.)

britishmuzzleloaders Thank you very much for the everlasting answering, i am appreciated. It is a surprised for me, that in my country even BP shooting are not allowed, even though our ancestor invented the black powder, first cannon, howitzer, rockets, and musket .... i started shooting till I visited Europe, your tradition and culture are much more actively preserved, my sincere respect.

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Hi there. The bullet is .563/4 x 1.06 and the paper is .003 (wrapped twice for four (4) thicknesses). If you are interested, there are other videos on the channel that explain in detail the specs and method of construction used to make the cartridges….. If you are so inclined. Cheers.

Shortening and beeswax.

It won't load with it....

In this video?...... not at all a uniform.... just bush clothes.

But are these garments all from a particular time period, and known to have been worn by certain group of people?

They are essentially the same technology... small differences in the stock shape are probably the biggest difference.... oh and the sights.... more precise sights on the Enfield.

@@britishmuzzleloaders do you have any recommendations on what type of powder to use like companies to use wether German goex or swiss

Sure thing.

Ammo is made by myself.

Its an 1855 Expense Pouch. Search "Graham the Leather Guy" on FB.

@@britishmuzzleloaders Thanks. I looked at his page, great work.

No uniform... just personal winter clothing....

You can... but why would you?... Defeats the whole purpose...

@@britishmuzzleloaders Just in case you need to load real fast and may not have time to follow all the loading procedures. Can this rifle be tap loaded?

@@fadlya.rahman4113 No.

Biting was replaced in 1859...

It is the same cartridge that had a role to play, but did not "cause" the Mutiny...

britishmuzzleloaders it was the reason to instigate the sepoys of the 34th Bengal native infantry and beginning of the revolt

There were many causes of the Mutiny.... underlying and pervasive.... the cartridge was just the spark....

No.

Tearing from 1859....

This is the Enfield Rifle-Musket you refer to. I think you refer to the mutinous East India Company soldiers...

Sorry, I have never played that. There are Enfield's in the game?

Black Flag is like 1810 I think. Caribbean and pirates. No Enfield rifle-muskets.

I am going to do a video on the subject... Often asked question, for sure.

Ah,.... but you can turn it into a Snider.....

Technically no... Although it was the first to be intended for universal issue... Before it came the P51, with which most were armed during the Crimean War... It never was issued universally though.

I do not know well british firearm ( i m french ) but when i look at the P53 i feel it was designed for been easy and simple to made also like you say ...been an universal rifle At the time the french has 12 partern of fire arm ( , Guard musketoon , cavalrie musketoon , police musketoon , lancer musketoon , artilery musketoon , infantry musket , voltigeur musket , dragoon musket , Guard Rifled musket , an " africa army " rifle musket and finally the 3 ranger rifle )

druisteen Wow!

yes the french musket was built for a special custom -a voltigeur musket is a short musket for light infantry -a navy musket is a voltigeur musket built whith brass feature - a dragoon musket is shorter than a navy musket but keep the brass feature the " africa army " rifle musket is for light infantry fighting in Algéria it share the same rifling than the ranger rifle it's only in 1866 we adopt an unviserval rifle , the chassepot

I use 50/50 Beeswax and vegetable shortening.

In 1857 the Britishers use cow and pig fat as a grease for the bullet in India and people rebel

@@chrisgamingfrl1011 Yeah,.... no....That was the "rumour".....they actually took steps to mitigate the grease issue...

You need the paper to make the bullet function properly.

Black powder recoil is typically less "sharp" than smokeless... it can be violent depending on the amount of powder used.

britishmuzzleloaders I worked in London for years in the utility construction you know gas electric water anyhow on one job about 3meters down I came across what I since learned well I think is a martini Henry artillery sword bayonet well that's left of it if you have a disposable email address I'll send you a picture you might find it interesting just sayin

@@halfcantan1208 Sure thing. The Channel email is in the "About" tab on the Channel home page. Cheers.

britishmuzzleloaders sorry mate can't see it now bare in mind I'm still new to this internet malarkey could you just stick it on here and I take a few photos tomorrow sorry today and send them of to you

britishmuzzleloaders it's 4.30 am here

Sure!

@@britishmuzzleloaders I'm curious how much powder do you put in the gun

@@joncal4713 this one? 52.5 gr FFFg Goex.

@@britishmuzzleloaders oh okay

No.