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d4: D&D Deep Dive

d4: D&D Deep Dive

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Part 2 of 2: Are you interested in learning how to play Pathfinder 2e? Are you wanting to know all the major differences between Pathfinder and D&D? Time for a PF Deep Dive!
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Prepared vs. Spontaneous Casters:(1:25)
Upcast/Heightened Spells:(2:52)
Focus Spells:(4:23)
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Conditions:(7:42)
Observed, Hidden, etc.:(8:39)
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@gaidencastro9706
@gaidencastro9706 Жыл бұрын
Hurry get that algorithm boosted
@JanusXX
@JanusXX Жыл бұрын
i will even comment nothing substantial for an extra comment boost
@tylamcgilverson3923
@tylamcgilverson3923 Жыл бұрын
I did my part😅
@oldmanandrew
@oldmanandrew Жыл бұрын
Do it!
@waitthatsillegal.7552
@waitthatsillegal.7552 Жыл бұрын
pbtpd
@JessicaMorgani
@JessicaMorgani Жыл бұрын
Yeeeeeeeeeee
@aaronnelson7471
@aaronnelson7471 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the day he discovers the Magus.
@christopherclayton5500
@christopherclayton5500 Жыл бұрын
Same.
@mrmuffins951
@mrmuffins951 Жыл бұрын
What’s the Magus?
@aaronnelson7471
@aaronnelson7471 Жыл бұрын
@mrmuffins951 the magus is the most gish class ever. It's literally a split between a wizard and a fighter.
@electrokineticphenomenon8800
@electrokineticphenomenon8800 Жыл бұрын
@@aaronnelson7471 I've started playing PF2e and playing Magus as my first class and it is AWESOME. Hitting a Crit on spell strike is the most fun shit ever. And even though magus has a really tight action economy, I enjoy it because both makes it easier to know what I should be doing every turn but also at the same time making it harder because it forces hard distinct choices. It makes engaging with the action economy very fun.
@aaronnelson7471
@aaronnelson7471 Жыл бұрын
@ElectroKinetic Phenomenon my favorite character from pf1 was also a magus and goddamn are they fun in pf2 as well. Truly the master of the nova round. If you REALLY need to one shot something, then you call the magus in.
@emmelynrp
@emmelynrp Жыл бұрын
I'll just say, "multiclassing" through archetypes is a lot more interesting/versatile than you might initially expect; especially when you take into account the many dozens of different archetypes featured in other books. The gamemastery guide also features an optional (though popular) rule that allows players to take an archetype feat alongside every class feat. This allows for a ton of extra customization (while still managing to not make it too much extra power). It's definitely quite different to previous versions though so I understand the initial hesitance.
@MPDcaw
@MPDcaw Жыл бұрын
I second that.
@nemonomen3340
@nemonomen3340 Жыл бұрын
I secondly second this.
@BasementMinions
@BasementMinions Жыл бұрын
This exactly! A lot of official adventures are promoting the free archetype variant. Strength of Thousands has you act as students in a magic school and you get an archetype for spellcasting so that you're still a magic student even if you are playing a barbarian.
@Cyxodus
@Cyxodus Жыл бұрын
I thirdly second that.
@FrensKafka
@FrensKafka Жыл бұрын
approximately 80 percent of tables use the free archetype optional rule to put it in perspective. It's not just popular, it's overwhelmingly popular
@DnDDeepDive
@DnDDeepDive Жыл бұрын
Watch part 1 here! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m9FziceS3sXKpWg.html Also: Errata! You only recover 1 focus point when you Refocus ("short rest"), and you can't Refocus again until you've spent a focus point (so you can't get them all back until a "Long Rest").
@eloisepasteur
@eloisepasteur Жыл бұрын
Mostly right, as with everything else, at higher levels there are feats to let you get more focus points back at once
@rmcdudmk212
@rmcdudmk212 Жыл бұрын
Not a big fan of 5e but it's super cool you are introducing players to Pathfinder 2e. Keep up the great work 👍
@malkyn9998
@malkyn9998 Жыл бұрын
They way I tell my players to think of Focus spells is that the amount they can recover when they Refocus is their renewable amount per combat/use. Go beyond that and they're dipping into daily resources. That basically gives them a little more guidance on when they can/should spend more. Focus spells are nice because their power point is usually right between a high level spell slot and a cantrip, so most fights can be round 1: spell slot, round 2: focus spell, round 3: cantrip unless things are still serious. This gives them more longevity if they think there are more fights in the day. The nice thing about the encounter balance in PF2e is that it's not around having a set number of encounters in a day. Also, seconding the remake of the cantrip caster. Psychic will do it well as a blaster, but the core concept of treating cantrips as your mainstays and using spell slots when appropriate to the situation is pretty much how casters are intended to perform/perform best in PF2e. Also the flat checks for concealed and hidden apply to any effect, not just attack rolls. Save spells need the flat check. So do attempts to heal your allies, magically or mundanely.
@20catsRPG
@20catsRPG Жыл бұрын
Btw you are wrong when you’re saying you can’t multiclass in 2e. You can but it’s done using feats. You take one class as your chassis and build from there. You are building ‘your own class’, something you keep saying in half of your 5e videos lol
@blaydsong
@blaydsong Жыл бұрын
Was gonna call you out on that, but you caught it. Well done. :) Great stuff! Can't wait for more!
@flashfire8238
@flashfire8238 Жыл бұрын
Small correction at 5:25, in case anyone gets confused: the Refocus activity allows you to regain 1 Focus Point, not all of them. You also have to have spent a focus point since you last regained any Focus Points, meaning if you have 3 and spend 2, leaving you with 1 focus point, you can't get back above 2 in your pool (at least from Refocusing) until your next daily preparations. I'm still getting into PF myself, so please correct me if this is wrong, but that's how I'm reading it in the Core Rulebook
@rileymcleran2895
@rileymcleran2895 Жыл бұрын
Thats correct, though pretty much every class with focus points can take feats to get more back on a refocus.
@DnDDeepDive
@DnDDeepDive Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will add an Errata to the pinned comment :)
@j0625
@j0625 Жыл бұрын
Correct. Some classes get feats that allow to refocus for more points. The sorcerer can recover all.
@thearcanehunter2736
@thearcanehunter2736 Жыл бұрын
Like for the HK (and the correction).
@LightningRaven42
@LightningRaven42 Жыл бұрын
You are correct. This is the reason why improved refocus feats are so high level (level 12 at the earliest for most classes). The advantage of Focus Spells is that they are always Heightened, thus always useful for the levels you're at (good when accounting for Incapacitation or Counterspelling purposes).
@matthewjamesmjw4172
@matthewjamesmjw4172 Жыл бұрын
13:30 don't forget that frightened also lowers AC! Ac is considered a dex-based DC, so by frightening someone, they lose AC as well!
@Taliesyn42
@Taliesyn42 Жыл бұрын
Seriously, this is the thing I see missed a lot. Caused a huge argument at my table the first time I intimidated an NPC - I had to break out the quote from the Core Rules PLUS online clarification from the developers themselves confirming that AC is a type of DC.
@canhaoambulante9329
@canhaoambulante9329 Жыл бұрын
Funny thing about surprise: Being surprised means expending your actions getting up, picking up your stuff and raising your defenses. The same thing is true for your enemies. When you pick them by surprise they will need to expend their actions to get their stuff ready to fight. This if they don't need to seek too to find where you are.
@jibbyjackjoe
@jibbyjackjoe Жыл бұрын
Thats why sleeping outside in the wilderness is dangerous. This is the same in dnd so I don't know that this observation is true. You get one free interact as part of your action, so picking up your sword would be it. If you wanted to grab your shield that would then be your action. You'd still get to move at least half your movement, so I guess dnd wins there? /s
@mirosh827
@mirosh827 Жыл бұрын
A small correction on focus spells: when refocusing, not all spent focus points are restored, but only the last spent one. That is, even if the character has 2 focus points, and he spent both in battle, he will restore only one for refocusing (no matter how many times he uses refocus activity). Some classes have abilities that increase the amount of restored focus points when refocusing, the rest need to take feats for this
@Naberius42233
@Naberius42233 Жыл бұрын
This is a very important distinction! This means that using focus spells more than once per encounter reduces the number of total focus points available for the rest of that day, unless you have the feats that allow you to recover more focus points per encounter. This all comes from the text in the Refocus action.
@DnDDeepDive
@DnDDeepDive Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will add an Errata to the pinned comment :)
@dracodominus2800
@dracodominus2800 Жыл бұрын
So if I have 3 points, use 3 spells and then refocus, I have 1 point. Refocusing again never gives me the others back, so when do I get them back?
@robertcalin7971
@robertcalin7971 Жыл бұрын
Don't worry, you do get all of them back regardless after a long rest, the discussion was only about the refocus action.
@dracodominus2800
@dracodominus2800 Жыл бұрын
@@robertcalin7971 oh I see. I was a bit confused. I was wondering what the point(no pun intended) was in getting more! But that make sense now, thank you.
@Pit_Wizard
@Pit_Wizard Жыл бұрын
When it comes to multiclassing, I can understand that being a concern if you limit yourself to just the core rulebook. But in the entirety of Pathfinder 2e there are currently 22 classes and dozens upon dozens of archetypes. I don't think you'll find yourself hurting for variety!
@Grimm-A
@Grimm-A Жыл бұрын
So.there are warlocks?
@Pit_Wizard
@Pit_Wizard Жыл бұрын
@@Grimm-A there is currently no class that plays exactly like the D&D 5e warlock. The upcoming Kineticist class will probably be the closest thing.
@Grimm-A
@Grimm-A Жыл бұрын
@@Pit_Wizard i guess there are in game optuons to have warlock-likes without it, cause if not is pretty weird for my mind the idea of people that enjoyed dnd just deleting warlock
@daniellemurnett2534
@daniellemurnett2534 Ай бұрын
@@Grimm-A To this day, no dice (pun not initially intended.) In flavor, the Witch is the clearest parallel, it has an otherworldly patron that gives it magic powers. This is more reinforced mechanically in the Remastered version, or so I hear, so this *could* work. They do also have powerful (focus) cantrips, just not necessarily damaging ones. Otherwise, they're not exactly as offensively focused, they have to prepare their spells like a Wizard, and they're centralized around a familiar which might not be desirable. This is the only class I'll mention that has a variable spell list though so this can work whether you want an Occult, Arcane, Divine, or even Primal patron. Mechanically, I think Psychic is the closest a caster gets to the Warlock experience. Strong (focus) cantrips, spontaneous casting instead of prepared, not as focused on their spell slots. Still hardly one to one though, they do have a normal amount of spell slots and most of the mechanics around your patron is missing (such as Pact Boon or Invocation). You're also locked into Occult spells wich might not make sense for certain Warlocks. Oracle also has a strong case to be made. Not as cantrip based, but it does have very powerful focus spells, and automatically gets more as it advances (not usual for casters, they usually need to invest feats.) Since a 10 minute break is basically PF2's version of a short rest, refocusing to get back your strongest spells can be likened to the classic warlock experience. Again, not one to one, same issues as Psychic except this time it's always Divine instead of Occult. For a Hexblade warlock build you're probably better off with Magus for the full gish experience or Thaumaturge if spell slots are negotiable. The former is *literally* Gish: The Class and has very limited spell slots that are clamped at a lower level just as warlock (though it does need to have a full rest to restore them and is Arcane only), and the latter is very mystically themed and has a feature that's similar to a warlock's pact boons (but is not a caster at all.) I think the main reason there's no equivalent to Warlock is that PF2 has no short rest. Again, 10 minute break and all that. All caster classes already _have_ focus spells, and some are even centralised around them. You can't get much closer without breaking focus spell rules.
@Martick05545
@Martick05545 Жыл бұрын
Regarding spell preparation: This is why scrolls and magic items (staff, amulet, ring, etc.) exist! Any spell that is highly useful but niche you prepare in these ways. Who anticipates jumping from the top of a tower to escape?! Well, the wizard may not have prepared feather fall but he DOES have a scroll of it.
@toribiogubert7729
@toribiogubert7729 Жыл бұрын
Yep that was what I liked about playing Cleric on 3.5 and Pathfinder 1e, I could build Clerics with craft items feats and the party would never run out with healing.
@Taliesyn42
@Taliesyn42 Жыл бұрын
Yep. You put your niche things in wands (Longstrider, anyone?), and grab a staff full of spells that are important, but that you're not necessarily going to want to keep memorized. (As a prepared caster, anyway. For a spontaneous caster, you want the staff to have spells on your list but not in your repertoire, or at least not in the levels they are in the staff.)
@Billy01113
@Billy01113 Жыл бұрын
One big advantage in PF2, compared to D&D 3.5 or PF1 is, that you cast your spell item spells with your own spellcasting modifier, which make them much stronger.
@xczechr
@xczechr Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Scrolls are best for spells that are rarely needed but *crucial* to have at the right moment (stone to flesh is a good example).
@Nimoot
@Nimoot 10 ай бұрын
Ah .... I wish this was this open in 5E ... the DM refused to let us make magic items of what we wanted because "You'll just pass out Fireball Wands to everyone and combat will be easy" ... XD
@kwagmeijer26
@kwagmeijer26 Жыл бұрын
For your "build around sustaining spells" idea, the advance player's guide has the witch class, which is generally considered one of the weaker classes, but has the wonderful niche of being the being the best at sustaining spells thanks to their "cackle" focus spell.
@benrichetti1360
@benrichetti1360 Жыл бұрын
They also have a capstone feat that lets them cast up to three spells that could be sustained by cackle in one turn. And since they always get familiars and those can be used to store an extra focus point, you can end up sustaining 12+ spells
@lagautmd
@lagautmd Жыл бұрын
And it's Cackle focus spell! That's just brilliant, the mental image is so fun.
@Nate123318
@Nate123318 Жыл бұрын
Gnomes also get a free sustain for illusion spells, and I remember reading somewhere that Occult casters get the best Illusion spell list. Gnome Witch anyone?
@benrichetti1360
@benrichetti1360 Жыл бұрын
Nice! Between that and the witch feat to get a free sustain each round, a gnome witch could do a lot of sustaining. When I went to check on this, I found gnomes also get a one-action activity to restore a focus point. That means a gnome witch with their familiar built right who is also standing on the right ley-line could cackle six times in an encounter
@Nate123318
@Nate123318 Жыл бұрын
@@benrichetti1360 Energized Font, available at level 5. Nice catch!
@borg286
@borg286 Жыл бұрын
The multi-attack penalty is actually a catch-up mechanic. Optimizers like yourself find diminishing returns and need to have all your ducks in order to eek out an extra 25% more damage than a stock martial. The same goes for casters as imposing a -2 penalty often requires a critical failure, which is harder to achieve. I find this incredibly thoughtful of the designers. They have made space for min-maxer while keeping them confined so as to not outshine casuals.
@piercearora7681
@piercearora7681 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. As a minmaxer myself, one of my main problems in 5e is that my characters tend to carry the party, making things less fun for everyone (and balancing becomes a nightmare for my DM). While that is definitely a problem in PF2, it is a big improvement.
@Fr4nZeR
@Fr4nZeR Жыл бұрын
I like how 50% of optimization can be reduced to: play a fighter xD.
@MatthiasClan
@MatthiasClan Жыл бұрын
@@piercearora7681 I don't think you mean carry, in 5e but outshine. Carry implies that they couldn't manage without you which is usually not the case of minmaxer vs generalizer in 5e. In fact it's usually quite the opposite, not only could they manage without you but could probably do a lot more if you didn't just do everything more optimally.
@xczechr
@xczechr Жыл бұрын
@@piercearora7681 As a GM, balancing encounters in PF2 is most certainly not a problem. The tools given to the GM are pretty damn accurate.
@thevenusofthehardsell
@thevenusofthehardsell Жыл бұрын
If you really want to try out the Cantrip Based Blaster you should definitely check out the Psychic! It's an incredibly flavorful class that adds a lot of interesting alterations to cantrips.
@aaronjung5502
@aaronjung5502 Жыл бұрын
Love your take on the rules. Very thorough! Crazy idea: maybe do the same character in both systems occasionally. Keeps everyone here and happy and cuts some work duplication. Pathfinder is flexible enough to work around DND in this regard I think. Once again, loving this! Thanks for doing it!👍😁👍
@OpenWorldAddict0
@OpenWorldAddict0 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see this!
@Randeth
@Randeth Жыл бұрын
Building the same concept in each system seems like great series of videos.
@alextrollip7707
@alextrollip7707 Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to see the cantrip caster redone in pathfinder. Although I'm also interested to see the sustain witch that just cackles all the time. Which I don't think is possible in DND in any form.
@eloisepasteur
@eloisepasteur Жыл бұрын
Archetypes really let you get a decent multiclass experience or, with the later books, more roleplay interesting other choices. There is an optional rule that is pretty commonly used, that gives you a free archetype, so at every even level you get an extra feat for archetypes only. There is a less commonly used optional rule for dual-classing as well, so you could be a paladin-angel-sorcerer dual class for example. A lot of people don’t use multiclass archetypes much, because the archetypes tend to be more interesting and somewhat more powerful, whether they’re extending what you can do with your main weapon, granting you extra spells, or taking a class that is limited in one pillar of the game and strengthening it there. Barbarian is typically weak in social skills for example, but add dandy or another social-heavy archetype and you round it out nicely.
@PhoenixBladeInfinty
@PhoenixBladeInfinty Жыл бұрын
Clarifications: All spontaneous casters get signature spells at 3rd level, one signature spell per spell level. You ONLY get 1 focus point back per refocus (short rest). You get all back during daily preparations (long rest). Otherwise LOVED the video and excited to the se builds!!!
@DnDDeepDive
@DnDDeepDive Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will add an Errata to the pinned comment :)
@SheppiTSRodriguez
@SheppiTSRodriguez Жыл бұрын
Taking account what you said about your worries about the system, once you go even deeper into the system (APG, Secrets of Magic, Dark Archive, Guns and Gears) you will like it even more. Playing with the free archetype rule, the versatile heritage options and the new Archetypes gives just endless possibilities of combos and builds
@GoGoRoboto
@GoGoRoboto Жыл бұрын
I'm a freelance editor for a few D&D third-party publishers. Due to this OGL business, it's super likely (I've been approached on the topic) that these publishers start preparing content for P2e. I'm in a position where it's best that I learn pathfinder and this last hour and a half was a great jumpstart, filling in the blanks from my own reading. This is the first time I've checked out your channel, but you've been super informative so far. Thanks!
@XanderHarris1023
@XanderHarris1023 Жыл бұрын
I am curious to know what areas 3pp are planning to tackle in PF2e. 5e has so many gaps and holes that can be filled in in so many various ways. It seems PF2 has a rule for almost everything.
@GoGoRoboto
@GoGoRoboto Жыл бұрын
@@XanderHarris1023 You are totally right and I wish I had a full awnser. As an editor with 5th edition the bulk of work I've done has involved adventures, stat blocks, and creative writing rather than new subsystems or improving existing rules. Though, I think there's always going to be room for people who wish to publish their own character options like classes and ancestries.
@borg286
@borg286 Жыл бұрын
To scratch the multiclass itch many optimizers preface their build saying it relies on the optional rule of free archetype. This frees up your main class feats to focus on your main class and gives you a free side-channel just for archetype feats. Recall you can take multiple archetypes, making the possibilities endless
@XanderHarris1023
@XanderHarris1023 Жыл бұрын
Only the first archetype (and subsequent class feats associated with it) is free though, right? Multiple free archetypes sounds like it would be bananas.
@daniellemurnett2534
@daniellemurnett2534 Ай бұрын
@@XanderHarris1023 As it's a variant rule it's not perfectly defined. The exact text offers options such as limiting it to a specific archetype or a general theme, and it _recommends_ some caveats such as limiting the feats you can take alongside the Resiliency feats (Barbarian Resiliency is +3 max HP per Barbarian archetype feat, you could double its payout if you take a Barbarian archetype feat in both your free archetype slot and class feat slot), but there's no hard and fast rules for what flies and what doesn't. Assuming your GM just runs it vanilla, you could absolutely stack multiple archetypes. I don't think it would be _that_ bonkers though, if you invest into too many archetypes you're getting mediocre payoff for all of them. As for _prerequisites,_ in case that's what you're talking about, the base rule says nothing about waiving that at all, though in some uses of the rule (such as letting everyone take Pirate Dedication in a pirate campaign and nothing else) that may be implied anyways.
@Zephz43
@Zephz43 Жыл бұрын
Minor correction in regards to focus points: The general rule is that you can only recover one focus point per refocus, and you can only use the refocus activity if you have expended a focus point since you last refocused. This means that if you have 2 FP, spend two, you can recover one, but the second will remain spent until your next daily preparations. In sum, one focus points is a per encounter resource, but the second focus point is a daily resource. Of course, as many things in 2e, there are feats and class features that can change that, but for most characters that's how it'll work. Also, if you are interested in a cantrip blaster try having a look the the Psychic from the Dark Archives book.
@DnDDeepDive
@DnDDeepDive Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will add an Errata to the pinned comment :)
@yuven437
@yuven437 Жыл бұрын
Important note to Grapple the Escape action has the [Attack] trait, which makes it susceptible to MAP. making Grapple REALLY good!
@natekenner5256
@natekenner5256 Жыл бұрын
I am so thankful for the breakdown in these last two videos. Like I said on the previous video, moving forward i would love to see PF2e and DnD5e builds alternating weeks.
@CJParkourMonkey
@CJParkourMonkey Жыл бұрын
Keep the Pathfinder content coming! Do what you do best, character creation ❤️
@yourfavoritesteve
@yourfavoritesteve Жыл бұрын
Spending multiple actions just to get up and pull out weapons vs the monk that just jumps into action-I love this. It’s a strength of the monk!
@jackofwitz2876
@jackofwitz2876 Жыл бұрын
Literally just finished part 1, looking forward to this one now!
@scottclowe
@scottclowe Жыл бұрын
Me too! Great timing for the upload.
@TheRewyn
@TheRewyn Жыл бұрын
Re: Sustained Spells. When you get to this, check out the Witch and its focus spell called Cackle, which allows her to as a free action sustain a spell. With three focus points you could sustain a bunch of spells. Especially fun when you check out how summoned monsters work. A witch could summon a ton of monsters and still have fun directing their actions, while spending her turn casting and sustaining.
@Vallinen92
@Vallinen92 Жыл бұрын
I think all of the summon spells are 3-action activities, so the max number of summons you can have at any given time would be 2 I believe, still it's pretty cool ^^
@daniellemurnett2534
@daniellemurnett2534 Ай бұрын
@@Vallinen92 There's actually a high level feat called Effortless Concentration that Witch can take that freely sustains a spell when your turn begins, making the limit 3 without any further shenanigans. But I do not doubt for a second that there's more shenanigans.
@SamHagley
@SamHagley Жыл бұрын
Electric arc is the top pf2 cantrip spell if you wanted to try and optimise it. Also the psychic class has more focus on cantrip spamming.
@vendettarules1
@vendettarules1 Жыл бұрын
Pathfinder 2 is designed to solve the martial/caster gap that 5e has and I think they do a great job with it!
@mikebilodeau1693
@mikebilodeau1693 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a little pathfinder along with the regular content. I've always liked some crunchy bits in my games and I would like to learn more about theory crafting in pathfinder.
@nugsnotdrugs7717
@nugsnotdrugs7717 Жыл бұрын
A general guide to Pf2e is to think of your party as a team, as opposed to a collection of individuals. Casters are better at AoE damage, battlefield control, and (de)buffing, whereas martials are better at single target damage. This is why some spells can be seen as weaker to their 5e counterparts in terms of raw damage.
@wilsonkoman2829
@wilsonkoman2829 10 ай бұрын
The singing at the end. Wasn't expecting that. Loved it.
@parandiac
@parandiac Жыл бұрын
Part one was awesome! It’s interesting seeing the progression of pf2, since it seems like 3.5 was to 3rd edition
@rafaelsiqueira2375
@rafaelsiqueira2375 Жыл бұрын
One good thing about long duration spells, is that some spells that are concentration in 5e aren't in PF2e. Fly, Invisibility and Haste are great examples.
@Justkidding277
@Justkidding277 Жыл бұрын
I'm really excited to see your Pathfinder builds
@mattbuckley6928
@mattbuckley6928 Жыл бұрын
Hands down the best D&D to PF2e video I have every watched. I don't know if it's because we share the same perspective coming from D&D where most other videos I have seen seem to come from the perspective of Pathfinder but I will be sharing these videos for fellow PF2e-curious gamers
@AlexanderBaird
@AlexanderBaird Жыл бұрын
5:28 Hey Colby! Correction on the Refocus activity: You regain a single spent focus point, and you can’t refocus again until you have spent at least one focus point again. So at higher levels, you can spend two focus points in a single combat, but for the rest of the day, you only have a single focus point you can get back. There are feats and features at higher levels that let you get 2 or 3 focus points back during the activity, but until then it’s only a partially renewable resource Happy Gaming!
@DnDDeepDive
@DnDDeepDive Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will add an Errata to the pinned comment :)
@KaZlos
@KaZlos Жыл бұрын
Pathfindin' Time!
@starfyter87
@starfyter87 Жыл бұрын
Minor correction on 3:50 about cantrip scaling: They scale up to half your level, rounded up, which is almost the same scaling as spell levels for a caster class, but crucially not tied to it. Makes a big difference when learning cantrips from archetypes or various feats. Focus Spells also scale the same way as cantrips, which you did mention :) (others touched on the refocusing already so not repeating it) 11:40 You can't open with an attack RAW, the intent to do hostilities would start the initiative, because in the process of getting ready to attack, you might get noticed or someone might react faster than you. Just something, anything might tip off one of the opposition that something is about to go down, even if the entire opposing party is invisible and far away. This is also one of the main ways to get to use something other than perception for initiative. For example, talking to someone in a bar, but unwittingly sling a grievous insult and a fight breaks out? using diplomacy for initiative is easily on the table. Bust through a door into a room? Doorbuster definitely has grounds for rolling athletics for initiative. And of course the good old sneaking around to use stealth for initiative. (dc5 check is 20% failure odds, not 25%) Great video, hope you enjoy your time in PF2e and otherwise :)
@lesspopmorefizz5413
@lesspopmorefizz5413 Жыл бұрын
DC5 is 25% failure odds. A 5 succeeds.
@killerfudgetastic
@killerfudgetastic Жыл бұрын
@@lesspopmorefizz5413 that was their point, you only fail if you roll a 4 or lower. That’s four results out of twenty, which is a fifth, meaning 20%. If you failed on a 5, then it would be 25%.
@jacobnordquist3448
@jacobnordquist3448 Жыл бұрын
Just finished the video and then a minute later part 2 popped up!
@colinpower6562
@colinpower6562 Жыл бұрын
Nice ! Can't wait to see some builds
@FlufLord
@FlufLord Жыл бұрын
I feel about as excited for pf2e now as I did when I first started reading and build crafting in dnd5e. Thanks so much for making this video! I can tell how hard you worked on it
@loud_ratel2726
@loud_ratel2726 Жыл бұрын
So excited for all these concepts, especially the PF2e Cantrip Blaster!
@lithracSolo
@lithracSolo Жыл бұрын
I whole-heartedly agree with you, diversity of equipment is amazing. Fun fact: when I created my first character, I actually spent more time studying and weighing the various weapon options than my ancestry or class feats!
@studentofsmith
@studentofsmith Жыл бұрын
I also noticed that. In 5e some weapons are just plain better than others. There's no reason to use a shortsword if you have proficiency with a rapier. I like the idea of a less powerful weapon still being a viable option by having some advantage or benefit over a more powerful weapon.
@pinguin4898
@pinguin4898 Жыл бұрын
I love every single time you just go "that's a fun idea to build around" every so often right before moving on to explaining further
@BasementMinions
@BasementMinions Жыл бұрын
Your energy and excitement for the system is just such a delight to experience. You've done a remarkably great job of explaining the system and exploring it. Very interested to see your opinions if you're able to explore it more in the future. :)
@DutchOrBelgian
@DutchOrBelgian Жыл бұрын
So I watched both parts and I was not super hopeful they would be that informative on such a short learning timeline - but boy was I wrong! You did an AMAZING job going over SO much content and I am so proud of you!!
@danielp.9948
@danielp.9948 Жыл бұрын
Hearing “the middle” after the video has been such a good fckin moment. Highlight of the day, really, thank you!
@HalfChristose
@HalfChristose Жыл бұрын
I have to leave a comment because I want to see more of this content and I just freaking love you man. One dad to another.
@skecchi3201
@skecchi3201 Жыл бұрын
Part 1 was amazing, thanks again for being the best content creator on youtube!
@npaulagain
@npaulagain Жыл бұрын
When it comes to cantrip casters - psychic is where it is at. They can make one cantrip do 19d6 damage on a normal hit at level 19.
@michaelmartin4781
@michaelmartin4781 Жыл бұрын
Best part of the day has arrived!
@brennanalleyne8895
@brennanalleyne8895 Жыл бұрын
Well I usually watch your videos 3 times, once to actually intently listen, once to fall asleep and then once on a higher speed to consolidate it but since this was a 2 parter I got 2 full sleeps in. What a week 😂
@dyoung4189
@dyoung4189 Жыл бұрын
The Gamemastery Guide has optional rules for multiclassing in PF 2e. I know these videos were based just on the core rule book, but I’ll be interested in your thoughts on those rules when you get to them
@aaronmorder1965
@aaronmorder1965 Жыл бұрын
The Dual Classing rules from the GMG are more akin to Gestalt than multiclassing. They're a significant power and complexity boost and are prone to unbalanced experiences. You need everyone in the party to use it if you choose to use the rule.
@neilshackleton89
@neilshackleton89 Жыл бұрын
Another thing about Refocusing - you can do it at the same time as another appropriate short activity (GM discretion). The example in the rules is that a healing cleric can refocus to recover a focus point at the same time as treating wounds. As a paladin with the divine shield path, I used to refocus while repairing my shield. Regarding prepared spell choices - wizards also get a bonded item, which they can drain 1/day to recover an already cast spell (free action). So that lessens the need to prepare duplicates of a spell. Flat checks are treated like other checks, you need to meet or exceed the DC. So a flat check of 5 is actually a 20% chance of failure. One of the best DOT choices is a bomber alchemist. Acid only does 1 initial damage, but is all about the persistent. However, know that persistent damage of the same type does not stack, only the higher value applies. Enjoy!
@357Dejavu
@357Dejavu Жыл бұрын
I love that you are covering other systems!
@normal6483
@normal6483 Жыл бұрын
I've got some exciting tips you might like to hear about PF2e! 1.) Although traditional multiclassing is out, the Multiclass archetypes are a lot more potent than they first appear. A level 20 Fighter with the Wizard multiclass archetype can cast up to 8th level spells, which would normally take 15 Wizard levels, leaving you more Wizard than Fighter. But here all you give up are class feats, and you gain more magic than any Eldritch Knight ever did! 2.) For your eventual DoT character, there's a fun exploit you can take advantage of. The Administer First Aid action can be performed on enemies, and if you critically fail your check you automatically trigger whatever Bleed damage they're currently taking. You need to be trained to take the action, but a level 5 Gnoll can use the Right-Hand Blood feat to automatically critically fail an Administer First Aid check. The largest source of Bleed damage is the Blood Vendetta spell, which is cast as a reaction and has a max damage of 10d6 if upcast. If you hit someone with the spell, you can then spend all 3 actions failing to administer first aid to them, causing them to take the damage 3 separate times, only to take it again when their turn comes up. It's incredibly potent, and it doesn't have to deal with Multi-Attack Penalty like most melee characters do.
@thejammiestjam
@thejammiestjam Жыл бұрын
1.) I need that Pooh Bear shirt. 2.) I have never played Pathfinder, and only know it came from an older edition of D&D. I've been playing 5E since 2017 though. After watching both videos, I want to thank you for this deepest of dives! There are a lot of cool ideas here. Although as someone who has played a lot of D&D clerics, and loves their spell casting, I'm not that interested in trying out PF's spell casting system. I love the flexibility in D&D's system, and hate to think that "Oh cool, I could learn a 5th level spell, but if I want to have the option of upcasting another spell I can't actually prepare this." And, ya know, sometimes I want to demolish a field with my Spirit Guardians and wreck everything! Especially since my guardians looks like winged wheels made of eyes! I love having that as an option. That aside, the feat system sounds very cool. I've always wished that D&D would put the ASI/Feat progression in a single track along with Proficiency Bonus progression (and leave the fighter and rogue their special bonus ones in their class progression).
@lunarblaze2198
@lunarblaze2198 Жыл бұрын
One thing i want to say, in case you are unaware, in regards to "Multiclassing": There are the "Multiclass Archetypes" for every single one of the classes that (from my experiences playing around, building characters) end up feeling very similar to multiclassing in DnD. The important part about them to know is that those Archetypes all include certain Feats, firstly Feats that let you get (slightly weakened) versions of the Class Features, but more importantly a "Basic [...]" Feat (the gap in the name is filled with something related to the class, like Trickery for Rogue or Arcana for Wizard) that lets you take a 1st or 2nd level Class Feat of the Class the Archetype is based on and once you take that one, it will allow you to take the "Advanced [...]" Feat which lets you choose any Class Feat where your Characters level divided by 2 counts as your level for the sake of prerequisites. ("Advanced [...] can be taken any number of times) This means that you could make a character who over the course of their 20 levels spends a couple feats to pick up the Monk Dedication (immediately granting the Powerful Fist Feature for better Unarmed Attacks), as well as a Feat each for getting Flurry of Blows and a 10ft. status bonus Unarmored Movement and also pick a 1st or 2nd level Feat followed by however many Level/2 Monk Feats they want, *all without* ever preventing you from reaching your sweet, sweet level 18-20 Class Feats/Features in your main class. This to me feels roughly equivalent to taking "dips" into other classes in DnD 5e, grabbing the feats you want most, but doesnt come with the frustrating restriction of not letting you get to your high level stuff or even really delaying it (past having a few less feats for your main class), so I really do believe once you read into this your worry about "no multiclassing" will be at the very least reduced a lot. And once you get comfortable with the system, I cannot recommend looking at the "Free Archetype" variant rule enough, which simply grants all characters a free Feat every time they get a Class Feat that can only be used for Archetype Feats, letting you get everything you want from your main class while also including Archetypes (or let you take *more* Archetypes, my Thrown Weapon based Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Duelist says Hi") Anyways, loved the part 2, especially the multiple instances of hearing "this sounds fun to build around", I am very much looking forward to what that leads to, notifications are on for sure xD Keep it up! :3
@Dwim
@Dwim Жыл бұрын
That’s one hell of a good review of the game for a self-proclaimed ”noob”. From a veteran : great job !
@brucemaximus3797
@brucemaximus3797 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love how Pathfinder handles spellcasting, gives me that old Jack Vance vibe.
@micahsanders1121
@micahsanders1121 Жыл бұрын
I fully expect a full video of all outtakes at the end of 2023. Thanks, Colby, in advance.
@KingDooburu
@KingDooburu Жыл бұрын
Wow, fast second part! I would love more Pathfinder content from you.
@cosmonautrob8614
@cosmonautrob8614 Жыл бұрын
Came here straight from Part 1! LOVE THIS!!
@laroast8531
@laroast8531 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Sent both parts to my players. Looking forward to more Pathfinder content!
@robertmayotte7317
@robertmayotte7317 Жыл бұрын
Demoralize action applies frightened 2 on a critical success, 1 on a regular success (by default)
@ERGSunshine
@ERGSunshine Жыл бұрын
Singing 'The Middle' at the end made me smile a lot actually.
@thevigilantone
@thevigilantone Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the huge amount of study that went into preparing and making these two videos.
@matthewboles6721
@matthewboles6721 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see what Pathfinder builds you do.
@bjornflintberg3809
@bjornflintberg3809 Жыл бұрын
Mooore! Best run-through of PF2! I want part 3, 4...... 20 episodes about your journey into the PF2 world!
@crezy3917
@crezy3917 Жыл бұрын
I was really looking forward for part 2 thanks for uploading so quick!
@theravenousrabbit3671
@theravenousrabbit3671 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this kind of content. It is exactly what we need right now!
@jeremiahroush1178
@jeremiahroush1178 Жыл бұрын
Yay!!! Part 2! I was excited to listen to this after Part 1. Thanks again for the Deep Dive into this. Looking forward to the next leg of this journey.
@Nemiroffthebest
@Nemiroffthebest Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Colby. Always enjoy your videos!
@Fotta1989
@Fotta1989 Жыл бұрын
This was awesome. I'm going to rewatch these several times. Stoked for more PF2 content
@dji7732
@dji7732 Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate these kinds of videos. Currently learning the system myself and this stuff is very helpful to find things I may have glazed over without really picking up the concepts. Mostly focused on character creation stuff at the moment.
@aubs7630
@aubs7630 Жыл бұрын
Super excited for the momentum! And thank you for the ASMR
@antoniomrubio
@antoniomrubio Жыл бұрын
This two part series has been super useful, thanks!
@GaryWeinheimer
@GaryWeinheimer Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your efforts Colby.
@raishrby
@raishrby Жыл бұрын
Yes part 2 is up so excited!
@PartTimeEuphoRia
@PartTimeEuphoRia Жыл бұрын
These two videos have been really great for learning a bit about PF2E since my table is trying to get into it! Thank you!
@Rhyvin258
@Rhyvin258 Жыл бұрын
watching this two videos helped very much to understand differences in the games, and will probably help me in picking something we'll need when we get around to playing it. on the side note, your singing is bliss
@tobiasb7686
@tobiasb7686 Жыл бұрын
Great video!! Really helpful to get into the basics, hope you continue the pathfinder videos with your insane builds and tips
@Wyldheart7
@Wyldheart7 Жыл бұрын
Love the video; you do such a great job of synthesizing the hundreds of pages of information. Keep feeding us knowledge about PF2!! 🍃
@kilmerenterprises7148
@kilmerenterprises7148 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, it's sorely needed.
@jaredshantz9173
@jaredshantz9173 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate these 2 videos!! It’s super helpful and very clearly laid out! Thanks!!
@_evillevi
@_evillevi Жыл бұрын
Showing my love and support for the delicious crunch of PF. Gotta see that sustained spells-based caster
@chingodingo
@chingodingo Жыл бұрын
Thank you again for making this series. My core rule book should be getting here later this week (barring the snow), and you’ve given me a fantastic jumping off point. Looking forward to the inevitable Pathfinder builds!
@joshuawalker395
@joshuawalker395 Жыл бұрын
Love the pathfinder 2e things! Keep them coming!
@marklewellyn
@marklewellyn Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting these videos out, very helpful
@jeysiahcp
@jeysiahcp Жыл бұрын
Thank you Colby for the informative video but more importantly for serenading us!
@tomfernandez3564
@tomfernandez3564 Жыл бұрын
Really glad your channel came up in my feed - thanks for putting this together. I’ll totally be binging your videos. Would be down to see your builds for pathfinder.
@GryphonDes
@GryphonDes Жыл бұрын
So glad you did this and I really do hope you continue down the PF2E rabbit hole -- it is amazing!
@C0365086
@C0365086 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff. I'm so happy I found this channel! You rock, Colby!
@KevinVideo
@KevinVideo Жыл бұрын
Very informative. Will be looking forward to learning alongside you. Haven't thought about "In the Middle" for quite some time so it was nice to hear it again.
@russveld
@russveld Жыл бұрын
Let's gooooo, keep the pf2e content coming. I'm so interested to see what you'll come up with
@WildflowersCreations
@WildflowersCreations Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very thorough and detailed breakdown of the differences and similarities of the two systems. Very helpful.
@zac9933
@zac9933 Жыл бұрын
Ayooo!! Finished part 1 before going to bed, woke up to find part 2!! Good timing XD
@Gargoyle2830
@Gargoyle2830 Жыл бұрын
Love this video, thanks for doing it! Really interested in pathfinder2e, hope this is the start of you branching your channel out into it!
@10Boxing
@10Boxing Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I look forward to hearing more pathfinder updates!
@graymouser5609
@graymouser5609 Жыл бұрын
Well done. Very timely for myself and for our group. Love the end of reel outtakes.....
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