Rumor has it we missed a few things. Fill me in? What did I miss?

Having a member of the LDS church could've helped round out this discussion. You guys clarify your beliefs well, but no one is clarifying the articles.

After 35 years being in A member of A Pentecostal Church, the best change I made was becoming A member of the Church Of Jesus Christ of latter Day Saints. The fruits of the church can not be denied.

HOLLYWOOD actress Dana Kimmell joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints thanks to the wonderful truths mentioned in the 13 articles of faith. Speaking of 13, she was the star of Friday the 13th part 3 but later left Hollywood to focus her life to Latter-day Saint celestial living. I’m so grateful she did. Changed MY life forever…She’s my MOM. I wrote a book about her inspiring story available on Amazon, REACHING FOR THE BRIGHTEST STAR. I hope you read it and are uplifted and strengthened by it. God bless you all. -Kyle Dane

I have said this ten thousand times, and I will say it again: Christ paid the price for all men to be saved from physical death regardless of what they do; but Christ’s payment for our sins does not change us despite ourselves. It satisfied the demands of justice and gave us the ability to repent and change, thereby releasing us from having to pay for our own sins. This means we must still change, which requires action on our part in order to access forgiveness for our sins. Christ paved the road to salvation, but we still have to walk it.

They were wrong to say that the restoration of the 10 Tribes is a reference to the Nephites and Lamanites. It's a reference to the Lost 10 Tribes of Israel. The Nephites and Lamanites are only a small part of the 10 Tribes.

“Not for Adam’s transgression” is related to the baptism of infants. Infants are born innocent and children do not require baptism until they can reason what is right and wrong.

I understand 'speaking in tongues' and 'interpretation of tongues' as speaking another language. Ie. When i went on my mission in Mexico i didnt speak Spanish (other than what i learned from friends on the soccer field) but i was able to pick it up and speak conversationally with people within 3 months. I personally feel i was blessed with the gift of tongues for that purpose.

My biggest question for mainstream Christianity has to do with the number of people claiming that Latter Day Saints go to hell, specifically for beliefs pertaining to the Godhead. In what world is an improper interpretation of the incomprehensible nature of God a damnable offense? Latter Day Saints are certainly known to bear the symptoms of Christian discipleship. Jesus said his disciples would be known by their love one to another. I simply can’t imagine that God would send a faithful Latter Day Saint who devoted their life to understanding his Gospel to eternal damnation simply because their best efforts to find the truth were not enough.

If you want a comprehensive discussion of the Articles of Faith, I recommend the book "The Articles of Faith" by James E Talmage. (available at most any LDS bookstore.)

You should invite Brother Jared Halverson from Unshaken for the podcast

The Godhead is not to be confused with or related to the Trinity. The Godhead, to members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is like a presidency, with a president and two counselors/vice presidents. They work together AS one body (united in mind, purpose, etc.) but not IN one body. They are three separate beings.

I used to believe Pastor Jeff when he said he wanted to "learn." I am coming to understand that is not the only purpose of his exploration of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am learning that his earnest intention and interests are not in gaining understanding but rather to critique and poke holes in the beliefs of the Latter-day Saints. My testimony and belief in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not based on the document in your hands. It is not based on the teaching and sophistry of elegant, educated preachers. I am a sinner and have found peace in the life and message of my Lord, Jesus Christ. He died that we all might live in love and peace. We all need to stop throwing stones of discord at each other!

Again compliments to both pastors on the respectful tone.

I'm confused by this video. I don't see what the intent would be if the intent of your channel is lesring all you can about our beliefs. This looks more like Apologia Studios light. Why would you discuss the articles of faith without someone present that understands and believes them? You didn't even explain most of them correctly. That would be like me discussing the apostolic creed with another latter day saint who has only the most rudimentary understanding of it's deeper meaning. There is also a heavy focus on forcing differences in beliefs rather than showing similarities. Division vs unity. This seems like an odd choice and closer to the Apologia way of doing things.

52:36 if you really wanted to be respectful of Latter-day Saints you wouldn’t name your book “40 Questions About *Mormonism*” the Church has asked that you refer to it by its name: The Church of Jesus a Christ of Latter-day Saints. As an evangelical convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I appreciate the nuances of your conversation. I really think it would have been better to include a Latter-day Saint to your conversation.

The gift of tongues in an LDS perspective is the ability to learn and understand languages. Pretty straight forward! Acts 2:4-6 "..because that every man heard them speak in his own language"

It is important to remember that the spiritual leaders of the Savior's time didn't have him killed because they didn't know the scriptures. Jesus Christ didn't match their interpretation of the scriptures. Make sure your interpretation of scripture doesn't blind you from seeing new, true, interpretations of scripture.

I get that pastor Jeff is finding out more about the LDS church.. but why is he having a discussion about OUR beliefs without an LDS member there. This is t asking more, it’s dissecting our beliefs.

One of the very first things that drew me to learn more about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was how they treat others. President Gordon B. Hinkley taught “Let us pray for the forces of good. Let us reach out to help men and women of goodwill, whatever their religious persuasion and wherever they live. Let us stand firm against evil, both at home and abroad. … We can be an influence for good in this world, every one of us.”

Article 8: If God speaks today, then it is patently clear that it is possible that new revelation is possible, for example by correcting traditional interpretations of bible passages. By prescribing hard bounds on what may be considered fixed, belief in sola scriptura is still presuming to place bounds on what God may or may not do.

Eve and then Adam didn't mess anything up. They chose to fall, that man might live. They could not procreate in the garden. They had to learn, by falling, good and evil, joy and sorrow, etc. We are not punished for anyone's sins but our own, IF we don't truly repent. And if we DO repent, Christ has us covered through His Atonement.

Well, I can tell you what speaking in tongue means because I experienced it myself. I was called to serve as a full time missionary in Kenya between 2011 to 2013, not able to speak English. I spent three weeks in an MTC in Johannesburg SA. Within those three weeks I was ready to preach in the language that I was assigned to which is English. I know many young men out there preaching the gospel and experiencing the same thing. We don't believe that when people are speaking in tongue, they speak some unknow language that the audience cannot understand. Just like in the Bible, they would speak other languages than their own so that the people they are preaching can understand them.

And the unofficial Latter Day Saint 14th Article of Faith... "We believe in meetings-all that have been held, all that are now scheduled-and we believe there will yet be held many great and important meetings. We have endured many meetings and hope to be able to endure all meetings. If there is a meeting, we seek after it."

One thing about the "plain and precious truths" taken away from the Bible that the Book of Mormon mentions: This can also mean letters from Peter, Paul, or other apostles that could have been added to the current canon, but which were not. There is a parallel to this in Joseph Smith's story of losing the 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript: Satan is always seeking to take away light and truth, in this case other teachings of the early apostles that would have clarified things further. Thus, this taking away does not have to include the removal or changing of verses from the letters of Paul that we do have, or from the gospels that we have now.

You need to go over all of this again with an LDS authority. You missed a bunch of things and came away with some incorrect understanding. For example: In number 5. We believe that the priesthood is not something aquired through study or approval by the church. It's like a physical thing that can only be recieved from someone who already has it. I was given the priesthood by my father, who recieved it from someone else, who recieved it from someone else. and so on all the way back to Joseph Smith who recieved it from God...in person. I have recieved my priesthood through a traceable chain all the way back from God himself. Joseph Smith recieved the keys to restore the church from God himself. Every single one of these articles is completely different from the beliefs of every other denomination on earth. God's house is a house of order. You will find the exact same doctrine taught no matter which ward, branch, stake, or district in the church you go. I have seen Catholic churches that don't teach the same thing. I have seen members jump from one congragation to another because a pastor preaches something different from a fellow pastor of the same faith. These articles are like the ten commandments written in stone, never changing, unless done so by a Prophet who was told to by God himself. No other church on earth teaches this.

The statement that "Adam messed up" IS THE POINT of disconnect. Adam fell that man might be..... A core element of LDS theology. Father Adam and Mother Eve and their fall was necessary for the rest of mankind to become.

I share the same concern that had already been stated here: there are very few ways to tear down trust than getting two people from another religion to dissect and discuss principles and canon of our faith. Cutting us out of this discussion would be one thing of you were exploring on your own, but including another pastor just makes it look like you're teaming up against us--per the usual that we're accustomed to.

Jeff, I would think regarding your comment about an "updated" version of "The Articles of Faith," you could consider the Proclamation of the Living Jesus Christ, The Family Proclamation, and the Restoration Proclamation would be furtherance to that.

We want the Bible to be translated correctly, and we are thrilled that modern scholarship is documenting its remarkable accuracy. However, modern scholarship has also documented that several of the epistles attributed to Paul were written by someone else years after Paul's death. Scholarship also demonstrates that parts of the four gospels were added years after they were written. The list of inaccuracies in the translations of the Bible currently available is long. I think modern scholarship supports, rather than undermines, Joseph Smith's caution to only believe the Bible to the extent it was translated correctly.

Intellectualism puts spiritual growth on hold. It takes great humility to kneel and ask God, our eternal Father, if this work is His. Someday everyone will know.

Dear Pastor Jeff. I have been waiting so patiently for your response to my simple question : Who do you think wrote the Book of Mormon ? Something for your audience to ponder : It took J.R Tolkien 2 1/2 years to write the 300 pages of the Hobbit or approximately 134 words per day. It took him 15 years to write the Lord of the Rings at 112 words per day. J. R. Rowling wrote Harry Potter, and the philophers stone at approximately 293 words per day. Stephen King wrote the Stand at a half a million words in 647 words per day. Young, uneducated Joseph wrote or translated ( depending on your point of view ), the 779 pages of the Book of Mormon in 65 days, or 4100 words per day. Not too bad for a beginner ? What do you think ?

The tribes referred to in the 10th article of faith are referring to the 12 Tribes of Israel, tracing back to Abraham and his 12 sons. Not the Nephites and the Lamanites. We believe that 10 of the tribes are lost

Hey I'm a member of the church and I love what you've been doing with your channel. I've been watching a kind of similar channel like yours called 52 churches in 52 weeks. He was raised a protestant but decided to go explore many Christian churches and document his journey. But something stood out to him with the LDS church. He has been "investigating" it for over a year now and today he announced he got baptized. I really think you would find his story interesting.

I agree that the Articles of Faith were written as a 30k foot level for a general audience, who at the time had many rumors, misconceptions, and lies about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They are core believes.

I think I have to agree with many of the LDS comments here that this video is a bit frustrating. I love learning about the evangelical approach to things, and in that sense, you guys did a great job. However, it's really weird for your channel that there was no Latter-day Saint present to explain the meanings and how things are understood, so that you'd be reacting to the actual teachings, not your understanding (or not) of the writings. I totally see how having an LDS person present may have turned this into a challenging video to make, because it would decrease your ability to speak freely on certain topics. However, isn't that the point of your channel? Many evangelicals poke holes in our teachings on KZfaq. The things I always love about your videos, usually, is that you set up conversations so that holes can't be poked and we leave feeling that we've learned something about your context - instead of leaving feeling unheard. Asking for clarity on things you missed is a worthy effort, but the things you missed are likely not things that would fit well into random comments on KZfaq.

8th Article of faith.. Kyle was correct in that "Translated" really was broader inclusive of Transmission as well. However, respectfully, Jeff, we don't have the rich manuscript attestation that you assert. Most (99%) of the NT manuscripts are from the 5th century onward. We have ZERO manuscripts from the 1st century. Fragments in the 2nd.. some complete books in the 3rd and it's not until the 4th to 5th centuries that we have full manuscripts... and most of the alleged 5000+ manuscripts that evangelicals often tout.. are well beyond the 5th century. Which then brings up a critical point.. just because we have a lot of manuscripts of something. doesn't make it correct.. Just POPULAR. And thus the large majority of NT manuscripts the exist were simply the POPULAR ones, not necessarily what was originally written or spoken, thus the translation/transmission problem. Bruce Metzger famously or perhaps infamously made the assertion that we can be confident the text we have we have 98% original.. The infamous nature of his comment is that most people misunderstood what he meant by "original'.. they assumed it to refer to the original autographs , but not so- it was the original "source" of existing material.. Such original "Source" may itself be centuries removed from the original Autographs, and in some cases there may not have been an original autograph. So it then becomes a matter of "Faith" that the Bible text we have today, is what was originally revealed by God through his apostles.. But there is NO objective testable evidence to prove that that is true. So it's a matter of faith. Consequently , the "as far as it's translated/transmitted' correctly phrase of the 8th article , is precisely what Evangelicals ACTUALLY believe ,even if they bristle at admitting it.

8:37 When is "Credal Christianity" going to admit that they are following man made philosophies and not what God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ taught? I know the answer is never. It just bothers me how close minded "Credal Christians" are and even looking at the history of Christianity it is a very valid viewpoint that the Trinity evolved at a later date not when Christ and his apostles were on the earth.

This was really helpful. I have been studying with two young missionaries in order to learn more about the LDS faith and last time they were over they read the Articles of Faith to me. The young men didn't understand my questions and I was left thinking the Articles were shallow and divisive. Your understanding of protestantism and ability to compare and contrast viewpoints really makes the Articles make sense. I hope more LDS members watch your channel so they can understand where people's questions come from and then can really have meaningful conversations. Thanks for all your good work!!

Hi Jeff, I'm a long time viewer of your content. I love your channel and your mission. This video could definitely use a a follow up. A lot was missed here that would be good to cover in the future. Thanks for all you do

One thing to notice is that each belief that President Joseph Smith explained in the next article/s of faith builds on the previous beliefs expressed in the previous article/s. So when you come to article of faith 2 that mentions Adam's transgression versus our own, that understanding of doctrine is needed in order to then understand the statements in articles of faith 3 and 4, etc. about why we believe that we need a Savior and to be saved, and why there are principles ordinances of a gospel, etc.

Jeff, you agree with the first Article of Faith. You believe in God, in Jesus Christ, and in The Holy Ghost. But you understand those words according to the philosophies of men proposed in the Council of Nicaea convened, long after the apostolic times by the emperor, Constantine in 325 AD. The philosophy of “the trinity” is not taught in the Bible. Knowledge of the true nature of God is the fundamental truth that was lost in the apostacy and restored to Joseph in his first vision. Everything else that you can’t accept follows naturally from an understanding of the true nature of God. My grandmother used to say, “It wasn’t what I didn’t know that fouled me up. It’s what I knew that wasn’t true.” That's true for you. What you know that isn't so (the philosophy of the trinity), is confusing you. Acting upon what he knew, Saul persecuted the Christians. What he knew that wasn’t true fouled him up. On the road to Damascus, Saul recognized his mistake, when he asked, “Who art thou, Lord?” When Saul recognized Jesus as Lord, he became Paul, the great Apostle. You could do as others have done. Ask God to reveal His true nature to you through personal revelation. When you learn His true nature, it will fundamentally rock your world. You will be delighted and amazed.

In fact, the American experiment seems to have been necessary to lay the groundwork to enable the Restoration through Joseph Smith.

I mean no disrespect with this question, but why would you have someone who doesn't completely understand our beliefs be a part of this video? Would you feel a video with two Latter-day Saints discussing evangelical beliefs be credible? I love your content, however not having a member of the church present makes this entire thing one sided and biased.

As i read through these diversified and passionate comments back and forth it seems clear the vital need for the First Vision and subsequent revelations to restablish who God is, who We are, and what The Plan of Salvation really looks like.

Article 1: Comparing the teachings of the LDS Godhead vs. the historical creedal Trinity is a clear and unambiguous way to evaluate whether LDS are right about a general apostasy.

Just Curious, Why wasn't this conversation with a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? Doesn't make sense? why would you do that? I am a relatively new member of the Church and have enjoyed the back and fourth conversations that you have had with other members. You really missed a great opportunity for your followers here by not having a member of the Church discuss the Articles of Faith with you. but other than that keep up the good work.

A lot has messed here. Jeff, needs to sit down with Elder Bednar, Elder Oaks to thoroughly cover the 13 Articles of Faith. Accountability is individual not Adam’s transgression or anyone else. We are accountable of our own action/ sins.

When we talk about speaking in tongues, it's not screaming and shouting gibberish like y'all do. It's the ability to learn languages quickly to share the gospel to those who are ready and prepared to receive it.

Sola Scriptura is anti-biblical . You don't need to believe in LDS church to think this way, you just need to believe in Revelation 14:6 " Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth-to every nation, tribe, language and people." . The stick of Ephraim needs to be joined to Judah’s stick (the Bible) Ezekiel 37:19. The Book of Mormon is only part of these prophecy. Universal priesthood is one of the weakest point of protestantism . If the Catolic church was corupted then nobody in the world had the authoroty to conduct the Church of Christ. Luther did not solve this problem and was not called by God.

Jesus is clearly not the same being as God the Father, we know that because he asked his apostles "but whom say ye that I am" (Matthew 16:15) Peter responded: "16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16:16) The term "i am" is a personal state of being. If Christ shared the same "being" as the Father Peter's answer should have been "you are God"

There are significant differences in Bible translations, as mentioned, and there are also different canons. The early Ethiopian Bible has 89 books in it, and the Catholic Bible has 73, and the Orthodox Bible has 81. Which is correct? Who gets to determine what is and isn’t words of God? Plain and precious things removed. I absolutely agree that God cannot contradict Himself and so the 66 books can be used as a rule and measuring rod for other texts…by which it is found that the Book of Mormon is in complete agreement in doctrines since it is also scripture. Jesus Christ was sent to all the house of Israel, not just the 2 tribes in Judea. Other sheep of His heard His voice and one account of that is in the Book of Mormon.

No shade to Pastor Jeff but how have you read a Brigham Young biography before the BoM?

I was just thinking that the more the Bible translation scholarship is born out, the more the 8th 35:12 Article of Faith comes true. Latter Day Saints WANT the Bible to be translated correctly.

Article 3: Instead of "by" vs "for" ordinances it is a both by *and* for. Ordinances are the means by which God makes individual personal covenant with you. Covenant is a relationship, lasting far beyond the ordinance. But, the ordinance is the gateway. Looking at baptism in the bible and the early church is the clearest way Protestants can compare their teachings with those of LDS or Catholic and come to realize that there is something critical missing from their theology.

I personally like this one. Yes i do appreciate when you have the LDS perspective. However, i think both you and your guess were more educated than most outside the church on this subject. Yes, i see you punching holes on things that dont make sense from your perspective but it is good for us to see how other people look at things sometimes we take for granted how great is to have all this extra escripture, that to me is a blessing. Seeing your perspective personally helps me to understand how people looking into our believes feel or see them. I think you were respectful and some people are very precious about you pushing your point of view, i just think another perspective is healthy at least once in a while. It is interesting to see what jumps at you guys.

To help understand the articles of faith I would suggest reading Elder James E. Talamage’s booked entitled, The Articles of Faith. Also to understand our views of Jesus Christ, you can also look at another book of his called, Jesus The Christ.

Sola scriptura is always Interesting to me in that the “Catholic Bible” was changed by a man….and has changed by many other reformers. It’s contradictory.

#10 was pretty far off. This is really focusing on two things: missionary work. Nephites and Lamanites are included, but they are one tribe-Manassa. We mean all 10 lost tribes. And government. The new Jerusalem will be a government type location where the spiritual matters will be handled. Judgements, and revelations, corrections, and anything else Christ seeks to share. But Jerusalem will still be a major gather point and governmental center as well according to what I have learned. As for a fourteenth, I’d say we do have them but they are now called among other things, proclamations. Such as the proclamation on the family.

Article 2: The way the fall was framed by your discussion, LDS wouldn't differ much given our view of the "natural man" (Mosiah 3:16-19): The principle purpose in the way the article is framed is to contrast Catholic teachings on original sin which require baptism of infants for salvation.

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I very much appreciated the intent of this dialogue and the respectful approach taken. It is clear you both have taken a lot of time and study to bring an informed conversation to this subject…. However not having a member of the Church also in attendance was a big miss on some very important concepts that would be key in understanding context-especially when discussing original sin, the gathering of the 12 tribes of Israel or in other words Jacobs biological 12 sons lineage and why the symbolism of the locations of where/when Christ will appear at the second coming DOES have significance as well as Priesthood authority given to members of the Church being directly traced back through laying on of hands to Jesus Christ himself. There were a couple other things as I listened that I wished an LDS commentator could have clarified doctrinal points on that would have been helpful to this dive into the 13 articles of Faith, but hopefully you will have a follow up discussion with a Latter Day Saint who had a chance to listen to this episode 😊. God Bless in your work of building bridges in the Christian Faith community 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

This was outstanding, still very respectful. I love how the 2 of you bounce off of each to respectfully discuss both our faith in Christ, where it aligns and where it is different. Bring him back, regularly!

Thank you for this respectful discussion. Those are always enlightening. I do agree with others that it would have been nice to have an educated, faithful LDS input on the discussion because you did tend to miss here and there contextual nuance that better captures the meaning of the text of the Articles of Faith. Thank you for being open to meaningful interfaith exchanges! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

Why not have a Latter-day Saint there with you ?

I appreciate each one of your podcasts because they strengthen my testimony that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. Keep learning with an open mind, and listen to the Spirit to receive a similar confirmation.

I think a video on the gathering of Israel would be beneficial and enlightening. 😊

3rd Article of faith.. Jeff and Kyle respectfully reframe "by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel" into a more Evangelical friendly phrase by changing 'By' to 'For'. However, I think this is incorrect. There is a bit of a nuance here. They did good in noting the over arching context is "through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved" meaning this is Christ centered. However the subtle nuance is this, It's through "FAITH" we are saved Faith in that Christ who brings that attonement. Yet what constitutes "FAITH" from non-Faith.. And that's where obedience to the laws and ordinances of the "Gospel" As it's written in James .. Faith without the works is dead. Now the word "Works" gets used in multiple ways by different writers in the NT.. Paul often used that word to describe 'works of the Mosaic' law'.. but James is speaking of works or efforts consistent with the Gospel that Jesus taught. For instance If Jesus commanded to be Baptized, and you willfully disregarded that ordinance, do you really have "Faith in Jesus".. I would say no.. Notice I said , willfully disregard, not passively or ignorantly.. there are those who have faith and will to be obedient, but life's situation prevents actual obedience, they are different than those who claim to have faith, and willfully disobey or disregard the ordinances of the Gospel. So the nuance is this.. Obedience is inseparably connected to "FAITH".. so if you reword the 3rd article of faith.. It might read: We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by Faith in Christ Just substitute Obedience to the laws and ordinances with Faith in Christ. Faith in Christ is manifest by obedience. Another nuance: that is put forth when Jeff substitutes the word 'FOR' for 'BY' This is a tensor.. In other words, 'For' is presenting the obedience comes AFTER being saved. Which is common for many Evangelicals to believe the ARE SAVED and not seeing salvation as something that occurs in the future. However, LDS would see it a bit more objectively.. That Salvation is something happening in the Future. And such make much more objective sense, since the judgment for one's sins is in theory something that is yet to happen we are in effect not actually in peril at this very moment.. but we will be in peril in the future. Thus it's more accurate and best you can actually say is that you have the hope and guarantee through faith in Christ that you're salvation is assured. It's a rather subtle nuance.. and falls into semantics often.. LDS might say we have faith in Christ and we manifest that faith through our obedience with the hope and assurance that our faith saves us from our sins. And Evangelical might say 'I am saved from my sins because of my faith, so my obedience is because I was saved. " In either case the actions and behavior are identical, with the same end in mind. Thus it's more semantics than anything material. The only time this nuance becomes material is when an Evangelical behaves in a way that is not consistent with someone who has been 'Saved'.. and the answer to that is often, they were never saved in the first place. Since LDS don't see that 'salvation; as happening present time, this is of no consequence, since you still have opportunity to have faith and be saved , which would also be the Evangelical remedy to the same.

I've been waiting for the next Book of Mormon video for a while - hope it'll be out soon. I appreciate the content you make

(LDS perspective here) Great conversation! It's ok to discuss our differences and I am learning to become less uncomfortable with the idea of fellowshipping with other Christian believers without holding judgements toward them. I did have some awful experiences with Evangelicals as a LDS missionary but I also had very kind experiences. I know for a fact that some Latter-Day Saints also use hostile language when conversing with Evangelicals and your channel stands as a testament that it doesn't ever have to be enmity between us. Charity never faileth.

It would be fun to see you go through the Joseph Smith translations of the bible in the footnotes!

Related to the idea of updating the 13 articles of Faith, I would suggest that the D & C serves that purpose

Gift of tongues: I served a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Hong Kong 🇭🇰 and I absolutely experienced this gift. I feel the Spirit of God every time I speak in Cantonese or hear Cantonese.

I grew up in Denmark and the Danish bible is translated from the German bible. Then I moved to Canada, and started using the King James English bible, which have a different translation path from the German bible. I found a few things where my Danish bible was polar opposite to the King James version. I got a brochure from the Danish Bible Company, where they themselves showed that errors had crept into the bible. I have also had to translate back and forth between Danish and English and found out how hard it is to translate the words without loosing the meaning. Also I have seen the change in the Danish language since I left, and the meanings of some words have totally changed.

Hey Jeff, are you going to continue your Book of Mormon reading?

27.27 The bible translation is because with even one passage of the scripture many pastors had different interpretations of its meaning. Hence so forth that it has been translated correctly. Blame God himself for saying all the faiths are false. He is the one that came to Joseph and introduced Christ to him and shared his actual Gospel and must needed knowledge for the new upcoming dispensation the ppl didnt even have the opportunity to experience the saviors actual home as they completely had to go off generation of shared stories about a Christ no one ever got to see. Just always taught abour

Great discussion. Thanks to both of you.

Open, yet fixed Canon.... I would be interested in a deeper explanation on that. I know that we both believe that God doesn't make mistakes. But I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Im curious why you don't believe the Catholic Church is the continuation of Christ's original church?

Thanks for going over the articles of faith. I felt no malice intention in your discussion. It just still makes leery as to why Jeff chose the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter say saints to be so curious about. And when will it end? What denomination will be next? Also, why has the guest written a book about Mormonism? Why not just keep to his Faith. All in all i guess its a good thing that my Faith is being discussed so nicely by Jeff. And the guest was cool too.

I always appreciate your thoughtful and respectful discussions about my faith.

I loved this conversation. Actually, I'm loving everything I've watched so far. I appreciate your openness and inquisitiveness. Carry on, friend!

Dr. Luke Drake in the BYU classics department has a great perspective on different translations of the bible. He was trained at Harvard divinity and UNC Ancient Mediterranean Religions. He might be willing to talk with you on what Mormons believe about the ancient 1 st century church.

Oh how I wish one of you would come and join me or I could join you on your podcast or KZfaq channel. I remind you that the Book of Mormon is written for our day, of course, but it also was a valuable tool while it was being written to the natives of this land. Did God just not speak to the people in the lands of America and just simply wrote them off or say well They're saved anyway because they don't know any better.

Great job! I appreciate your respectfulness with handling our faith!

One thing that people often overlook is that because we believe that Joesph Smith was a prophet when he was writing the Articles of Faith in regards to the 8th Article of Faith, he wasn't just looking at the past and how the Bible might have been mistranslated, but through prophetic sight he saw there would be those who would change the Bible to reflect modern views and values instead of looking backward to Christ and aligning themselves to Christ instead of what is popular in the moment.

Was anyone else distracted by them NOT singing at least one? 😂😂

Where is a representative from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints? He/she could have explained a lot. 🤔 Otherwise, GREAT JOB GUYS 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

I am a member! I loved this discussion. I thought it was very academic and respectful!

I liked that you did more doctrine comparison in this video. To me, this is your most interesting type of content. Great video with a great guest!

On the gift of tongues: This is actually somewhat complicated. There are manifestations of the gift of tongues that at least resemble the sort of charismatic events most often associated with Pentecostals, though Latter-Day Saints would affirm that there are at least a few distinctions here. For one, there was an expectation of order that isn't always present in charismatic Pentecostal speaking in tongues. In some ways, the discussions that I've read around it center on it being an act of faith, that you would be moved upon by the Holy Ghost to speak in tongues, and you would have the faith to do so in spite of any fears you might have that you might do something wrong or look weird, and then someone else would often stand up and translate in that same spirit of faith. But there were also cautions that all of these things were to edify, that if it really is from God then it will edify, build faith, enlighten. So there were always these cautions around this kind of charismatic event, and there was supposed to be a certain order to it, but it was and is believed that this sort of thing could be and was of God (though I suspect that in a modern setting with a modern congregation it would feel so out of place that this sort of thing would be unlikely to edify, which may be why we don't see it anymore, God is even better at being all things to all men in an appropriate way than was Paul, so he may hold back charismatic speaking in tongues types of events when they wouldn't help the congregation, but would make that happen in places where it would help). At the same time, there's a common discussion around the gift of tongues that it may be manifest in different ways, including the way that I learned Romanian relatively easily in the MTC at the start of my mission, that that is a gift of God and a different kind of manifestation of the gift of tongues.

Thirteenth article of faith is my very most favorite. In my youth we were encouraged to memorize them, which I did. They don’t emphasize memorization so much anymore. I feel it’s disappointing. But they must be emphasizing something else. The only change that I recall is the 10th article, where we used to say, “upon THIS, the American continent”. They removed “this” because the church became more worldwide and enlarged membership outside of the United States. And the multitude of opinions on how to pronounce “paradisiacal”.

Overall you guys did a very respectful job and I'm more informed. I love your respectful take. Please do your best to ignore the haters.

The first Church that was established for the first time upon the face of the earth after the era of the original church, that bore the name of Jesus Christ, is the LDS Church. This is the restored Church of the Lamb of God.

A great, open, and respectful conversation. We do believe #5 is relating to the Priesthood.

As a former mormon. I would love to join your church. What a eye opening experience.

Good effort. I was pleased with the good faith approach you tried to take and I expected there to be differences. Thanks for treating those differences with kindness and trying to give brother Joseph the benefit of the doubt. I think that helped you to get really close to understanding them. Thanks.

Very respectful, very impressive. Thank you!

I wish u had an lds to reconfirm the confusion yall have.

Great discussion. But there are some misunderstandings about how you both view the articles of faith. And for the record, Adam and Eve did not screw things up. If you cannot comprehend the blessing of the fall, then you cannot really appreciate the resurrection.

Finally...thank you for this Pastor. As a new believer and former Mormon this has been very informative and answered many questions.😊🙏