This reminds me of the Swiss watch brands figuring out they are popular in China, then making special Chinese editions in red and with dragons etc. while the Chinese loved and bought the Swiss watches for their Swissness, in design and appearance..

Another great review, Mike. And you aren’t reading from a script, you are just sitting there riffing. And never stumbling over words or getting tongue-tied. Your intelligence and watch knowledge is truly impressive. Keep doing these reviews!

Your take on things is outstanding!! I agree with what you are saying 1000%. You truly have a gift when describing things to a dumbass like myself. You have a true gift in the way you illustrate things.

I think it's good that Patek are putting out designs that look more casual and sporty for their dress watch line ups. It's to lure people away from Nautilus and Aquanauts. If there are people who don't like it, that means it's different, which is good. These watches would look great with a T-shirt and jeans. But a classic calatrava would look weird in the same outfit.

It doesn’t actually have the Geneva Seal. Patek abandoned it a long time ago and instead created their own seal. And I totally agree about the movement. But the stamped dial at this price is inexcusable.

One of the most sober and penetrating analyses I've seen on a watch. You're up there with ID Guy.

I think Patek customers are correct in expecting a hand decorated dial, and this stamped effort is clearly a cost saving process that degrades the brand. My main objection is the choice of case material. This would be so much better in a stainless steel case that better captures the sportiness and everyday usability of the watch. They could also significantly reduce the price in S/S that would attract more younger buyers.

The jewel encrusted nutless released at the Dubai Watch show shows Patek is pivoting to a new clientele (ballers, rappers and other nouveau rich types). Patek is turning into a richer nouveau rich than the Rolex client.

Rapidly becoming my favourite watch you tuber. Great stuff, please keep it up, and don't change with the times ;)

Gotta be honest….I like the look/vibe of this watch. Can’t come to terms with the price though

A Swatch Patek 😂. Spot on analysis. My idea of Patek is the basic no date Calatrava with impeccable finishing. Not a watch that drifts towards cheap Swatch or loud Hublot.

I loved that video so much, it was like watching a master chef at work. The way they handled every element was so effortless and perfect, it was like they were dancing with the ingredients. And the final product was an absolute masterpiece, a symphony of flavors that left my taste buds singing. I'm so glad I watched that video, it was an experience I won't soon forget.

Great content. Well researched and brilliantly put together.

Thanks for a great and thought provoking video.

Interesting discussion. It’s indeed a delicate balance that Patek is trying to strike between being fresh and being traditional. I remember reading in a book or article somewhere that in the old days, think 60s-90s, the word trendy is a forbidden word in Mercedes Benz design. They aimed to create designs that are above contemporary trends of the time and one could argue that’s the reason why old Mercs stay looking good for a long time.

2nd time I’ve caught one of your video’s. Very good. Well constructed. Might have to check out a few more, and then maybe subscribe. Well done.

Excellent discussion - much appreciated. After decades of 'looking on' I love your take which is spot on IMHO. Greetings to you and yours.

Excellent delivery. Lots to learn from your calmness and demeanor. I'm a university lecturer and I'm looking for ways to improve my teaching and your channel does just that. Plus I learn more about watches as a bonus

I’d be worried if my customer base had one foot in the grave while circling the drain 😎!! Great vid

Strangely enough the 600X watches are my favorites and I nearly bought the 6006G with the small seconds and pointer date, because it was different and funky but a Patek. I love it when brands are having a bit of fun, of course it’s a bit relative with PP but hey….

It’s sad because the 6000 and 6006 were relatively innovative and quirky, whereas this just looks like a tissot.

I think you are absolutely right. Now…Patek was a real game changer many many years ago. The first calatrava was a revolutionary watch. I think they can make something entirely new, create a new trend, but this color watches that look like a micro brand kickstarter are not innovation or really new revolutionary stuff. Maybe the nautilus was, in a way, also the aquanaut. Imagine if patek had created the Moser streamliner, that could be a good example of revolutionary and trendy Patek.

Another great vid. Patek is a great family company. I like the classic dress models and the care they put into their designs and movements. However, in recent years, I feel they are chasing the next generation customer as all companies are across the board. Thus, we end up with models like this. I like the engine analogy. Thank you, Chris

You have a really good sense of brand identity. Great perspective.

I often wondered when the law of diminishing returns kick in when considering fit, finish, and accuracy. Not sure anyone needs to spend anything more than Rolex at retail unless you appreciate the hand finished movements. Other than that, Rolex 10k-15k gives you everything you need especially with accuracy. My Rolexes are the most accurate movements I have ever seen in mechanical watches. I set my Rolex Explorer 40mm to a reference time 6 months ago and the watch is +7 seconds. I hate sounding like a Rolex fan boy but they produce almost the perfect watch for their retail price.

Another great video! Thank you! Would really enjoy hearing you speak on FP Journe. 2nd time watching this😅🙌🏻

When a watch costs as much as a car, I choose the car. But I will dream of the watch for a couple of weeks. Eventhough I have plenty of money in the bank, to retire, no debt, own multiple homes, I just would rather spend my money on other things and vacation trips. But most of all, I don't draw more pleasure by spending a lot of money on watches. A little goes a long way, but more doesn't give me more pleasure. Maybe I'm just cheap. I think I'm being wise.

Very interesting questions and answers Enjoyed it

0:00 Let's talk about Sekts bay-bee, let's talk about you and me, let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be.....That song was a banger back in the day.

Absolutely on point! Also, PP is even taking a bit joy out of the journey .. it's as if they made a shortcut for the young watch enthusiast who is still not able to afford (or still feels too young) one but knows he'll eventually end up with one (or not but then this watch doesn't help either)

I discovered your channel today, very informative and interesting! Big congratulation! I'm waiting for Tudor BB54, I saw your video about it. Hi! From Switzerland Zoltan

This is like the rolls Royce’s cullinan. Completely unnecessary but at the same time absolute essential if you are a collector.

Agree - spot on, my first PP would be a 6119G-001, I want the classic, quality PP

Lol. Someone from Patek watching this and thinking.."bro, thanks for 15 min analyzation, but we just wanted to add some color..."😂😂

Great job as always. I’m much more cynical - this is the entry Patek to start the relationship building to one day MAYBE be deemed worthy of getting one of the real Pateks. IWC: we’re going to come out with a watch (Ingenieur) and price it ridiculously. PP: hold our champagne…

Beautiful watch!

This resonated a lot with me, thank you. I am not buying a PP in the very near future, but it is quite likely that I will be there in a few years from now. The idea of my "having made it" watch is a classy, masterfully made but discrete and timeless one. PP with their history and their stance as pinnacle of watchmaking to me would be the ultimate brand, but looking at their catalogue I cannot point to a model variant and declare it my grail. There simple Calatravas (which to me make the brand along with their complicated chronographs) have grown to 40mm (which is too large for me a dress watch). In smaller sizes they are blingy, diamonds everywhere and else designwise utterly feminine. I do not know if I would want to go vintage for a 2526/5196/5227, probably not, I will probably look elsewhere...

great video, makes very good point. to me, one needs to choose among color variations for a high end product is naturally against its value proposition

I haven't watched the video yet but I immediately cracked up reading the title and had to click on it.

I like your take and it’s an interesting video. I personally quite like the watch, I like the red one because the colours kinda match my logo which means something to me. Maybe one day! The one thing I don’t get it is why anyone is looking at brands like Patek and VC etc are judging their watches on things like power reserve compared to Omega? It’s the equivalent of writing off a Rolls Royce because it’s MPG compared poorly to Audi. Power reserve is irrelevant to a watch collector, someone spending this money on a watch like this doesn’t have one watch that they take off on Friday and want to put back on Monday, if they did they’d buy a water proof one I’d guess and not a delicate Patek dressed down dress watch? I think it’s intentionally younger and divisive as a result. I don’t think it’s particularly trendy at all. It’s just a sportier looking dress watch, the overall design is timeless enough. It looks like watches of old but with a splash of colour and a bit of pattern. They got the same accusations when the introduced a Pilots watch with no history of making Pilots watches. It didn’t suit their existing audience so much, but it did suit plenty of people and it’s a beautiful watch. Staying in their lane making old man watches would not seem a good long term play for Patek either. A few watches that appeal to different eyes to get new customers in or to offer something “out there” to existing collectors is not a bad watch idea to me. A watch that appeals to some eyes and not others similarly seems better than a plain dull reinvention of the same Calatrava my Great Grandad could have worn. It’s also not a bad idea for Patek owners to have something a little different. If you were lucky enough to have a Nautilus, Aquanaut, Calatrava and maybe a manual chrono or Annual Calendar. Maybe this watch appeals to that collector something different in their collection. There are people out there with 4plus Patek’s and to have something novel in Patek’s catalogue and a completely different look for those people is no bad thing either. Let’s face it, for some people (not me) the Calatrava is the watch you buy first to allow you to buy the ones you really want later from the AD. A slightly sportier calatrava maybe offers a more palatable gateway to an Aquanaut etc down the line than a watch you might only way for special occasions and not every day.

Iam not a Patek buyer but Ive tried this model and the hobnail calatrava in a wonderfully accomodating Patek boutique in Thailand. Obviously none were for sale but I was able to try many watches. My taste would be for the 6119 but if I was to buy one that day I would choose the sporty unPatek Patek 6007. I could wear it more often and its casual look and racing design cues speaks more to a casual lifestyle vs the much prettier but always dressy 6119. So maybe they are appealing to non Patek buyers. The grey market prices show that its working.

Spot on, I actually had it on my wrist and it felt more like a Tag style than a Patek. Lovely watch nonetheless but so different from the rest of the range.

Excellent video as always! Agree with all your points 👍🏻 have you seen the 6006G?? (discontinued).. 39mm, white gold, micro-rotor movement, black dial without the controversial printed pattern . Elegant with just a touch of sportiness. That’s the perfect middle ground and the best of the 6000-6007 line IMO (goes for below retail somehow)

Your video is incredibly insightful and thoughtful, with a but…. The but is people’s personal design language often changes over time as they progress in their watch collection journey. Yes this watch is not the typical Patek that most collectors have come to know and love. And yes, Patek is expanding their already broad lineup to go after a younger audience. Or is it a younger audience? And this is the but… Having been a collector of Patek for about two decades, and with those years spent collecting more classic Patek watches, I have realized something. My tastes in watches has evolved. I still very much love my more classic Patek’s. Yet I desire more bold designs now. I enjoy watches with more color. I appreciate risk taking in watch design. This evolving design language has lead me to other brands. Brands I otherwise would not of considered because Patek did not historically create bold and progressive designs. Yet I love my Patek’s and want Patek to take risks! Prior to watching this video, I would have struggled to contemplate a 6007G, or even one of the very loud precious gemstone Nautilus or Aquanauts. But having had this discusión with numerous collectors recently, having added more modern design pieces from other brands to my collection, and then watching this video just now, I have realized I need to give Patek the benefit for the doubt. I need to follow my design language and trust Patek with some of their modern pieces. So as I type this, I am concluding I am adding one to my collection!

There are only two patek watches I really like and eventually want to get hold of: The Golden eclipse and steel aquanaut.

It’s now April 2024 and, at least in the U.S., these watches, brand new, are selling under MSRP. It’s comforting to see some shred of rationality in the watch market.

brilliant stuff

Think of Porsche when they first came out SUVs. How very un-Porsche, yes? But today, the Cayenne is doing extremely well. The mindset of the customer changed. The customer changed. They grew older and had kids. Porsche did not want to allow the customer $ to go to another brand. They did not want the customer to have a 911 and Volvo type SUV. They want the customer to have BOTH the 911 and a Cayenne. I believe Patek is doing the same thing here. And they are dipping their horological toes into the cool-pool. For both the first-time patek buyers as well as the existing patek customers, they are offering an alternative to yet “another conservative piece”. I believe they have their sights on existing AP customers that have become bored with royal oaks. Best wishes from Singapore Marc☀️

The dial and the texture strap make the watch look spoty but in a playful way... This is a luxury watch to complement someone's athlesure outfit 😅. The white Date window may look like a dissonance in the dial, but it sort of gives certain symmetry in the dial... But this definitely looks like a Patek equivalent of "Hello fellow kids..."

In other words, no need for Patek to come to us. We will go to Patek, as and when we can.

Saw them in Watches and Wonders, and I find them stunning. I personally like the red one. To me, it is entering something with a slightly new design language, while still being classy in its own way. Patek defines who they are, not collectors. ALS collectors also rejected the Zeitwerk in 2009, this is not ALS! Yes, it was. You just need to be open-minded to new things.

Thanks, great video. Its funny, never looked at Patek, but, the more I look at watches, the more interest I get in watches, the more I look at Patek. But for now I settle with GS and Tudor, they are attainable. But who knows what the future hold. In the last few days I have fallen completely in love with a Tissot, the Heritage 1938 salmon dial, nothing fancy or expensive or exclusive, but attainable now. What do you think of that Tissot model, or What do you think of Tissot in general?

This reminds me of long gone Louis Vuitton looks at least the dial which is not a good thing.

Good stuff.Only error is they no longer have the Geneva Seal and it says PP in the shield on the movement.Another sneaky move by them.Hate their advertising;the bloody kids can buy their own Apple Watches.

I never thought Patek would be offering their own versions of a Seiko 5, yet here we are. However, I'm not young with more money than taste, so I'm not the target audience (just kidding for those that like the watch, but it's not my style). I think they're looking at brands like AP for inspiration to hook new and younger customers. Maybe we'll soon see grand complications with enameled Batman and Superman. The "sporty" and more eye-catching Calatravas might also explain Patek's new crop of very iced-out Instagram watches. Nevertheless, if people are buying it, who am I to judge. That's capitalism. I'd just be happy if they shrank down some of their classic offerings to the more reasonable sizes of past years. Both types of styles can exist in Patek's catalog at once. Lastly, I additionally recall in an W&W 2023 interview Theirry Stern mentioning how he was slowly bringing his two sons into the business to eventually pass it on. The new Pateks might their influence.

I like the watch for its looks. But not sure about the pricetag when the dial is stamped.

It looks like a $699 microbrand piece. It very un-Patek. I heard that the CEO’s young kids helped design them.

My 3rd gen Vacheron Constantin Overseas also has no stop seconds 😂

It’s not even gaudy or flashy, it’s downright ugly.

Going to buy this one and the weekly calendar just cause they are awesome.

This watch epitomises the fact that Patek is living on old glory and reputation and their new watches are really a few levels bellow the concurrent brands. Compare this to a random watch from A Lange or Vacheron or Glashutte Original

Great video and on point

Well done. I can see the appeal, but I can't imagine this being a classic Patek owner's first or only Patek. In terms of the non-classic owner, they already have the Aquanaut etc. so this would only be a half measure in terms of trying to be cool or trendy.

This watch is well executed and balanced. That the dial may be stamped is not a deal breaker. I’m sure Patek uses a stamp machine with special qualities and advanced technology rather than ordinary stamps used by other companies.

Nederlands Engels I bought the rose gold Calatrava 5119 a month ago from Chrono1010 from Prague. Beautiful watch.

1 big problem. 30m water resistance.

Well said. If Patek wanted to get into something a little trendy, they should have created or bought a different brand or name to put on it. What everyone expects from Patek is very expensive but classy watches. Rolls shouldn't get into the Lexus market. It just lowers them to a lower level.

Pagani Design just released their version 😊😊😊 I will probably buy it. Still around 130 euro, I will wait until it comes dowb below 70...😂😂😂 Yes, I am THAT cheap.

Excellent!

I like the yellow one and I'm old enough to be your dad. I think a watch at that price should hand finish their dials but I'm not their customer, either. If I were to buy a Patek for $37K, it would be a dress watch.

Absolutely 100 % agree on your saying !

You are dead right. I think it's a beautiful watch but will not appeal to a Patek wearer. Obsessive Patek collectors are another species - they won't be able to restrain themselves as one day this will be a very special Patek. it's as though their designers created something for another brand. Your analysis is superb.

Patek is very aware of the trap that the Reverso, Royal Oak has created for other great brands. Patek wants more spread, more models that are liked instead of only the 5711.

It’s a $37k Omega SeaMaster Olympic that gives strong Spinnaker vibes 🎉

Any thoughts on the weekly calendar 5212a steel calatrava

I think you’re right in thinking that Patek is chasing after a desire to be young and relevant to the younger demographic. I don’t know how else to explain the newest releases last week… the new aquanaut 5260. Those are just ghastly!

Interesting and insightful commentary; however what's missing is the fact that the high end luxury market is getting younger with each year. That you want to purchase a classical PP perfectly fits your age and watch knowledge. However, the facts of the Swiss industry show us that new buyers today are about 15-20 years younger than the typical PP buyer was back in 2002....

I have seen two of these watches in the local Patek AD. They were 'already sold', so it begs the question, why unbox and display a watch nobody can buy? But as I learned, the AD had no Patek of any kind for sale. They also have no waiting list. Who knows what the business model is? But the AD will not sell you a watch. Does designing a watch for youthful buyers fit with a company that will not sell you any watch? Who knows? I don't visit the Patek AD anymore. The entire watch hobby seems idiotic at times. The AD games reinforce my suspicion that watch collecting is a distraction for rich people with meaningless lives. The company best characterizing the hidden vulgarity of it all is Patek. A joke, told by a fool and heard by an idiot.

I’ve been contemplating whether a watch like this year’s golden armor divine dragon - year of the dragon g-shock is a step too far with gaudy design, though g shocks aren’t known for luxurious designs, they have a restrained utilitarian look. Would you buy that model? Your opinion might help inform my future decisions with watches like that from Casio

6:50 that 6007A ❤❤❤

Give me a Nomos Club Sport Neomatik 39 Tabac over this PP any day of the week. Now that's a REALLY cool watch.

Spot on!

This watch is a casual daily for a guy who owns a minute repeater and datograph platinum. Such pieces make more sense when put into context

Incredible deduction of the current state of Patek.

Bravo! I love the concept but will stay with my Calatrava 5196G...... I am a 68 year old 2015 Porsche 911 Targa 4S owning Dad but might buy a 6007 stainless model for $20K!

I like the watch, but after listening to you I understand why people don't. When I first saw it I thought, roulette anyone?

I like the watch myself - would not buy it though - I would prefer nearly double up the spend and get that steel salmon dial world timer But great video everything you said does indeed make sense

Absurdly priced for what you are getting IMO. Having said that I really like the red accent version.

Fantastic

I actually quite like it. A fun take. But can’t stomach the price

I own the yellow version of this. My first patek. This video was great. Its a gangster watch, looks and feels great. Gets 0 attention. I bet they discontinue it because dudes that cant get it up any more dont like it 😂

I am happy with my cellphone which has all the functions that i need. I did have a seiko quartz once which was very accurate. I guess I will never be cool.

Was the original 6007 non coloured dial not stamped?

Your points are well taken but if there is a fallacy to your argument, and there may not be, is that times change so quickly now that the market is very different from what we have been used to and it could end up staying that way.

Patek Phillipe is an aspirational brand. It is worn by some of the hippest celebrities, athletes etc around: John Mayer, Ed Sheeran, Drake, Lionel Messi and on and on. Those folks wear Patek because it demonstrates their wealth and status and they don’t wear this model. John Mayer:Perpetual Calendar Chronograph, Drake: 40th Anniversary Nautilus, Ed Sheeran: 5208p Grand Complication. I think its fine that Patek may be trying to broaden its market share with a straight forward diver or driver but they will have to bring it in at an approachable price point. That will of course anger their base because a more approachable Patek will mean the brand no longer excludes the tawdry masses.

Nice

AP Code 11:59 steel dials are stamped.

A proper dresswatch IS manual wind (thin enough to slide under a cuff) and, which is its most key (none) feature, NO DATE. It's a matter of etiquette. Traditionally it's considered rude to not know the date when attending a formal occasion and since you only wear it every now and then an automatic is not necessary. 40-50 (half)turns gives you all the power you need for the occasion.

Not my kind of watch, but great video!:)

tbh i like it, though it will be another 5-10 years when i can afford a patek but i guess yeah, at that point i probably will be a dad already. For now I will just stick to omega, GS, tudor and zenith.