They are pretty great actually, I'm pretty excited for Owlcats upcoming 40k project too.

Love this idea.

If you like Iomedae, you may want to look into the videogame Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous by Owlcat Games if you haven’t already.

I like cheese

Thanks so much for watching and for the kind comment!

You're right, there's a lot of lore to cover. I may come back and do more on Aroden and the Azlanti in future videos.

@@TheMythKeeper I have a great theory about the circumstances of Arodens death, the prophecy of his return and how it comes about. All fitting perfectly into the established lore. If interested I'd be glad to share it with you.

Haven't played the AP, but the CRPG is amazing.

She is at the center of the setting and its a rare campaign where one of my players doesn't have some connection to her. Hope you enjoy the content!

@@TheMythKeeper Ive been enjoying it a lot. Very Hight Quality stuff. I have an idea for a series if you're interested :)

@@Unikatze I'm always interested in ideas for series, please share!

Hey, thank you so much and welcome to the channel!

You're very welcome Derek! Thanks for watching 🙂

Thanks so much, I'm subscribed to your vids as well. 🙂

@@TheMythKeeper Thank you! :)

There are definitely worse choices than the god of money!

Thanks for the feedback! Watch the first bit of my Taldor video, there's some content about the history of Azlant in there that's worth watching, but I don't have a full video yet.

That one is recorded and in the can. It may be a few weeks until it comes out though as I have a few more videos to release first!

Definitely some strong parallels to be drawn between the god-emperor and Aroden

This is awesome and honestly sounds like the perfect start to a great campaign. Enjoy it!

I try to use Pathfinder canon wherever possible, but since that's a limited supply I also use art I find on pinterest, on artstation.com and deviantart.com

Thanks again :). You are always very quick to reply to my comments and I appreciate that! Keep up the great work my friend.

Absolutely. He's technically a god of trade, progress and the exchange of ideas; so capitalism is but one possible emergent system, but I think as long as people are bartering and sharing, Abadar sees it as positive. Different Abadar sects on different planets of the material universe may have completely different takes on how his teachings can be adopted.

Yeah pretty much

There's plenty to speculate on here. Thematically I think the important take-away is that you can't trust prophecy, and there is no such thing as destiny in Pathfinder

Of course 😂

Common misconception for D&D folks coming over to Pathfinder. In Pathfinder, Gods are not powered by belief. Some Gods are very powerful, and remain hidden, with no worshippers at all. (Some day I may discuss the Peacock Spirit which is one such example.) When Mortal worship a God they are entreating the God for special powers (divine magic!) but its entirely at the God's discretion whether they offer it to the mortal. Some gods are free-wheeling with their power, others offer power to mortals only for something in return. Depends on the God and their disposition. Any post-mortal life-form that dies in the Outer Planes, including angels, devils and gods, will effectively dissolve. Their quintessence will be re-absorbed into the outer plane where they were originally ascended to divinity; and their 'spirit' such as it is will effectively pass into the structure of the heavens or the hells that made them. Bringing a God back to life is enormously difficult, because their quintessence gets essentially scattered like stardust. But its also not impossible. Watch my Geb video, and you'll see that the Ghost King managed to bring Aroden's first herald, the angel Arazni, back to life in this way. Also if Gods die on the material plane _instead_ of the outer planes, things get weirder still, because that soul stuff will essentially try to escape back out to the outer planes but may not be able to. Some of it may remain trapped and warp reality. The best example of this is the Mordant Spire. The goddess Acavna died above Golarion and her corpse fell to the Earth. From where it landed, the Mordant Spire, a vast crystal tower, emerged, and no one really understands how or why. Its also served to transform the elves who claimed it into the weird Mordant Spire elves. But of course, ultimately, this is narrative fiction as much as its a game, so the answer to "What happens when a God dies in Golarion" is actually "Whatever the GM wants to happen." Hope that's the answer you were looking for ;-)

interesting, because I had watched your other god video on the azlanti gods death and the spire aswell as this with aroden I wondered why no-one attempted to bring them back. Also in dnd you could almost differentiate gods and say demonprinces with one requiring by their portfolios petitioners.@@TheMythKeeper

@@fistimusmaximus6576 Especially in the case of a god as influential as Aroden, you can bet that that very many people tried to bring Aroden back. Not just people, but also other Gods. I have no doubt Iomedae (being his herald at the time) tried every avenue to bring him back. There is a nice little detail when I did my Aeons video, which isn't out yet but is coming soon, where the Godmind of Axis had to recalibrate and adjust the universe's system of physics and quantum mechanics after Aroden's death, so for that particular death something went seriously out of whack, and it went well beyond the death of one deity. The exact details have been intentionally left a little fuzzy, so individual game groups can do with that what they will.

ahh interesting, thanks for the lore, pathfinder content seems hard to come by.@@TheMythKeeper

In later videos I get a popper and stopper and its a little better. Sorry about that.

Iomedae is associated in the game world with chivalry and duty, but at her core she is in fact a war goddess. She won her stripes by going toe-to-toe with the Whispering Tyrant. She believes some fights have to be won, and in those circumstances she's willing to bend on her lofty morals. I think its totally fair to dislike Iomedae, but I also think its characters that make us a little uncomfortable from time to time that make for the most interesting characters. I don't know, your mileage may vary.

@@TheMythKeeper Not sure how much the book version differs from the CRPG, but I'm mainly speaking about CRPG Iomadae. For a god she seems really petty and very willing to drum up excuses for whatever decision she makes. The only one I can agree with is not simply smiting nocticula. Then again can't imagine deskari and baphomet disliking it tho. THey might actually abuse that to try and get rid of Noc for a second time in her realm. To then fully focus on invasion. What I blamed her for most is that you are on your path of whatever divinity you chose. Acting as if her ascension was more special. As if she is worried about her place in the whole of it, like a lawful evil ruler. Also her reluctance in just telling Inheribro to not risk his life in the abyss, to let the commander figure it out. I think my issues with iomadae is that gods are supposed to be above human, sure she is still a "fresh god". With just a century or so of experience at that point. The Pathfinder deities reminding me of olympian gods and their chaotic impact on human llife just mostly force me to go the atheist route. Honestly I like the power fantasy, becoming a whatever and going for the ascension route, basically makes you part of the pantheon. But since you haven't died you are basically a (Im)mortal god. Still having freedom to run around golarion without breaking cosmic rules. Especially after breaking inevitable. But story wise it completely trivializes the impact of the gods. So maybe my issues are purely with the story told and personality presented. Hmmm just had a thought that we are told that pathfinder and dnd by extension have an absolute morality. While I believe morality doesn't exist in those universes. Just deities and their portfolio's, The belief that there is such a thing like lawful - chaos + good - evil seems to be a mortal misconception. Of course the "civilized" people are lawful while barbarians are "chaotic" Chaos is in itself a form of order. Because if chaotic evil would form anything in the abyss to make them suffer it wouldn't make chaotic evil demons, they'd create lawful good patches that completely go against the realms status quo. Lawful good brings a lot of suffering to "chaotic evil" beings. Ah well.

@@lakkakka Its definitely true that the 9 afterlives and the alignment system trivialize the complexities of real world morality. One of the things I'm really excited about in the upcoming Remaster, is that as Pathfinder is moving away from D&D Open Game License, they are also dropping the alignment system altogether. I think ultimately this will be for the betterment of the world. Also, yes, Pathfinder Gods are definitely not like our conception of Gods, but are more like the Olympian or Norse gods, often petty and very human, not all-seeing, an so on... They are just extremely powerful, and capable of performing magical miracles, and conferring power on mortals who worship them.

@@TheMythKeeper sounds like a very good decision on their part. Sure I am aware that dm's are basically 'god' the one who sets all the rules. But too many of those 'gods' follow the book of guidelines like a book of irrefutable truth. So I like that they removed it. On the petty gods thing. To me they perfectly reflect real life society. Especially in how heavily they try to enforce their ideals and punish me as an autist not playing their social status games. So in the end I tend to always want to turn to demon or lich runs in WOTR either as an atheist or only following those whose portfolio is in line with my personality. So I'd only follow as long as I agree with them. Not out of worship. Then again abstracts are impossible to deal with. Too vague. Too dependant on things that aren't concrete. Hmmm now I am honestly wondering what species I would be reïncatnated into if being reïncarnated into your favourite fantasies is a form of afterlife. I can only think of outliers like elves, gnomes, dwarves or the oread. Bit off topic but ah well.

She is a goddess of music and is associated with songbirds, sorry if I lean too heavy on that.