😂😂 I'll keep that in mind!

“Wearing a dress” Stacking 20 million AC

Dress don't matter if they have mirror image and a 50% miss chance, and can kill you with one will save lol.

Pretty sure that is hellknight, not armiger. Overall, hellknight is rather bad.

Like Lefty said you do not get Disciplines until you go into Hellknight. Armiger doesn't get access.

@@notalefty999 Yeah I conflated the two. Thanks for the correction. I even built Regill that way, just forgot the details. I agree Hellknight isn't worth going over level 3 (for Fearsomeness).

If you are at all interested in powergaming, kineticist is an exceptionally bad class for multiclassing beyond taking a 1 level dip in another class.

I agree with Lefty that pure Mutation Warrior is probably the better way to go.

@@SlanderedGaming From a pure power gaming perspective definitely, but I don't multiclass for power lol I find multiclassing in CRPGs to be the best way to make a character fit a specific theme, but if you want a character to be as powerful as possible, then it's almost always best just to focus on a single class, since high level class features will invariably beat out any combination of lower level features. I appreciate the concern though 🙂

idk what this would look like on a Legend, but I could lore-wise see him taking the Kineticist stuff 21-40. But I have no idea if it works even with the 20 extra levels. I really have a poor understanding of Kineticist in particular.

@@mtaur4113 Legend caps out at 20 in a single class, so yes, a multiclassed legend kineticist is fine. But honestly, level 19 kineticist is really the minimum number of levels you want to take if you take it at all. The issue with kineticist is that its mechanics are completely unique to that class, and therefore other classes dont really help you be a more effective kineticist, particularly given the opportunity cost. Every 2 levels of kineticist costs you an extra 1d6 or 1d6+1 blast damage, doubled for composite blasts. You only get 2 picks of the most powerful form infusions at levels 17 and 19. You only get metakinetic master at level 19. Your spell pen is tied to your kineticist level specifically, so you are completely screwed as an energy kineticist if you heavily multiclass. 4 levels of fighter for the extra attack per round and weapon specialisation might sound useful for a kinetic blade build, for example, but when you realise that your base damage will be 2d6 lower AND you will lose 50% damage on all your attacks on top of that as you lose the ability to empower your kinetic blade without a burn cost (and without zero burn cost, you cannot perform a full attack action with kinetic blade for any significant amount of time), it quickly becomes apparent that this is a terrible trade off. As for legends, your best bet is to either specialise in kinetic blade (but certainly dont go kinetic knight) and take advantage of the massive BAB and APR, or to take a support class, or do both (my legend 20 kineticist/20 skald was really powerful but in terms of kinetic blade usage and buffing the party). Without legend, though, a fighter kineticist is a non starter. At most, you have 1 spare level and there isnt all that much you can do with a single level. Your best bet it probably something like overwhelming soul 19/scaled fist 1 for a large AC bonus, as with the right build, you can get a very decent AC this way, though lagging 1 level behind a pure kineticist, and having to take the overwhelming soul archetype probably isnt worth it. Personally, for non legend builds, I would just go with the base kineticist class (none of the archetypes are a clear upgrade) and take 20 levels.

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Thank you!

I agree that Aldori Defender can be fantastic. I made a Blade build that used the Legend mythic path combining AD, Duelist, and Aldori Swordlord. I rated it a little lower because so much of it is based on being Defensive whereas I think there are some other classes that make you a little more vulnerable but give you a lot more firepower.

Gonna back you up on Two Handed Fighter, though I went for a scythe instead of an greataxe. Without even getting into mythic abilities or spell buffs, stacking up Power Attack, Lunge, and Improved Cleaving Finish onto the Wide Sweep scythe makes you look like a lawnmower driving over a tomato field.

Hitting a crit with a scythe is so very satisfying as a 2 handed fighter.

On Two Handed Fighter, weapon training isn't lost .. it is enhanced because you get it for ALL two handed weapons .. It's unfortunate to lose the Bravery sequence of feats (can be to all Will with an extra feat) and by losing the armor training you have to stick to medium armor and/or hit from behind the frontline with reach. Best of all is using the Legendary Proportions spell and cleave half the screen 😄

@@Dan-uf2vh Yeeeeeeah but losing out on heavy armour super does not matter imo. Stuff is poop. The protagonist often has resistances against compulsions from their mythic path too, so idk - I rarely felt like I was missing out from bravery. But yes, when you get buffed up to supersize as a Two-handed-fighter the splat power is very satisfying.

Two Handed fighter does sick damage! Wide Sweep is an amazing Scythe or specializing in glaive is also great because it's a reach weapon and let's you avoid damage early game. A 1 level dip into rowdy is good also just for the extra sneak attack dice you get.

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Will do thank you!

I am gong to doing a summary video of the series once it is done.

Glad you like them!

I've never used a Cleave build for the game but it's definitely something I want to do at some point.

Not really as far as I know. Nothing that will make it respectable at least.

My pleausre!

Absolutely. :)

Great call outs thank you!

You need to cast it on yourself for Archamge Armor to work, so Nenio and neither Ember themselves can make it work on your frontliners, potions also no longer work. At first I thought you ment for scrolls scribing, but then you wouldn't mention Enduring. And you need mental stat to AC + DEX (Monk, SS, Inst. Warrior) or Oracle/Scaled Fist to make it better than Fighter with Armor Training/Mutagen, just DEX + Archmage will make it equal at MR10.

@@MortalReaver i did not knew that. Thank you.

@@MortalReaver I didn't know that drinking a Mage Armor potion no longer counts! Wow.

Whoa!! Definitely didn't realize that thank you for pointing it out.

Yup a lot of people take her down the Demonslayer route.

Absolutely!

Good call out thanks I'll make sure to note that from here on out.

Nice call out! Yeah that would be awesome.

I didn't feel comfortable rating it higher because no matter how much damage you do you'll need to be able to take a hit. That's where the problems with THF begin.

@@SlanderedGaming in my opinion, any fighter is fat_enough. They might be not literally invincible lit monk or tower shield, but they do the job done well. And most dire situations are usually not ones where your main character is down, but when whole party gets Mind Fog over them with some confusion and insanity effects following

@@SlanderedGaming TBF, they do make pretty solid off-tanks. Much better at that than a barbarian in any event and their damage output is similar if not higher. Usually higher.

Whenever I say that I mean an archetype within the class itself. In this case Mutation Warrior is clearly better than a standard Fighter. You know which one is clearly superior because I either directly state it or it's rated higher than all of the other options.

Nope. I have read it's missing several features from the tabletop so maybe that was one of the things left out.

For me the game gets SIGNIFICANTLY easier once I have a Mythic Path even on Core difficulty. There are fights I dread every time I play in Act 1 & 2. There's nothing I dread act 3 and beyond.

@@SlanderedGaming I have a lot of trouble with the dragon and the cyborg place. plus the uber optional bosses but i guess you don't need to fight those. maybe i just need to git gud :P

He loses too much tankiness for me to rank him higher. He's not going to be able to kill everybody so after the initial bloodshed he'll need to take a hit and that's when the problems start. LOL

I'd add that the anti-sunder stuff is useful, too. I've been hit by a fair few of those since I started the game a few weeks ago. IDK if they patched it in recently but I see it a LOT now. Plus a lot of that stuff for more damage makes a scythe hit like a bag of bricks on the guaranteed crits. 4x damage on a guaranteed crit with all that stacked on? Pow.

Draconic Presence provides you with Dazzling Display which is a prerequisite for Shatter Defenses. Other classes can just take the Dazzling Display feat and then get Shatter Defenses.

@@SlanderedGaming So they fixed it, that's good. they are technically different feats as the version the DHS gets only takes one action (rather than full round) and for a long time it was bugged in that it wouldn't serve as a prerequisite for other feats that required dazzling display. Essentially I tried it once when the game came out and never looked back.

This is true, definitely should've mentioned that, and yeah I think it's super weird that they did it this way.

There is no E ranking only F. I know two classes at least will get that ranking but not sure if there will be more.

@@SlanderedGaming Ah, that's what I meant, sorry. I keep forgetting that Americans skip the E xD.

It's in the video. :)

LOL thank you!

Yeah it doesn't have a lot going for it.

LOL We are making it happen!

It's definitely bland which is why I hate that it's what Wenduag gets. She deserves something with a little more spice.

@@SlanderedGaming true that but at least it's only 1 level. I usually go Ranger Demonslayer since her alignment prevents her from being a good Slayer Deliverer.

You do lose Weapon Training which can be applied to any weapon and in turn you get one that only applies to two handed weapons. Yes it's better for a specialized class but that doesn't change the facts. It's also true that this class is great for damage but I still say that it's lacking defensively and consequently rate it lower. Thanks for the feedback.

@@SlanderedGaming Litteraly possibly the easyest class to get into unfair differculty with ... even a unproperly made 2Handed fighter a Reach weapon behind the Tank can make the class pretty tanky truth be told if you know how to use formations properly that is ... we just letting the AI hand things or what? coz it can be tanky ... so no its MORE flexible then normal weapoon training not less flexible, The fact you diss and downgrade the 2HF like th at and a number of other things you state about a few of the other subclasses is just cringe, sorry but not sorry this games rep of having terrible/shit guides and what knock seems to be true.

@@SlanderedGaming also just FYI have you seen the super tanky Aoen Tower Shield Spec? If you want a class thats all about the D .... legit can be super Tanky level 1-20 as a Tower Shield Spec or not enough offensive for yeah?

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Mages have the same issue with Spell Penetration. There are just some feats you can't ignore.

@@Mhill08 problem is you have to build around shatter defense with your party.

​@Mhill08 you can delay the spell penetration progression a little bit with Elves iirc but yeah.. even there it's an absolute must. Otherwise acts 4 and 5 will be near impossible for a spell casting class.

I disagree, Dragonheir Scion is definitely worse. Comparing it to Mutation Warrior isn't fair since that's a top tier class compared to all the other classes in the game. Tower Shield allows you to use gear that frankly no other class can use well and it adds additional mechanics that make this playstyle more viable. It's definitely not top tier but it's interesting and solid in it's own way.

@@SlanderedGaming I dont rate the Dragon Heir Scion highly, but unlike the tower shield specialist, it doenst completely gut the class. A tower shield specialist sacrifices effectively +6 to hit and damage, bonuses to saves and initiative and solo teamwork feats (this would actually be great for the shield teamwork feat, back to back and shake it off for example), for evasion and being unflankable, and the ability to benefit from a higher dex bonus to shield. You also get shield bonus to touch AC, but honestly, your touch AC will still suck. It still caps out at +7 dex bonus, which for this game is pretty low. A dex focussed character can achieve +15 dex modifier pretty easily. If you want a high dex tank, there are MUCH better options than armour and shield tanks (and honestly, no heavy armour tank can compete with an unarmoured tank), and if you are using a shield with a high dex build, you will probably want shield bash, which you cannot do with a tower shield. So high dex builds will still prefer heavy shields not tower shields, for uncapped dex bonus and dual wielding. Tower shield specialist bonuses are exclusively tied to tower shields specifically, and they just arent that good. They are mainly associated with mitigating the penalties associated with using what is otherwise a really lousy gear option, and pay a huge price for it. Why not just not bother with the lousy gear type? Maybe you want to play it for the aesthetics, but its hard to justify mechanically. None of the baseline companions lend themselves to this archetype well (seelah certainly isnt going to want to sacrifice mark of justice for this class, and who else is going to take it?). And if you want to make your own tank, unarmoured tanks are far superior.

With Blindsense any opponent you cannot see still has Total Concealment against you, you keep your usual miss chance, and your Dexterity Bonus to AC is lost against attacks from those creatures. In other words it's completely useless. 😂

@@SlanderedGaming hmm, yeah, after due research I concede that you are right on that one, my bad.

@Аеleth All good dude. :)

Arcane strike is not free power attack. Its +1/+1 that for them never scales with a swift tax.

it loses weapon mastery, the 20th capstone which is what he referred to, i think you misheard him. with that said, if you could take any sorcerer bloodline, such as undead, the class would be top tier on par with some of the best martials in the game. unfortunately you cant. its kind of a gimmicky class that tries to be a bloodrager, but falls short in a lot of ways.

@@aylictal oh, right! He did say mastery! My bad! Also, I was wrong. For whatever reason I assumed DS's Arcane Strike would scale, since, well, for whatever reason Paizo gave it to this archetype. It does scale, but in it's own way (+1/+1d4+1 is definitely much less juicy than +5/+5...) That's disappointing, not gonna lie. On the other hand, it's still not that bad. I guess, giving a full BAB class permanent +5/+5 would be a bit too OP Edit: I'm so dumb... Arcane Strike doesn't boost attack, only damage...

@@nolanstrife7350 the 20th capstone is pretty whatever. i can count on one hand the amount of classes i willingly take to 20, and most of them involve legend only mythic. the only one outside of that i can think i'd willingly take to 20 would be skald. every other archtype in the game wants a dip or two to be most optimal. with loremaster/xblooded/vivi/paladin/monk theres always something to dip on nearly every type of character you can build.

I've received that criticism before but honestly I have no idea what to do about it. 😂😂

@@SlanderedGaming still digging the guides though