But did you take copious amounts of acid though?

@@ogmagicman546 under the control and purview of the ClA mind control program no less. Charlie was MK.UItra

You might be the great person you think you are but that has nothing to do with anyone else. You're not an example, neither was Manson. The murderers weren't examples for anyone either. It's just a bunch of screwed up people just like the thousands of church goers that cheat on their husbands and wives every day. Just like the politicians that steal money. No person is better than another. The BIBLE tells you that.

AGAIN, as previous "Common-Sense" reply: Did you take copious amounts of acid though? it take MANY people10 YEARS to finally feel "normal" again after taking as much Acid, Hallucinogenics as these people did. TRY ACID! With the WRONG people u could do ANYTHING, its like a "nightmare state" you DONT even have control most the time, you just "go with the story" of whatever is playing out, but its REAL! We watched the kindest most friendly best friend in Highschool talk to the devil for 6 HOURS! it was a camp fire, lol.

SADLY L ES;IE VANHOUTEN SAID SHE WAS LOOKING FOR OMETHUJNG MORE OUT OF LIFE, HER MIDDLE CLASS LIFE WAS NIT WNUFF. I THINK HER ABORTION AND BURIAL OF DEAD BABY HAD A HORRIFIC EFFECT UPON HER THINKING.............

U sure

its not just the use of drugs its people using the drugs to control you and convince you your doing right. they same way a drunk person is more likely to try other drugs because they are more open and careless

Lubbylove89 They were brainwashed.

ophiecat so they say.i highly doubt it.

@@renatawarec Have you looked into the facts--they spell it out in this video. These people believed he was God or a son of God. Manson deliberately chose women who had "daddy issues," the way a pimp does. He fed them LSD day after day, along with meth, to make them into the violent clones he wanted. These are indeed mind-altering drugs, and there's a reason they are a felony offense. He isolated young girls and intimidated them with subtle threats of violence if that didn't work. They were in love with him, and they thought he was a Messiah who would save them. He used passages from the Bible to underscore this, and yes, God asked people to kill, even their own innocent children for him, not that I believe in the Old Testament.

The actual murders of Sharon Tate were Charles Tex Watson with help from Susan Atkins.

Susan Atkins died a few years ago,

Star Blazers they were all involved...

Star Blazers LVH knew what happened at Cielo Dr. and ASKED to go along the next night.

Leslie was not involved in Sharon tate's murder

They are sorry now .The question is if they did not get caught , would they have confessed and would they still be sorry ?

Agree with you, they r so contrite now, too bad now, tough for them doing such horrific crimes, rot in prison

Agreed. They will die in prison, where they belong

But you’re fine with Newsome releasing not one but SIX different level 3 child predators out on parole in just the last 4 months? Five of which have killed a child during the course of their crime- and the last one wasn’t from lack of trying, he was happened to survive after the guy smashed his head with a rock, strangled him and then threw him out in the middle of the dessert, buried him under a bunch of debris, shrubbery, sand and rocks- you’re fine with THAT but you’re worried about two elderly women who haven’t had any violent interactions in jail the whole almost 60 years they’ve been imprisoned and one who only participated in one of these murdered and the other perpetrators admit that she wasn’t the one who murdered anyone and only stabbed the victim after she was dead and under duress? Lol it’s ridiculous. Maybe you can make a case for Pat staying in but Leslie Van Houston should’ve BEEN OUT.. and should’ve been out since the 80s. I think 25-30 years would’ve been sufficient punishment for stabbing an already dead person and for her involvement if you’re fine with the above criminals being released. One of which already reoffended last month by the way after only being out on parole less then 3 months and in prison for over 20 years prior. But you feel safer with him in the community then these two lol crazy

Amen! Their acts were absolutely sickening and despicable

damn.sorry.read the tao of jeet kune do or any kind of bruce lee philosophy.take care

You have interesting videos

@Julia A Do you want to protect these subhumans with your statement? You disgust me!

Hope ur okay now or in a better space 🙏

Exactly there is a difference between wat is right and wrong, and all these people chose to do horrifying crimes which were so wrong & unforgivable & for them to think that they deserve to be forgiven & that they sud be allowed parole, after they decided to kill people not just once but after that as well, they did not think about wat the victims ordeals but they think they sud be given a 2nd chance, they do not deserve it, no way!!!!!

you weren't there, so you don't know their mind set when they did it!!

Ya they were Out of their FUCKING minds, Professor of Psychology that you are

dadadruma exactly, they were out of their minds

There is no wrong. Using electricity is wrong and yet you're still alive

Imperium Europa And just how do you know all of this? Please let me know.

Not sick. Just chickenshit

v. gopalakrishnan the worst part is people actually saying that they served there time and need to be free her lawyer was her husband it’s just all sick

@@rachelcrawford1977 Hopefully the remainder of the Manson murder family will join Charlie & Susan real soon - in death

@@jamesmichael7991 And in hell.

@@rachelcrawford1977 No, Rachel. Some people can defend themselves quite well. No harm in that. And then, wouldn't you want to be free after those long years? You are being rash to say you could handle that sentence, knowing that but for drugs, a good conscience, and a good sense of the people you're getting involved with, you would have never allowed yourself to have horrors happening to others because of you.

They took the lead from the US government which was murdering brown skinned people as fast as they could.

So everyone who is involved in a group is a psychopath? Cool, you’ve really solved IT!

IHIKML everyone involved in a group that kills people is.

@Julia A I agree

Dexter Haven That would prove how weak men can be. I can only imagine how nasty sex would have been with any of these sick drug induced weirdos. Surprised the whole lot of them probably had every std known! Eww

Emer_Gency Have you seen his son’s interview ? He had nothing bad to say about his memories of him .

@@kimberlymerket1610 are you talking about Michael brunner?

Renata Warec I’m not sure. I saw an interview on KZfaq. It said he was CM’s son. I didn’t catch his name .

Like he said. " I fuck good."😂

Charlie was love.

They learned from the US government

Madalena- ABSOLUTELY

@@jacobjorgenson9285 Stop blaming others for their fuckup. I would have been HONORED to put the lethal injection in their arm ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

@@jamesmichael7991 the usa culture was slavery and murder brown people, ofcauce is going to become the culture as we see all to clearly today with mass shooting every day

@@jacobjorgenson9285 You are either a native of some other country or too young to remember when the murders happened - don't blame this country. The nation didn't murder the victims - the Manson family did

he learnt those 'skills' to manipulate from his affiliation with Scientology

He chose people that were pure evil like him. Like calls to like

@@ill_be_frank Not sure he studied Scientology alot in prison before he got out in 67. One of the first things he did when he got out was to go to a Scientology temple and said he was "clear", whatever that mumble jumble means, but the church denied him.

I doubt that any of those young people would've ever murdered anybody if they hadn't run into Manson. That sociopath ruined a lot of peoples lives. I highly recommend Tim Gunn's books on Manson and Jim Jones cult leader of the People's Temple. He lays it out how sociopaths get their followers to do what they want them to do. I was in a 6 year "relationship" with a covert narcissists and I was also manipulated very subtly and below the radar. Narcissists and sociopaths are master manipulators.

He pick dumb, deliquent, and easy too

We all have seeds of evil inside us. However we also all have a choice as to how much to let them grow and blossom.

It is very possible he brought it out of them!

Interesting. Did she speak of any details, like back talk, violence?

Ya they have a weird reptile vibe

Yup probably historionic or boarderline personality disorder. They are the worst but the most vulnerable to someone like Charlie

What were they like?

@ Finding by W.D.F. Interesting!

She was the witch killer she killed child molestation people and gay people

Riiiiiight.

She is your Great Aunt then.

Leslie Van Houten was definitely the sexiest out of the 3 main Manson girls especially in early 1977 she was even more desirable

That’s so sad that they chose not to bring her in because she probably would’ve been a perfectly normal person had she not met Manson

Probably I thought the same thing

Roman Polanski raped a 15 year old and fled to France. He was never tried.

They were released. You should be happy that baby didn't see how fucked up this world is.

I'M THE MAN you got issues I’ll pray for you!

@@awesomeone2979 Your trolling is getting boring. YAWN. 😴

Cassie I always thought some of those women were like Patricia. Manson knew this and that's part of why he chose them. They already had something twisted or wrong about them going in. You have to have a little of the capacity of evil to do those kinds of murderous or criminal acts in the 1st place. Alot of the other family members went on to live criminal lives after Manson was jailed and the family broke up. And one of the Manson girls respected what Patricia did and said if Manson chose her, she would have killed as well

lol the women but Linda kadabian were not right

She was just denied parole again.

Interesting, do you have any kind of mention of her in your home town.

@@annsumner8570 Yes, they have walking tours of the Krenwinkel house and publicity stills all over the welcome center.

Sign those petitions I certainly do.

Me too. Every time. I cannot bring those victims back, and I cannot stop the pain in the parent's, siblings, children, husband, hearts. I cannot go back 53 summers and make all their lifes whole again. God knows I wished I could. I only can be a small piece in that wall, which holds them back in their prison cells. They have it WAY too good there. But at least they shall never be free again.

I often wonder how well boot camp would work on middle-aged people, if they could survive the PT. Probably not very well.

True! Wanna grab a drink?

Java it's true what Bernard shaw said! It's a shame that youth is wasted on the young! Once u gain wisdom ur body goes!

True

As I've said above, I don't think the hippie scene was at all responsible for Manson, but it was responsible for the naivete and vulnerability that allowed him to thrive in it. The flip side of "Peace and love" and "Don't trust anyone over 30" was the idea that young, hip people making the right noises couldn't be bad. Between Manson and Altamont and a few other things that naivete bit the hippies in the ass pretty hard around 1969.

I think she finally gave up trying to get parole. They kept making her repeat what she did.

I was a biker 🇬🇧, and the hippies had the prittier chicks and they could spell corecklie 🙁,?,

@@brucetucker4847 the hippies were far out of it 🥴, l was a biker, they were screwing and smoking 🤫and ban the bum 😂, while we got our dicks burnt trying to shag a hot exhaust pipe 🔥😝!, and they could spell corecklie 🙁?

The hippies were all about "peace and love", til they didn't get their way...

Chicks hate nice guys. They’re boring.they want a murderer who they can make into a nice guy and then throw him away.

Mike Castellon what? get a grip

@@mikecastellon4545 Lol. You should not try always to take your wh*re home. Try it with normal women. I do not know women or girls which are in such a need that they would take such a dirty pos. No way!

kinda looks like that's whats going to happen. krenwinkel just got denied her 14th parole hearing. 14 is the charm i guess. she just doesnt get it. you would think after trying a couple times she would throw in the towel. even if they get a chance at parole all the governors of california past and present has blocked it. bruce davis his was just blocked by the now governor. manson himself will come up again when he's 94. he likely won't see 94. few of us in this world make it to that age.

mike dakota right you are,hes dead now.thank God

Watching them grow old in prison is very satisfying!

yes they do, but the degree to which they've re-humanized themselves is quite remarkable.

@@dzanierGood point.

Especially the dead one's.

Which indocrination did you mean. I think all the girls were teens from broken or disintergrating family back grounds. So likly to them at the time there was no where to run to. Even the haight Ashbury scene was breaking up or in turmoil. So they couldn't run there. I can not see any reason why they would run away up till the time Manson shot Bernard Crowe in the chest on 1969 July 1st. even then how many of those girls were told those events. So likly events were sex, orgies and LSD right up to 1969 July 31st when the music teacher named Gary Hinman was stabbed to death. Even then they were not all involed and why should they have run away then? With hind sight yes that would have been a good time to clear out. But they did not have that post trail hind sight and most likly had no knowledge of the murders being done by some. There were likly over fifty prople staying on the ranch at the time. So likely very easy to have not been aware of some of the heiniouse events up till August and the subsequent arrests.

@Julia A killers lie,you cant believe what a killer lies about.

@@renatawarec Exactly She is a killer!!! If it wasn't Manson it would have been someone else....

Thank you!

Nor did you come into contact with Charlie Manson. And thank goodness for that.

I know right! I was kicked out of home at 15. Worked full time and got a room as a border. Life goes on.

because0011 It can be argued that we all have it in us. This world isn’t black and white and we have all been manipulated at a vulnerable time in our lives. We were just lucky and we didn’t meet him, was on hard core mood altering drugs, when the world was in such a state of flux. I just don’t think we can pass judgement on it. Do they deserve life in prison??? I don’t think so, but with that being said, I’ve not known someone brutally murdered, so I think we should all hesitate in such declarations and thank god that we don’t have to make that choice.

Molly Poorboy lvh begged to go on the kill.nobody was forced

They would have long ago been pushing daisies in the prison grave yard, if the death penalty had not been abolished shortly after they were locked up. They were all murderous devils.

We are all capable of such wickedness. That's just the way humans as a species are.

@@mary-annebrink8578 ~ Exactly... I never understood why they couldn't give them the death penalty again, once it was reinstated in the late 70's. Any insight on that?

Manson family killed child molestation people and gay people in Los Angeles they are American hero s

Please sign the petitions each time. Thank you!

Well, one just got out

@@scipio8866This was so disappointing to me as I’m sure for many others. I never thought any of them would ever get out!

Jaime Morrison right. Exactly correct.

Yes it is. They did it as a favor. Do you see how fucked up this world is. Anybody would be grateful if they were murdered. If you love someone you wouldn't want them to suffer in this horrible world.

@@awesomeone2979 You've said in every reply. So if that's how you feel about it then why haven't you removed yourself from this "horrible" world? Don't need to wait around for someone to murder you.

@@carolgladfelder272 I've would have let Susan Atkins murder me but she ain't around is she? I would have let her drink my blood too.

Squeaky is downright scary, looking back now. She's like the Heydrich to Manson's Hitler.

Leave them alone or else.

I don't feel sorry for any of them.,

I actually think lvh is right up there.if your roommates killed people &told you how they did it,most normal people would get the hell out,go to the police,tell someone ,instead lvh begged to go on the next kill.and she said she wasn't even attracted to manson.thats why she needs to die in prison

Linda was being threatened all the time. Thank God she talked

crazy people go to a mental institute

Yes indeed they still talk about him like he was their savior 😲

Love is a madness, so what if they are crazy. We all are.

I'll bet they are 'saner' certainly than many, many of the commenters going off here, sputtering their rage & obscenities onto their own projections.

@@jamesb.9155 Too bad the Grannies are behind bars! Now you cannot build up your own pensioner' s gang with them, ridin' the freeway with your wheelchairs, and kicking stranger's legs with your crochet on a Saturday noon!

Hebneh what an accurate description of the social climate of the 50s and 60s. Very astute for a young person who didn't live during that time like I did.

@@theresaakins2317 I am not a "young person". I was, in fact, alive during the 1950s and '60s, as you were.

That is not what she said. The killings came later. You would be a great candidate for Charlie since you have terrible comprehension skills.

@@mpacino1224 fuck you

@@mpacino1224 that's pretty much what she said.you must not know a whole lot about this to make such a silly comment

Leave her alone. Free my sexy Leslie 😘

Yes, now you understand to core of feminism.

lololol

Pixie Parlin I bet everyone was afraid in LA

In 67 when he was let out b4 the murders it was in SF ❤️ Haight Ashbury area. I would go there every Sunday for roller derby. My mom ALWAZ told me to watch out for 'weird' people. Esp guys. I was 13 so I thought I knew all. Now I know why my mom was scared

Manson family members killed child molestation people and gay people in Los Angeles they are American hero s

hahaha

She does have some big front teeth.

Indeed. A horse head. Very well said. My mother once knew a guy, so charming, he said in such a case:' If you want to do her something nice, she'll cut your thing off, right away...'

Wil-burrrrr!

Yah they are master manipulators

I knew a writer who did that.

I'd rather see them for away in prison. They are evil and should never be released. All the families who have had to suffer for the rest of their live.

If she knew Jesus Christ she would have died around 2000 years ago, so she wouldn't be a free woman today 👍

Yup 👍!

Christ isn't a get out of jail free card you still have to pay your price on this earth for your wrongs.

Right. We were ALL broken kids from WW2/Depression era parents. NO EXCUSES for being murderers!

How could they have so readily slept with this uneducated hillbilly trash...with no talent.....he must have stunk...

Hello Anita, I'm sure that you are probably A-OK, but I would like to suggest a book to you called "Bad Childhood Good Life" by Laura Schlesinger. Helped me like no other, short book, paid about 5 bucks on thriftbooks.com. 💚

linda lee I agree, they all surely stunk! They lived lower than pigs.

@@lindalee5871 Amen! I was just going into high school when the trial started in 1970, and I thought the same thing. Even though I was younger (Generation X), I actually felt older than these girls, with their silly, retarded antics at the trial. In fact, most of my peers thought that whole Haight-Ashbury, freelove bus scene attracted every lunatic under 25 in the United States. The unwashed, scruffy little psychopath with the bad teeth and 3rd-grade education could never, in any universe, be mistaken for the "Messiah". If he had come trawling for young "flowers" with his cliché guitar and cheesy poetry at my high school, he would have been laughed and mocked right out the school gates. Even as children, we were far more precocious than Krenwinkel's wide-eyed, puerile generation.

Good observations. I wasn't there (still a kid at the time and not American), and though I too dabbled in the hippy philosophies and basically rejected my family upbringing for a number of years, I'll readily admit that I cannot grasp the actual realities and influences faced by young American adults in the late 1960s. So I will never criticise any of it. Unfortunately, opportunists like Manson fed on the lack of family unity, integrity, etc. that you described. Nevertheless, lines were crossed that revealed a lack of humanity in the individuals involved, and no show of remorse can hope to justify any of them ever enjoying a day of freedom in the sunshine again.

@Julia A Kent State was part of the whole series of rebellion, if you couldn't figure it out. I made that clear. It started as a peaceful protest and got out of hand.

@Julia A I don't know why you feel you have to lecture me. I was opposed to the war also and basically agree with you. My only point of opposition is that it was not Nixon who escalated the war, it was LBJ. And he did so to a monstrous degree. So much so that the anti-war spirit grew tremendously and he chose not to run for reelection. It was Nixon who campaigned for an end. In 1969 he began withdrawing troops and it did indeed come to an end during his administration.

@Julia A Perhaps, but the buildup was nothing near that which was done in Nam by LBJ.

@@JacoWium very well said Jaco! Your observations are spot on. Very intelligent and interesting post.

LRA you really are correct. It happens over time and one belief is then layered on another and then your hooked. It is a very easy, subtle and sneaky process.

I think you are correct that Manson took advantage of the young mind and perhaps this might also be somewhat true about the military. However, you would also have to consider that younger people are more easily available and more than likely to be fit enough to handle the physical demands that the military might require.

ya,,thats true,,i just cant believe how long they go on believing they did nothing wrong,,squeeky and a few other followers still believe in manson to this day..they are all dangerous,,even today..,,i wonder if they wonder why there was no revolution?plus these ladies and guy who are all in jail,,,are going to die there,,no one will get paroled,,but they believe,,,unreal,,they are sure a crazy bunch,,,,eh,,,thanks

Manson said that the sixties were like kids to him because he was so ahead of his time... Manson seems like a nut but i believe thats all an act he is very intelligent

intellectually his act makes him seen crazy, weird, strange, and dumb. it don't help him any

Jack Lavallee *knew, not “new”!!!

Sadly, there are still vulnerable young people like that.

In reality, they were delinquents before joining Manson and had prior spells in prison for various misdemeanours. Manson took advantage of the weaknesses in their characters, yes, but nothing in their respective personal records suggests that they could/would have lived a productive life in more regular circumstances. Krenwinkel was described as a rebellious drunk, drug-addled miscreant by those who knew her in her teenage years in her hometown. To do deeds of such a horribly evil nature cannot be ascribed only to manipulation by a sick & twisted fucko. Manson could have picked others in his cult that were even closer to him but he knew which were the heartless individuals who'd follow his commands to murder without hesitation. Certain people have an innate capacity for cruelty to other living beings and here we have a few of them, brought together by circumstance and a very sick manipulative person. But we have to remember, right from the beginning these were not "good people turned bad" by circumstances beyond their control. They were (are?) simply bad persons at heart - people who chanted, laughed and sang vile songs to the media after their arrests. No, they deserve no sympathy for spending their lives in jail.

It harkens back the Nazis. A few truly evil people managed to manipulate, and coerce a nation into doing unspeakable acts of terror. Afterwards they stated, "it wasn't me, it was them, THEY made me do it" lie. For some people then, they could NEVER be swayed. Same as now.

All because they did evil deeds. They need to be held accountable for their acts.

@@charlotte87x Likewise

For some of us, it DID define the rest of our lives.

But you didn't viciously murder innocent people.

@@carolgladfelder272 Right, just the thought of it is so creepy.

I went to a few Krishna Consciousness dinners. What can I say, it was my introduction to Indian food, it wasn't as common in the South back then. They also introduced me to Hindu literature, although I've been told since that other Hindus have issues with their translations. I wasn't vulnerable or homeless, just a college student. I got intrigued by them because I was in ROTC and they would occasionally try to convert those of us who were willing to talk to them (in those we were pretty obvious even when we weren't in uniform from our haircuts and military bearing) to pacifism (and vegetarianism), and they did have some interesting philosophical arguments. They seemed mostly harmless, but still a little creepy. I'd be extremely surprised if any of them ever murdered anyone, though.

M’y Mum always told me not to talk to strangers

So did Sharon and Abigail no doubt.

@@rhondabitler2461 Sharon had the sweetest voice. Did you ever hear her speak Italian or French? It was like listening to a stream in the middle of a forest--soothing and tranquil.

@@katemaloney4296 I don't recall hearing her speak French ad Italian but I have heard her voice before.

Charly allways blamed the System for becoming, who he then was. That excuses nothing, but i believe, thats one of the few things he said, that wasnt total brain crap.

You are wrong.

Exactly he mustve stunk!!! yuk pass the sick bucket....!!!!

@@lindalee5871 they all stunk and were hairy. They were hippies.

So gross...the whole family was stinky and dirty.

Repulsive

@Jack Crouch lmao for some people it's very true

Vile man

Or wears a swastika on their head

I agree with you on all your points but they took 100s of trips and that really will scramble a persons mind. I'm not the personality type to take lsd, even though I did a few times, but it messed me up.

charles was a product of Mk*UItra.

The law changed the death penalty from death to live for the Manson family members because they killed child molestation people and gay people in Los Angeles they are American hero s

There is no god. He spent nearly 50 years in prison so he got his

subsamadhi U speak words of a total fool. Like u can see beyond this world. U are obviously an arrogant 'thinks he knows all ' atheist or agnostic. U speak that which u have no proof of not. I guess u grew up either believing the words of know it all foolish dumbasses or u just simply believe that all inhabitants and all of the earth formed all by itself. I can even hear ur response... 'I don't Know nor do I give a fuck u delusional fuck. U choose not to believe so to be relieved of conscious. Either way . I choose to believe. I don't listen to words of foolish people like u. God help your lost soul.

@@denisbionichardy8033 can you see beyond this world?

johnnyplatis Oh I know what your insinuating. And no none of us can. We are to live by faith. Not by sight. U choose to not believe and that's your choice. I simply choose to believe. Something or some higher force created this earth that all humans inhabit. It wasn't man made. I don't know if there is a living God. But if there is a God. I want him to know I love him. And thank him for his son Jesus. Call me delusional. But u have no way of proving that he doesn't exist. So u can't talk either.

Denis Bionic Hardy he’s just being logical there’s no space daddy waiting for you ... r u 5? Grow up

Can we lock up Bush JR also? When it comes to getting people murdered

@@jacobjorgenson9285 How about Hillary for what happened with Bengazi? Or Obama's fast & furious debacle that ended with innocent people being killed?

@@carolgladfelder272 500k Iraqi's and 6000 us soldiers are now dead. Recently released parts regarding Afghanistan shows there was no plan and no progress. Just 5 trillion dollars wasted on mass murder

@@carolgladfelder272 I cannot understand the way you think. Because these are murderer too, yu want to release more murderer? Isn't it bad enough these murderer are still free? And did the thread opener declare anywhere she loves these two m.orons?

Kevin Brogan It’s a very interesting book.

Kevin Brogan I couldn't put "Helter" Skelter" down. It was that good.

After reading "Helter Skelter" way back many years ago I bought me a S&W .38 Special.

@Majowh , as soon as he was let out of prison, women were being found strangled along I-5 in California with a thong type rope that was the same as the ones found in a box in his desert buggy. That fucker was psyco.

@Majowh do u actually believe he was innocent?

Maybe she has reformed. Maybe she has truly repented. If so, she will receive mercy in the next life. Not in this one, though.

It never will.

Jude Bigelow truth is there are two California’s the crazy side around la and San Francisco but there is a huge conservative side that is against all this crap but the city’s control so much and the conservatives are always trying to bring balance

rachel Crawford thank you

They are not suggesting that the 'daddy issues' alone are what led to them committing murder. It's more like trying to 'connect the dots', to find out what led them down that path.

They would've made better partner/sexual choices. And not sought validation in an isolated group

@@LadyVader33 I had a mean, horrid father. I did go on to make bad choices when choosing men but I didn't go around slaughtering innocent people.

Carol Gladfelder but horrific men can slaughter the soul. Some people are too weak to rebuild it (like Manson's flock) and some are strong enough to fight for it

I got a similar same vibe from the East Village. Mostly junkies and dead enders, then by the 90s St. Mark's was just a tourist trap for middle-class subculture kids looking to go slumming. It wasn't all corrupt, though, and a lot of the people who created both scenes weren't in it to exploit anyone, they were trying to create something real. I think Marty Balin and Jerry Garcia mostly wanted to create beautiful music, and a scene where it could flourish and be appreciated, and they did, for a while. Sure they made money, but musicians have to eat. Same with the later NY scene - Warhol was a genuine artist, and Hilly Kristal never got rich, he just wanted to have a club where interesting musicians could have a venue. It's not their fault that the suits eventually figured out how to package and monetize the scenes they created. Also, I think the Doors were mostly from middle-class families. Morrison's father was a Rear Admiral in the US Navy, which is a comfortable living but hardly what I'd call wealthy - these days it's very low six figures, less than what most of my law school classmates are making. Krieger's father was an engineer, Densmore went to public high school, Manzarek enlisted in the Army, again, all comfortably middle class, but none of those sound like wealthy backgrounds.

And that's a truth many people don't want to hear. What's kept these women in prison to date is the notoriety of the crimes themselves. If the Tate/Labianca murders occurred today, they'd be in the national news cycle for a day or two, then gone.

Plus it didnt come out of nowhere. look up Mk*uItra. the ClA ordered most records deleted when watergate chaos was going on, but he was a documented subject of it.

People, teaching him mind control

Truly

Nobody does. She’s merely using what she’d been taught over the years and seems to have found it in Manson. Look at it this way. How is it that so many people give money to televangelists and believe they are spokespeople for Christ? Or were willing to follow Jim Jones or David Koresh? Or followed Hitler?

@@christystewart4567 Your comment is silly, yet so sad.

@Jim Grosser You're Generation X (1956-1964), and every demographer since Dr. Norman Ryder first coined the phrase in 1960 treats us as a separate and distinct birth cohort from the Boomer generation. We were around to watch the hippies, but we were not impressed and had absolutely no desire to imitate their childlike mentality.

@@chukkachick1879 Generation X began with people born in 1964, it didn't end there.