This is old but I just stumbled across this. After being in the “gay lifestyle” over 20 years, I’ve chosen the path of celibacy now, and I don’t know if I can be of any service to you with getting this message out, but I’m willing to help if I can. God bless you men, we need more of this discussion!

May the blood of Jesus cover Fr Mike

I am Listening to this in January of 2024... wow.. this is more relevant now than ever. I will be forever grateful to Fr Mike for being so articulate and honest about what is a marriage. Everyone contemplating marriage should be required to hear this

God bless this man. I pray he has the courage and strength to spread the truth. Fr. Mike is such a great person, and Satan loves to attack men like this. Give him Your protection. Amen. God bless you all!

Wise words Fr. Mike, "We've felt our way through this issue, but we haven't thought our way through it."

We must pray really really hard for Fr Mike. Gifted as he is, he sure is a target of choice for Satan. Gifted as he is, a constant temptation for pride must tail him to watch him fall, literally every moment of his life. Let all the Saints and Angels pray for Fr Mike, keep him firm and humble in Jesus Sacred Heart for the sake of His Holly Church. ⚔️🔥🙏❤️🙏🔥⚔️

I realize this is 6 years old, but more relevant today than ever. This is the most important conversation! I would highly recommend this to young (heterosexual) couples who are thinking about marriage, as Fr. Mike does a great job describing what marriage is. I don't know any one who is saying these things right now.

The wisdom of God is far more valuable than a Phd.

God bless and keep you and your family, Fr. Mike. Thank you for standing up to the truth of Catholic teaching with regards to same-sex attraction with compassion and love. God bless, sanctify, strengthen and protect your priestly ministry and the whole Catholic Church. 🙏

Fr Mike You are truly a man of God.God Bless you

Fr Mike I think you did a pretty good job explaining with quotations from the Bible and also talking heart to heart understanding the complex issue. It was not an easy debate but the Holy Spirit guided you very well.God bless you Fr Mike!

God , please continue to bless & protect Fr. Mike!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏 Huge blessing to the Catholic Church.

Please give something of substance instead of throwing your hate on these people who are trying their best to be loving while explaining the Catholic faith. If you aren't here to be open-minded it would be best to not comment at all. I pray you all find peace.

Thanks God for your servant Fr Mike .May you be glorified through him , also I prayer for those suffering in anyway (not understanding)about the union of marriage )I prayer that you may have insight and understanding.fr Mike explains it beautifully bless all who read this ❤️🥰

Father Mike !!!! That's our Catholic priest on his way to sainthood !

'"I am giving new a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples."

Growing in catholic faith and wisdom guided by Fr Mike and other Catholic priest out there 🙏continued prayers to you all 💕

I absolutely love father Mike! he is on my list of the top five most intelligent people I have ever herd speak. Having clarified that, this debate format left me wanting. The counter arguments are lame. I have herd Father Mike speak to this topic and has done a better job on his own. Because of the weakness of the "counter arguments" I shot at least three holes through them. I would love to see a legitimate debate with Father Mike with stronger arguments and a real opposition. I have to say in closing, I love father Mike, you are amazing thank you for speaking to this subject that hurts many Catholics.

I like Patrick. He is a humble guy.

What a interesting conversation!!! It really helped me to understand about homosexuals in a Catholic point of view. ♥️

I want Fr Schmitz to be the next pope 😊

I am motivated to continue with my training in Biblical scholarship mow! Thank you so much for this forum!

God bless you faithful servant of God, thank you Patrick Madrid! Lord please help all priest remain in the truth.

Such an important, current topic truly deserves to be re-uploaded with higher volume so we could all hear. Please oh pleeease!!!!

This is such a fantastic conversation- thank you

Best discussion of this issue I've ever heard!

Is it possible to turn the volume up? This is way too quiet.

This debate is such a great way to pull the true hearts of same hearts in understanding the points of view on lost but not stolen or lost hearts. What a wonderful view to those who think Cathloic’s are so close minded to empathy. True display of representing the truth on both sides while representing the same side. Please do more of these debates.

Thank you so much for this interacción of exercising back and forth on this huge matter. Thank you Patrick and Father Mike, because that’s what our gays brother and sister are trying to impose and defended. When is NOT defendable.

Father Mike is brilliant and a true man of God!!

Gentlemen, another reason to be Catholic...because what you're saying is reasonable and just. It is clear and understandable without standing on the street corner screaming at each other. This is a cornerstone of the true church...it is of Christ. Thank you for your thoughtful, prayerful and gentle arguments. Praise Jesus

I have never heard that point about biologial unity demanding a complimentary body and I have been searching this topic for a while. Such a good point.

Funny how most haters don't know Father Mike. That his younger brother is gay, whom he loves yet some people here call him a bigot. He shares what Jesus said and you hate him. Well, Jesus said the world hated him first...we will be hated too.

I appreciated this SO much! It gives you great tools to better understand what truly marriage is. An Argentinian author called Nicolas Marquez comes to mind, he did this analogy: “You are not discriminating same sex attracted couples because you say they should not have access to marriage, otherwise it would be like saying we discriminate a blind person if the state does not grant her a driver’s license. They just do not have what they need in order to have access to marriage”.

If you don't care about something or someone, you don't talk about it or them at all - So a 2 hour talk about some thing, or some one, shows that WE DO CARE. We care about their souls and especially about the children they are indoctrinating or grooming.

Some Father Mike Gems: "If we don't understand the sin, we will never understand the One Who bears our sins." (Wow. Thank you for putting into words what has been slowly and painfully developing in my understanding. To think that it took me a number of years, when all I had to do what listen to this sentence for it to make sense.) "If you can just do what you want, and it doesn't affect me, awesome. The moment it starts affecting me, now I have to stop feeling and start thinking." (Not at all dumb - it makes clear how relativism is an expectation that others will bear the brunt of effort or negative consequences for the acts of still others; it's the natural development of the self-centeredness of the Me Generation).

THAT, my friends, is how you defend marriage.

Is it really a debate if three people in agreement pick out arguments they disagree with and then pick them apart?

Thank you Father Mike!

Every last verse, statement, order, proscription, directive, commandment, or mention of marriage in the Bible (OT and NT) was always and every where male and female, without exception. Every mention of male-male or female-female sex was condemned, without exception. Must be a reason for that.

Thank you Fr. Mike Schmitz. Brilliant explanation on marriage. God Bless You. Holy Spirit Thank you for giving him the Wisdom.

Great Job Father 🕊🙏🕊🙏🕊🙏💛💛💛💛

Please pray for Father Mike . The Enemy is trying to cause Father to fall , every minute of every day. The Devil HATES those who are used so mightily for God's purposes . PLEASE pray for him .

Thank You Lord For Father Mike!

WHEN I SAY IS NOT IMPORTANT IS ALL THIS WILL PASS, SO BEHAVE . DO WHAT GOD WANTS, MAKE HIM HAPPY DONT OFFEND HIM OBEY HIS LAW

Fr. Mike Schmitz made the case to keep Marriage between one man and one woman.

Please re- broadcast this with the volume amplified.

Yes Father Mike defend the faith

"We love each other because he loved us first...1 John 4: 19.0

I wish the whole world of every walk of life would watch this. All sides would be benefited..❤️❤️

So glad I have found this channel- reconnecting during Covid 19 pandemic and these learning opportunities have been wonderful-thanks for your message.

Mr. Madrid, it is very difficult to look on both sides. This takes skill well done.

PLEASE increase the volume!!!!

The ultimate crossover that we never knew we needed.

OMG! Your explanations with so much love have blown my mind. My stepdaughter is gay and “married “ and has a child. I had to take a 180 when I found out she is gay and redefine my idea of marriage because of her love for her partner. I will not deny their love but I will no longer call it marriage…

Thank you Father Mike !! That was wonderful for me to listen to ! Iam 83 years old and listing to you was wonderful 😮 God bless you always !! From Dayton Ohio

Yes God love every person,but God give to us rules,and we have to obey His rules,it is not anger just follow God’s rules and not make our own 🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻✝️

This has been a thoughtful, profound, and at times a light-hearted conversation. You've done a great job of making many valid and important points. Thank you.

Patrick Madrid is my uncle btw. My mom is his brother and his son Steven was at my house over summer

In the end it doesn't matter what anyone thinks, it is ONLY what God's Commandments state we must obey in order to get to Heaven.

PSA...The volume does get better after the intro. Also try ear buds. Peace.

This was so well done. 10/10

Every sin starts with a "God never said I can't....."

You're not "the bad guy" if you stand for truth. We should never fudge on truth for a desire.

Why are we talking about people and not offending people. What about God? Is He not offended when we misuse/abuse the bodies that He gave us as instruments to save our souls....but we use it to our damnation instead.

❤I love the position of loving the sinner but not the sin. It's such a volatile discussion. To not disrespect our brothers and sisters who are gay. We still love you with Jesus way of loving.

Let's be clear on terminology. There is no same sex or gay "marriage". Call it "coupling". Call it whatever type of relationship you want, but it is NOT marriage. Marriage, by DEFINITION, is between ONE MAN, and ONE WOMAN, FOR LIFE, ordered to the procreation and education of offspring (which is not possible in a same sex relationship), and the good of the spouses. That is the Church's definition. There is no other. Why do you let the secular media and the zeitgeist define your terms? The Church has defined marriage. The Church and those who claim to teach in its name, therefore, dictate the terms, not the mainstream liberal media.

I really respect the way this was presented. I follow both Mr. Madrid and Fr. Mike. They have qualities that my Lord Jesus has.

"The pro homosexual cause" doesn't exist because it's a scientific FACT that we exist and that being gay is a variation no different to having blue eyes or size 9 feet. It's a slightly pedantic point to make, but words have meaning and it's important to be clear so that a healthy conversation can be had.

Next Debate in 2025, why murder is wrong, 2030 why worshipping the beast is wrong. Are we losing common sense as Catholics???

Beautiful - unfortunately microphones must have been too low. Worth it to process the video at a higher volume even if it distorts it a bit. Too important not to. My son volunteers to do that! :0)

im actually surprised that the Bible has so many mentions of homosexuality. This is common sense. Things that are common knowledge are not reiterated countless times. There was no gay marriage in Israel. The only gay relationships were in the pagan world around them. If Jesus considered gay marriage to be natural and good, he would have addressed it. Not only that, there was no gay marriage in the early Church. Which would mean that the Church erred as a whole, which is impossible. The writers of the Bible knew about homosexuality darn well, their freaking emperor had a gay husband. You can't really plead ignorance. They didn't find the need to bore their readers to tears about an issue that only pagans had. Do you see your pastor preaching about rape and bestiality every Sunday.

I've learned this listening to a Bold Man Summit training interview: As children, we don't see ourselves as separated from our mothers so she teaches us to relate to ourselves. If a mother takes care of herself, her children are more likely to engage in self care behaviors. The father is our first love, he teaches us to relate to others and the world. If a father often bullies others or is abusive, his children are more likely to be bullies and be abusive. Both of genders teaches very different lessons and both of them have the potential of raising well rounded individuals. If one gender is missing or fails to live up to their role as mother or father, it can and will and already has caused unbelievable trauma to children. It's why I believe that we live in a deeply traumatized culture here in America.

Very inspiring debate but there are a lot to cover in the deepest way. This is for a start and keep on doing this. It's moral teaching Thank Fr Mike and Patrick.

It'd be nice to listen to this... but whoever recorded or uploaded it screwed up the volume. I can't make out anything.

I like Fr.Mike he speaks clearly from his heart

BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO Fr. Mike. You are a light of illumination against this damaging thinking of the lgbt community. And there is absolutely NO WAY same sex couples should be raising children for oh so many reasons.

I will be more cautious with Patrick Madrid:s line of thinking from hereon. He seems to truly believe his line of questioning.

The word "marry" comes from a Latin word which means "to impregnate", so the church has dropped the ball completely by parroting the tired old "marriage is between a man and a woman". If the church doesn't return to its roots and point out that what they are sanctioning is pregnancies, they're going to find themselves marrying gay couples, or being forced to go underground...again. The church has a responsibility to return to its teachings on contraception. Those who are too old to reproduce, aren't necessarily too old to reproduce. This is part of the Church's heritage; miracles happen, but they always happen within the natural order. They are never violations of the natural order. We can change laws to accommodate others, but we aren't likely to find nature changing her laws to allow men to be impregnated. The State has some serious explaining to do now that gay marriage is legal because the State has certain incentives and privileges granted to those who have married due to the resulting children. Given that this isn't a possibility with a gay couple, the State needs to either get rid of these incentives and privileges immediately, or grant them to single people as well. It's ironic that homosexuality and bestiality are mentioned in the same verse, and the military handbook that was recently lined out ended up lining out bestiality along with homosexuality. Bestiality is now acceptable behavior within the military now. I'm surprised that Fr. Mike brought up the fact that Leviticus 18 explicitly mentions the fact that the inhabitants of the Promised Land are being expelled because of these abominations. The reason being that these laws are only pertinent to those living in the Promised Land. They are only pertinent to God's holy people. They aren't relevant to those who aren't called to a life of holiness. These are explicitly part of the holiness code within the Mosaic law. The unpleasant ramification is that the Church isn't called to holiness. I lived in and around the immediate San Francisco bay area for over twenty years. I worked for homosexuals, and rented rooms to homosexuals and bisexuals. The torment I saw in these men's lives as well as the havoc and destruction that their lifestyle produced in their extended families, not to mention the destruction and misery within their own lives; was ghastly and tragic. I watched my employer and his partner wither away as the effects of their lifestyle slowly consumed them. One had AIDS, while the other developed a tumor in his brain which drove him completely insane. One of my tenants did enough damage to his sphincter to render himself incontinent. I didn't hate any of these people, but it's difficult not to be overwhelmed by a sense of incredulous confusion at how anyone in their right mind could do something like this to themselves.

Father Mike, Thank you! You Re so Blessed. Truth+Truth =Truth!

Yes let's be all sweet and understanding won't we. Whilst sinners fill up hell. The loving thing to do is speak the truth in love. But if we all just try to get along is an hateful response for anyone in their sins and this blasphemy.

I’m confused as to why the guy who says he’s a priest says he doesn’t bring up scripture he said he just says “you are good” when Jesus himself said in Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

I'm trying to watch this but the volume is REALLY low. :( Any suggestions on how to improve it? :(

Time to undo the perverted Supreme court ruling and return to decency and the truth, not "moral relativism."

God LOVES us all. He does not Love our SIN! When you affirm someone in their sin you are not Loving them! Great job Fr. Mike Schmitz. Patrick Madrid, please stop affirming people in sin. You are not helping them, you are not loving them, you are damming them to Hell.

I wanted to see this debate but the volume is too low and I'm not going to spend 2 hours straining to hear what is being said. Please fix the audio so I can back and see this later.

You guys have to find a way to make these videos louder.

please refrain from calling it ''marriage''..call it union but NOT MARRIAGE!!!!!

Its kinda funny watching a Christian play "devils advocate" 😂😂

We LOVE YOU FATHER MIKE SCHMITZ, THE HOLY SPIRIT SURE IS DEEP WITHIN YOUR SOUL💜💜💜

Arguing to call a pig from now on a donkey or a football just because who is it hurting, is absolutely absurd

I'm confused, why are they debating the church's teachings on marriage as though against one another? Aren't they both of the same thought of the correct teaching?

The creator is the same Yesterday , Today and Forever. If he calls it an abomination it is an abomination forever. He gave his son to die for us, so that we being blind and dead in sin may live and see in Messiah the King if we believe in what he has done for us and who he says he is, the Son of the Living Eloi. Whenever a man or woman acknowledges that the Most high detests a certain act, if they love the creator and fear him who created life, surely he knows best.Let them repent and ask him for guidance, he is truly faithful to forgive and abundant in love. we may be weak but he who is calling us is STRONG AND MIGHTY. The Most high is a RIGHTEOUS JUDGE ,He loves JUDGMENT and Judgment goes right along with his laws. And also , let us not forget that the Most High created LOVE and is LOVE! Therefore we are truly not missing out on anything that this carnal world may offer. So let us hang this flesh on the tree as our KING did for us and also asked us to carry our own crosses , doesn't matter how much we may suffer in the flesh, we got to endure, the reward is far greater! Heaven is the nest of Love. Truth, Peace and Many more.....

Father Mike …brilliant explanation of what marriage is ….you have helped me to think more clearly of this dilemma…marriage is between a man and a woman …God Himself said so….

Mike Schmitz, amazing!

You guys have a 2-hour talk about us gays, and fail to invite us to speak for ourselves.

The debate was awesome except that the audio was very poor!!

Don't you mean debating the 'false notion' of same sex marriage. As same sex marriage is impossible it can not be debated?

The debate is really: is marriage a legal concept or a holy sacrament? That's it really. If it's just legal, then marriage is about rights and equality etc. But if it's a holy sacrament it could be more than that

And honestly I kind of believe that David may have had same sex attraction. So much so that King Saul hated him and his son Jonathan chose to aid David against his father's will