What’s even more sad is someone as talented as morphy hated chess and blamed it for why people wouldn’t take him serious later in his law practice after he quit 😢

Kuroki of Chess

He hated chess tho 😂

Magnus Carlsen in the future

he quit because he considered chess not a serious thing to spend his life on, just a game

And today's competition as well, competition help the top players become a top player

Yeah human iq hasnt developed so they would be at the same level as people nowadays. I guess we will never know tho...

​@@fundin3539 humans have adapted technology to supplement limited brain capacity, he could watch every game ever played or see the records of the moves for any chess website. Diet and disease would be less of an issue aswell so training would be way easier.

​@@fundin3539 doesn't human IQ increase by 3 every decade

​@@dagdbot83 I think that's mainly because of a diminishing amount chronically malnourished people in the world

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The reason why Fischer was less above his competition compared to Morphy is probably because Fischer had more strong opponents than Morphy had.

@@scottwarren4998 But this completely avoids the premise. Yes Fischer had stronger opponents; because humanity's performance is a lagging indicator of technological advancement. The tools that created these strong players didn't exist in Morphy's era.

​@jayjee135 while what you're saying is probably true you can't assume advancements caused it all. In Morphys Era he himself existed. Which means nothing was stopping Murphy from having better opponents. It is possible the Fischer just happened to exist at the same time as other better competitors with chess advancements taken into consideration. It could just be chance that morphy was so dominant.

​@@jayjee135chess popularity between the two eras could have had a huge impact on the quality of competition.

THATS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT !!

@@ciripaciripa4373 a different quote I saw online was "a well played game of chess is the sign of a gentlemen but an expertly played game of chess is the sign of a wasted life"

I feel like I saw every legendary chess figure said that lol

​@@rezarabbani3781 its from top G, cmiiw

😂

exactly… say all these SuperGMs kids were erased of their engine knowledge… and were stuck with books and a board. Although what Hikaru says is literally factual regarding strength compared to today, The question of GOAT in chess is subjective. Natural talent… legend. The best of HIS generation. Magnus and Kasparov gap between themselves and their contemporaries are nowhere near the dominant play Morphy/Fischer displayed.

He was Alpha Zero.

Who,fischer?

@@lightyagami7658 paul morphy

I hope stockfish doesn’t quit too

Easily without a doubt

Considering he had no desire to play chess professionally, and wasn't that interested in the game... Absolutely zero chance that happens. There's not a chance that he had the temprement needed to learn openings and endgames to a 2600 level. You don't reach that level without obsessing about the game. I don't know why everyone assumes that being a big fish in a small pond translates to being a big fish in an ocean.

​@@leerobbo92FYI: Fabiano Caruana stated in a recent C-squared podcast that Morphy would "easily" clear 2700+ within one year if he were transported to the modern day.

@@leerobbo92 it’s highly possible that if he played in an era where he’s got heavy competition like he would today, he’d have the desire to compete

If a person was born with the same god given talents as Morphy, he would have been where Magnus is right now.

Because hikaru isn't a genius and he trained using modern resources.

​​@@ultimate_disastrhe's probably still a genius or pretty close but no he probably doesn't have the raw mental horsepower of someone like Morphy. When someone is THAT big of outlier, they would be so in any generation of the same species.

@@ultimate_disastrAll super GM’s are geniuses, you do not need to be smart to be good at chess and being good at chess doesn’t make you smart, but if you want to be a super GM, you must be insanely smart and have excellent memorization and raw calculation skills. All of these super GM’s can recite every move of their last 100 games by heart, their memory is super human. The average person cannot recite just their last game if they tried.

I mean you see this all the time and every competitive sport because they simply dominate but don't have the competition that us plebeians deem to say they would have had to have had.

It is so fucking stupid and backwards thinking.

Well the game has developed significantly since he was around. If he had the knowledge of modern day GM’s who knows how good he’d have been. We stand on the shoulders of giants.

You mean like micheal jordan

he is considered as one of the greatest of all time alongside Bobby Fischer.

He would've known how ceiling of he built an educational environment and a community of people to evolve the chess landscape

​@@fredletel7276 I'm guessing English isn't your 1st language

My arse out here thinking this was a joke about hikaru looking at the ceiling

@@twigs4611 lol

In my opinion Morphy won't face much problems against Steinitz because his biggest rival around his time was Adolf Anderssen whom he destroyed 7-2. The head to head record of Steinitz and Anderssen is 12-11 in favour of Steinitz. You aren't posing any problems to Morphy if you can't even have a decent record against his biggest rival who got destroyed by him. Lasker vs Morphy is a more interesting matchup.

Fischer is number 1 and no one else is even close. Fischer was notorious for refusing help, he didn’t want anyone’s advice, he never studied any theory, he never had assistance from other players during any tournament. Even as a child he played most of his games alone by himself. Despite being isolated, he still achieved a 27xx elo which is insane for someone who never studied with computers or other players.

My 2 best players ever.... Capablanca and Morphy.....

​@@Glock7eventeenhe never studied any theory... source?

@@user-yc3tf4wz2x He read chess books when he was young so I doubt he never studied any theory. Probably bump into one or two while reading.

Bro, that's hikaru. Don't worry. It's like Usain Bolt saying that u can't run as fast as him

Hikaru is so good that he forgets that a strong IM could probably beat most people. I feel like he's a little detached from reality in that sense. We still love him though.

@@FernandoSegovia701 still love him tho for sure

@@FernandoSegovia701 Probably? more like 99.999999% of people lol

Hikaru probably translated his rating as is, instead of adjusting it. if he was 2400 in his time despite not having modern openings, then he could easily be a GM today.

I just realized time travel would completely revolutionize competitive fields. We someday really might get to settle the prime Jordan vs prime Lebron debate. But then no one would ever be called a GOAT again unless they beat those who came before.

@@paul_warner Yeah! We'd have to invent "GOYT" (Greatest Of Your Time) awards for the people who are the best of their field in the era they are actually from, and then the GOAT would be best in _every_ era.

_five second death stare into the camera_ "Ladies and gentlemen welcome back and buckle your seatbelts because today we're going 88mph with no brakes. That's right, we're travelling back in time and I am going to show you my game with the man, the legend, the one and only Paul Morphy. I recently had the opportunity to use the Geneva Time Machine, which unfortunately isn't a Delorean but it is of course a very high honor, and I would like to give a huge shout-out to the folks at Temporal Transport for making this possible. Now, without further ado, let's get into the video. - E5!"

​@@paul_warnerI can literally hear his voice in my head

@@Zoruk_ can you feel the death stare?

God damnit

Was he better than a certain fish however

@@Ace-dv5ce Definitely, but probably not all of its descendants.

@@benjaminoechsli1941 an astute observation from you

We can analyze his games with the best computer to give a better estimate of his rating.

Well chess have very simple rules, but the techniques are learnt by seeing them and playing them afterwards

That is most prodigies probably but this sounds more like the opening to a Jose Raul Capablanca story than a Morphy story.

Grandmasters werent around in morphys time lol

You're forgetting the fact that Fischer's time is way behind Hikaru's time. Chess players are better now than during Fischer's time.

Nah Fischer was totally wrong but Morphy would be top tier in any era. But no way could he compete with 1972 top players if he was just teleported there

Who what he says.

One move man

​@@shashwatverma3545😂

​@@shashwatverma3545haha ah man that caught me by surprise

He could have been magnus, we are talking about true, pure, unfiltered genius to differentiate yourself by hundreds of elo points to anyone in the world. Without the luxury of all the training books, theory, computers, nothing, he learned something off pure genius, hundreds of elo points into the realm of the unknown beyond what anyone else could do. Had he had the formalities of today, to add to his pure genius, he would easily stomp on most of today's GMs. We are talking 2400 before anyone else even hit 2100. More conservatively, let's say someone else managed to be 2200. That would be the equivalent of magnus being 3000 while the next best player who himself would maybe have 1 rival other than magnus, being 2800.

So it isn't some "wild theory" or estimation for you to say "I think he'd be a GM". No, he'd be a monstrous one.

Hikaru is a chess player that lacks deep thinking at least on life as a whole.

Yet you can pull out a random obscure sideline of an obscure opening, have them play from a pre-set position on move 15, and they would still find good/best moves. The memorization is to improve your top move rate from 90% to 95%, and only for specific openings you prep for.

@@georgebrantley776 nobody is saying that they are not talented. From Magnus down to every GM today has massive help from computer analysis and prep. Which means that they can play almost as good as computers. People from the other era like Paul Murphy dominated a generation of men with no computer analysis - just basic knowledge and pure talent. So Hikaru referring to his achievements as "which isn't saying much" proves that he lacks basic wisdom and disrespectful to those on whose sweat he stands today.

​@@georgebrantley776but the memorization of engine ideas can be applied to many novel positions, I see naroditsky doing this a lot in his speedrun videos where he is out of theory yet finds top moves by seeing that the position is similar to a different opening that he did study extensively.

Levy went to his corner to cry after he said that lmao.

Can't really say that because today's chess player is better than the chess players before.

@@RandomGuy-ep1uk Yes because they have access to way more resources and theory. If Hikaru was born in Morphy's time without those luxuries there is a good chance he would have lost to him.

@@WilliamAngell96 That's why I said today's chess player is better than chess players before. Our chess simply became more advanced than It was before. So saying that He would have beaten Hikaru is just dumb.

@@RandomGuy-ep1uk Fair enough if it was the Morphy of back then against Hikaru today then I agree. I just assumed they meant them both playing with equal resources.

@@WilliamAngell96 I mean yeah, If Morphy is at the same age of Hikaru in this time then yeah, he might be able to beat Hikaru, But that Is still a big "What If" because we don't really know the entire psyche of people especially when they are born decades ago.

Hikaru can undoubtedly do it. Levy, if he prepped hard for it, probably could if the time control is generous. At around IM level blindfold or not simply makes no major difference. Blindfolding is one of those "looks impressive is actually normal" type things. We must note that Morphy's 20 opponents were pretty bad, especially by today's standards.

@@georgebrantley776 Dude try memorizing 20 positions at the same time. Playing blindfolded decreases your average rating and playing strength because you have to concentrate on recreating the board. Playing simultaneously vs 20 opponents also decreases your playing strength because you have to juggle between 20 games. Unless Levy was cheating he would lose track and lose most of his games if he played blindfolded vs 20 opponents. Kasparov lost a game to a 2000 player in a simultaneous exhibition. Levy can't even get to gm fuck out of here.

I mean I don’t think Levy could do it consistently, but against untitled opposition? Levy probably could do that. Again not every single time but I think he can pull it off. Blindfolded doesn’t really matter once you’re at master level. And levy isn’t a very strong IM. There are much stronger IMs out there. But if you transported Morphy to today he’d quickly soak in enough opening theory to skyrocket up, but his very first game in the present day if you give him no studying beforehand, I think Hikaru is right that a lower level GM would beat him. But again once he learned new theory he’d quickly become a super GM

You think Hikaru can’t do blindfold? 😂😂 shit is easy for him

@@assassin7250 Fine, I wanna see Hikaru do 8 people blindfold simultaneous games. And Levy also. Lets see how many games they win. Rated players can be around 2000, as that is what Paul Morphy did with 6 wins and 2 draws.

Rhis is pure arrogance

Exactly. The actual brain needed to reach the level back then was much higher. It's like comparing running in the mud to running on a hard track. The theory and hard work has already been done by countless generations of people and then computers took it even further. Lewis and Clark vs cruising down rt 66. Both went across America, but it's not the same experience.

@@paulcox2447I’m pretty sure it’s the opposite. A 1000 50 years ago is not on the same level as a 1000 today, because everyone was a bit worse at the game, meaning that back then the competition wasn’t as tough.

@@paulcox2447no it’s the opposite everyone was worse back then so it was easier to be at the top and have a margin that big

Not even 2800

@@jeremiahtannehill8870 FIDE or online? You lack accuracy so I am still right.

@@CharetteOfficialfide

@@CharetteOfficial your not right he was 2400 he was ass Magnus back then would still atleast be 2600 ATLEAST

@@jeremiahtannehill8870 chess was not a career for real, he first of all would be 2500+ with more tournaments. its hard to believe the best player of his time which means the top player worldwide would only be capped at 2400. think about it. he was not ass

I was thinking something similar. A dude so brilliant would be able to adapt his playstyle after just a few matches.

Rocky Raccoon chess is way more competitive and developed now especially with engines to learn from

„This dude“ is on the top level of chess competition, he’s like in todays chess top 5 best players in the world and you thinking he’s just a random dude knowing nothing about chess? This dude knows work of chess better than 99,9999….% of us combined. Stop acting like you know chess works today vs old times better than this dude

hikaru is saying that he was great at his time, but that time wasn’t great. It’s not that if he lived today, he wouldn’t be a GM. Hikaru is just pointing that the knowledge at THAT time is not sufficient to be a GM today.

who clearly doesn't know what is talking about is you

You are not qualify to say that. Unless you re top GM like Hikaru

He would be what Carlsen is + 100 pointd minimum

@@Michael-cg4un Those speculations always make me laugh. We dont know and cant assume. Sure he would be better in our era, but saying he would be the best in the world when today's competition in MUCH better is certainly not a given. Also, 100 points more than Magnus is almost mathematically impossible.

Levy wouldn't be as good back in time because he would not have access to all the theory we have today

He is not even 2400 now

​@@jessez8503it's a joke

I don’t disagree Morphy is an absolute legend, but ELO is a system of relative differences and everybody having access to Stockfish doesn’t change that. The main issue for Morphy was the relative unpopularity of very competitive chess, not the absence of technology.

@@shmvon but 2400 ranking is arbitrary cause system didnt exist back then

​​@@shmvon but what is Nakamura ranking is based on relative strongness of his play in that period without engines compared to today..if he had engine help he would be much better today if not the best ever..not an IM

No he wouldn’t he be low 2800 tops

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All speculative no one knows if he had that much capability. Just cause he was that good in that time, doesn't mean he'd have the same rate of skill increase with today's tools. Magnus is like 2800+, morphy overcoming 400~ points just cause of today's tools isn't plausible

@@vic_710you don’t know what the word plausible means apparently

​@@vic_710 I think an increase of 400 with today's tool is possible at that level/talent. Not only one can have unlimited practice, but the analysis tools are practically god tier compared to even 30 years ago

@@justinslogar5770 one Google search could tell you that you're wrong.. Might wanna focus more in English classes next time

@@asgacc8789 welp idk we aren't talking about just a random 400 increase, it's a 400 increase from 2400 at which point even increasing 100 is a huge task

He can actually talk when he tries. Too bad he so often doesn't try and just repeats himself a million times over.

Aye aye aye

Top Gay lil tate ain't getting out of jail lmaooo

imagine simping for a misogynist sex trafficker lmao

No

That doesnt make any sense

i think hikaru, whos currently that good, has a slightly better position to talk from than you.

Yeah, if he was _too_ good to play, I'm pretty sure he qualifies as GOATed.

Not nonsense, it makes sense the skill level is higher when the civilization changes.

Why nonsense?

Higher or lower?

@@michaellloyd9914 i guess he just wanted to say sth

he still has competition, he still lost games, he stuggles, This guy wasn t even fullfocus anymore and he still beat everyone.

​@@AlexMatei2222 You missed the point, other GM are easy for Magnus + reaching 2900 was his GOAL too bad there's no one on his level to make him 2900 same with Paul Morphy

@Maia Geia Magnus is nowhere close to as dominant as Morphy was. Magnus still loses tournaments, he has often struggled in WC matches (2016, 2018). Morphy had a career record of 164 wins 25 losses and 17 draws overall and 42 wins 8 losses and 9 draws in serious games. This sort of dominance is almost unrivalled in chess, maybe Philidor was close but his chess wasn't as accurate as Morphy's. He defeated a top 5 player Löwenthal at the age of 12 in a 3 game match quite convincingly.

@@Stopitgetsomehelp3012 Paul Morphy's opponents at the time were weak compared to Magnus' opponents now. Lol Magnus will destroy Paul Morphy for fun.

@@maiageia1240 I mean that's obvious. I am talking about dominance not objective playing strength.

It’s like saying wilts the goat at basketball. He was so dominant in his era but in terms of the modern era, he wouldn’t do as well

Easily by rating his games and tactics

Because naturally the skill gap increases immensely by the time the game is around for a long period of time. Like someone brought up basketball and wilt for example. Yes he was dominant and put up ridiculous numbers but his completion was very lackluster so of course he would dominate them. He was ahead of the game as was the person Hikaru is talking about but the game now and the players has evolved into something that it wasn’t at their respective times. Magnus wipes the floor with him if we had a time machine. But again, that ain’t his fault. He was ahead of the competition and was the best of his era by a very large margin. Nothing we can do about the eras we’re born in.

He said best player ever he wasn’t, not during his time. He was the best player during his time is what it looks like Hikaru said.

Somone that is on the top for a year or two isnt "the best" the fact that he quit in itself cant make him the best considering there are several that were over a decade at the top

you can't. thats why he is using modern standards...it's just a guess. It's possible with all the advances in chess learning he could be best ever. but hikaru is just giving an educated guess

But he never said he would be 2.4k if he used todays studies and science to learn it. What are you talking about??? He makes an observation of his games because he propably knows alot of his best ones how is this so hard to understand? Dosnt take a genius lol

Couldnt you program an AI based on all the games he played and get an estimate of his elo today?