Amen.

Yes that's true.. God knows who really follows him not by mouth but by heart..

Amen! So glad to hear God brought you into the land!

That’s almost exactly what happened to me as well I agree with you

It’s the Pentecostal doctrine or the foundation of Pentecostalism thats the issue. Not necessarily your personal experience at your church. There’s a video by Robert Breaker “Why I’m not a Pentecostal” that you can find in KZfaq and i come from a Pentecostal church, even i had to rethink the doctrine thats if its truly biblical.

Agreed ; Bro. Switzer really knew how to administrate this gift in operation in a congregational setting.

No what you are saying is absolutely untrue I'm really sorry to correct you but you are 100 % wrong. The wrong heretical elements are also recognised as being unbiblical and false by the vast majority of evangelical and karismatic churches. Brother Paul you need to repent and stop criticising pentecostal, evangelical and karismatic churches and Christians. You have a form of faith but denying the power there of... You have God in a box. Remember Hebrews Jesus the same yesterday, today, forever God's power through his spirit has never stopped working, all through history God healed, performed miracles, people continued to proffet

@@markgalletly3726 Jesus commands us to tear these heretical practices down, sir. YOU need to repent and stop reading the Bible through your glasses of TRADITION (if you guys read your Bibles at all). I went to a Pentecostal charismatic church my whole life and had no idea how lost I was... the babbling shabadabadingdong is NOT what the apostolic church did, every time God heals it’s INSTANT and with the purpose of revealing who God is to unbelievers, not to make your back stop hurting. You guys great God like a vending machine and practice the most irreverent forms of worship. I’m done playing with y’all. I love you or I would ignore you and leave it be. Read Matthew 6 and tell me you guys pray like that. Read the OT and tell me you have faith like they did in the good AND bad times. Read Paul’s letters to the churches and tell me you aren’t guilty of letting some new tradition distort the gospel. Tell me you believe God is sovereign. You can’t. Read. Your. Bible. Without taking verses out of context and jumping around. You guys are Biblically illiterate because you don’t have the Holy Spirit and your idolatrous desires for “more of God” and personal magic powers have invited demonic influence into your congregations and into your hearts. Repent. Repent. Repent. And seek God.

@@alexanderhanksxif these sings don't follow ur not a believer. If you believe the Bible this is what it says. Mark16:16-18 God Bless

@@leslieparmer9327 do you know what it takes to be saved? Because it’s not signs. Y’all too worried about signs but not the fruit???

did you get the girl? ……. lol

I would agree but I was very surprised about the roots of the pentecostal church. Like many of the apostate movements that came along after 1906 like the Mormon church, Jehovah's witnesses, Christians Scientists, etc. many of these were started by women. The Pentecostals and charismatics are swayed by emotionalism and this appeals to women. They exalt the Holy Spirit and the work of the Holy Spirit more than exalting Jesus and the Father. The Pentecostal movement is not for Gentiles. It was for the Jews because the Jews required a sign. After Jesus moved on to the Gentiles with the Apostal Paul, tounges were no longer necessary. This is from Robert Breaker and his cloud church here on youtube.

I am not a Baptist biut where I live there are two Baptist churches a couple of hundred yards apart. A member of either would not be seen dead in the other. One is conservative the other liberal. I fear the Baptist Union of Ireland has deep problems.

@@nancypatricia511 Sorry your analysis/answer is wrong. Our God is One. Nothing wrong exalting the Holy Spirit. He is Almighty. It is flesh that must not glory before God. Without the Holy Spirit, man has no communion or fellowship with God and the Lord Jesus.

@@nancypatricia511 This is just ignorant, slander.

I appreciate your comment. I was raised Pentecostal and I loved the Lord with all of my heart. Later I became just nondenominational up until about 5 yrs ago when I realized that Christian Reform was really speaking to me. Im glad the Lord gently guidied me to it. I know my family (mother, father, sister, brother and my husband) loved and trusted in the Lord with everything they had. They have all died but I know I will see them in heaven!

Then you have gone to the wrong Pentecostal church and those church don't last it just a matter of time before it crumbles down.

Suomalainen helluntailaisuus on onneksi hyvin konservatiivista verrattuna Amerikan helluntailaisuuteen. Itse käyn Turun helluntaiseurakunnassa koska uskon että se on Turun raamatullisin seurakunta(joka ei ole paljon sanottu). Itse olen kalvinisti ja cessationisti joten en tietysti ole seurakunnan pastoreiden kanssa läheskään aina samaa mieltä ja huomaan itse 20 vuotiaana, että seurakuntamme nuoriso on täynnä ei-uskovia. Itseasiassa siellä on vain muutamia kristittyjä. Ketään ei kiinnosta Raamattu eikä teologia ovat jopa vihamielisiä tai vaan väliinpitämättömiä jos puhuu jotain sen suuntaisia asioita. Seurakunta kuitenkin laulaa Betheliä ja Hillsongia yms ja väistämättä näiden harhaopit tulee mukana ja se on äärimmäisen huolestuttavaa enkä oikein tiedä mitä tehdä. Naispuhujat/saarnaajat ovat jo seurakuntaan saapuneet viime vuosina. Sen tiedän että kun saan omia lapsia ja mahdollisuuden parempaan seurakuntaan niin en lapsiani tälle altista.

Real Christianity?

Exactly. It's very sad that we're all tarred with the same brush. You'd be put under discipline if you tried bringing the Bethel/Hillsong nonsense into our church.

Paul is anti-all of that

Charismatic and Pentescostal are satanic.

Pentecostals are guilty of the same stuff. I was a 4th-generation Pentecostal and babbled with the best of em. “‘My spirit knows I’m healed, my body just hasn’t caught up yet” “You just don’t have enough faith” “I’m believing it” ive heard it all. God’s miracles were immediate and with the purpose of pointing to His authority. He does still do miracles, but not in the same way. If the church’s job was to heal everyone they come across not only would they be 100% effective EVERY TIME, Jesus would have spent His time healing EVERYONE. He empowered the apostolic church to heal and perform SIGNS (that point to Christ’s deity) in the first century because there was no Biblical canon! They didn’t have Bibles! Now, the miracle is the ability to share the gospel as believers and let God do His work in peoples’ lives through hearing it through us AND the miraculous change that God does in our lives after being born again! Maybe God does more, He absolutely can, but these practices come from pride and covetousness of the 1st century apostolic church. It isn’t having faith in God’s sovereignty to believe He didn’t ALLOW your back to hurt. Read the book of Job! He will allow you to suffer in this life, but only to shape you and use you for His glory. There’s a reason for everything and God’s in control. Now, He does answer prayers but sometimes He says no. You can’t just get emotional and shabadabalaba magic your back into being healed. That’s a lack of faith. Absolutely unBiblical and heretical and opens you up to demonic influence.

The spirit of antichrist comes as an ANGEL OF LIGHT to decisive and lead us astray! You guys are dealing with the devil and don’t even know it. Repent and seek truth please before it’s too late.

If I got Re-saved after walking away and living in the world. Should I get re-baptized?

@@zaneallman no where in the bible does it talk about getting re baptized .i had struggled with the same question.i got baptized around 11 or 12 and as i got older i lived in sin and didnt want church but i gave my life to God at home in 2019 at 16 and im 18 now.we need to repent and follow God whole heart.

@@zaneallman that’s really up to you. I don’t thinking it’s wrong to get baptized again necessarily but it is also isn’t something I would suggest.

I hope you don't go to that kind of Pentecostal church that says You must be baptized in Jesus name only or you are not saved. If your church teaches that then you are in a legalistic church that you may want to reconsider going to. You can be saved being baptized in the name of the father Son and Holy Spirit. Because it's by grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ as to how we are saved not anyting exterior.

@@joshuahuihui5913 the Bible is clear you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ... I know that you are saved by believing, and repenting and baptism either way, but when you go in the name of Jesus, there is something that happens... I believe that even if you are baptized in the name of father, son and the Spirit you will make heaven, because you have already been born of the water

@@joshuahuihui5913 The original early church ONLY baptized in the name of Jesus. Any other form of baptism is heretical. Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, Acts 4:12, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:1-5, Col. 3:17. Matthew 28:19 even says to baptize in the name...not titles. If I were to write a check and sign it; husband, son, and friend, you could not cash it. You need the name on the signature line. Too many people are trying to cash in on salvation using titles. It won't work. Iti is not legalistic...it is Biblical. Even the Roman Catholic church admits the original early church ONLY baptized in the name of Jesus. That is found in the Encyclopedia Britannica 11th edition which is written and published by the Catholic church. You will never find anyone after Calvary being baptized any other way in the Bible.

@@josejuan6585 "baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" doesn't mean "baptizing them in the name of Jesus and only Jesus."

@@jamersbazuka8055 Baptism for salvation is legalism anyway. There are many people in the Bible who were saved not from Baptism and even some in Acts that were baptised and not saved. You can only be saved by God´s grace through faith in Christ. Baptism is an ordinance, not the reason or means you are saved.

I also go to a charismatic church in Ukraine and we also have the Bible basis in our church 💜 we live for the Bible

MrReierz Not a comment on what you experienced. I just want to say. Good thing God leads us even though we're not perfect. I'm a bit frustrated with the Church these days, but also thankful that the Church belongs to God and he will make it glorious, one day.

"and hundreds of poeple got healed of sicknessees." Do you mean they paid a bunch of little old ladies to pretend like they couldn't walk and wheeled them in the wheel chair and then they were healed and got up and started dancing? Yeah I've seen that before, that is not legit.

@@keepmycommandmentsandlive1607 The sad thing about your comment is that it is very telling of HOW much, rather I should say, how little you value the Holy Spirit. I have been sitting in a Southern Baptist church for the last 8 years, praying for Holy Spirit to show up in power, move the dying congregation into a quickening of understanding of Him and embrace Him for all He is. The pastor there is an awesome man of God and shepherds his flock to the best of HIS ability...residing there for 10 years. As a youth, he was youth pastored by Jack Taylor. If you don't know who that is, look him up. Our pastor is not a total cessationist but has followed the track of a basic Southern Baptist Convention preacher in all other forms. He admits to having asked Holy Spirit to gift him with tongues and to take control of him...years ago in his 20's. But, because it wasn't immediately evident in his perception that he received the gifting, he didn't persevere and he left the thought behind...believing it wasn't for him. Sad, VERY sad. Long story short, he has remained friends with Jack Taylor over the years and has invited Jack and his wife to minister in our church, not once but a few times. When they did minister, there were more than a few healings, including a woman in her mid 70's, being totally healed of scoliosis. Now, you would think the people of the church would want to seek getting to know the Holy Spirit more after that. But sadly, no. He was quickly put back into a box, and left to set somewhere on a indistinct pew, not to be heard from again due to lack of enthusiasm, love, and correct understanding of Him. That church is dying and the gospel message is dying due to the lack of spiritual power being allowed to operate among God's people. WHY is it considered more the work of the enemy than the work of God through the Holy Spirit when His gifts manifest? Have you ASKED yourself THAT question? Could it be that the enemy is doing what he does best? Invoking FEAR into the situation and KILLING, STEALING, and DESTROYING the church by KEEPING it WEAK? Whether you understand it or not, the Holy Spirit is GRIEVED when He is not INVITED into His church, when He is FEARED and His natural displays of GLORY are mocked as being that of the being who is OPPOSITE of Him. Does it make SENSE that when people are drawn more closely TO God through the manifestations of Holy Spirit...that it would instead be a COUNTERFEIT work of the devil? It would be wise to think on these things and seek the Holy Spirit for the answer, before making light of things you choose not to further study and understand. Pax Christi

Well said sir , I have been to Evangelical and now penticostal and have found Good,s love in both. Our penticostal Pastor, teaches the love and grace of Christ , not prosperity gospel or that everyone is saved but we must draw people in to get them to come to Jesus Christ.

@@keepmycommandmentsandlive1607 So you don't believe that God can heal? It's a rethorical question... p.s. I don't like what I see with the charismatic and penticostal movements, but I know that my God is mighty to heal and know ppl who were healed of the diseases; however, I believe that He works with the individuals and not a crowd.

Then WHAT do you consider them to be?

He's actually a Calvinist more so then anything.

And A W Tozer was an amazing man of God in no way confused!

R.T Kendall, Craige Keener, Wayne Grudem, Gordon Fee, Josh McDowell, Jack Deere and many more are there for authenticating Biblical Pentecostal Movement.

There may be a valid point here. What is a Penticostle? Who are the Penticostles? Are there groups adopting or borrowing the label of Penticostle without fitting in with the brand?

There's none good but the Father according to Christ. You must mean 'decent.'

But also, those who get caught up in signs and wonders can be sent to hell.

@@IlIamo John 17:17; Ps. 119:160. As for your traditions sir, I leave them with you and reject them all.

Worship isn’t based on feelings. I found when I walk in my sonship with Christ my feelings have affirmation of the Spirit, there’s no added side play. Tell me what you think. God bless!

I don’t know what an objectiveist is, because everyone who desires truth wants the objective truth. But have you heard of Mohler? He’s the best the best one teaching the gospel today!

People will say they feel God in services. Is it God or your own feelings though?

​@@dgh5223 Amen. It's good to check ourselves. It's good to know that every heart is deceitful, that every man is a liar, and that all imagination is vain in contrast to the infallible Word of God.

ceased for 1800 years

God decides when it ceases. Not mankind

@@rickmelhuish1602amen

Pentecost was a Hebrew Israelite feast day and not a religion, so no Paul was not a Pentecostal a religion that did not exist until the early 20th century.

@@thecomingstorm9327 I believe in what happened on the day of Pentecost. I believe the only religion we need is Christ. But as for the Bible signs that people are stating ceased, the Bible has never said that. That’s an ignorant doctrine. As a matter of fact, Jesus said “ these signs “shall” follow them that believe. It’s the unbelievers who won’t have the signs of God following.

God said His name is YHWH forever and that He wants remembered by THIS name through every generation.

The pentecostals almost cost me my soul when I was young by telling me that I did not receive the Holy Spirit because I did not speak in tongues! I was on fire for God for a few years as a young man, but felt eventually very frustrated and like God rejected me somehow! Thank God for his love that he actualy does have for me, and his patience! After most of my adult life doing it my way, I eventually fell on my face broken and ready to give up on life, when I surrendered and humbled myself and begged Jesus for faith! He immediately oulled me out of the pit, gave me his Spirit, removed my life long death wish, filled my heart with love for Him and my fellow man, gave me true faith , and I did not speak in tongues. I was still wondeing after all those years about the tongues thing, and he gave me an undniable sign that my grandmother saw as well, a miraculous sign that let me know I was in fact re-born of the Holy Spirit! I really still love some of those Pentecostal people I sang and worshiped with years ago, I believe some of them truly loved the Lord! But I think that is a horrible doctrine and i can cause people to turn from the truth! Fortunately, like Paul Washer said, God will show the Truth to those he chooses!

Todd Geffken, I can relate. I was brought up much the same way, and I think of all the youth that I grew up with in the Pentecostal church and not one of them is serving the Lord to this day. I’m forever grateful that God took the scales off my eyes, and that I can now see the truth. Even to this day, my parents look at me blankly when I present the Gospel according to the Bible (that we are wretched sinners in need of a Saviour). I pray for them that they might see.

Hi Infinity Prod., my parents wont recieve the Truth either, lets pray for each others parents! God bless you!

It is a shame, but not all Pentecostal groups believe that speaking in tongues is some necessity or penultimate sign. You are right though, such doctrines are very destructive.

Who told you that

@@kirabeatz9988 my Penacostal fishing buddy. Why does it matter who?

@@gregross5584 Cause it’s not true and sooo disturbing. It’s all about Jesus Christ!

@@kirabeatz9988 Kira , sorry if I mislead you. But I know it is not true, thus that is why my response to him was to laugh. I am completely secure in my faith in Jesus Christ.

You dont get holyspirit from water baptism..obey the lord command for holyspirit .. St paul said..read Acts 18:24, 25 Acts 19:1 to 6..

I love Paul washer. He’s amazing! I love Charles Spurgeon as well. I guess I don’t like the Calvinism. I don’t want to get into it. Pentecostals have great born-again testimonies!!! The thing is, I love their stuff, well probably most of it or some of it. But I also love Baptist stuff and some of the reformed stuff too. Paul Washer preaches the true gospel and he’s really strong! Pentecostal people are alive and their music is great and they have great testimonies. Are there any churches in the middle of all that? Like, are there any churches in the middle, like reformed Pentecostals or Pentecostals that preach the true gospel like Paul washer does? Thank you so much! I believe in the spiritual gifts. They are still active today. But I love Paul washer and Charles Spurgeon.

@@Jesusbride515 im not a pentecostal, but i do believe the gifts are active today, i personally dont speak tounges but speaking in tounges is not the only gift, there is prophesy, there is wisdom, there is faith, there is hope, there is love, there is discernment. Also no there is no denomination between everything you mentioned, you will always find a conflict between them. I also would have loved to find a church like that but i havent yet, pentecostals are great because they believe in the gift of tounges and prophecys but there are more the ones that fake it then who really have it, also they will always focus in tounges because that is the only gift that is visible, now the reformed ones like paul washer i like them because they have pure doctrine, their teachings are straight forward, they dont use music to alter your emotions, they let the word of God do its work. All i have to say my friend, that for us christians to be so divided is clearly a sign of end of times, read your bible and always ask guidenes of the Holy Spirit, without Him you wont truly understand the messege and msiterys in Gods word.

Being careful won't save anyone... so If you know you are a temple of the holy spirit the holy spirit will help you speak Gods wisdom into that person.. A very loved preacher gave a sermon of this and back it up from verses from the bible. God can save anyone he wants so If we are a temple of the holy spirit then why be cautious when you can keep it simple... Being a Christian isn't rocket science its simple, knowing that you have a omnipresent God on your side and that you will be blessed knowing God on earth and we get the greatest gift anyone could ask for... Heaven, If you want to give someone faith, then give them faith you dont need study the bible like you have an exam... keep it simple

Of cause FEDERICK POWELL, I'm very ashamed of this division in christianity because they reject Holly Spirit who he is the one who teaches us all things. The crucial thing is to recieve Holy Spirit thereafter there will be no argument in the body of christ.

So we are one body with the Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons who has a twisted view of Jesus? I am afraid I have to disagree with that claim however I do believe in the premise that only Jesus saves, and all those who believe in Christ is ONE in body and spirit. But you must know that believing in an unbiblical Jesus basically implies that you have put your faith in that version of Jesus and the catch here is that only the Biblical Jesus is the TRUE LORD AND SAVIOR. Any deviation from the aforementioned, will not save anyone.

the spirit you get is not holy, or else you would love scripture and sanctification and christ above all things, and all of you clearly dont, you are in the category of "im christian enough" who will hear the depart from me i never knew you, you better repent and take christ sacrifice seriously!

You have a very different picture of Jesus than the apostles, yours is very much less clear...as is mine, relative to theirs. Are you a heretic because of this fact? No. The Corinthian church, in general, had some strange views. Are they less Christian?

True. We have them in Romania, too.

The question really is: Is there any use/need to speak in tongues today, in the age where the majority of the world speaks 5 languages in total and you can literally get an app that translates into/from any language? And by languages I don't mean gibberish like "shallamalla-shallamalla" but actual, spoken tongue. The same goes for healing.

@@jvnd2785 it is much more than you think. Do as the Bible says

@@lexethonor294, truly, you avoid responding to the question. The Word of God says many things but it does not say that we should speak tongues. It was something that the disciples did in the 1st century because they had no other way to share the Gospel.

@@jvnd2785 you need to ask for the Holy Spirit. Read the Bible.

Same. Very strong men of God who love Jesus, yet are throwing the baby out with the bath water when they lump genuine gifts of the Spirit in with heresy like prosperity/word of faith theology. Their lack of nuance causes them to impose limitations on how God operates today.

I also find their teachings good and solid except when it comes to cessationism. They limit God and put God in a box when they think God cannot bestow gifts of the Holy Spirit. Having said that I don't believe that a genuine outpouring of spiritual gifts looks anything like the circus show that goes on at churches like Bethel. Unfortunately, a lot of what we see these days is not genuine but rather carefully orchestrated emotional hype.

@@j.c.5999 Chuck Smith called it 'Charismania', he was right. However, I refuse to apologise for the snake oil salesmen who have dogged the true church since the day of Pentecost itself. I have no truck with them and will have none and resent bitterly being placed by others alongside them.

Exactly! They are anointed men of God. It is obvious. So, why? Why do they insist on pulling tares? You cannot listen to these rants and rationalize they speak in love. And, any man who says he loves God yet hates his brother is a liar.

@@Zionist_Eternal The Bible teaches, through the apostle Paul, that Christians are called to point out false teachers. Paul did this himself. I have a hard time understanding how a believer can have a problem with someone who exposes false teachings/teachers -- particularly when God says we are to do this.

He is does do theology which is far more than many pentecostals

Max Marshall Who Washer? Yes I would expect him and others who are the lead pastors/speakers of the church to. I've not been around many Pentecostals or charismatics to comment on that, though from what I do know, there are those that do which are out there.

Max Marshall....Judge lest ye be judged.

richardmaggio1979 the Holy Spirit is given unto us to judge that which is evil from that which is good hence a born again Christian is not able to be deceived.

ty for using the most taken out of context verse in the Bible - it is appreciated (sarcasm intended)

If you can get past what others tell you about Pentecostal churches and visit one, you will see it.

Our does and it's Pentecostal

I've gone to Assemblies of God churches for years, as well as other denominations. None of them practice church discipline, they are afraid to lose tithes and members. I've given up trying to find a Biblical church in this apostate age.

Marquita Martin Try the Door Christian fellowship or the The Potter's House

I hope you don't mean the Potter's House where T.D. Jakes is head pastor. I know way too much dirt on that whole scene, wouldn't go there if my life depended on it. The other one I will look into.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e92Th7memLDFg40.html

According to his own views, he doesn’t call himself a Calvinist.

Hey Jesse. Did u know Paul Washer has a high respect for Leonard Ravenhill? Reformed folks have a respect for those who believe differently than us. However, Paul is clearly calling out the hard-core heretical stuff. Idk why that is a problem to u?

we're all biased...and?

Yeh you can. Because they are at the heart of the movement. From Hillsong to Bethel to Elevation to ..... www.pctii.org/churches.html

@@adamgoodword7888 ELEVATION isn't even charismatic. Secondly that's most of Christian worship music. Just about all of its gone that way and there isn't much biblical worship music left. Just because the majority goes crazy on doctrine (which is on both sides) you can't say they simply aren't Brothers. And as for the cessation view how can we say the gifts have ceased when they had them in the old testament. That's the same as saying God changes which isn't possible.

@@jandshatton331 beware...BEWARE..of false prophets...they will be WOLVES in Sheeps clothing

The only thing that makes me Pentecostal is that I pray in tongues, the Spirit helps me to pray for my non Christian loved ones and the Lord sometimes shows me Bible passages or words of encouragement to give to people to help them. I am happy to attend any church which preaches according to biblical truth and the Apostles' Creed. I haven't had many problems with Pentecostal churches as they tend to be conservative and Bible based where I've lived in the UK and Australia. Where some people tend to err is in being too casual toward God but I believe that is a modern problem and I haven't seen it in leadership where I've lived.

then you got to confront the Pastor.

Bless you its your reponsibility to question your pastor for any doctrine that may be troubling to your spirit.

Christianity is not about your feelings.

@@cincin4515 Does not our spectrum of emotions come from the Lord?

The idea that mystacism is somehow related to a relationship with God is blasphemy in itself. What do I mean by that. The same people that claim the Holy Spirit lead them to a pentacostal church, will have fellow church members that are living in carnal sin with unrepentant hearts. You see it's possible to be saved and be in a pentacostal church as God saves whomever He wants but it's not possible to be under their doctrine of The gifts, church dissipline and count yourself as being in the narrow road that leads to life and sometimes even their Christology and escatology are wrong. You need not be in a charismatic church, neo-pentacostal or tradisional pentacostal church, they seek signs and wonders to validate their belief in God and actually ignore and invalidate the work of the Holy Spirit within a believer's heart and spirit. Jesus never commended those who saught signs, in fact He condemned them because they would not believe even when He performed many miracles. Blessed are those believe yet they do not see.

others may say that they are not ashamed to say and glad that they are anti pentecostal because of all the grief they cause .

Can't be both

Elizabeth Bloedow Well, if he were to use scripture, he'd prove himself wrong. These guys are being arrogant and can't see where they're lead astray. Sad.

Exactly!

Elizabeth - Paul mainly works in glittering generalities - rather than hard Biblical exegesis.

So true!

@The Opposite of a Machine AMEN! I studied to be a pastor at a pentecostal church. I couldnt reconcile their teaching with the bible. This man is one of the boldest preachers around

The gifts of the spirit are these: wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord (Isaiah 11)

nope, some of it is far worse.

Bjorn Egan some far better

@@PapaSeed a small some.

Me too!! Jesus didn't have a denomination! ONE BODY!

It’s hard when it comes to different denominations like the charismatic group, where they’re actually leading people away from Christ and possibly to hell. It’s hard not to step in and let everyone know about it, but I know what you mean

Nick Hybner Jesus’s Church doesn’t have a denomination. The true Bible, the written Word of God, is what should always be the common denominator of Believers and Followers of Jesus Christ.

It’s not a Christian thing; it’s a human thing. Anywhere you have people, you will have division on ideas, beliefs, topics. Whether an atheist, democrat, republican, a vegan, or football fan.

You need to get it together and deal with it. Human history is rife with disagreements on theology. And it always will be until Christ returns and obliterates it all.

Daniel if she is preaching she should not be

poop...you don't judge pedophiles?

Wow well said

What gifts? I have never seen any in any church. We have Jesus, we have the Holy Spirit. The Lord gives us what we need. What value are gifts if you are caught up in the Pentecostal, Charismatic, NAR or Latter Rain movements? They come to naught because you will end up being cast into the lake of fire for all eternity.

We said my friend

@@nickhybner8485 You said what now?

Amen!

Just like a good politician. Then he tries to sell CD's. I'm glad you caught that!!!!

Are you deaf? He said he can’t say they are not saved, that was the whole point of his answer. In other words, and I’m ashamed to have to explain this, he says there may well be people in those churches that really believe the gospel. It’s not up to him to answer that question with a yes or no. God knows current state with Him.

Drinker_Of_ Milk it’s sweeping from all denominations!! Only the ones with string foundations are still standing

I think it is His rules we should fear, since they are absolute like natural laws, and the consequences for disobeying them so terrible.

Amen

that's not Biblical at all.

Hazel Scarlett sounds very self-centered. Did Paul give this kind of an example? Quite the opposite actually. We are supposed to care about the spiritual condition of God’s people and Christ’s church and not just let everything slide.

jacob maier Me too. I love John Piper, RC SPROUL and Alaister Begg, but they're missing out on some powerful stuff that the Holy Spirit is doing. I want the *whole* gospel. That's why I don't align myself with any denomination.

jacob maier John Piper is continuationist.

It's a shame that there is horrible demonic doctrine. I agree with that. But assuming that every person who believes in the gifts of the Spirit moving today is wonky is absurd. That's like saying every Reformed believer is a hypercalvinist. We need to properly discern because we know in ALL sections of the church there are people who are teaching false doctrine and are deceived. That's why Scripture teaches not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom

Dominic Polverino My experience comes fro. sitting in a Reformed church for 10 years back in the 90's. I was the only one in the church who delivered people because the Presbyterian Church I attended didn't BELIEVE IN DELIVERANCE! They are missing out on a lot of things by restricting the Holy Spirit.

This hasn't to do with cessation ism though? Grudem and Piper and MLJ and Wilkerson etc. aren't cessationist and they would agree totally woth PW about the prosperity preachers/WOF preachers. They are separate issues.

L Warrell my thoughts exactly.

If only the Harlot were merely the Catholic Church, and not the entirety of false professors of Christ including both Catholics and the majority of professing Protestants. America is itself closer to the description of the great whore than the present day Catholic Church. Where do all the great modern heresies come from? (Modern modalism aka "Oneness", Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Word of Faith, prosperity gospel, much of the problems in the Pentecostal churches, errors within reformed churches, etc) You will find America is the originator of many modern errors within all Christian groups throughout the world. What entity causes the great merchants of Earth to become rich? Who are materially the wealthiest Christians collectively in history? What nation has spread its vile entertainment, music, culture, and form of religion throughout the world more than the USA? Expand your view of the great whore brother, and realize that it is likely more pervasive than you realize. The good news is God will soon judge her, I am confident in this. Grace be with you, brother.

Because a number of organizations teach against the bible, charismatic churches go on feeling rather than the bible, some Pentecostal churches even teach having a beard is a sin and unless you shave your beard then you are going to Hell, I don't want to be yoked in with unbelievers, and most Pentecostal churches, not all, but most, are unbelievers.

east wood Dude you cannot generalise “current Pentecostal” movement as heresy saying all Pentecostal Churches are heretical.

As a pentecostal minister i must say that 1. You're right the pentecostal church in general has been led astray. 2. It's been led astraty by calvinists and specifically the southern baptist convention with it's seeker sensitive and church growth movements. 3. You're confused about the oentecostal mkvement and the charismatic movement. There's a biiiiig difference between the 2 and lumping them together is the same as saying reformed churches are just disgruntled roman catholic churches, and today's baptist churches are just disgruntled reformed churched churches. There are sharp differences between traditional reformed churches like the presbyterian church and the roman catholic church just as there are sharp differences between traditional reformed churches and baptist churches.

The movement was led astray???? The Pentecostal Movement from its inception was to lead people astray, away from the truth, away from Jesus. Nobody speaks in tongues today. It is no longer needed. We have translators and the gospel is printed in many different languages. In this day and age people do not need to speak in tongues.

@@adamgoodword7888 that's not true at all. Mere opinion. The cessationist movement was a creation of the 19th centurty theologian b.b. warfield. He and other hyper calvinists created the cessationist movement because of 2 main things. 1. There was a movement falsely representing the grace gifts of the Holy Ghost. And 2ndly, they were scared they would lose control over people because the bible disagrees with calvinism. What you're omitting is the fact that it took the pcog 50 years to accomplish everything the southern baptist convention has from it's inception till today. That pentecostalism strives for evangelism and reaching the lost 5 times more than any baptist or calvinist denomination. And that it was southern baptists like rick warren, and calvinists like robert schuler which helped create the heresies found infecting pentecostalism. Back before we were infected by the baptist seeker sensitive movement when we had a heresy we faced it down and overcame it with scripture and the power of the Holy Spirit. When the antitrinitarian theology of sabellianism, and noetism, and the church of christ heretical teaching of baptismal regeneration it was kicked out in about a year and was condemned as heretical with the general council of the assemblies of God addressing the heresy at a general council meeting when theologians and scholars were called upon from within our ranks to exegete all pertinent key passages of scripture. Those who would not repent were given the left foot of fellowship. When the original new apostolic reformation was starting under the name "new order of the latter rain" the assemblues of God not only condemned such heresy but wrote a position paper against it which it stood by up until the baptist and calvinist seeker sensitive movements started infecting pentecost. You don't know anything about Pentecost, or about pentecostalism, or the power of the Holy Ghost. You should type in your search bar "B.H. Clendennen a trojan horse". You'll get an idea of what kind of stock pentecostals come from.

i dsimiss it because it's hokum

It was a fully appropriate expression of joy and gladness for King David alone to perform, before 30,000 of his subjects, the house of Israel, on the very grand, pre-planned occasion (music, animal sacrifice, burnt offerings, food and wine gifts to the people); in honor of bringing the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David. The dancing of King David on that occasion was respective to his own anointing as King over all Israel, and his sole prerogative and authority to move the ark of God from one place to another. "And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD." Even King David himself didn't continue to dance in an ephod in front of the people from week to week, for the rest of his days. He danced for the LORD with all his might, wearing the linen ephod, on that one day for that one event.

@@leighb.8508 what if God told you specifically to dance and be energetically loud in your worship: “Praise him for his mighty works; praise his unequaled greatness! Praise him with a blast of the ram’s horn; praise him with the lyre and harp! Praise him with the tambourine and dancing; praise him with strings and flutes! Praise him with a clash of cymbals; praise him with loud clanging cymbals. Let everything that breathes sing praises to the Lord! Praise the Lord!” ‭‭Psalms‬ ‭150:2-6‬ ‭

Yes approved of God

Absolutely correct. Pity the men and women who live in the reformed fish bowl. Lets just hope God defines slander as unintentional ignorance.

My sense from watching a range of these clips is that personal conduct,. proper and civilised middle class white man behaviour is often the real issue. I'm fascinated as a social scientist as as to how many of you own 'truth'. There is a very wide range of owned 'truth' and claims to 'truth' among you. You look to me more like s bunch of children squobling in the school playground.

Do you think your argument is actually valid?

and therein lies the problem... people follow preachers and teachers and pastors and declare their love for them... but no one is following Jesus and declaring their love for Him. Follow Jesus, love Jesus, for only Jesus is the way, the truth, the life and the light of the world!!!

Closed minded about what issue?

I think he means like the gifts of the holy spirit

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are these: wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. (Isaiah 11:2-3) In the passage, the gifts are considered ones that the Messiah would have possessed. These are the gifts every Christians should aim for (that's what it means to be Christ-like). And the fruit of the Spirit is "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness" Galatians 5:22 Not speaking in tongues, not casting out demons (from a personal experience with pentecostal/charismatics, it's more often than not about boosting their own egos than providing actual help to others).