Its crazy all this lore is possible when the creators didnt even mean for simon to exist until they made a plot hole where ice king knew one of marcelines personal songs, and so they had to explain it some how, so they created simon and his entire backstory with marci

I am starting to believe that Simon is the most important character in adventure time. By taking care of Marcy he may have saved the world

Didn't huntress wizard have a connection with the forest? They didn't get to grow, because the clouds blocked sunlight.

I never thought I'd ever feel bad about Martin dying, but here I am.

Marceline’s house being upside down could also be a tarot card reference. When cards are reversed their meanings change so the star card upside down means hopelessness, despair, monotony, and lack of inspiration

Marceline (The Star) may be evil, but she has the drip! Her wardrobe was fire.

It's weird that this episode implies both Huntress and Martin must have come from a completely different group of humans than the islands humans.

For huntress wizard it’s a bit complicated , mainly cause of a lot of time between the bomb going off and her being born most likely her family were humans originally but as they learned magic they turned into more plant like creatures like the grass wizard. So huntress wizard would be born in that timeline as a plant girl but in this timeline since magic didn’t develop her family never turned into plants so she also as a result remained human

I'm almost certain Marceline escaped that first vampire when she was looting Simon, because when she turns into a vampire she stops aging. I wonder if she was aided by the Mother Gum, which would be awake around this time. Also 100% Baby Finn gets raised by the repaired Peppermint Tanker to become a mighty vampire bun kicker.

I also like juxtaposition of two pairs; while Marcelline and Bonnie are falling *down* , Marshall and Garry are running *up* the stairs.

To be fair on Simon's part, he DID ask for help. He was honest about his feelings with Finn and Dirt Beer Guy and tried calling Marcy. Sometimes you reach out and the support you get is well-intentioned but useless. People can be kind of confused about how to handle a friend's existential crisis.

honestly i think baby finn will end up becoming that worlds hero hopefully, from how it sounded with the peppermint tank it can auto repair given enough time, and since they wouldnt have a reason to check it for more survivors he'll probably be left to his own devices and peppermint just might train him to be a hero/hunter

I really love the difference between Cake and Jake. Jake was really really afraid of vampires while Cake easily kills them with no hesitation.

Bonnie is the gum element, every other human elemental was color coded with their element. Either she was born from the gum mother and got to see and engage with humans, got raised as one, and now wants revenge for them (marcy story, but for bonnie) , or she is a human elemental.

I feel like Marceline's house being upside down is just a reference to how bats sleep upside down, given the house has bat wings.

i think the saddest realization from this episode is that martin probably would've been a good dad to Finn if he didn't bonk his head trying to escape founder's island

i also like how fionnas world reflects where simon is😭 a blood drive while fighting vampires, it magically snowing when with the winter king

Huntress wizard's human hair color and one of Finn's kids in the return to Farmworld implies to us who his wife was. They really are meant for eachother

Man it's fucked up that they just left baby finn in that broken down tank, considering bubblegum is presumed dead he's left all alone there with nothing but the tank taking care of him

I was hoping youd mention how Ms Abadeer has the same inhumanely, eccentric movements as Hunson. Somehow it's more creepy when she does it because shes a normal human 😂

I also loved the scene where the fail to stab vampires with pointy woods, feels like a jab at Buffy where EVEN A PENCIL could kill a vampire.

I love the editing in this episode so much, it's almost cinematic. Ms Abadeer's mansion is fantastic too and so many cameos! My favorite is the piano player guy from all the way back in "Henchman."

I love that this show is full of what ifs. What if Simon died, what if Ice King was sane, etc. This show handles multiversal plot and lore quite well and carefully. It would make sense for Huntress not being a wizard since life there doesn't sustain itself due to the clouds covering the sun. Huntress Wizard is one with nature, and without nature, there's no wizards to take care of it. Huntress Wizard might've learned and gained magic from another nature wizard in Oo. Also, unless PB survives the fall with Marcy, Baby Finn is most definitely _gone_ since vampires are everywhere. A mere human can't even survive without the most advanced weaponry (tank and garlic bombs) like PB has. Oh and that last scene with Marsh and Gary is so adorable! Honestly, I would love to watch a special episode just between the two. I like how the show balanced the depressing scenes with the more light-hearted interaction between Gary and Marsh. We need more of them!

We know that PB is not immortal; she just ages very slowly. Since PB from the alternate universe is an adult, it suggests that everything in that universe occurred 1000 years after the mushroom war. Martin, however, was born much later in the timeline of the original AT universe. What I'm trying to convey is that, given the vast differences in the world over so many years, there's virtually no chance that Martin's great-great-grandparents would have met, nor would their descendants, until Martin was finally born. This implies that the reason Martin exists in this universe is simply because he is destined to be there. The same applies to the huntress. Her existence as a human is not due to the absence of magic, but because she is meant to exist. Mint Butler exists for the same reason. It's incorrect to say he doesn't exist because PB never built the candy kingdom; he does exist. If Minerva doesn't exist, it might be because she's not deemed crucial to the universe. If she does exist, there's a high likelihood that Finn does too. Perhaps Martin suffered a head trauma for some other reason, which is why he finds baby Finn endearing (he subconsciously recalls his son). It's possible that what made Martin unlikable initially wasn't his trauma but the experiences he endured, similar to Marceline from the vampire universe. If you suggest that Huntress Wizard is actually human, it would either imply that she managed to sustain her life with magic since the war (which is likely not feasible, as magic probably emerged after she would have passed away if born that early) OR she somehow left one of the human islands and learned magic in OOO, which also seems improbable. An interesting note about Marceline in this universe: her adult appearance suggests that the Vampire King prevented her from becoming a vampire until she reached adulthood. This means he must have cared for her as a human and so forth. Additionally, Marceline's ability to fly and shapeshift indicates that the king must have permitted her to defeat some vampires to acquire their powers.

I'm just hoping because baby finn in intro run, he's ok, and they left him in self-repearing anti-vampire tank, he'll grow up as vampire hunter, the hero, which hopefully somehow saves this universe cuz star is dead

Every episode so far has me feelin like a kid again this episode was amazing can’t wait for the season finale hopefully with prime Finn and before death Jake!!!

the humans who survived the mushroom war were the humans that marceline protected, they left Ooo on the banana boat not because of the vampires but because “something big was coming” which was the second cataclysm that turned Ooo magic instead of just post apocalyptic. presumably this universe never had the “something big” happen so instead of a magic being Huntress wizard is a decendant of the humans that survived the war and vampires so far

I like how even though the vampire king never had the realization of being trapped in the cycle, he still seems like a relatively chill dude (by vampire standards). Sure he is a bloodsucking tyrant but he is never seen abusing his minions and seems to genuinely love the star as his daughter.

I wish this worlds Martin never died so he can be a better father to Ooo's Finn or raise the "I'M A TUFF TOOTIN BABY THAT CAN DANCE LIKE A MAN" Finn Also RIP Simon. I wish Marceline never turned out like this 😭

Regarding Martin's morality I always thought that it was not only his head trauma but also the fact that most people he interacts with in the prison and on Oooo are just... Not humans he can't relate to them and don't see them as people which kind of make sense since in Oooo the definition of a person is so wide that an outsider could easily just not care about weird mutants creatures so far removed from humanity. Had he kept interracting with humans I do think his morality wouldn't have end up so questionnable.

I was so surprised that the show just glossed over the fact that the vamp king was seemingly unaffected entirely by the crown?? Why didn’t he turn into the faux evergreen?

It does seem plausible that Huntress Wizard was a human that transmogrified her body at some point to a more plant-like form via magic. The new magical body would be an easy explanation for the increased longevity she might need in order for that timeline to make sense. Good observation.

PB could also still be made of gum because she's an elemental. She would show up as herself no matter what. She might've even been a human before mutating like Patience's friends

for huntress, i think the existence of vampires, especially as the primary lifeform in this ooo, countermeasures the balance of magic, with so many beings made of magic other lifeforms that would of partially been made of magic can't exist or non magic beings cant evolve into magic beings, so characters like huntress wizard and other sentient beings in ooo would just be human. Bubblegum still exists as bubblegum since the mother gum existed shorty after the mushroom bomb, bubblegum not needing to evolve kept it magical

I want a season 2 where we return to this world to actually help them, instead of fucking everything up Also kinda want to see Regular Marceline and PB fight this version of Marcy

I'm glad you pointed out the fact the marceline being called "the star" is a reference to stakes

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED THAT THEY JUST DITCHED BABY FINN

23:37 OMG HE WAS LEFT IN THE PEPPERMINT BUTLER TANK WHICH HAS SELF FIXING CAPABILITIES NO? The tank was set to be fixed after a whole day, and no vampire will check on that tank because it's presumably empty. It's automated, can communicate, but idk if it can take care of a baby. The thing with finn, he's always had a bit of luck, for the farm world finn, I don't think he died. He was wearing that anti fangs headwear. So, although the possibility isn't high, maybe baby finn did survive. Maybe the tank could leave and raise baby finn 😭 but that's just me and my delusion

when i saw Martin, something that came to my mind, was what his Prismo wish could be and i like to think, that he would wish for a reality where he didn't go crazy and escaped to Ooo with Finn based on a weird dream he had (a dream about his past)

This show is Dark as hell man, it's amazing how it just takes characters we've known we've a decade and immediately kills them off in a heartbeat.

You know an idea did come to mind regarding each universe, there is a possibility that no matter how bad things got in those universes after Fionna, Cake, and Simon left it, there is still a chance that things might actually be getting better for them, think about it. The last we see of Farmworld Finn was supposedly getting impaled by Scarab but we don't really see him Die it was just implied, the same for PB and Marcelene. Who knows it might have turned out they all survived. Not only that but don't forget, Peppermint Tank is watching over Finn with the prospect of him self repairing himself. So who knows maybe baby Finn will grow up raised by Peppermint Tank to continue the fight for Ooo.

You know, Martin was also from Founders Island. So by your logic about why Minerva doesn’t exist, Martin should also not exist. I think Minerva may exist but obviously, she never met Martin and they never had Finn in this universe.

I'm obsessed with Evil Marcie's new designs.

since the episode has to do with their names as tarot cards, it could be showing "the star" in reverse, meaning the feeling of hopelessness. not necessarily things being hopeless but feeling like it, which could point to the lingering feeling of pb and marceline falling to their doom or having left baby finn in the vamp world?

I find it strange that Hunson Abadeer had no mention in The Star' universe.

But haven’t we noticed that she’s a Star? 21:53 It bothered me that they could’ve had Cake stretch, grab the crown and then teleport away. Like, they were *literally* that close… Also, I don’t think that they both died. Marceline has the upper hand and could probably slow down their descent or shapeshift so that the other vampires could grab Bubblegum. 😂

I am awaiting the analysis of episode 8. I have been wondering for days whether what we saw is OOO of the Lich's desire or our OOO in the future. Also, Betty is giving me negative vibes.... It seems like she already knew way too much about what she was doing while she was with Simon.

I'm loving your episode analysis and the show so far. It's amazing

Maybe I missed something but, if Marcelline didn't help out the humans that would eventually travel to founders island ,wouldn't that mean Martin wouldn't have existed ether?

Anybody else like the cakes face as the cake tank is Jake's criminal look from one last job

My best guess is that the Vampire Multiverse lacks Biodiversity. With the vampires there, there was no ability for other species to develop. Yet this is still a Multiverse so the Variants of the main cast still developed in the only way they could So Huntress Wizard didn't develop as a... I think she's some form of dryad...?

13:09 This logic for why Martin isn't selfish is kind of broken. The whole thing depends on the assumption that the head trauma he received whilst trying to leave the island is what made him how he is, whereas I believe the show made it pretty clear that he was already a con artist long before that.

9:57 I think Huntress Wizard was a mutated human that became a wizard. She has the same green skin colour as the mutated human Shoko, Finn's previous life. So I don't think Huntress Wizard is just a normal human, but a mutated one in the OG series and in this universe she doesn't have the green skin that hints to mutation but normal skin. So in the vampire universe she's just a normal, non-mutated, non-wizard human

Bruh I can’t believe they did baby fin like that but at the same time I love to believe he’s going to become the hero that world needs

On the point about Founder's Island, if Martin was also there before Finn was born doesn't that imply he was also originally from the island? If we say that Minerva never could have existed because Founder's Island was never created, wouldn't the argument be the same for Martin? Unless I'm missing something that implies he came to Founder's Island and wasn't born there. My understanding was that all the humans on the island descended from the group Marceline saved

Bro you do such a great job putting these videos together, i look forward to them every time. I didnt catch the bit about the humans that went to founders island. Great video!

I, for one am really excited to see what other content you are gonna make in the future. Hope you find another show to cover as in depth as you are doing for adventure time. I'm subscribing c:

I'm absolutely loving these videos, can't wait for the next episode review.

FINALLY I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!

I wonder how it is that martin was born though. because as far as i know we never see anything relating to his childhood, does that mean he wasnt descended from the founder humans? definetly an interesting thing to speculate on.

Is the vampire king's will just too strong? Cuz i just realize the vampire king has no signs of being affected by the crown in a negative way like how simon ,gunther and finn was affected

I literally wait for u to drop every week Thank u for all ur hard work !!!😊

I loved Simon getting so defensive of the way the Vampire King raised Marceline

Been loving the videos man! Keep up the great work

As soon I seen you uploaded I instantly started watching it (i still didn't finish the vid and I commented on it XD)

With MS. Abadeer apearing in the F&C universe I was kinda expecting Hudson being summoned in the vampire one, being delighted with this Marcelline and forcibly take her to the nightosphere (killing the vampire king in the process)... But the endidg we got it's cool too, though i'm worried for baby Fin.

I took the upside-down Marcelina house as another tarot reference! Usually if a tarot card is pulled in the “inverse” it takes on the negative characteristics of the cards original qualities!

i’ve been waiting for your episode 🔥🔥🫶🏼

I wanna see TS Marceline fight against OG Marceline

We also see Grid princess in the episode where Darren and Maja attack the candy kingdom as she is the one that made the forcefield that Rootbeerguy activated before he died

Anyone else notice that Marcy’s star necklace is a Magen Star? ✡️

Cannot wait for the finale on Thursday ;-; Too bad that i have classes on that day. Don't want to miss the launch tho ;-;

I think baby Finn is going to become a really good vampire hunter, being teached by a AI Tank that can regenerate

I think baby Finn will become a vampire hunter as he grows and actually save the world to some extent

I'm not all that surprised Martin is different in the vampire world then in the original one. Here's a bit of a thought experience. Let's say I was cloned and my clone had all my memories and experiences. Now put that clone in a different world or something. couple years later if I were to meet my clone he and I would be completely different people due to our individual experiences. Kind of the same thing with Martin. Because of his circumstances, his experiences differ drastically from the original world Martin. You could even argue that had Martin not been forced on the raft and was separated from Finn, he'd probably have turned out a much better person. Course this is delving into "Nature vs. Nurture" territory. Same thing with Marceline. Without Simon's guidance and being raised by the Vampire King, she became a far more evil person, selfish person. Our experiences are what shape us.

Baby Finn isn't stuck with the vampires, the vampires are stuck with baby finn

i have beef with the character designers for not giving marshall lee's mom the iconic big cat eyes that hunson abadeer has. it makes her look like a totally different person. you could argue that since shes human she has to have the dot eyes but huntress wizard's human counterpart (hunter) kept his big cat eyes...

the upside down marcy's house imediately reminded me of that song she and her mom sang "lets go in the garden, you'll find something waiting. right there where you left it lying *upside down* "

I’m so glad I’m watching these videos because I remember going “I wonder what this world’s fin would be like?” Completely forgetting that two bread tom existed and was the most important part to the human islands

I chose to believe that because the vampire universe has no Finn, and baby Finn is, I assume, also a reincarnation of a catalyst comet, then baby Finn is gonna grow up and become a vampire hunter in the new vampire universe.

I think huntress wizard is human more because all the planets are dead or dying because the sun is blocked out and so there would be no advantage to becoming more plant-like

This story always makes me think what happened to the people on those small islands. Did they survive because of the robot or die?

Hm, this was a very interesting Episode, but it did leave me with some Questions like: How did things go for Baby Finn? Did Bubblegum and The Star die? But most of all, what exactly was the status of The Lich in this Universe?

the entire founders island ramble was just you repeating yourself, everything else is awesome

I was only disappointed that the crown didn’t alter the Vampire King’s appearance at all.

very clever theory about huntress wizard. It totally makes sense

I don't think that Finn and Minerva not existing in that universe just boils down to Founder's Island never existing, because Martin was also born there. So it's probably just by chance that in this universe Minnerva's ancestors died, while Martin's didn't

loved this video!!

"eat garlic" could be a vampire version of "eat shit"

Man, I don't get how they made Star look so good. Also, girl crabbit was pretty hot.

You did a really great job on the huntress theory but the minerva theory fumbled

Assuming huntress wizard was a human in og timeline bcs she is in an alternate one is like assuming choose goose was originally human since he’s human in multiple universes(the Fiona and cake”non magic” timeline and the farmer world timeline)

simon specifically tells marci "someone else would take care of you theyd be rich and have a mansion" even more so foreshadowing that without him she would be royalty of ooo

I think the reason huntress wizard is human but PB is still candy is because Elementals are still a driving force of nature for every dimension its why the Candy Queen had mad candy magic, she was still the candy elemental, she was just crazy. I imagine this soldier PB is still the candy elemental despite the pivot of power in Ooo

You know when billy BILLY is dead everyone dead

i never thought about all that about finn and everything

Nice finally❤

I only have two questions: 1) What was the wish for this to happen? 2) How did the Vampire King not fall into Madness from the crown?

Honestly, it seems as if marceline did the world a huge favor by getting rid of all the vampires. Waitwaitwait, there were two catalyst comets between the time of marceline helping the humans escape and the season 6 finale, how did the vampires stop both comets?! That’s always been a little thing for me, like how are the catalyst comets stopped in the alternate universes?

Also I don't think Huntress Wizard is a human like Finn, since Ooo's humans don't have noses