Penn should make a hate club and he should be the leader of the club

if joe has one hater penn is the one if the world is for joe penn is against the world

Lol.

this is so real

This is what I think as well, the show is very well written and thought and any actor would love to play such a complex character, now the reactions of some fans are... worrying to say the least. But I also think it's super interesting to see how messed up our conception of love can be.

I don't get why he's surprised. The story is clearly trying to make people like him. He should pick a different role if he doesn't like that

@@snoozyq9576 uh no. The story literally shows all the twisted stuff he does and how he tries to justify it to himself.

He dislikes the character he's playing, not the role that was given to him. There's a difference between the two. I mean, who wouldn't like Joe's creepy personality? Lol

THIS.

I don’t think it’s necessarily that he hates the character, he just is shocked that people are actually looking up to Joe, saying things like, “Joe needs to be happy”

@@alechamilton1864 it’s true. considering the push to reform humanity, you have to understand every crevice of every way of life/thinking that each unique human possesses. I believe TERRIBLE people can change and break their cycle. however to truly break mental disability within that persons genetic chain, it will take generations. it has to start with someone. that one maniac/criminal that finally associates with reality and understands that what they’re doing is not right nor justified. I believe you do need to be happy in order to achieve that level of stability or at least aspire for that moral happiness.

@@alechamilton1864 So you are against restorative justice and rehabilitation?

@@JDdr86 well for serial killers yes I am…

@@JDdr86 yes

I KNOW 💀 I mean is he wrong?

I mean are you gonna look at me and tell me that he’s wrong?

Handsome* don't forget handsome

It's not a joke. That's reality.

@@azuki_O yup pretty privilege is a big thing

Without that it would less popular. Girls like the story because the story wrote Joe in certain way that elicits sympathy and endearment.

@@snoozyq9576 mmmmm i believe also a lot of men identify as Joe sadly

I love men policing who women can find attractive, truly he's a feminist icon /s

@@BriarPatchNyra bruh stfu HE'S A MURDERER he should absolutely be policing them and being condescending as fuck to them TF. Don't make this about feminism and give feminists a bad name with your bullshit 💀🤡

Honestly i seen a lot men back up joes actions throughout the story and justify it more.

Yeahh but you is a well written show with a really good acting skills... And twilight saga is a terrible movie with terrible acting

@@gaurynair7639 true

@@gaurynair7639 I wouldn't really say that You is well written either. The writing is cringe af and extremely pretentious. One of the most cringe scenes in the history of all the shows that i've watched happened in season 2 of You. That being the scene where Joe jumps out a window and then Ellie just randomly says "White Male Fragility". The line makes zero sense in the context of the scene and was just the writers throwing in buzz words. The same thing they do in a lot of other scenes on the show.

@@summoner1451 no i mean if you were hip with teens nowadays that's definitely something someone would say

@@summoner1451 You just sound triggered, honestly. Really showing that white fragility

For real tho 😂

When he said he's tired of telling people how to feel...I felt that

Yes sadly

Exactly 🤣🤣

I mean, why was he surprised? If everyone hated his character, why would they bother watching?

I like to believe people have the capacity to tell fiction from reality. You can enjoy watching Joe's escapades, even root for him at times, but it doesn't mean you would ever side with a stalker in real life. It doesn't mean you idolize stalking either. You just enjoy watching a tv show 🤷‍♀️

@@jodie3950 ofc theres a great wall between fiction and reality and I think many You fans can understand that, but theres also many who genuinely think thats a "hot and romantic" and as OP said, you can only romanticize it if you havent lived thru it

@@aaaaaaaafjjdjs it's not true tho there are literal sexual assault victims with assault rp fetishes because that's how they cope. You can't just assume every victim has PTSD that works the same. Can ABSOLUTELY romanticse something fucked up even if it's already happened to you and it happens a lot. (Also ik this is in the context of stalking but eveything I said still applies. Theres a huge difference between you shouldn't romanticse and you can't. It's fiction not reality you can't assume everyone is affected the same way especially by traumatic events)

@@jodie3950 me when I can't read

I remember watching this the first time at a friends place hungover, and hearing Joe do his cope speech the first time I could not stop myself from laughing uncontrollably at that. I might be dealing with my own copes, but I was the only one laughing because I thought this was supposed to be a parody of himself, and it's just funny that keeps warping the flawed logic into it, I'm convinced Penn is actually aiming a little bit for the comedic performance, but the rest of the production won't let him. I didn't realise that some people think this is romantic. Even in reality when a good looking guy is overly invested in you way too fast, is someone that quickly loses any charm

How did you not realize earlier😏

He’s the narrator of the show. It’s very conflicting

It's ok, you got there in the end haha

Is the ringing in your head muuuuuusic?

Honestly his voice and acting is one of the things that -in my opinion- make this show top tier

No 90% of the time all Joe did is right. He tried to rescue others by killing or self defense. Also the others try to manipulate other characters and try to bullshit Joe and try to make him look bad or frame him. Its all to blame themselves for ending up dead.

The actors only do it to think more deeply about it and to understand the character so they can act it better.

@@user-ox3lr8eq5s understanding the character and defending the character are two very different things. Penn Badgley is a perfect example of it. I will even say that if you find excuses to a character like Joe, it only shows that you don't understand him cause it means that you believe the fantaisies that Joe tells to himself. So that won't make you play him better, on the contrary.

My sister dated a guy who turned out to have narcissistic personality disorder. He abused her in every way except physically putting hands on her She's out of the relationship now, thankfully When we talk about that relationship, sometimes we almost start going down the rabbit hole of "why" her ex behaved as he did But we'll never really understand. He was too fucked up WE aren't malignant narcissists (like her ex was) so it's a totally foreign/"alien" mindset to us

Probably because he read the book and Joe in the book is waay creepier.

The only one he gets a pass for is for killing the pedo even though that was an accident.

Yeah, serial killers twist morals and logic to "justify" their murders all the time lol

That‘s shocking, but also there is a reason why so many women stay with abusive men and try to justify their behavior…. It‘s so sad

i kinda totally forgot that he's a serial killer. i know he's murdered a couple people but i forgot he wasn't just a psycho stalker💀

@@Tocaraca serial killers don’t have to enjoy killing to be serial killers though, just because we think of them that way doesn’t mean that what defines them. There have been many serial killers who didn’t necessarily enjoy killing but did it anyway. Also he keeps souvenirs of his victims, a trademark of serial killing

Yh he's extremely self aware and extremely delusional

Yeah he clearly has some sort of reality disassociation. That became evident in the episode in Peach's house where he was creeped out realizing her stalking behaviour when he was doing the exact same thing.

lol Joe is not to blame. 90% of the time he killed out of self defence or to protect others from evil. And many tried to bullshit him. And dont talk about Peach that bitch. She and others are only to blame themselves to die. They did that to themsleves. Otherwise they would kill inoccent ones. I dont get it. How can all always talk bad about Joe Character. He is not the villain. Are you blind while watching? They betray him or manipulate him or mock him or trie to kill others and Joe tries to block it. They are the ones who try to manipulate other characters and framing Joe while trying to be evil and also killing. And look at beck. Fucking her therapist, lying about it, trying to kill joe when he trusts her and she fucking around on tinder as slut queen.

@@zarosderer4447 “how can all always talk bad about Joe character.” Hmmm let’s see. He’s a delusional, self-aware, hypocritical, psychopath that murdered people. Okay yes, Beck did try and escape from Joe. This was because he locked her in a cage. And yes Beck did cheat on Joe with her therapist which is 100% wrong, but that doesn’t mean she deserved to die for it. Peach was an asshole but that doesn’t mean she deserved to die either. The fact that you’re supporting a killer baffles me.

@@tierrajones5203 LOL :D Then its better them (who didnt deserve it) to kill others. Thats what would happen. It was them or him or them or others. Beck fcuked around like a slut while dating and dumping Joe and then again dating and dumping. Again and again. Like in real life. And she manipulated him and ghosted. then she fucked aroiund again and then oh wow she sees him with the black women and then she tries to destroy him and new relationship and does everyhing to be fucked. Good I am only watched each season only once. I would be angry if I could remember more. Hoepfully I forgot 90% of each season. Thank good. I would be in a rage when i watch again. The scene where she fucked the bartender still hunts me after 5 years. She got the shit fucked out of her and opened the curtains from the window so everyone can see how she is beeing a slut. This life is cruel. I wittnessed myself. They bitches trying to bullshit you, mock you and spit on you from above making comments or weird actions so you be the bad one in front of other people. And they do it smart without others noticing. So this show only shows how in real life most things are the same. The vicitims are to blame themselves. They did this to themselves when attacking Joe and trying to shit on his life and relationships. They deserved it

I’d be pretty concerned too lol

Joe I understand him. 90% of the time he did everyhting right. You all cant understand him.

Exactly. If he liked playing joe or resonated with him that would be truly worrisome.

​@@zarosderer4447 you okay dude?

@@yawrrrrrr I am very fine, why shouldnt I? Just you all dont know art and how to perceive

I mean I don't think it's really that bad bc it's just a character. I love Joe as a bad guy with anti-heroic traits, he's a great character, not a good person. Never idolize a serial killer.

You just scream noooooooooooo! internally and lose a bit of hope for humanity lol

Eh better than being castrated for playing Jeffrey on game of thrones among other roles. Some villain actors are hated irl for what they do

I rooted for him only because some of the other characters annoyed me more. But is he a good person??? NO. I found the fact that he disliked the “killer” side of Love so weird cause he’s EXACTLY like that!

90% of the time Joe did right. I understand him. He is not a villain. He is good hearted. He is justice. And killed for self defence or protecting others. So stop tallking bullshit

Yes omg. He sees it the way it is. Joe is bad

Just to play devil's advocate, there's a difference between excuse and explanation. What he does is undoubtedly bad and wrong, but understanding the reasons behind is really what drives this show and why he's interesting. In reality, it's also a very limited approach to say "this person is bad, deserves x and y and z and that's that". The whole point of understand someone's motivation is to learn how to prevent it and a lot of it comes down to social and parental issues. And yet, in stead of working to become better as a society and individuals, we just dump all the blame onto one person and call it a day. The truth is the mind is a mysterious and complex entity, and people like Joe or even real life examples are just an extreme manifestation of ideas and patterns of thinking that each of us has. If you think about it, if Joe was a healthy version of himself, he'd be a pretty decent if not great guy.

@@mariyabardarska5895 I always ask why are you advocating for the devil when people say this. An excuse is a category of explanation. You can take a person who has has a horrible life and use that to explain why which becomes an excuse then the simple rebuttal is yeah but... What about the thousands of others in this situation? The need for nuance has expanded to the forgiveness of bad people which there's a study by Abby Day that says comes from Christain influence in media. I.e advocating for the devil and everything can be explained. Things should be forgiven because yes they did horrific things but they have a good heart.

@@trianenopenottrian9108 because the devil is a representation of everything we don't want to face yet keeps creeping up every chance he gets. People's obsession with seeming perfect and never questioning things so they can stay in their comfortable bubble IS the real devil. To say an explanation is a type of excuse is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard, and if that were the case, then you just completely dismissed the value of jobs like psychologists. This argument about what about the other people in that situation is so old and so played out what I can't believe people actually still bring it up. I thought we were past it but obviously not. You talk about forgiveness but I never said anything about forgiveness. I said understanding. Whether you like to admit it or not, things that happen to us do have an impact and it's not about excusing, forgiving or justifying, but it's about understanding how the mind works and where lies the line between sanity and insanity. What makes one one or the other. It's also funny that you would bring up Christian values since they are the ones who usually jump the gun to put absolutes on things. Nothing is absolutely evil or absolutely good. Infl fact the very concept of an absolute is an abstraction because it's purely man made. If you take Joe as an example, to me knowing his life story, it's interesting to think what he could have turned out to be if he didn't develop such unhealthy coping mechanisms and took things so far. And while most people growing up in abuse and neglect may not turn into serial killers, they still develop some pretty harmful pathologies. But I guess according to you, we shouldn't look at that and work to become better, because "everyone has it bad". What a disgrace. The fact that it happens to so many people IS the problem, Triane, it doesn't make it normal just because it's common. It just makes it something we need to change. Hard to do that if we keep closing out eyes to understanding the role we play in other people's lives and how actions/lack there of matter. But people like you just don't like to to take accountability or look within to understand your own humanity so you'd rather just judge and point fingers. Fair enough, stay in the dark. Ain't nothing there that's not already in the light, only difference is it will trip you up every time because you can't see it.

Nah, I'm on the same page

Yep

Nah, I hate Joe as much as him

Don’t say Gods name in vain

@@dellina8512 I’ll say whatever I want. No one has to follow your religion but YOU.

@@dellina8512 god god god god god god god god god

@@dellina8512 Fuck YAHWEH!, and Allah, for that matter.

@@dellina8512 god oh my fucking god oh my fucking god.

are you fucking serious ?

He speaks the truth

@@ecueto395 the chracter is not white

except hes not white

@@marvin2678 penn badgley is white, which is information that’s freely available on google. the character is also white, and he literally just confirmed that to you himself in this video.

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE GIRLS WHO ARE BLIND AND IN LOVE WITH JOE!!! SAVE THEIR SOULS WITH YOUR WORDS

@@blooms454 it scares me so much how people will HATE Joe’s “love interests” bc they don’t “appreciate his dedication and love” 🤢

@@kerp0864 I remember when season 1 came out and the comments said Becca deserved to die…I vowed to never fucking watch this show because of this shit. It’s too much

and it really sucks! because there are so few shows and movies that have the protagonist as a psychologically troubled antihero/villain, and those are my absolute favorites. but because people romanticize the hell out of every single one of them, it almost makes me not want to have them continue. but the problem isn't the art, it's the people and their problematic interpretations.

well they deserved it Joe did 90% of the time everything right. He had no choice. Self defense and trying to rescue others from getting killed. The others are to blame for their death because of their actions.

Drama can be portrayed in the most seemingly banal scenarios. I happen to enjoy portrayals of well-adjusted people experiencing relatable challenges too.

@@Afinati of course, honestly it depends on the story and what it calls for

SAME! The show is entertaining as heck but I cant even imagine wanting Joe. My favorite thing about watching the show is just being utterly disgusted at his insanity and hypocrisy and being surprised over and over at just how insane the character can truly be. tbh, I didn't even know people were idolizing the character at all because I couldn't even imagine anyone thinking that way while watching the show. It's so sad!

I find Penn extremely attractive, but not Joe. Also, I think the fact Penn is so open about how horrible Joe is and that it’s not a love story and he’s not a redeemable person makes him even more attractive to me. Penn’s intelligence makes me 🫠😍

Hahahaha good eye😂

I think he truly understands the character more than anybody else. I'm sure the studio just wants the show to be dramatic and wants people to fall in love with joe because it's good for views but I'm sure with Penn directing he'll take a darker turn and truly show people how Joe is a bad person and shouldn't be idolized or romanticized.

@@khamazon8893 Joe still has a couple good/not bad traits thoughwhich Penn might take away💀 He feels guilty about his shit.. eventually, he cares about kids and his narration is hilarious

I think it might be the best season yet. The first half was great!

@@maybenotserious I don’t think it’s the best but it’s definitely very good and different lol

2:13

LMAO

Yandere story lol

Wow, yeah basically😂😂😂

.... I was not prepared to find such brazen truth in this comments section XD Thank you lol

honestly never thought about that until now lmaoo true

Yeah, I think some women just want to feel strongly desired by someone they desire. There's nothing wrong with THAT, but I think movies and shows often mistakenly portray stalkers and murderers as doing what they do out of "desire" when it's more of an "obsession" with their OWN entitlement, views of how their life SHOULD be, feeling like they're "saving" someone (who doesn't need it), hurting someone who "deserves" it, control, anger, etc. I actually like that Joe is an unreliable narrator, but it's sad that a lot of fans admire or root for him lol

True. Watching the show there is this scene Spoiler! He has his ex in the back of his van, tied up, in the middle of the night, saying they're just going to rekindle their love by having a nice picnic. He's frantic and she's terrified . This scene was just so terrifying because that's the reality of him. Good guys don't tie up scared girls in their vans. Imagining it happening to someone I love, i just can't see him as 1 good person anymore.

um murderers have fanclubs. Some people are just crazy.

fr, my family was stalked by this asshole for awhile and it was terrifying. i remember being like 9 or 10 walking past the dining room window seeing him in my yard and my heart instantly dropping

I mean serial killers tend to get bombarded with love letters. It's really weird.

2:13

2:13

Same 😭😂

That would be fantastic!

they deserved it not Joe to die lol wtf do you even watch the show correctly?

watch the trailer for the new season hes got the beard lmao

@@hazee03 penn gonna be babyfaced for the rest of his life

Victoria is a gift 💝

I feel that. I was pretty frustrated it was Love being taken down instead of Joe

I mean love was also a bad character. At some point equally as bad as Joe is. I don't think she deserved to win and live in the end but neither did Joe. It would be fitting for him if one of this victims led to his demise.