Yeah especially when its women

Yeah, with Bernadette and Penny in tbbt and Jake in b99

I feel like that in itself is part of the "cool girl" image. Contrasting a chill, fun female SO. with a baby-crazed husband-hunter. It adds to the male power fantasy, the woman doesn't want kids, because the guy doesn't want kids, often because he doesn't want to give up independence (or more often is just too immature), Then, suddenly, once the guy wants to settle down the female SO does a 180 and is suddenly super stoked to be a mom.

It's so gross and weird my god

Yeah, it's kinda frustrating when characters who don't want kids are expected to change their minds. Jake and Amy have a way healthier and more supportive relationship than the TBBT couples but I still kinda felt that Penny, Jake and Bernadette deserved better especially because of how Penny's pregnancy plot was handled and Bernadette's career being negatively affected. Also, while Jake and Amy are my fave sitcom ship, it made him giving up his career while the other parents got to have both feel a tad unfair and bittersweet.

in Brazil, this would be classified as r@pe.

@@acaciaeugenia4386 it honestly is cause wtf

@@acaciaeugenia4386 same in uk - illegal

Ikr, as the video says, it's frustrating how the show kept it vague to avoid coming off as a bit questionable but it's actually a pretty uncomfortable situation as the fact that he was sober and didn't put on protection despite knowing that Penny was drunk and didn't want kids is more than a little yikes (especially as it's not the first time that he's taken advantage of Penny being drunk and slept with her while she was drunk and he wasn't) and leaves poor Penny looking a bit trapped as her 'happy ending' is a baby despite not wanting kids and a job she doesn't like just to give Leonard his dream of marrying the 'pretty neighbour' and being a Dad and having a career he enjoys.

Damn, did they gloss over this bit because I do not remember AT ALL that the child was conceived because Penny was drunk. Leonard is sneaky for that.

Absolutely, Bernadette deserved better but we're supposed to feel bad for him

@@gensai93 well yes and no Bernadette didn’t deserve a baby and crazy marriage with Howard also Bernadette is kinda a bad person because everyone at her office is scared of her and she doesn’t do anything to stop her toxic work behavior even when called out

@workingelephant302 yeah Howard did have some good development it would have been great for him to meet his father and realize he got his disgusting behavior from him and would bring Howard full circle and be a great episode

i always felt so uncomfortable by him.

He hid a camera in a stuffed animal and gave it to her. And it was laughed off. It's insane.

Agree

Even Penny feels this is wrong though. In the earlier seasons she took issue with this in three separate episodes: the actress that moved in upstairs, the deaf girl that was milking Raj, and the girl from her hometown that was using Howard.

@@epbrown01 in those episodes she had moments where she felt bad, but then she realize that she is different because she actually cares about them. I think you should re-watch this video because she specifically talks about that.

Exactly they are after the woman sex so what's wrong if she uses her looks or whatever else to get what she wants her as he is doing the same it's an exchange

@@taylorgayhart9497 She realizes she's different or she just *tells* herself she's different?

Her alcohol addiction really needed to be adressed… it’s not a funny joke

@@35yoglenmckenna31 I genuinely thought writers wanted to reflect her dissatisfaction with life, failure of dreams and then new profitable, but unfulfilling career. How it was weighing on her. Damn, she was really trying and hard working all the time. It was very realistic and I liked it. It could’ve been so cool to watch her deal with this dilemma. But then nothing ever came after that. Her story really could have been so much more than what we got.

This is one of the things that bugged me the most about the end of the series! They turn penny into this bitter, miserable, alcoholic and constantly belittle her for ever making an attempt as an actress. What is the message supposed to be there? Don’t follow your dreams you’ll be miserable in the end? And what, the solution is to settle for the dude across the hall who you weren’t really interested in but he wore you down and he finally went out? Such bs.

Luie at leat she could job as salespersom and doing acting on the side an seeing how that pans out openly , that ould nbe way more intresting. And she could try becomoing a nurse?! Which financially woulsnt be much but maybe fulfilling and she has really competency there. Somethig that ..

The message I got was that if a passive-aggressive, "woe is me," entitled asshole like Leonard moves in next door, I should move immediately.

I declare that Penny got an abortion off-screen and lived happily childless ever after! It is cannon now.

they did the exact same thing with bernadette, she didn’t want kids at all

I remember reading the comments on one video and they were insulting Penny for not wanting to have kids after all the shit Leonard did for her. Just imagine those commenters having kids and trying to teach that 'lesson' to them.

I was angry with the writers because after alll this time and relationship history they chose to have this serious talk after they are married. You talk about these things before. It was framed like this big sudden thing but apparently Leonard should have known or Penny should have been questioning already so I don't get it. It was quite dumb to frame it like this big decision when in fact it already probably happened

@@inkakoutna7155 it’s such an annoying trope in media tbh like idk why they keep doing it. when me and my bf first started dating we both made it clear that neither of us ever wanted children so we knew we could keep going on with the relationship without that ever being an issue down the road. people not discussing that early on is just baffling to me. some people say it’s “too early” to talk about kids but i think it’s really important to discuss it if you’re interested in a long term relationship with someone

I think her overall career deserved better. She's been in a lot of stuff and apparently works harder than what her roles demand, and takes her line reading very seriously, memorizing everything all the actors say, but yet her roles are usually just her being the hot blonde, permiscuous chick of the show. While she does it well, it seems like she gets the Megan Fox treatment of typecasting based on how hot she is to the casting calls. While Penny is a flawed character, you could tell most of her character's perception in the show came from how the writers see her. Not what she could bring to the table. Especially knowing that Penny's character was much different in the original pilot and concept, but they toned her down. Penny's characters are usually more interesting than the casts shes with.

I like her in Harley Quinn show too definitely deserved better

did she though? I feel like the two expressions in the thumbnail of this video are the only two expression I've even seen her make. maybe I need to see her in something else.

@@bdp8102 have you watched the flight attendant? I really liked her in it. Her character is kind of a dick sometimes but you really feel for her and what she's going through. There's a scene in the second season that made me cry buckets

@@clarakf I will give it a shot, thank you :)

100% also to add onto your comment the racial undertones were so infuriating. Raj the only minority in the main cast was considered 'less desirable' than the other nerds. Even Sheldon who was not interested in a relationship got one yet Raj who wanted to be in a happy relationship didn't! It just perpetuates the idea of asian (in this case south asian) men being more feminine, less attractive compared to their whiter counterparts. Which in real life is utter bs.

How does it hate women? Amy and Berni accomplished everything they hoped for and I believe the writers were working on Penny and Raj doing the same but rushed the last episodes cause the actors decided not to come back for a final session

@@manniefresh3425 perhaps they did, but Bernadette and Amy were insufferable to watch. Bernadette has this annoying squeaky voice (I’m not sure if it’s the actress and if it is I’m sorry, but they definitely put her in situations to make it worse) and she’s pedantic and bullies the people around her into doing what she wants them to do. Meanwhile Amy is portrayed as incredibly undesirable, with her frumpy clothes, her narcissistic moments and her constant reminder to everyone that she used to be bullied and needs to make up all the cliché girl stuff. Even if both got their great ending, the show did them dirty for the main part.

@@excessivelyfangirlingbookw3339 Bernadette's voice is from her actress's mom. Melissa doesn't actually speak like that. According to her, her mom does though.

@@haotiankong6904 so she's imitating her? do you happen to know why?

What else do you expect when misogynistic men are writing women? 🤷‍♀️

in the world of the big bang theory, happiness can only be achieved by marriage and kids. its ironic that a show with characters outside the social norm end up confining to the social norm.

I thought it was pretty obvious in that episode that Bernadette was in the wrong, especially showing how she's annoyed and frustrated being a mother a looot.

you'd be surprised how many women want you other women to have kids just because they have kids. It's a " I had go through this so you need to too" thought process

@@lstarsabb Misery loves company, unfortunately.

Ikr, it's so messed up that she was made to feel bad for and comfort Howard when he'd been harassing her and making her uncomfortable with pervy remarks, it's so gross that she has to apologise and that Leonard, who's supposedly in love with her and would 'do anything' for her (but just wanted her for her looks and to sleep with her), is the one who tells her she should because he cares more about the robot competition than Penny being harassed. The whole treatment of Penny is so rooted in sexism as is the fan reaction to her and she was often treated appallingly by the writers and male leads and was shamed/judged for everything she did and even her so-called 'satisfying' moments were either unsatisfying and don't include a win for her and/or involve her doing everything for the men who insult and/or sexualise her and make her feel she 'owes' them. Howard's racism with how he treats Raj is awful too and his behaviour towards women is so predatory at certain points that it's illegal.

As it is. Really.

It’s a comedy played out for the sake of being stupid. If you don’t like it, don’t fukin watch it!

​@@heatherstephenson3559 he called Penny a 'shiksa' which is a very degrading, demeaning word

He can get away with it because hes Jewish

I'm so sorry you had to go through that

I graduated in Computer Science and can attest to the terrible things said about women.

Same, but with 3D computer animation class. Not all of the guys were bad, but a lot of them were a bit...weird, and not in a funny way.

@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 I’m also from an animation degree that was a generalist degree but it was mostly 3D and mostly men. ALL of my lecturers were men. All of them. Every class discussion I was constantly interrupted and spoken over by the overwhelming amount of men in my year so I just stopped talking. Then I got criticised on being silent. When I mentioned this I was told they would look into it and literally nothing happened 🙃 I was warned by female graduates of my degree to not work in the games industry or in the industry at all because we don’t have a union but mainly that the amount of toxic coworkers and misogyny was atrocious and that no one would protect me and if they did they expect ‘something’ in return. I’m actually deathly scared of people and apparently it’s fairly obvious because one graduate mentor I had said to me: “I don’t mean anything nasty by this but I literally took one look at you and knew instantly that the industry would eat you alive. Girl just freelance, you’ll hurt you and you won’t last a year.” So that was a nice wake-up call to get as a second year in university 🥲

@@BriarBeeBenson damn thats crazy wth honeslty its a big reason to why theres not alot of women trying in male dominated industries because of the constant mistreatment

I wish we could have seen that version of the show. It seemed like the female characters of the show just never got their own justification to disagree with anything, or about themselves from the perceptions of the male characters thrown upon them.

Unrelated but I see your "Chuck" user profile. The much, _much_ better show. 👀

Nobody likes a b**ch* character. It´s about enjoy a show and make money.

Nerdstalgic's only purpose is to parrot status quo opinions about pop culture

Despite being the only character that didnt have an awful relationship dynamic, ended up just kind of settling for nothing only to just support Howards goals. Even in the episode where it made her miserable, yet Howard was still allowed to pursue his with no problem and she supported him. There just always seemed to be this tone where she and Penny never had a choice not to or even say no for the moment.

Yeah, which episode were you referring to specifically, sorry? Yeah, it's kind of unfair and a shame that Bernadette ended up with not one but two kids so close together when she didn't even want kids and ended up feeling conflicted about going to work and then having projects taken from her and not having that much support or help from Howard (it's annoying that people act like she was wrong or selfish in the playhouse ep when she had a lot to deal with and Howard was doing just fine chilling in the hot tub and hadn't sacrificed his job or anything) as he didn't do anything round the house but he's the one that acted freaked out even though he wanted kids and he didn't really have to care for them that much or sacrifice anything as he got to still have his job, the band and cool opportunities like the planetarium and Will Wheaton show and was kinda selfish and ungrateful in the motorbike ep a she implied his family weren't enough for him.

​@@heatherstephenson3559 I don't know the episode exactly but there is the one where Howard goes into space to repair the space station again and she tells him that it made him sick and he hated it. It shown that she card for him but supported him anyway pursuing it again while she was left at home with their kids. The there is also that episode where Bernedette cries about Raj being abetter mother than her, or when she had to decide if she wanted to go back to work or be a mother for thekids, while Howard could do whatever he wanted. I know those are all real things women think about but, it seemed like as soon as she got married, she immediately had two kids and as the only one deciding these things she had to compromise for. As a mother. Ironically it gave Penny a better position to not have kids, because when Beredette had 2 kids, she pretty much couldn't do anything but just support Howards aspirations. We never even know what hers are because of how fast they just made her a mother because they never gave her any episodes where he would support something she wanted to do outside of being a mother, even when prior to it she was concerned by it even while she was also making more than him. Its an even greater case for Penny to not have kids, because she wouldn't want to do that nor could afford it. I just feel like it was one of those shows that, this idea really damaged the characters and themes when they forced these relationships and traditionalism on them at the last minute.

Yeah, I kinda get what you mean as while Howard had some moments with the kids, he never really took care of them that much or had to do much with/for them and got everyone else to do everything (like when Bernie was about to have Halley and with Halley's first birthday party). He also didn't have to make sacrifices and got to keep his job and opportunities and interests and while it's maybe realistic that typically Dads sacrifice less and aren't guilted whatever they do like many mothers are/have been but it's frustrating that he's the one who wanted kids and Bernie ended up having two despite not wanting kids and the fact that some people call Howard a great Dad just shows how low the bar is for Dads.

The risks of abortion are HUGE. Better have kids young.

"What the fuck"? Well, wasnt that the obvious irony tho?

Yeah I didn't get that bc it seemed like everything Bernadette hated about her percieved ideas of motherhood came into fruition so it was hard to see her actually enjoying it. Wasn't she even sad when she got pregnant the 2nd time?! Also I thought it was funny that Raj became their nanny when I thought her husband was supposed to be a stay at home dad like the original plan was.

@@Moonlight_Shad0w No I wouldn't call that irony. Irony would have been if she had a stay at home dad and then hated it and volunteered to switch places. What happened in the show was more of lies, manipulation and failing to hold up the original agreement.

I know a lot of parents like that . They'll talk about how difficult it is while simultaneously berating you for not wanting one .

@@jclyntoledoUm, they never showed any agreement for Howard to just be a stay at home Dad. In one of the episodes, it showed Howard and Bernie talking about the possibility of one of them staying home full time and Howard said he thought it should be hm. But then Bernadette said no and basically told him it should be her choice (i.e if she wanted to be the stay at home parent, she should get to). In the end, neither stayed home full time (apart from Bernie’s maternity leave period, which I dont think was all that long) and both still kept their jobs.

She looked so gorgeous with that haircut, I loved it! This show was about 50 years behind in its conception of gender roles

I would like a reboot where they did change some stuff, especally on how Penny is treated and really reconstruct the just awful relatonship paths most of the characters were on. I couldnt stand how forced Penny and Leonard were as a pairing despite it really not working in any natural way. Or the over adherence to conventional social expectations of either nerds or relationship expectations, and why they could never differ realistically. Like Penny just having guy friends, and not just being everyone's conquest goal, her not having children being accepted, her not being just seen as dumb or a loser. etc.

I don’t think a reboot would fix any of that. More so people just not being so okay with watching weird and inappropriate behavior as if it’s okay.

That pixie haircut was not very good on her and I like Kelly but she has a long neck it doesn't work right

They did which is how Howard evolved over time, well not the misogyny part, there was no misogyny in the show

To be fair that's what life is. Unexpected things happen.

​@Guatalmlanfoodlover2019 yeah but people are allowed to abort potential children if they don't want any, we shouldn't have to keep children just because

THIS

Naw...Sheldon was absolutely an asshole. I agree with the rest of your comment, though.

But these people are all these things, lol it’s uses the reality and is relatable which is why it soo popular there is no misogyny in it

@Freja Lindberg I honestly find Ted to be so much worse than Barney. The player trope that Barney is written as is one we can easily recognize and avoid in real life if we don't want to get involved with it. And Barney committed wholeheartedly twice when there WAS someone he was serious about. He accepted them as they were. Meanwhile the Teds of the world are insidious and everywhere. It never feels like his partners are actually partners, just women there to fill the role in his fantasy. It's dishonest and gross. And having a guy like that as an ex, I can tell you from experience it's damaging as hell on multiple levels. The mindsets of the two is the most obvious in their relationships with Robin: Barney wants her exactly how she is and respects her boundaries and desires while Ted ALWAYS superimposed his goals onto her.

I don't wanna talk about the misogenic behaiviour, because I just kinda consume the show as a light joke and yes, am a man soo... not as sensitive to this matter, which means I did not always see it, get it, understand the point of view... and so on. But when it comes to the "elitism" and the proudness on achievemets, I get it. I see it at the university all the time. I am not saying it is ok, but it is very common at my faculty. The sort of people that get to this level of education is kinda special, but both ways. I am always saying that the brain, same as all other parts of a human beeing has its limits. When you have genius level inteligence in Science, you most probably are not as good at sports, athletics and most of all at social interactions. Because of that most of the Ph.Ds got bullied at lower levels of school system, which is mentioned on the show many times. Because of that, their social ranking is close to zero and that lead to deprivations at youth. Other deprivations these geniuses get from their parents/teachers/themselves, so when these people grown up, you have group of elite level geniuses with messed up personality. Most of them are really low on their selfesteem, which they compensate with their level of education and achievements, which is really the only thing that they have/they have been told to matter. So when a person with lower level of inteligence, which also meen with higher level of social skill, comes to this group, they look at this person by their standarts, at least at first. That means that the first thing visible to them is the education. When we reverse it, if this genius gets to the group of let's say "normal people", they will see him as awkward, wierd and so on, because they see the social skill first. This series is about the elite geniuses male or female, which get this normal, but much better socialy skilled person in their ranks. You can see, that they get to her over time, that most of them kinda envy her social skills, which by the way leads to many jokes that I did not get were seen as over the top, but you can not expect these people to change their scale of values, which they have for ever. I have been on both sides. When I am with my football team (someone in US thinks that it should be called soccer, which is false). I am constantly mocked with my talking about things my peers do no understand, and also over my not good foot technique. They are my friends, but they see my diferences. Other thing is when I get somewhere with other history students and someone who doesn't walk thru the same pain as us comes with us. He/she/it would not understand most of the things we talk about, which is completely normal, but that person would be somehow overlooked. In just this particular case. So my point is, the braging about theit Ph.Ds is kinda all they could have. I am sorry about the lenght of the comment, I am kinda in the middle of studiing for my Bachelor exam and I needed a little of procrastination. I am also sorry if something with my english is bad, I am not native speaker. Have a nice day.

I would think not based on this and other great videos on BBT

I really wondered the same thing. An odd choice to allow her character to be so sympathetic. I'd expect with such obvious misogyny on display, that she would be written with some villainous qualities to justify the shit she is constantly given and her poor lot in life. But not really, she is kind of a great character despite the completely unselfaware mess the rest of the show is

@@klaratehcoolcat it's because misoginy doesn't need a justification, you can be the coolest most perfect girl of all time, and it will be never enough to stop misoginy.

@@akasakikawasaki1890 i think youre correct. but my point was, i think it's awfully generous to say the writers *intended* that message. When most of the other messages they focus on driving home are, like, "women have it too easy" and "women take advantage of men! It's sexism!"

Yah i mean she still ends really competent and , she should be allowed to be at leat agnowledged with sucess or respect for being that competent and resourceful and dealing with , like she should be a really strong multilayered female character that regardless is feminine. Burt isnt treated as such. And if that wasnt intnded the actess deserves even more credit.

Maybe not a running gag, but I think that would have been a good joke to have, especially in that episode where Howard and Raj are mocking Penny for being able to get food and not put out. If she had done it then, and those two begged her to stay, that would have been funny.

What do you realistically think would have happened to Penny if she would have not stuck around hanging around them she'd either been back in Nebraska with some dude was emotionally abusing her like she was at the beginning they were not bad for her

Yeah but she also could have said no 😅

​@@criskp6861 Why would she?

Simon Helberg also worked on that show. Whoa

TBBT aired before Dr. Horrible did but I get what you meant

@@HealthyObbsession I saw Dr. Horrible before TBBT so that's the order I approach them in lol

The fact that she was never even given a last name in the show until she married Leonard. And I'm Dr. Horrible there wasn't a last name for Penny either.

@@gensai93 tbf tho that was a really short movie and no one had a last name that was given.

Kaley is a sagittarius so all of this adds up astrologically (centaur imagery, ruling the hips, strong physique, traditionally “masculine” qualities) do you know if you have any sag in your chart?

I didn't know she was an equestrian but that makes sense, Kaley really doesn't seem intimidated by most things and just seemed very relaxed in every interview I've seen her in.

"like dating a dude" and yet it's also men who wrote "why can't a woman be more like a man" for My Fair Lady. Like women can never be good enough.

The only one who's ever made remarks about her being muscular manly with Sheldon as we can Sheldon is the one of the most feminine men ever on TV

This is quite a funny situation becuz when I did notice Penny's body, I thought she looked amazing and not at all like a man.

I think her last name was Teller. Penny Teller.

The STEM fields are so filled with misogyny. That's why I didn't bother to continue working in tech after the military. Sources: I have a cousin (not much older than me, four year older to be exact, dad's side) who holds a relatively high position at the NRC. Oh boy... she's 38, but because of our ethnicity (Puerto Rican), she looks much younger (she barely looks 27) and has a hard time being taken seriously (and this lady has an MS in Chem eng from U. MD). Second, I have *ANOTHER* cousin (mother's side) who's ten years *younger* who graduated from the Va Tech last year. Mech engineering, btw. Also having a hard time being taken seriously for the same reason: she looks *A LOT* like Aubrey Plaza, but she's a bit more extroverted and is pansexual. Yet people expect her to be all _weird_ and crap. This lady entered VT on a *BASKETBALL* scholarship first and foremost, since my uncle and godmother live and breath NBA (despite he was raised by a dairy rancher, is a Chem engineer also dabbled in basketball because his other brother played basketball on a semi-pro basis back in PR). Sorry for the tangent.

So you got crazier and conspiracy minded

Of course you didn't.. it's because you hadn't yet been trained to see it via nit picking and injecting ideological bias into your head. Our brain is designed to see patterns but also our brains require us to draw upon previous knowledge to construct our perceptions of reality. If you prime someone to see a thing, they will see it. Hell you can even force this sort of distortion via peer pressure as evidenced by the line experiment where subjects are shown 2 lines of differing lengths and asked to state weather or not the lines are the same or not. If you have a buncha people before you state the uneven lines are the same, only those who are low in agreeableness will "see" different lines, the others will either go along with the group or be unable to see the difference due to the priming effect of the group. The way critical theory is done is by posing leading questions in order to get someone to come to the realization that it is so. Literally, this is what the guys who developed critical theory stated. It's not a critical theory unless you already have a conclusion in mind that will direct inquiry.

Same! I related to Sheldon, my family thought it was just funny, as did kid me. Turns out I've been autistic this whole time lol

@@keylanoslokj1806 so you're an incel

YES! I was thinking the exact same thing!

a classic

Yes and they recently did a video about the “Harmless Peeping Tom” that talks about the hero always peaks trope.

@@MarieForest Frasier and Niles from Frasier creepy af

Oof yeah, pop cultures video made me look at big bang differently

That's a boss move lol. I love this

On that note did you know that the actress who plays Bernadette voices Harley Quinn in the Batman Video game. The irony

@@xylypotatohead3947 i did not but i Love love LOVE that fact thank you! :D

Wow its almost as If the actress wasnt the character, because actresses...you know...act.

Promising young woman did a great gob of putting the “nice guy/nerd” thing to bed.

This is true and they are some of the worst ever wolves in sheep's clothing. I know because when I was in high school those were the types I got to know and dated. They are sneaky and slick with it then pretend they would never have done whatever they did because they are such nice guys

@@Introvertsan I dated 1 like this too, snick little devil, always played be a angel in front of others, saying it was a joke, never admitted his wrongs. Nobody understood when I break up, but I found a better partner and I'm happier than ever.

Yes, was obviously, so creepy.

I agree but I can't stop looking at your profile pic and laughing holy shit

looks like he's saying "FHHLLUEGGHHmmmmpfff"

There is definitely a strong unconscious gender bias than I originally thought. I used to just hate 2 and a half men for how bad that show was.

Yup

Omg me too, that show made me so uncomfy. How do people find it funny?

What was this?

@@FacebookQueen are you asking when it got overturned? Also one state is thinking about making it legal to shoot someone if you find out if they just had an abortion.

@@hinata167 I was asking what the Roe v Wade situation is

@@FacebookQueen oh. It got overturned so in some states you'll go to jail if you get an abortion. Recently a 10 year old girl was raped and she had to go out of state for one.

Girl...have you been living under a rock or something 💀

Oh yeah exactly. For me they make Sheldon autistic codex but then when ask if he was autistic, they say "no he was not" so they can continue to make jokes about his autistic traits. Same when asked if he was asexual, they say no and then continue to make jokes about his lack of interest in sex and the weirdest if, even in his relationship with Amy, sex still looks like something he only does for her on special occasions, so they don't even use their relationships to say "see he is not asexual" and continue to make jokes targeting people who are not interested in sex.

Isn't my mother has me tested mocks Sheldon?

I like them as friends, but yeah they are great, like he really i think apreciates her skill to deal with him , like she would be a great nure honestly, she is stroong, hands on and has the peoples skills. And its probably hr most healthy relationship. Dunno her and raj could have been interesting.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought that. When the show started getting him with Amy, I was like, "huh, who dis b? Keep at it with Penny/Sheldon!" >:o

Males and females can be friends.. Doesn't always need to be romantical. Especially when they have no chemistry like that

@@TheSuperkeks888 you know, just because I like a ship doesn’t mean I don’t think men and women can de friends. It’s interested how this type of comments frequently occur when I ship someone with an autistic character.

@@FouEliane this has nothing to do with Sheldon being autistic or not autistic. I don't know about the other comments of yours but maybe the chemistry isn't there? Ever thought about that? I've seen autistic male characters and they had good chemistry with female characters... Don't make this about something else

Correct. The writting style of this show was alway to make the joke at the character's expense. It was very much punch down humor on everyone (no one was immune) and that was always the joke... and it lasted for 12 years, with some of the most consistently high ratings ever for a TV sitcom... so what does that say about our society...

I honestly felt absolutely awful for Stuart! He’s a fantastic artist, empathetic and owns his own business yet is completely alone due to having physical oddities, being socially awkward and also picking bad habits from his friends who treat him worse than a stray cat. It’s honestly awful. He barely eats, he’s sick and can’t afford to go to the doctor and constantly does things for his ‘friends’ only for them to treat him like less than garbage. The only character who treated him with a shred of human decency was Raj and I was so mad that Stuart and Raj just didn’t end up together since Stuart was a MUCH better friend than Howard ever was to Raj. But nooo! God forbid a sitcom have a gay couple ever and have it not be either lesbians where they’re just fetish eye candy for straight men and one is the ‘man’ and the other is the ‘woman’. Or have it just be an infinite supply of disgusting homophobic jokes. But even the TBBT couldn’t do that or else they would lose some of their white cishet homophobic male audience 🙄

This!

Crazy Ex Girlfriend has a married character who has an abortion because she doesn't want to be pregnant because her career is taking off, and her husband supports her decision.

It wouldn't even be a fetus, they fall into that name only towards the end of the first trimester. Literally just a clump of cells. My canon is that Penny aborted the fucked, left Leonard and became a director.

This whole entire paragraph is so tone deaf yet you claim to be for women...

You're the Worst had one the characters aborting her offspring against his husband's Will as a Main plotline in Season 2

One thing I'm confused about is if penny just finished high school how is she 21/early 20s?

This is new.

@@donotbotherpeopleontheinternet What do you mean?

@@tarvoc746 Nah. I meant this is a new perspective I got. Thanks.

@@donotbotherpeopleontheinternet Aaah, okay. Fair enough, glad I could help. 😄

Doesn't Penny want to be an actor? The arts are hardly a guaranteed paycheck. That's not the patriarchy that's just supply and demand. There are many more actors than high paying acting jobs. It's not like she has a Wharton MBA and a company passed her over for the owner's cousin.

And yet the guy has had 2 or 3 highly successful series. I'm not disagreeing with your statement about his writing, I also think he's got a lot of narcisistic tendencies, but apparently it's "what the people want" because they keep watching hiis shows. Not sure what that says about society as a whole.

@@olandir what it says about society is that most people are still hugely misogynistic lmao

@@olandir We live in a misogynistic society. That’s what that means. It’s not rocket science lol.

@@olandir Yeah, I remember reading how awful the show has gotten because Howard wasnt as misogynistic anymore. Like, "Its unrealistic for Howard to point out sexism!" Or how Howard isnt funny anymore. Even tho its quite normal for someone to become less sexist when they fall and love and/or get a daughter/son.

I think the flaw that finally made me look closer at the show was (along with a grwoing hatred of Sheldon) the treatment of Raj. Everyone finally got paired up except for Raj and the writers seemed to think it was funny to code him as being gay. The stereotpye of hte effiminate Asian man didnt sit well with me.

@@lkeke35 especially after they made him get back with Anu and not stay together because of external reasons. Also the not being able to talk to woman thing. Earlier on the show they found out it's psychological and I thought that he would solve the problem soon after the episode. But no seasons had to pass. Ridiculous

I saw it when i was a kid so i didn't understand that a lot of the stuff happening was creepy. I felt very sad a lot of the time watching it, but didn't know why and it eventually became so unpleasant that i stopped altogether

@@lkeke35 Agreed, as an Indian American dude, Raj offended me more than Apu ever did.

True. I watched BBT way late, like near the end of the series, by accident. It was just a nice place to leave the tv on as white noise as I did other stuff or turned my brain off the constant stress. To this day I can leave the tv on while it passes bc it still works as a nice white noise to do house chores, though I can't be bothered to watch the later seasons. Can say I never bothered to analyze the plot at all.

I disagree. I thought Bernie and Howard actually felt like a real couple, because Howard stopped his sexual conquests after got with Bernedette. They seemed like the only two characers who actually liked each other with full awareness of their habits. They both make efforts to comfort each other and they actually seem like they come to agreements together, they both enjoy their sex lives and However tries to show he's suportive despite his stress over his mother and his drawsto comedy. They we never seemed perfect or couple-sues but were earnest, like Homer and Marge Simpson. They were opposite of how awful Leonard and Penny were together. Amy and Sheldon on the other hand, to me was the 2nd most unhealthy. Amy just semed like she wanted something from Sheldon he wasn't realistically interested in and they got mocked for it all the time. She wanted sex more than he did a lot of the time but she was always let down and frustrated with him a lot in the show for the way he treated her outside of her friendship with him. Their relationship as it was always seemed like she was just babysitting him due to the higher standard dating him put on him. Though they do acknowledge what she wants is difficult for him, it just seemed like there wasnt much compromise to make her happy as a partner, even though she supported him as a friend. It was one of those relationshiships that did not have to happen. Sheldon was just too neuralogically different for her. He could live without romance and intimacy, becaue he is happier with his hobbies, but she wanted it due to how socially repressed she was. Those were just two different things that were a false similarity. She was always miserable with him. She had more chemistry with Leonard on both ends than she did with Sheldon and he did with Penny. They should have been together if they had to.

All men see sex as the goal. You don't understand shit right

@Luke Jameson Penny and Leonard always seemed forced on the show and between each other. Leonard always seemed to just have better chemistry with other women like Raj's sister and even Amy. Both of them just seemed like they thought they had to be together after it didn't work, instead of it just being accepted that they weren't comparable but were better friends.

Nah, Amy and Sheldon had the exact same problem the other couples had, in that any wanted more out of Sheldon that what Sheldon could give and kept forcing and pressuring him to give her the things she wanted

Honestly, even if its more like she sometimes acts as caretaker, her and sheldon have a way better relationship, as friends. He actually respects her. I think, not seen all show.

this could have been nice if they had a hyphenated name, or if he took hers....

The implications of this are soooooo fucked

Uh so? Didnt you pay atention of how his mother is...

Altough the Leonard arc was realistic. Healing means chosing how to deal with a problem and how to find inner peace. He cant change his childhood, but he can accept it and work through it, clean up the damage. This also means acceping your child-parent relationship. Forgiveness is pretty hard, so is apologizing. I thought it was nice to see how Leonard stood up for himself for once and confronted his mother, and his mother reflecting. explaining and apologizing, even tho we met her as a selfish, unemotional, never-in-the-wrong mother. Something I wish for my situation, altough I know this will never happen.

I kinda liked Zac. He was protrayed to be dumb, but he actually seemed very kind. Maybe it was just the actor who played him, but he was never mean to anyone he came in contact with, and was very genuine. He was kind of like the anti-Sheldon.

By season 4 she had already hooked up with 34 guys so I think she had quite a few pics I'd have been picking them wrong

@@olandir I still think Penny should have gone off with Bernadette’s hot ex.

HIMYF is much better. It's not 100% clear the main person will only date white people from the beginning and it''s an adult child not teenagers.

it's true, but hollywood greatly impacts the media people consume and the behaviours and ideology people embody because it's no secret people mimic fictional realties and stories depicted by the media so it's understandable that it would be used to shine light on common issues as they tend to feed into them. I'm not sure if what i said made sense its 2 am where i am but i hope it did.

@@maddyb7899 Sure. It just so often gets told the other way around--like it's the common people who are the most misogynist and racist and Hollywood is reflecting society. No. Hollywood is so much more entrenched and they are the ones largely spreading disease and then asking common people to take responsibility and live in less trusting society as a result.

Honestly you are on to something there. I there is a lot of hollow performative activism stuff in shows and movies. I think this is what some people lable as «too woke», not understanding how some conservatives use that term. Like they pick up on the fact that something isnt right, but are unable to verbalize precisely what it is. It kinda muddies the discourse unfortunately, as I think a lot of people would agree if we all understood what we are each trying to say to each other. Anyway this also means that Hollywood can get away with their performative activism by blaiming their audience for not being woke enough. It’s a mess. Point is Hollywood gets away with pretending they arent racist and sexist a lot because we atre too buisy fighting each other.

@@MissCaraMint Oh exactly! Which is why I think the single greatest message out there right now is that our enemy is NOT our neighbor or another middle class/lower class stiff who has far more in common with us than any celebrity or politician. No matter what other people think, they have a reason they came to it and we can gain so much more ground by understand why and how and being on the same team. Well, that and that all elections should be ranked choice voting:D

I still think Two and a Half men ws way worse, just blatantly for both women and how much it punched down on effeminite men and single dads.

Well, I think the show "Young Sheldon" gave Sheldon's date of birth as Feb. 26, 1980, making him about 6 to 8 years older than Penny. Probably Leonard's around the same age.

Girls do it as well... Why do you think twilight exists???

@@javierlopez9789 Twilight is shit and cringe but is no where near as an Incel fantasy

thank you so much

Nah, I dont think we were meant to view Penny as a bad person. Otherwise, she would have been less funny, less relatable, portrayed as undesirable, boring, etc. I personally liked her realistic portray of having traditional male and female qualities/skills/interests, as these stereotypes still persist very strongly in American society. Also how she changed from being an impulse shopper and being bad at handling her money, to a resposible woman who wants to pay her debt by staying in a job she doesnt love (the last part isnt that great, but its relatable which makes her relatable to the viewer as well)

Ahh… interesting, I made this comment when I was only a few minutes in, but around 10:30, the narrator comments that their relationship does not seem forced 🤔 Been so long since I’ve watched the show, maybe I’m misremembering, but idk 🤷‍♂️

Also… as a man who actively has zero interest in having children…. I’m deeply offended how often women are expected to have children, in real life and in TV

@@slowrunn3r88 Penny and Leonard's relationship is a atter of opinion and interpretation I guess. But I agree with your other comment that romance can't be forced. As a woman even I sorta pressure myself into dating the 'nice guy'. I've had a few occasions where a guy has asked me out and I wasn't really interested but I'd tell myself, "Oh but he says he likes you and calls you pretty. He seems like a nice guy and you want to be the nice girl so giving him a chance would be the nice thing to do! Even though you're not really interested, you can't be too picky. Be flattered you have 'a nice guy' interested at all!" Just leaves me feeling stressed by the situation and depressed before we even really date, like I already know my future will require settling if I follow the mentality that 'someone is better than no one'. This of course doesn't make for a good start between me and the guy. I don't know the secret to chemistry and romance, but simply being nice and available isn't it.

@@fangirl7914 right. And yeah, you really shouldn’t have to date the guy just because “he’s nice.” People also often tell me “you’re not perfect, y’know. If you don’t settle, you’ll be forever alone.” I can’t speak for others, but I feel a loooooot more lonely and depressed when I’m with someone I’m not happy with, than when I’m by myself Also, if you date a guy “because he’s nice,” when nothing is there, that’s not fair to him. And please note, I’m not saying this to attack you. I trust that on some level, you already knew this. *sigh* I just wish there was a way to find the perfect balance between “exciting/thrilling” and “kind and caring.” It often feels like you can only choose one or the other, but I refuse to settle for one simply because I can’t find “the balance.”

thank you so much, im glad you enjoy my work :)

In hands of competent writers it could be cute little story about fundamentaly defferent people figuring out they like each other and wanna make it work. But writers were folks who think "nerd say something nerdy" and "people being dicks to each other" is high of comedy.

@@petrfedor1851 exactly, they could have bothered with their female lead in general, have the nerds be less pitiful and mean spirited and have more who don't fit into either of these supposed polar opposites. What exactly made this woman equivalent to the school popular girl and what made these guys the textbook nerds? The dialogue sounds like they put in 'geek, nerd, dork etc' in urban dictionary and ripped off the results to fill silence.

thank you and thank you so much for your support :D

@@CheyenneLin my pleasure!:)

THANK YOU! I couldn't remember the season but I remembered the episode. No one else seems to recall they had a conversation that made it clear they both wanted kids "at some point" it was never about not wanting kids. Then it's like the writers completely forgot (as did the audience) and made this a conflict solely because they were running out of ideas. It's so unfair because in-universe of course it would be a shock to Leonard that she doesn't want kids if they already discussed it but everyone is acting like it didn't happen and it made me so mad!

@@olandir It was also brought up in the season 11 episode where the 2 of them are discussing what to write in a letter to Leonard's brother about what's going on in their lives. He says something about discussing buying a house or having kids. She says she wants all those things someday.