+Brice Nguessan I'm so glad u posted this, he's my 3rd best player after Jordan, Iverson .

same here,that magic team was something special

Me too

Totaly agree...penny is the basketball!!

He would of been a top 5 point guard of all time without injuries see not the best because of magic Johnson

Blake Griffin is that kind of player

+Blackenedification Im not saying he was the best, but I always thought penny had the most tools of any player ive ever seen.

Blackenedification you say during his prime but he never got to his prime

Yep...two things u forgot to add, he could finished with either hand & he was an underrated defender

10 seasons together they would of smashed every record in the books penny made shaq much better he wanted his big guy happy so he fed him.. Kobe not so much that was the issue. shaq had power should of brought penny to the Lakers or never left Orlando why he did that anyway? I know penny was hurt smg a dynasty that never was

Penny was also my MJ as 90's kid having that f*** being like mike, I wanna be like Penny attitude. I thought I was the only one

@@bryancurry5472 yea i wanted to be like penny or shaq to :)

@@leftdaboss l was so pissed and confused as a child at SHAQ leaving us. How do you leave your team?? We were in the FINALS!!! We were next up smh

U can say that again bro Penny was my MJ I was a kid but I still remember the Penny shoes my mom bought me I’ll never forget the color n star shape 💫

Hussle Crowe your exactly right

yeah, and i remember when he was retired and doing guest spots for games in 93 and early 94, they asked jordan who would be the best player in the nba in the 90s, shaq included, he always said penny. this team's nba story was crazy.

watch the highlights from Pippens celebrity charity game, They put Penny and MJ on the same team it was amazing

Hussle Crowe Remember when Jordan said that when he came back. 👍🏻

Don't forget MJ even said that if he were to pass his torch, it would've been passed to Penny Hardaway. Jordan even wore Penny's shoes during a game against the Magic. It was the only time he wore another player's shoes.

Good gesture

They would take 12 rings, more than Bill Russel got

Doubt it. Not because of your argument but because of Penny's knee woes and Shaq's insecure sense (a lot of that I feel stem from Shaq's questionable work ethic over the years) of not allowing any teammate (Penny and later Kobe) to out stage him. Shaq would rather leave the team than to be out staged.

...and ain' really hav a bench either...if their bench waz worf' a damn they mayB woulda beat hurston -- damn sho wouldn't hav got swep'

Horace left after Mike retired, just added to an already very good situation

Yes I remember that one 😂🤗

@Robert Phillips lol....they still, the lady team to beat MJ & the bulls in playoffs

That’s impressive in itself

Nick Anderson choked

@Aaron9 completely in shape played 20 regular season games theb playoff series putting up usual playoff numbers. He had no Rodman to stop Shaq.

i totally agree. he is far far less of a copy cat like kobe. while being rather skinny, his athleticism was superb ( in contrast to those who claims lebron's muscular body to be the benchmark of athleticism). he could jump high, pass way more creatively than lebron and kobe, had a pretty refined post game ( altough he didnt utilize it often due to shaq dominating the post, plus his shorten prime because of the injury). on top of that he is far less selfish as a player compared to kobe.

popeyeisgood I agreed with you up until you said his athleticism is comparable to LeBrons. No one is comparable to James athletically in the history of the NBA. Now skill wise Id give the edge to Penny. I definately agree in his prime he was better than Kobe.

Antony Taylor you dont have to agree with me. but athleticism is being interpreted in very silly ways nowadays. big muscle isnt the absolute indication how athletic a player is. ankle's strength, core body strength, fingers and palm, all these should have be counted into that too and lebron is definitely not the most athletic player in the history. i can go into lengthy details with you if you are willing to get to see my points as well. even with the traditional measurement of athleticism like speeds and quickness, he is not the best, not in his height, just for reference, a prime grant hill is quicker with his feet with a very similar or equal full court pt a to pt b speed. he was also obviously more acrobatic than leborn in the air.

popeyeisgood I don't see how anyone in there right mind would say LeBron isn't the epitome of athleticism. Its not just about the muscles , that's just a plus. The guy is 6'8 260 , he's as strong as an ox nd can move like the wind nd can defy gravity. On a fast break the man is like a run away train , no man in his right mind would get in his way nd on top of all that he has the skill set of a point guard. Tell me who else in the history of the NBA fits that description? I like to see myself as open minded so I'm all ears. Enlighten me

Antony Taylor a 220 pound dennis rodman shut down a 300+ pound shaq. This is basketball. We are not in the gym lifting weights and then competing in a power lifting match. Lebron barreling down the court in 2014 is not impressive in an era where the paint is empty and defense can't even breath on you. Is he a big strong guy, yes. Is he the epitome of athleticism in basketball. No. Not by far. He is still clumsy and his fundamentals lack in so many areas. I've watched Barkley barrel down the court just as fast. I've watched the Mailman bulldoze his way into the paint when the paint actually had players standing in it waiting for you. I've seen Darrly Dawkings slam it on everyone's head and smash backboards while he did it. I've watched a 200 pound Jordan dunk over more players than Lebron ever will. And he moved with more finesse and speed than Lebron ever has. I've watched a charismatic Magic finesse his way down the court and it felt like magic. Hence his name. I've watched A.I flow and breeze by players standing at just 6' tall. So don't sit here and say muscles and speed and strength is what makes him the most athletic like no one else has ever had that. This is basketball. This is not a bodybuilding contest. His muscles and height do not make him the most athletic basketball player ever just because.

As big of a Penny fan as I am I'd love to agree but when you have players like Stockton it's hard to argue his numbers

Celicagame13 The deciding number for me is height, 6'7 vs. 6'1. I just like a tall PG.

+TheSWFuniverse Ok so Penny was better than Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson, Steve Nash, Nate Archibald AND Jerry West? I think not.

+Coach Kidd Agreed, but he had the potential to be right there in the mix of the great NBA PG's. Without the injuries likely a top 5 pg all time just like Grant Hill would have been a top 5 SF of all time, no?

when penny was at his best, he had the passing skills of magic johnson to go with the scoring ability of michael jordan. had he stayed healthy, penny would've certainly been in the mix with those guys as one of the best pg's of all time

...Ben Simmons?

@@jbo_5357 can NOT score nowhere near as effectively as Penny

Yes bruh so many people say "Penny got hurt during his prime" he never reached his prime got hurt his 3rd year in the league and was never the same

still holds true! lol...dang 5 years

If Shaq stayed after MJ retired in 98, they would've definitely owned the East. And most likely, Penny wouldn't get injured from doing all by himself since Shaq is still with them.

most pt guards back then said mUggs was the hardest to advance the ball up court on

Embiid is actually my favorite big today, but shaq just controlled games more than any big has since. simmons i like too, but he can't pass and shoot like penny yet. hopefully in time, would be great for the philly fans :)

thank you

the magic only made penny a shooting guard because shaq left and they had no one who could create offense for themselves. remember that team and coach were bottom dwellers without shaq and penny. the penny story is sad. he should have stayed a point guard. magic johnson wouldn't have been in the debate for GOAT if they had moved him to shooting guard. I'm a laker fan, but still, I've done my homework on magic, I remember in the 90s the debate was magic or jordan as goat, even as jordan was retiring. then espn picked one and ran with it so everybody carries the same thought today. I don't think magic getting aids and playing less seasons helped him win that espn debate either >

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Shaq should've been patient and stayed in Orlando he could've had as many rings or maybe more.

Hell yea

maybe after MJ retirment only

I agree with all those, but would add Rondo, CP3, Stockton, Kidd and Jokić

No J. Kidd? Oscar Robinson, Isiah Thomas? Steve Nash?

Grant Hill without the injury

its in production bro ;)

u do beats bro

lol .... no they dont .... Bulls swept them in 96 hardly and made a 3 peat after .... maybe in 1999 if shaq not moved in LA but not before sorry .

I AGREE!The Magic would have had at least 5 Championships.

+wistiti93420 99? Shaq bounced from Orlando in 96. In fact it was the same day TWA Flight 800 fell from the sky. I still remember it like it was yesterday

i know .... i said if he wait 3 more years in Orlando

wistiti93420 gotcha

It is underselling a bit that the team was bad, and incorrect that Scott was the team's third best player (that would have been Nick Anderson). The lineup of Hardaway, O'Neal, Grant, Scott, and Anderson was really good at the time and one of the most versatile ones with players that could shoot the three well (Anderson, Scott), attack the basket and create their own shots (Hardaway, Anderson), be a threat from the mid range (Grant), and dominate inside (O'Neal). Similarly that lineup was no slouch on defense. The team always ranked high in blocks (O'Neal, Grant), steals (Hardaway, Anderson), and ironically had their worst defensive season of that era the year they made the finals. With that said I wholeheartedly agree with you on what I always considered to be the Magic's biggest Achilles heel: the bench. When you best player coming off the bench is Brian Shaw you have a problem, and the moment Anderson, Grant, Penny, Shaq, and Dennis came off the court the team had trouble sustaining leads or making much of an impact. Funnily enough that kept happening even into the McGrady/Hill era of the team (though credit to Doc Rivers for making something out of nothing in the '99-00 season and almost making it into the playoffs with a team consisting essentially of reserves).

Who knows. If Nick shoot the free throw, maybe they got a 95th title

Epic fale

True

one of Barkley is coming soon.