THE PENUEL SHOW WITH ZIMASA VABAZA 00:00 - INTRO 00:05 - Show begins 02:00 - Different forms of media 03:58 - Limiting censorship within media 07:03 - Neutral platforms for differing opinions 10:45 - Farm killings & propaganda 16:00 - Western propaganda & misinformation 19:00 - Naivety vs propaganda 23:50 - The cycles of power 26:47 - Understanding USA's global power 28:40 - USA's abuse of power 30:09 - Similarities between USA & Apartheid government 34:29 - Thoughts on BRICS summit 40:55 - Sanctions & alliances 47:36 - Limitation of information & knowledge 50:50 - Why do you want people to be informed? 58:30 - Money & inflation 1:00:28 - Fractional reserve banking 1:04:45 - Sharia law 1:06:25 - Debt & inflation 1:07:48 - Pay disparities between genders 1:11:25 - Similarities between bank interests & business mark-ups 1:12:58 - BRICS bank & currency 1:16:58 - What are bonds? 1:17:50 - De-Dollarisation 1:19:20 - What's your overall view of the BRICS summit? 1:21:15 - Herman Mashaba on BRICS 1:22:50 - Adopting ideologies from existing systems 1:25:57 - Building communities through enslavement 1:31:55 - Social welfare 1:35:20 - Are you willing to stand up for your community 1:37:58 - What's your rough estimate for one's exit plan? 1:41:35 - Penuel's thoughts 1:44:42 - China trip 2:01:15 - Promoting entrepreneurship 2:03:25 - China's "serve the people first" bias 2:04:45 - Shanghai 2:10:00 - Understanding value chains 2:11:52 - What made China, esp. Shanghai successful 2:14:05 - Shenzhen 2:17:23 - Naval Ravikant on Joe Rogan Experience 2:20:25 - Importance of communal building 2:25:00 - China's succession planning 2:26:25 - Closing comments 2:31:45 - ENDS Timestamps created by Khwezi Ndlovu.

This Dude is super smart, Pen let him be a regular on the show. He’s just a breath of fresh air 🙌🏾. Hopefully one day I’ll have him on my Podcast, one love guys

Damn, I feel guilty for watching this episode without paying 😭😭

Thirty minutes into Pen's show and Mooshtaffa is on a roller coaster ride with speed! He does so, without any 'uhms', 'aahs' and other fillers. This content is beyond dope! Kudos to you you Pen.

Zimasa is pulling a Penuel on Penuel and Penuel keeps losing his train of thought! Funny AF 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant conversation

This is probably the best episode the show has had.

I am also closely following the same things as Mooshtaffa. He is incredibly knowledgeable and always provides valuable information. I truly hope he succeeds in whichever path he chooses to pursue. We need individuals like him who can ignite genuine conversations that lead to progress, while also empowering others to think critically for themselves.

This is why I say Pen has the best podcast in SA . The calibre of guests is unmatched .

Such a brilliant conversation. I am a 54-year old South African Chinese (my grandparents came to SA from China sometime in the 1930s). But when growing up in SA in the 1970s and 1980s prior to 1994, we were uniquely placed to see both sides (black and white), and sample a bit of both existences, as much as that sounds weird. Probably South African Indians have the same kind of experience in their history. I grew up a huge fan of the US, even wanted to move there as a teenager to not deal with apartheid SA. However, as I grew into an adult, I came to see and hear of the other side of the story (other than that put forward by western and English-speaking media). That very slow awakening has been accelerated only in the last 10 years due to new platforms for hearing thoughts and opinions that I would never have been exposed to in the past like TikTok . Having now seen the world through eyes that are no longer captured by the western narrative, I cannot unsee or un-know what I now know due to conversations and people like these 2 gentlemen. The Matrix is unravelling as more and more people become aware of objective truth, and become connected to like-minded people to form the new communities of our collective future. P.S. Please follow through on making your trip to China together , you can be the spark of the South African Renaissance.

No one but ourselves can free our minds! This dialogue between you guys is golden.

Zimasa is so Xhosa, I like his vibe😂

The one thing I sbwl about this episode is I wish I could express myself like this. It’s so hard putting ideas into words and I’m sure it takes practice but wow and it’s not just them speaking English well but ideas into words

Zimasa is such a remarkable mind 🙌🏾. I watched the 1st episode twice, even went out to go look for his other videos 🙈

This show is hugely informative, empowering and an apt spur towards finding oneself and a jostling stick to build on what's already there. Thanks guys for being this open.

I must come forward and appreciate the knowledge that I acquire through listening to your podcast Mr Panuel, only to realize all I did was download but I didn't like nor comment, bro hats of you are such an inspiration and people like me that are interested not just in politics but in everyday life activities that through your podcast we learn alot, I must say you and brother Mooshtaffa are the goats of our time. As a Namibian I will say we are inspired and thank you once more.

Great discussion by two brilliant minds. Love it when you bring on Zimasa, the guy is a gem. Thanks Pen!!

JUST WOW. AS AN 18 YEAR OLD SOUTH AFRICAN I CAN TRULY SAY WE HAVE 2 OF THE MOST PASSIONATE PEOPLE ABOUT THE COUNTRY.CANNOT WAIT FOR THE SUMMIT LATER THIS YEAR!!!

Zimasa Mooshtaffa Vabaza is a gem❤one love from Thohoyandou

I love Zimasa! You are right Pen, he is a 98% so knowledgeable and articulate. I love listening to him.

Economics 101🔥🔥🔥Thank you Pen & Zimasa for such a rich and intriguing offering.

That's true - Investing in Urban Areas in 2023 such as Johannesburg, Pretoria, Durban and Cape Town is pure madness. Rural areas are the future of South Africa - these areas will outstand what is coming in SA.

Mooshtaffa makes a valid point about the Western media often manipulating narratives about Africa. While there are undoubtedly numerous issues occurring in America, such as a struggling economy under Biden's administration, it is crucial to have individuals like Carlson, Penuel, and MacG who utilize their platforms to provide us with authentic information. However, it's important to acknowledge that this progress may be a gradual process.

It doesn't get more educational than this 😊

When two critical thinkers and incredible minds meet, boy oh! boy, am parking whatever am doing.. Thank you Pen.

Beautiful conversations I'm a 90's baby and we used to buy books to get information,but now we just need data. Give thanks bafwethu.

Top notch conversation, That guest has a healthy brain 🧠 Talk about systems of thought.

It very true Vabaza is knowledgeable 👌🏿💚... Thanks for bringing the guy back💯

A Penuelist would Kno That we are having this guy for the SECOND TIME NOW

One of the best conversations I've heard on the internet

Arguably the best EPISODE of the show.💯

I need ppl to help me transcribe my episodes into French, Swahili and Portuguese. And then dub them. We need to scale the education. Then add Spanish and Mandarin.

Yoh this Zimasa dude has a brilliant mind...and I love how he manages to keep his trail of thought even when Pen chips in. Epic episode guy 🙇🏽‍♂🙇🏽‍♂🙇🏽‍♂

Shout to this platform long may the education continue, we are richer for it. We are not paying enough for this education

Exchanges like this are so fascinating. The exchange of ideas in real time sheds a whole lot of insights on what is actually going on when we debate each other. The segment about women in the workforce was fascinating to watch because you guys spoke past each other about the same thing. I used to wish to be more articulate but now I wish for being better at listening and understanding what other people say. Good one gents!

Great conversation. With time, with such as Luyanda Jafta, Zimasa and Penuel, please invite and audiance have 30+ mins of questions and answers sessions.

Yhooo Mooshtaffa is super smart. Id listen to him all the time. You are always challenging me, i love these thought provoking conversation. Pen, you are brilliant. thanks bro for bringing us this quality conversations.

This is the kind of conversations we need as a country, not people who are stuck in some old age ideologies from dead politicians,shout out to black pen for a dope interview as always

Dear Zimasa, Vibes Mjita!!!!! I love it.

This guy is hella smart....nah Penuel you sitting with 10% just for recognizing him and acknowledging him 😅😅😅...I learnt so much listening I think you should the notes because I am....but thank you Penuel 😊 I appreciate this channel so much❤

We need a pt.3 Zimasa should come back again ✊🏿🔥

Spring cleaning with headsets on listening to this while high af and this conversation is blowing my mind.

Great convo gents as always 👏🏽👏🏽🙏 I’d like to be one of the 200 people summit discussing serious matters with other smart people.

I can't wait for the 200 progressive people Summit, Much respect to you guys you're actually giving hope to Us.

Listening to Zimasa I realise my algorithm is suggesting informative content. Theres so much propaganda from America and a lot of us who grew up consuming so much of their content are beginning to break free.

Another productive, thought provoking conversation. Thank you Penuel 🙏

Beautiful multi faceted conversation gents!! Let’s go to Shanghai. I learnt a lot and will go and research some of the things that you discussed. I look forward to the 200 people summit. Upwards!!

Yoh! 🙆‍♂️🤔🤔🤔 Thank you, thank you, thank you guys. 🙌

Ekse magenge... I need all our braai conversations to flow on this wavelength !! danko!

Thank you, that is why Nigeria 🇳🇬 was blocked from joining.

I wish 2be counted into people who will go in Shanghai, spent more than 2 hours listening 2u guys this conversation has blown my mind

Am up midnight listening to the best informal but, way more educational with lots of fruity knowledge to rip..

I'm excited about this episode... Please organize and the meeting between us people who want to change the world. Exciting!

We need more sit downs, "the debates or whatever"; Pen's words.

Take Taxi owners to China and let them be ambassadors when they come back! Brilliant Penuel, brilliant🙏🏿

This is heat!!!!

Mr zimasa is one guy i really hope to hear more of him he is very knowledgeable & interligent i hope you guys can have something more like this or he should have his own show too really like the guy thanks to you as always mr Pen great show

Ray Dalio - Principles Ray Dalio - How the Economic Machine Works

Please bring our brother Zimasa and discuss the occurrence of coups in West Africa. I want to know what its impact in the African economy and what good can come out of these coups for Africa.

Fantastic guy ...Thank you

On the "senile point", I once read a book by Paulo Coelho called Veronika Decides To Die and there's line there where he says "sanity is collective insanity" and I say that to say, it's okay to seek out things outside the "norm". It's okay to have a different opinion because this goes to show that you are a free-thinker and essentially a leader that doesn't just take what's been given.

Great conversation gents I'm happy that's young people having these conversations.

Zimasa is so smart ngase ndimmamele oko🙌

Please make him a regular on this show. Atleast once a month. Such dope content! Well done Penuel.

Yep, pretty much true about how African people are relatively the same across the continent. Love how he meet his relatives in Zim who are Xhosa, from the same clan and the customs are the same. I am a Motlhaping(Tswana) and went to Namibia, and by chance meet some Lozi people. Who as I understand are mainly found in north eastern Namibia and western Zambia and maybe in small amounts in Zim, Botswana and eastern Angola. Well basically the Lozi speak a language very similar to Setswana and other Sotho languages. It actually sounds like a weird combination of rural Sesotho and rural Setswana(the Selthaping version) with all the 'R's replaced with 'L' sounds. I speak my Setswana and they speak siLozi and we can understand each other.

Am in on whatever you both decide am in. One of the best podcast ever. Congrats Guys. From Angola

I like this Zimasa guy, he seems practical and ethical too.

Amazing conversation, it definitely gave me a wake up call to become the person who wants to make a bigger impact than just in my life, don't know whether to call it a calling or what. But these conversations always stretch the mind and i love them. Patiently waiting for that summit.

I come from a small town Witbank(Emalahleni) in Mpumalanga the re some many mines, eskom power stations, service delivery is below sub par but my many are starving, no jobs but tendrrprenuers are running everything to yhe ground 😢...too many problems and less solutions

Wow u never disappoint,, informative conversation 👏 👌

Another Happy Monday to you all. Would love to hear your thoughts about Mangosuthu Buthelezi. And your thoughts on BRICS. Let's create value, and extract value... enjoy the episode 🔥🔥🔥

Great interview gents! took me a few days but well worth, already planning my trip to Shanghai

PLEASE HOST THIS SUMMIT ASAP WE NO LONGER HAVE FUNCTIONING PUBLIC LIBRARIES IN SOWETO!!, THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM

This was dope, refreshing to hear someone who is solutions orientated. Danko!! FYI I would like to come to this summit of young people, I am in IT but studied Geography and GIS and think I can contribute my knowledge of spatial planning.

great interview, Mooshtaffa has a lot of info to impart, wish Penuel could let him finish his sentences a bit more.

This chat piqued my interest in visiting China. Thank you very much, gentlemen.🙏

Crazy thought, imagine if the taxi industry opened a mutual bank and all taxis banked with that bank, financed vehicles, made their own tires, engine parts etc

Thank you for an informative discussion that you had I loved it.

"We need a commission of enquiry to see if this thing work"😅🤞

Aaaaa bafethu! I love this platform so much. Thank you guys.

wow thank you for sitting down Gents and having this talk the broeder bond is most needed , the thoughts and space you have created in this conversation will birth an incredible change in this country I would love to be a part of that top 200 people who want to change this country, im in awe of this episode

Had the same idea about how we integrate people from rural areas in our retail shops, petrol attendants, taxi driver for minibuses uber, bolt etc with the agreement to upskill them

WiFi iyahlupha ngzoyibuka later .Very interesting

What an intriguing and very informative conversation. Thank you Penuel and Zimasa

Great conversation. Thanks again Mr. for the great content.

Yoh yoh yoh ,went in straight for 2 hours full no pause , top interview ...love it too bits

This dude is the real deal. So informative and educative. Not South Africa but ive leart a lot.. bravo.. and he sounds so grounded and confident on who he's.

Thank you gents... I'm now interested to visit a foreign country 🤔

Strong conversation from both of you!! Could relate to the views shared, and also learned some valuable key points 💯.

You guys (all of you on this and other channels and platforms) are doing great work. I am a fan and follower of your works and conversations. My critic is that no amount of dialogue is going to change things. The only people that have any impact are those that are in the team, weather management, or coaching staff or players to use a sports analogy. The fans can make noise and even get the coach fired sometimes but they can't win the league. So I would implore the leaders and followers of these channels that whilst the conversations are being held here and elsewhere, let us also have on the ground agencies that are intentional in purpose. Otherwise, it's all just hot air. Once we start organizing and building, that's when we will see meaningful change and progress.

i ve been waiting pen .thank you !!!! i admire you both and wanted this conversation so badly ..

This is a top notch conversation thank you moostafa

More power to you gentlemen! This was an on point and eye opening conversation.

Great minds, you guys are educating and the content is actually beyond formal Education.

Brilliant. I am enthused.

This is a very special platform, we appreciate you brothers

Great episode... I appreciate this gent Zimasa Mooshtaffa Vabaza. He's a cool gent, also helped me out with my golf stance at the range. Keep up the great work Pen. 🙌

These are just two informed friends having a conversation and we are just flies on the wall, that how you must enjoy the show, don't take it as an interview, I love it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I just love how Zimasa breaks things down, just the flow and the tone of each and every topic he story tells!!! Thank you for introducing him to us.

That Bromance in the beginning gents🥺🥺🥺🥺. keep up the good work guys. what a thought-provoking discussion

Great episode, very informative.