Thanks and yes I agree

it is, 99% of the time..join a 4x4 club,,with trainers, registered, dtu.. anyone, going ''bush'', camping, should do a 1 month course,,so they dont fkn die..u.s vids are a lot more informative,,seeing everything we have,,comes from there,,eventually..

I’ve often thought I’d enjoy that type of work. Well except the 2am mid winter call out. That would suck.

@@MadMatt4WD PLUS. if we had real,,4x4 laws here not these lame bs cant do anything to your vehicle,, MORE PEOPLE WOULDNT DIE.. ROLL OVER, GET BOGGED. BREAK SHT..

@@MadMatt4WD a ''metric ton'', strap,,has a rated breaking strain 4 times the work limit.. so, a 1.5t strap is good for a 5t vehicle,,max..eh..as to using the ''kenetic '' straps,, allways use them, as its less damage strain on the vehicle.. no one uses static straps.. unless winching.. that b/bar,, that ''come off'',, who,,fitted it, the dumb driver.?.if not,,id be suing arb..

@@MadMatt4WD 5mph..is not,,enough energy for a recovery.. do some home work..

@@MadMatt4WD you FAILED to mention,,the camera man, should of been at least 3 times the distance from the recovery that the rope length is.. try again..he is now dead, .plus, no one ever mentions the tow hitch pin shear force..just the ''rated'', shackles.. &, the transport tie downs,,are not rated. you need dedicated recovery points.

Absolutely!

Thanks mate. I also think back to my mistakes and what I got away with. We all have to learn at some point.

@@MadMatt4WD Very true mate and videos like this help people to realise their mistakes.

Glad it was helpful!

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks, will do!

Glad you enjoyed it

Glad it was helpful!

It sure is! And thanks

My Pleasure

I’m no mathematician but I’ve been told that’s the formula.

If you say so... 😉

@@MadMatt4WD Just take a look at a 3000kg car moving at only 8kmh and using chains. It's over 300 Tonnes ! A chassis Rail can only take 24 Tonnes and a tow ball fails at 12 Tonnes. So even at 8KMH something HAS TO FAIL. To calculate the force exerted and the equivalent mass (in kg) when the energy of a 3000 kg mass traveling at 8 km/hr is dissipated in 0.1 seconds, we can use the equation: Force (F) = Change in Momentum / Time The initial momentum of the mass is given by: Initial Momentum (P_initial) = mass * initial velocity where the mass is 3000 kg and the initial velocity is 8 km/hr. Converting the initial velocity to m/s: Initial Velocity (v_initial) = 8 km/hr * (1000 m/km) / (3600 s/hr) = 2.22 m/s (rounded to two decimal places) Initial Momentum (P_initial) = 3000 kg * 2.22 m/s = 6660 kg·m/s Since the mass comes to rest, the final momentum (P_final) is zero. Change in Momentum (ΔP) = P_final - P_initial = 0 - 6660 kg·m/s = -6660 kg·m/s Now, we can calculate the force exerted: Force (F) = Change in Momentum / Time = -6660 kg·m/s / 0.1 s = -66600 N The negative sign indicates that the force is in the opposite direction to the initial motion. To calculate the equivalent mass, we can use Newton's second law of motion: Force (F) = mass * acceleration Rearranging the equation, we have: mass = Force / acceleration We know the force (-66600 N) and the acceleration can be calculated using: acceleration = Change in Velocity / Time The change in velocity (Δv) can be calculated by converting the initial velocity to meters per second (m/s) and subtracting it from zero. Initial Velocity (v_initial) = 2.22 m/s (as calculated earlier) Change in Velocity (Δv) = 0 m/s - 2.22 m/s = -2.22 m/s Finally, we can calculate the equivalent mass: mass = Force / acceleration = -66600 N / (-2.22 m/s / 0.1 s) = 300000 kg Therefore, the force exerted is -66600 Newtons, and the equivalent mass is 300,000 kg. The negative sign indicates the direction of the force opposing the initial motion.

I can’t imagine how discouraging it must be for you seeing the same ignorance again and again.

@@MadMatt4WD I don’t let it bother me. It was pretty surprising to begin with but I don’t worry about it anymore. People that don’t listen I won’t tell but people that ask I try to teach. Especially teenagers who just started driving

Well done and thank you for doing what you can.

Thanks mate. I’m glad it’s helpful

Thanks! Will do!

@@MadMatt4WD Your educational videos are very informative.

Our pleasure!

Thanks mate. I’m glad I can help. Make sure the kids grow up camping ay.

I'll do my best too thank you

Glad you enjoyed it

My pleasure!

Thanks kindly

he wasnt 100% correct..

I appreciate that

I’m glad I could help

Thank you. Yes you’re correct re: winching vs Kinetic recovery. I expand on the more in this video - AVOID making some BIG MISTAKES during a 4x4 recovery! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNF6dcR8urS0p3k.html

Thanks. For a strap you loose about 10% stretch when wet. I’m not sure for the rope.

By following these principles you have a good chance Of all being safe.

Thanks mate

That would be cool!

Very true!

No problem!

40 yrs ago,,no one knew sht about 4x4ing, & nothing was available.. thank the u.s. for all this gear we now have. inc. suspension kits.. u.s. vids,, more informative than this garb.. sounds like he,s talking to a 4 yr old..

Great point!

Well done mate. You taught them that day.

Wow. It happens all to often.

Thanks kindly for this comment. And thank you for doing your bit to keep safe. We all have to learn and grow in our skills.

Certainly keeping our gear in good order is important.

I think it’s an excellent idea. I had to be careful to not unlock too many other points on kinetic recovery in this video.

Well done. Snow and ice recoveries are new to me.

Ok never heard of those.

Some people know they’ll never do a kinetic recovery maybe. Some people like to have all the gear.

@@MadMatt4WD Yes, I see. OK, marbles not missing at this end...:)

This is covered in many of my other videos. Watch the recovery playlist.

That’s a call to be made with due consideration.

I’m not sure what you mean?

I’ve heard of that method although I’ve never seen it done. I won’t be trying it either.

@@MadMatt4WD It worked in a pinch, especially with a larger stuck truck being recovered by a smaller truck.

There’s many reasons the main one is they don’t do anything worthwhile with recovery ropes.

Matt and I have done content together and discussed some of this personally.

I can well imagine. But that’s effectively a tow recovery which would be perfect.

Thanks. So long as people end up with respect for recoveries that’s the what my goal is.

To work out the strap you need to go. Two to three times the weight of the lightest vehicle. So for a 6000lb vehicle you need a strap rated between 12000-18000lbs.

@MadMatt4WD thank you for clarifying I really appreciate it!!

There’s so much more to teach on recovery than I can cover in this video. Yes there is a formula for calculating the recovery load.

Yeah it’s happening way to often unfortunately.

join a registered 4x4 club with trainers.. we do the strap fail, goes thru corragated iron & the tree.. hundreds,,have died .not 2.. u.s. vids more informative..

@@harrywalker968 I couldn't agree more about joining clubs and or getting training.

You are right that a winch recovery is usually the most controlled and therefore safe option when it's available, but that wasn't the topic of this video. This was a video about tow recovery versus kinetic recovery. I would wager most of the people trying to do a kinetic recovery with a static strap or a chain probably don't have a winch in the first place, so that's a moot point.

The challenge of this video was not opening all those other important doors. There’s lots to be said on all the points you raised. I agree re the winch.

Thanks Jonathan. Great comment

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I agree with all comments here and a good question. Let's say on slippery clay in western new south wales a recovery was to be performed, there may not be a tree or anchor more a few km The bogged vehicle will always drag the winching vehicle towards this. Therefore a tow or Connectic recovery is really the only option. Matt showed the correct way here of assessing what's available and how to use the equipment, eg slowly increasing in energy not go flat out first. Hope this helps happy wheeling.

Yikes

I agree when it comes to straps but I need to find out about it with ropes. Because they are designed as mooring ropes and don’t get a rest in that environment.

Same for the Australian military I believe.