Update - After some analysis I decided to make a shielded mu metal variant which (in theory) could isolate the magnetic fields. I think this is what the original version is based on. I plan on building this variant in the next couple of months.

You can get longer lasting spin with no magnets and a flywheel. Permanent magnetic cannot be used to make a motor by themselves, since a unipolar magnet cannot be created, electrical fields are typically used to create a mono-pole moment (even though an electromagnet is still a dipole.

I had an idea like this in 8th grade but I couldn't find a way to adequately shield the magnets so the only part pushing on the magnets in the wheel would be the part that repels them. You always end up with the magnets pushing both ways and only adding a small amount of thrust. So they always come to a stop after a few minutes.

Thank you for your honest video tutorials. I loved magnetism. Watching with full support from Canada 🇨🇦.

Great job. And thanks for your honesty, not like the others KZfaqrs fooling people.

You could also make the bearing that the wheel rests on to opposing magnets so that would reduce friction.

Nice setup! I think, with some changes, this really could work, but I have to test it myself first.😉

Ya, I fell into this hole too for a while. I bought a bunch of my own magnets and fiddled with them. I slowly learned that this will never work for a simple reason. A magnetic field isn't energy, it's a force. Seems silly, but it made things make sense in my mind. Energy is a transfer, a change in state. Magnetic fields are a constant force, unchanging. Even an electromagnet. Sure it can change, but not by itself. The current needs to change, which causes the change in the field. That's why, if you hold a magnet still near a wire, nothing will happen in the wire. It is exerting a force on the wire and it likely has an altered state due to the forces of the magnetic field, yet that state will be constant as long as the magnetic field stays constant. A magnetic field is basically a handle. You move the magnet, it changes the state of the handle, which changes the state of whatever it's attached to. Don't move the magnet, nothing changes. On these magnetic wheels, the opposing forces are constant, like you said. Energy, change, will always need to be added to the system to drive the wheel. It's a really fun project to play with and a good way to learn about how magnets work.

How about if you make each magnet in their respective hole rotate freely. You may also need to change the placement of each magnet to minimize the tugging or stalling effects of the current configurations. In other words, in the new configuration, at any time or location, each magnet is either pushed or pulled in the same direction. There is no free energy that can be extracted from this type system. However, it can do some simple work within the limitations of the magnetic energy stored in the magnets. You may also add some coils in the feedback path to compensate the rotor slip caused by applied load.

So the main energy losses I can think of in the design are air resistance, bearing resistance and Eddy currents within the magnets, reducing these losses will let it spin for longer, although reducing these losses is also a challenge industries have dumped billions of dollars into optimizing

Have you tried removing every other magnet to see if the interference would be reduced or eliminated?

Maybe its more ok to spin it in vacuum case to eliminate air resistance. love your idea bo.

Love your dedication, if you can make energy next to nothing it is a good start and magnets could help as a lubricant and be one component of a bunch. I'm new, don't critique to hard.

Cześć, Czy myślałeś o tym, żeby na przykład wyizolować magnetycznie pola interferujące? Druga opcja jaką rozważam to dwa lub trzy rotory. pozdrawiam Cię serdecznie, mam nadzieję, że nie będziemy musieli stworzyć magnesów jednobiegunowych.

I have a thought have you tried using a cam on your shaft with a leaver that pushes a are out from the spinning magnets. Or a leaver that would push up a small piece of lead plate in between the magnets to block the magnetic filds

All of the "functioning" Perendev motors that I have seen functioning have three sets of rotor/stators that are slightly offset so that one is in neutral while one is pushing and one is pulling..The angles of the magnets are supposed to allow more push than pull, creating continuous rotation. I'd love to see you do an experiment with this. Thanks and good luck.

My dad made a small one of these, totally different magnet placements, and the ones on the outside rings were on springs inside their sockets. he had smaller magnets between the larger ones on the inside disk that pushed opposite way and they were all spaced further apart. his, he put on the shaft of a dvd burner motor and connected it to a battery charger for AAA's and C's and then to a lamp. he got it to power the lamp while charging the batteries after cranking it by hand for a few to get it going.

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hello, nice project! why don't you try to make the fixed magnets turn in a chained way to the wheel? like a crankshaft system connected to the camshaft, only in your case the wheel through a gear wheel rotates some external magnets in so that they continue to create thrust and move all together

According to Both GPT and Gemini if you were to use a superconductor for the outer magnets it will actually work (especially if you use magnetic bearings so there's no friction on the rotation). Of course today that also requires a lot more power to keep it cool as we don't have a room temp superconductor (yet) And the other thing would be to space the magnets out enough that it works more like a fly-wheel, so you would have more magnets on the outside frame than inner disk. And of course would have to run it in a vacuum to mitigate other forms of energy loss. So the concept would basically depend on 3 key things: 1. Gravity pulling a fly-wheel around. 2. Zero drag superconductors to "repel" the fly-wheel back up to the tipping point again where gravity will take over.. kind of like a roller-coaster I suppose. 3. Outer frame magnets sliding in and out of position to increase repel. Momentum will help improve efficiency further.. And it seems we're not breaking any laws of physics as we aren't creating energy or destroying it etc. it's just transforming. Anyway it's a fun thing to think about but totally based on fiction right now since we are missing a very important ingredient lol I'm also still a little sceptical on the physics of this as in my own experiments from years ago, I realised there's a very close relationship between the voltage needed to electromagnetically repel something, and the power it will generate as gravity pulls it back down toward the earth...

Great and honest - as opposed to so many others cheating... Thanks!

Try having the outer edge of the inner disk as a cog and the outer disk magnets on springs, As the inner disk spins the cog pushes the outer magnet away and then the spring returns it. My guess however is that the force needed to pushing away will be more than the rotational force induced by the magnets, but its worth a go.

Great project. What if the outer magnets were on arms that were pushed away by cams our gears when the center wheel spins. In the same manner you pushed and pulled a magnet away to show how resistance prevented it from spinning continuously. Perhaps if timed properly there may be a better result.

wow so cool man! I have a suggestion, I know its a bit complex but what if the outer magnets can be adjusted in angle? perhaps there is a sweet spot? also get some magnetic viewing film so you can see what's going on.

perhaps putting the gate magnet on a rocker arm driven by a cam on the motors shaft or maybe an electromagnet powered by a capacitor being charged by a stator?

second la of thermodynamics explains behavior in CLOSED SYSTEMS. A Symmetric OPEN system in my opinion can leverage a dynamic magnetic field in the magnetic gate the "sticky point"

I thought of this magnetic motor design myself.But I have no shop or tools Thank you for making This as it was just stuck in my head for the last 16 years. Comment made by.🎉 Pendragon, mystery school.

I wonder if reducing the outer magnets #, say maybe 4 total and having the inner magnets on a rachet gear type of system where they only get pushed out into the magnetic field of the outer magnets at the right time would work. I think you might have to offset the timing so one magnet at near maximum force is overcoming the next magnet that's ramping up friction losses. So 4 outer magnets, maybe 5 inner on the rachet? Idk still fun to think about though.

Did you make modelling it in magnetic analyzing software cad? Before that time wast?

you can also overcome sticky point in vgate designs with liquid cooled superconductor, i have heard from an inventor that he has tried it successfully using liquid cooled superconductor in the dead spot of an vgate design

I would consider running horizontally, so that gravity is only effecting friction in the presumed bearings.

What will happen if you consider the resonant frequency of the magnets and increase the speed to that level?

You could put a arm offset a bit out from the middle and it would pull that other magnet back and forth as it went around ...

Love ya work dude 😎

Make individual magnetic circuits to guide the repulsive side of the magnets away from the next approaching rotor magnet. Think of it like a transformer core and how it works. It completes a magnetic circuit and the magnetic field at a positive value away from the core surface becomes extremely weak. Just something to think about.

I wish I had a 3D printer, make one more in the same disc shape using the V-gate pattern wrap around.

If you add a pulley and belt you could hook it to a small generator or alternator and battery that would be the power source to run a bigger generator.

Always love these science gadgets, would it work like a fan?

I think that a concept along these lines has potential for generating a small amount of power with minimal maintenance by the user. But it’s maddening how every video of one in action always features a cut just before the rotation gets going and it’s suddenly spinning at high speed and there’s a subtle whine that sounds suspiciously like an attached motor.

If you listen you can hear it slowing down. If you watch it the pattern it initially makes changes as it is slowing down to a stop

Can you use two wheels geared together for a continuous magnetic repelling effect?

The magnetic field exists in an Inertial frame of reference, it is the force that pulls-straight inwardly into infinity, having no angular acceleration and no angular de-acceleration. When we think in terms of adding energy to a spinning wheel, it's all about the force that pushes & bends and or the boundary producer. Perpetual motion can only exist in a inertial frame of reference being with respect to our size & time domain. Only the plugging force, (angular acceleration) keeps us from being sucked inwardly into infinity... Hence the term, boundary remover! Cool video, your work is greatly appreciated, thank you. 🙂

I built one in 2002. The energy loss to make the magnets is not made up by the machine because gauss in the magnets is lost in use. The magnets are basically a battery in this case...

respect ! Do you send postage to Germany?

Years back I saw this machine just like yours BUT it stood about 9 feet tall and the shaft was easily 4 inches in diameter. it required power to close the top and as it was closing you could see the shaft begin to spin until it was fully closed. I recorded that video to a hard drive which is now GONE? (the video not the hard drive)

That original motor had springs at the inner side from the magnets, they dont been complete static. It also had 3 wheels, where it seems, that the 2 other helped to overcome the sticky point. But there been to less informations about the device itself to reproduce it.

Could you use vibration to levitate the spinning wheel to remove friction

Brilliant... idea... Good... Keep it up... There is still scope for further R & D.

I had this very Idea when I was a kid. Glad someone built it 👁️👃👁️🙏

Please check the magnetmotor shown by Muammer Yildiz in 2014 at the university of Delft in the Netherlands. The video can easily be found on KZfaq.

it would help if you used prime numbers for the inner and out side magnets so that they an never be in-phase

The problem ive always had with magnets, were the magnets themselves. The field needs to be warped so the field can be controlled into a direction. I havent had a chance to try it, but ive been thinking since copper and aluminum can change the magnetic field, is using some sort of tube to narrow the magnetic field.

this would work if the magnets on the outside were electromagnets as you could then control when they are active and when they are not kinda like a rail gun or particle accelerator and it would still be able to output more energy than you input as you only need them to activate for less than a fraction of a second although this would be happening constantly

It's hilarious how 90% of the comments are people telling OP what changes need to be made in order to get this impossible machine to run.

i would perhaps use magnets facing up and the wheel part magnets facing opposite sides of it

If you are done with this project, I'll buy the magnets from you! Didn't realize how expensive they were when ordering a kit lol :)

Try a spiral of similarly oriented magnets in the rotor with a full flat north and a full flat south on the there side of the rotor, because the locking of the north and south poles actually rotates at all times maybe the magnets oriented inward torward the center of the rotor will just get caught in the north south vortex and then rotate more like a tesla turbine than a pushing device, more like magnetic friction.

Drill a hole through those outside magnets and mount them so they can rotate! If done correctly you should be able to bipass the magnetic field of the next magnet in the series.

Getting free energy from magnets is like trying to get free energy from rubber bouncy balls.

Would be interesting to see that running with an IR camera.

Why do people keep trying to create a perpetuum mobile? It's literally impossible. Newtonian laws forbid it some run longer then others but without adding additional power it will come to a halt at some point.

I seen one of these that a young man built and it kind of worked. But was finicky. It really couldn't drive a load and I think it used three sets of magnets instead of the sheet of magnets you used.

Michael James Brady the inventor of this "perendev" model did a few years in prison... it's still pretty cool in a workshop, but not in the living room. :)

Wouldn't it run longer if it was horizontal instead of vertical ? you would be reducing a little friction due to gravity pulling down on the bearings

I have thought of using bismuth as a magnetic pusher and steel as a puller. I wonder if you can use this as half of the magnet motor with magnets in or out that push or pull the wheel depending on the material facing the magnetic fields.

Awesome lecture...

What if you had a lever just like on pushing traincarts you maybe you could do some extra energy with the magnets placed at the right place. Maybe a little energy could be spared but not much i think.

I would leave only every sixth magnet on the rotor end. That way there would be much less interference. I doubt it would work, but it would be nice to try something like that and show in a next video.

Is it because this had never occurred to anyone in the past or only recently, have we had very powerful permanent magnets?

Did u try flipping 1 magnet to the opposite of what the setup is? Or a mechanical cam/pushrod to flip and outer magnet at a precise time? Dont think hall sensors, think mechanical..add a flywheel, attach a coil to the flywheel to charge a magnet coil on the other side? Centripetal force sping loaded counter weights as wheel spokes?

Try sterling engine with heat from sunlight or some hybrid like wind plus hydroelectric, thanks for your efforts, kudos 👍.

Can you please tell me the measurements and size of the magnets and the measurements where we put the the magnets I mean all measurements so I can make this

Does it generate electricity when you spin it?

Extremely strong Betteridge's law of headlines with this video.

It’s actually quite satisfying to know that there is a limit to the physical laws. That whatever you do nothing unexpected will happen. When you define ‘this will not actually work’ it is almost as deceiving as stating ‘i think therefore i am’. Which starts with stating ‘I’ as an certainty, therefore giving a flawed logic statement. So by saying ‘this will not actually work’ i hope you are addressing the whole idea of perpetual motion. Not just this machine.

The magnetic coupling of pumps and motors. The magnetic rotational motion direction or motor, must have both , like North pole and south pole., similarly magnetic attraction force as well as magnetic repelling force. It must be connected to a motor which keeps on rotating with the same energy power, generated by the rotating magnetic coupling.

did u investigate de the SEARL motor ?

I'm wondering if you can have longer magnets where the North and South Pole are further apart?

Second one of some description beside it working in tandem? They would push each other lol.

So you have to use the kinetic energy of the rotor to extract some energy that is used to move the magnets to always point them in the correct direction, of course the rotor must have enough mass to store enough inertial energy, don't you think so?

Congratulations !

Try magnetic dampeners directing the magnetic flux

I also want to make a perpetual motion machine, but I don’t know where to put the electric motor

Guess the sound we hear is all resistance? Less sound smoother turn?

Seeing powerful magnets on mythbusters made me think you could build a motor like that.

There was supposed to be an angle of 30 degrees to the tangent to the rotor circumference

You have to couple this to help a wind generator spin more easily even with little wind.

Thank you for try.

How can i get this creative thin..and what will be cost

Ok it's not a perpetual movement machine, but does it spin more or less than without the magnets?

These magnets at their closest appear to be an inch apart, they'd work considerable better if closer, and may be the reason this doesn't work. We also have no way of knowing the polarity of these magnets, I feel it'd likely work better if magnets were repelling one another. I also think if attracting magnets were built into the support structure of the hub, there'd be a pull from the inside of the circle and a push from the outside, that little extra pull could make a big difference, also I's suggest that the wheel has significantly more mass and weight required to hold the magnets than needed. There's also considerable noise from the hub which indicates significant friction, I'd suggest that using a bicycle wheel with proper machining and bearings could make a large difference.

I can give you a project what will work, but i have it only on paper and in my head. But it wil work better then what you have made. I got my idea when I was 15 years old, now I am 55. But i have never seen my in internet.

Can you put this is a greenhouse and see how heat from the sun or greenhouse gases could effect the magnets? I think that would be an interesting experiment.

Time the amount of time the rotor spins without the outer magnets, it will be the longest. It's just a flywheel:)

This guy just solved all of our energy needs!! Anyway, type 1 civilization when??

If inital voltage was provided by pv and hall sensors in combination with an algorithm based current controller to maximize efficiency across all bands of performance

Why didn't you use any Shields to shape the magnetic field? Such has been shown in working models.

Your youtube chanae my favorite & nice i am live in srilanka

Put each of the outer magnets on mini wheels and rotate so it performs the same pushing then gets out of the way and rotates around again and pushes again.

I don't have any background on engineering nor english is my first languege. I believe that to create a funcional lightsaber, regardless of type, you need a way to manipulate the shape and strength of a magnetic field, and a way of create plasma (hot or Cold), and miniaturize everything. the magnetic field would give the shape of the blade and the strength of the field need to be either variable so the energy can interact with the enviroment or need some form of "miracle" point that can secure the energy inside the field and allow the field to disperse for interaction with the enviroment. plasma has many forms there is grape plasma that apears in a microwave oven to atmosferic entry. from easy to hard i believe that cold plasma lightsaber are easier but i have no ideia on how destructive.