Truly a different game in those days. No doubt many commenters will diss Perrie for being no good. BUT - one of the great skills of matchplay is making the opponent do what you want on the day. This day, Mans clearly thought that leaving Higgins a few tempters would work - he reasoned Higgins was unlikely to get them all, leaving a few easy points in the process, then Mans could play safe. It's not elegant, and it's not much fun to watch, but it worked. For a lot of modern snooker viewers, someone like Perrie Mans is an enigma simply based on his stats. "Never made a century, but still beat Reardon, Spencer, Higgins, Thorburn etc. and even won stuff? How?" Well, watch this and now you know why.
@chrisescritt56992 жыл бұрын
Really well put!
@AngrierGorilla2 жыл бұрын
totally agree with you, the only objection I can make, for me this old tough matchplay snooker is actually fun to watch. More than monotonous and never ending break building.
@jonathonjubb66262 жыл бұрын
He was dissed at the time, I remember it well!
@matthewlawrenson36282 жыл бұрын
@@jonathonjubb6626 Oh, Perrie's style of play wouldn't work now. Stephen Hendry changed snooker forever in the mid-80s. Seize upon the first loose red, no matter how difficult. Pot it and rack up enough points to win the frame. It only works if you have both the long-potting and break-building ability, but Hendry had that. As did all of those who followed him The Perrie Mans style of play died around the same time. My theory (for which I have no actual evidence, I admit) is that during the 1986 World Championship, Mans saw Hendry play (they were both 1st round losers that year) and came to the conclusion that (1) this was the future and (2) he was the past. Perrie was still in the Top 32, but he retired and went back home to Jo'burg.
@edmundpower12502 жыл бұрын
@@matthewlawrenson3628 You analyse well Matthew.
@stephendavies85107 ай бұрын
The full table screw back shot against ray reardon in the 1978 world championship final is one of the greatest shots in the history of snooker.
@marcostaiano41712 жыл бұрын
As a 26 years old snooker's lover, I was fascinated from the begininning by the evolution that the game had during the years. I discovered about Perrie Mans after the famous statment "Won the Masters without a 50+ break." When I wanted to know more about this man, I found out that there is basically nothing about him. Discover informations was quite difficult, but in some of the books I purchased in the last year, I realized why he was able to create problems for the other players. Fred Davis, eight time world champion, in his book "Talking Snooker": "I found Perrie an awkward opponent. He is an exceptionally good single ball potter and if there was a ball on, even at a long distance, he invariably knocked it in. His positional play is comparatively weak - which is pheraps as well for the rest of us - but the tactical side of his game was much better than I expected from simply observing him as spectator. In his matches, too, the colours seem to spend more time away from their respective spots than in usual top class snooker and many of the frames tend to develop in a way which suits his style. When the yellow, green and brown are disturbed from their spots it often means that the cue ball has no colour to "hide" behind. As Perrie is such a good long potter, there where many situations in which I felt that it was impossible to leave the cue ball safe." Featured in Jean Rafferty's "The Cruel Game": "Perrie Mans, the man Steve Davis once said was the only player who could destroy him because he could play the way he does and know what he's doing. [...] Perrie treats snooker as a game, a dangerous attitude for a professional player. He's got a couple of car, a couple of houses and his life is much easier than it used to be, when he was working as well playing snooker. "You enjoy it. If you get beat you take it like a man. Crying and complaining are not going to help. You make enemies and people will say: "What a bloody bad loser he is." Wheter you win or lose to me it's only a game." I'd still love to talk with Perrie and understand more of his personal way of considering snooker, I think a book about him will be fascinating. I do understand people that probably will not appreciate his style, especially because of the modern standard. But still, the South African did something special on the baize. Thank you mjt_snooker, hope to see more Perrie's footages!
@JohnSmith-su3ze2 жыл бұрын
Loved reading this. We need to know more about Perrie
@matthewlawrenson36282 жыл бұрын
It baffled me too for many years about the lack of Perrie Mans on KZfaq snooker videos. I mean, he played in plenty of tournaments from 1976-85 , so the cameras would have been there at Sheffield, Wembley, Preston etc. But then I thought - consider the TV setup back then. As I recall (and I watched a live televised match at the Preston Guild Hall in 1984), they had a seperation wall between two matches in a live arena. I'm sure they both had cameras and direction and commentary and everything. But, if one match is Alex Higgins v Kirk Stevens and the other Eddie Charlton v Perrie Mans - what's more likely to end up on the TV feed and 9pm highlights with David Vine? They did want people to tune in for entertainment, after all. I'm not saying Perrie Mans has been erased from history, but you'll find a lot more videos here of the "flashy" players from the late 70s/early 80s simply because the TV programmers put them on and the people at home recorded them on VHS.
@marcostaiano41712 жыл бұрын
@@matthewlawrenson3628 That makes absolutely sense, but I'm sure there is still more that maybe was saved! I'd love to see Perrie in action vs Steve Davis at the 1981 Masters! I know that break building and great characters were both something particulary exciting for snooker's public (especially in those days). But from what I saw, Perrie was an amazing single ball potter and I'm sure that you could make a fantastich highlight reel!
@blueskye2912 Жыл бұрын
A bit late to reply, but my snooker coach was coached by Pierre Mans, and Peter Francisco. If you want to know more about them, the guys you want to get in contact with is the Halliday brothers.
@Treviscoe8 ай бұрын
@@blueskye2912 Hi there, I remember Peter's brother Silvino, he was a good player in his day; is he still playing? The last I heard, he'd retired and was working in a fish and chip shop instead.
@sah3173.2 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Just a pity about the constant snooker interruptions during the world coughing championships.
@edmundpower12502 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@bottlecap572 жыл бұрын
Lungs 90% tobacco in those days😛
@stevenedwards12982 жыл бұрын
Well it was the Benson & Hedges masters
@jellyboy1235 ай бұрын
most smoked
@davidelcox97623 ай бұрын
Covid
@Eziballbilliard2 жыл бұрын
Pierre mans played me in a local league match...what an honor...my highest break at that time was 64... Pierre mans made an amazing 134 in his last frame against my friend... one of those times when it inspires a person to practice more. Everytime I played the nationals he would show up and watch the players compete... always fun to see these old masters in action.
@andrewbalgobin79152 жыл бұрын
Doubtful in the extreme as Mans never made a professional century break
@Eziballbilliard2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewbalgobin7915...Well your doubt is definitely wrong...if you think that someone could reach the world final and also the pot black, has never made a century before, that will be a weird assumption to make, considering all those people he beat along the way. Agreed that he wasn't the best break builder, but he could definitely make centuries. And that memory I have of him making that century, is one of the reasons I still play snooker till today, I was only 16 years old at the time...he was already retired.
@dannyq29 Жыл бұрын
In his entire professional tournament career he only made 38 breaks over 50. And despite making 2 world finals and reaching No.2 in the world, his highest ever break in tournament play, was 85
@jacky_14792 жыл бұрын
Gonna watch this fully later. Thanks for posting 👏
@matthewlawrenson362811 ай бұрын
RIP Perrie Mans - he's pushing the baulk colours against the cushions in heaven now...
@darrenmcgowan39322 жыл бұрын
A great watch and great vid. Never see that before. Alex could not get going.
@terrydonegan16222 ай бұрын
Wonderful. What a lovely gentleman Perrie Mans appears. Alex is pleasant form also
@Fogon592 жыл бұрын
It's snooker Jim, but not as we know it.
@waynejackel29212 жыл бұрын
Hello mjt Big Thankyou for all your Snooker Uploads and Videos in 2021 Much Appreciated. Have a Healthy and a Happy New Year . Wayne.
@mjt_snooker17042 жыл бұрын
thanks wayne, HNY to you
@leebeardshall28882 жыл бұрын
@@mjt_snooker1704 hi mjt happy new year to you. Can you upload 1990 world championship final please if you got it much appreciated.
@neilfitzgerald7122 жыл бұрын
@@mjt_snooker1704 BBC2 WORLD SNOOKER WITH STEVE DAVIS FOR MR NEIL FITZGERALD PLEASE
@neilfitzgerald7122 жыл бұрын
@@mjt_snooker1704 ITV LADA CLASSIC WITH STEVE DAVIS JAMESON WITH STEVE DAVIS FOR MR NEIL FITZGERALD PLEASE
@ianwatkins620210 ай бұрын
Well done Perrie!😊 RIP Perrie😊
@paulfuray85572 жыл бұрын
Lovin’ Perry mans waistcoat. 👍🏻
@lingolarker93182 жыл бұрын
Loved the Hurricane at t’end there😆
@arnie86042 жыл бұрын
mjt snooker .... u find some nuggets out there and this video is just another example from your excellent channel.
@parkerbohnn2 жыл бұрын
Shows someone on their best day can beat someone on their worst day.
@heliumtrophy2 жыл бұрын
Not the prettiest way to win but it's still a win. If it was a game beetween him and Eddie Charlton, I think I'd might want to rethink a few things.
@JW-th4nn Жыл бұрын
30:23 "Bloody Hell" 🤣🤣🤣
@stevenedwards12982 жыл бұрын
11.46 Cracking twitch there by Alex
@jonathonjubb66262 жыл бұрын
Only two centuries in the entire comp. Must have been those tight pockets!
@samtaurus0072 жыл бұрын
Naaaah, players were just crap in those days compared to the high standard of nowadays. :)
@gordonmathers56652 жыл бұрын
Nah, it was the pressure. A pound a point for the highest break
@marcojoserevilla7600 Жыл бұрын
South Africa 🇿🇦 The only time a player from the Rainbow Nation has ever won a Triple Crown event
@ocn14s2 жыл бұрын
Alex had a very good sense of humour when he was in a good mood , and ,could also accept defeat with good grace - I suppose it depended on what side he got out of the bed on as the saying goes
@jahno7154 Жыл бұрын
He was on the Wagon
@Charlie_CrownАй бұрын
@@jahno7154 he definitely wasn't on the wagon here, unless he'd just fallen off it for the final 🤣🤣🤣
@jozefserf2024 Жыл бұрын
Super crystalate balls, different pockets and faster/thinner cloth all changed the game and the way it was played.
@user-rd8fw3es8g Жыл бұрын
I love oom Pierre,i met him true his son Kobus.I don't care you what between the two of them I became a better pool player I never saw oom Pierre play snoeker or pool,him and his son had a club called Cascade's and I was privileged too play league their.Thanks Oom and Kobus.Oom Pierre you are a ligend and Kobus always kept his dad's name high.
@stevenedwards1298 Жыл бұрын
Dig the arty subdued lighting during the post match interviews
@MegaChabrol Жыл бұрын
'And £50 for every century made-there has however only been 1 other made during the tournament'-snooker is ridiculously hard and the players in those days certainly made you aware of that
@rayjacques88502 жыл бұрын
Man's highest break in the final frame was 16 .. unusual even in those days
@harry2.012 жыл бұрын
His biggest break all tournament was 48.Players never broke a pack really until Hendry used the strategy.
@rayjacques88502 жыл бұрын
@road of snooker finals I suppose standards rise in most sports over time, it was always captivating in the early eighties as the game became a national obsession
@JohnSmith-su3ze2 жыл бұрын
@@harry2.01 Players always broke the pack. What are you talking about?!?!??
@matthewlawrenson36282 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-su3ze They did. But back in the 1970s and early 1980s, the cloths on the table had a thicker pile of them. Imagine a ball rolling on, say, a tea towel compared to a carpet. The ball will slow down faster on the carpet no matter how fast it's rolling because it has to push more stuff out of the way. Players back then went into the pack, yes, but because the balls didn't split as well they often had to do it several times to knock reds out to keep the break going. Even now, pack shots are luck dependent to some degree, and it wouldn't take much to run out of position if a player had to do it several times. More than one player blamed thinner cloths for ruining their careers in the late 80s, Tony Knowles for one.
@johnmc3862 Жыл бұрын
16 Unusual!! How bad do you think they were! Mans was very poor at high breaks. Plenty of others weren't such as Reardon and Spencer in those days. 3 years later Higgins got a 135 break in the final frame of his WC win.
@lakmeister2 жыл бұрын
Alex Higgins chucked it really.....2 up....lose next 7??? Sometimes he doesn't turn up....seen it many times!!!! Perrie was capable and did also beat Steve Davis here once!!!!
@sidneygreen9120 Жыл бұрын
Alex was alright 👍,just liked a drink ,gambling and a smoke 🚬 ,top bloke 👍
@paulbanks2232 жыл бұрын
Not Alex's finest moment by a long way, there were glimpses but nothing either substantial or consistent. Over all it was little better than a club game if as good. We all know he was far better but we all have bad days. Mans I always liked, not a great player especially by later standards but an assuming gentleman style not unlike Ray Reardon but not as many grins. and it was good to see him win a tournament. Was nice to see Alex losing with good grace too.
@Charlie_CrownАй бұрын
Higgins absolutely drunk as F here, didn't even bother with orange in the vodka, just straight up 🤣🤣🤣
@glynknox40892 жыл бұрын
Different game on those heavy clothes. Reminds me of my amateur days hitting the ball hard with little effect.
@alclark102 жыл бұрын
Probably the very match that showed up Alex Higgins inconsistency
@JohnSmith-su3ze2 жыл бұрын
Alex lost 7 frames in a row because he was on a bender before the session
@rogeryou53992 жыл бұрын
Nice to see a bit of a laugh and a joke at the start
@mikekavalerchik52262 жыл бұрын
To all sbooker players of all levels. Learn how to grind and win even on the days that you are not playing well
@davidbrooks13414 ай бұрын
Think Alex had been on the Vodka?
@livemusicalgarve2 жыл бұрын
How much coughing in the audience. They wait until the shot, then cough in between..
@carlh429 Жыл бұрын
Perrie Mans…phenomenal long potter but often let down by his positional play which could be seriously dodgy on occasions.
@Oliias2 жыл бұрын
How loud is the referee.
@johnmc3862 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's John Smyth. He was on the verg of shouting.
@a.tanner8524 Жыл бұрын
The real winner of this final was Alex Higgins. He probably ended up in bed with the Benson and Hedges girls. 😂
@philbartlett830811 күн бұрын
friendly game back then, chances galore, today's clinical players would destroy them and as a reasonable standard club player I would have taken frames off them, don't think I could snatch a frame off today's players.
@ravivarman202011 ай бұрын
Jenni Hermoso in reverse 33:21 😂
@ianwilliamson29802 жыл бұрын
perrie should not really have won much as he made low breaks .alex must have been out of sorts to lose this.mabey on the drink too much by look of him.
@JohnSmith-su3ze2 жыл бұрын
Perrie Mans highest ever break was 7!
@petergreen53372 жыл бұрын
Being c
@ianwilliamson29802 жыл бұрын
Man's Was a great single ball potter but poor on breaks .reached a world final once lost to reardon.
@cutlerlon84682 жыл бұрын
Neither of them would even win a qualifier these days. The game is on a different sphere now. The modern top 16 players could comfortably give these two a 40 start.
@ianwilliamson29802 жыл бұрын
@@cutlerlon8468 don't agree higgins beat hendry once remember.and hendry was best of all or one of three best ever
@ianwilliamson29802 жыл бұрын
@road of snooker finals yeah indeed .bit of miracle really .
@cutlerlon84682 жыл бұрын
@@ianwilliamson2980 Hendry can't survive in the modern era either. The game has evolved massively.
@edmundpower12502 жыл бұрын
@@cutlerlon8468 ah now stop
@andrewbalgobin79152 жыл бұрын
What an absolute disgrace this frame was. Total embarrassment
@jamespalmer9802 жыл бұрын
I think I’d have been the snooker world champion in the 70s and my highest break (with luck) is about 28!
@cutlerlon84682 жыл бұрын
The game has evolved so much; these two wouldn't even get through a 1st round qualifying match these days. But both great characters of the sport and the foundations of Snookers wonderful history.
@matthewlawrenson36282 жыл бұрын
Higgins was one of the top 5 talents to play snooker. Perrie....not so much. He knew how to get the job done, and that was to basically ruin the game of anyone he played. Looking at this frame, either Alex had a heavy night (not unknown) or he was at his wits' end playing Perrie Mans (not unknown either).
@damienspurs1472 жыл бұрын
Why so serious ?
@Mark64W2 жыл бұрын
Very well said .
@JohnSmith-su3ze2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewlawrenson3628 Both lol
@mickb442 жыл бұрын
lol you know nothing about higgins if you think that
@darrenstorey76082 жыл бұрын
Shocking standard good club player would beat them
@johnmc3862 Жыл бұрын
They both played poor in this for sure. Alex was prob just off a bender and Mans was a very poor break builder. There was very few professionals then.
@danielwang7793 Жыл бұрын
Whenever I want to know how good a player is I just ask a comment section keyboard warrior, they know it all.
@jonathonjubb66262 жыл бұрын
It's unwatchable. Don't forget Higgins was on at least one class A drug, probably two or more....
@jamesadcock52352 жыл бұрын
Regular coke snorter I would say
@sean8186Ай бұрын
The coughing. The fucking coughing. Sound like a tuberculosis clinic.
@straighttalkingguy73662 жыл бұрын
Boy was this slow ,don't think l could watch a world championship match if it was this slow
@parksyist2 жыл бұрын
Anyone could have done Ted Lowes job
@JohnSmith-su3ze2 жыл бұрын
Nonsense, Ted was utterly unique and a joy to listen to
@ianwilliamson29802 жыл бұрын
na ted was a legend.great sense of humour.unlike most on it now.
@johnmc3862 Жыл бұрын
He was very overrated. He had the voice but didn't know the game too well.
@chrisbland694210 ай бұрын
Great voice but he really didn’t know much about the technical side of the game and talked in silly riddles, pretty much just stating the obvious like: “a safety shot there from the South African champion”…
@juv72 жыл бұрын
Nice guy but worse winner ever
@Mark64W2 жыл бұрын
Very true . We can't take it away from him , but I wouldn't have paid money to watch this match .
@user-ov8rf6jq8m7 ай бұрын
Alex Higgins. Probably the worst cue action in the history of snooker.
@christiano80882 жыл бұрын
Any club player of today could have beaten either of these 2. Such poor playing conditions but such a low standard. When Masters finals didn't mean a thing.
@paulr68812 жыл бұрын
Lol what club do you go to?In my club your lucky to knock in a break over 15.
@AngrierGorilla2 жыл бұрын
sport's standards are constantly going up (every single sport), you just discovered hot water.
@Billiards19632 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen too many club players screw the ball the length of the table like Perrie did. Older thicker cloths, no heaters underneath, perhaps not even ironed. Different to today's tournament tables.
@Mark64W2 жыл бұрын
@@Billiards1963 Hmm . Perhaps that is a fair point why standards are so higher these days .
@donsimon28302 жыл бұрын
@@paulr6881 , so was Mans.
@ianwilliamson29802 жыл бұрын
Higgins very ungracious at end interview
@edmundpower12502 жыл бұрын
I thought he was fine
@JohnSmith-su3ze2 жыл бұрын
Nonsense, he was good natured and absolutely hilarious
@ianwilliamson29802 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-su3ze yeah right .very manerly as usual.
@alanfizzypop9607 Жыл бұрын
Both lads could play when potting balls but what you see is safety not great compaired to todays game sport as all things moves on